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Has anyone else here been through this?  My last dose was last Tuesday (July 6).  I didn't connect my aches and "unpleasant" attitude to the removal of the Paxil, until last night.  I think it started on Friday.  I was so irritated by something little that happened at work.  I was angry all day about it!

Isn't it strange how you can go into an experience knowing what to expect, but then when the expected happens you fail to connect it to what you already knew until after it's over?  Is that just a mind/body disconnected B thing???

So maybe all the frustration with foods lately haven't been about food at all.  Hmm.
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My last dose was last Tuesday (July 6).  I didn't connect my aches and "unpleasant" attitude to the removal of the Paxil, until last night.  I think it started on Friday.  I was so irritated by something little that happened at work.  I was angry all day about it!

Isn't it strange how you can go into an experience knowing what to expect, but then when the expected happens you fail to connect it to what you already knew until after it's over?


I don't have any personal experience with this medication but I would think that if it a drug that takes a certain length of time to 'tune in' (say a few weeks or whatever) it will take at least that amount of time to be 'tuned out". The body is stressed as it is forced to reorganize without the regular presence of the medication. What you expect and what happens are likely to be two different things, like it or not.

From what I have heard of Paxil if you are doing this cold turkey you are doing very, very well. Credit to your foods possibly?            Good luck.





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It's not quite cold turkey.  I was only taking 10 mg per day, and I cut back to every other day for a week before stopping.  I'm sure the diet has a lot to do with it!
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PM Golfzilla...he was taking Paxil.  Maybe he knows.  I hope you can work through it.  
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I just did a search (which I should have done first) and found his threads about it.  Thanks for the prompt Lori!
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TJ,

I have taken Paxil. Your withdraw symptoms are 100% normal.
Many people (including me) experienced 'electric zaps' as a withdraw syptom, as well.


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I never took paxil but I got off of lexapro, zoloft, celexa, imiprimine, zyprexa, chlonazapan, xanax, and lithium. I wasn't taking them all at the same time but I weaned myself off all drugs in 2007. Whenever I would get a withdrawal symptom like an electric shock in my spine or head...I would eat a beneficial protein or fruit like walnuts, sardines, figs, grapefruit, almonds, dark meat turkey, yogurt, etc. I ate a lot the first few days because I got bad withdrawal symptoms at first. I eventually weaned myself off in a few weeks and I never looked back.
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I am currently weaning myself off of citalopram but I am doing it very slowly. I have been doing every other day for about a month and now I am down to every third day. I plan to be off it completely when I run out of this prescription (at this rate, it will probably be another month or so).



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Skeptic, I read about the "zaps".  Fortunately I haven't had to deal with that so far!  Mostly it's been the flu-like symptoms and moodiness.

Sharon, that's quite a list.  Good for you!

Peg, hope you can avoid those withdrawal symptoms by weaning off that stuff.

ps: I wish I could find one of those weight tickers that would count up instead of down.
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I think I'm going to get through this withdrawal without a lot of trouble.  No zaps or other seriously disturbing symptoms so far.  Just tired and cranky and mood swings.  Maybe it will be over soon!  Then I can move on to the Lamictal.
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I was angry all day about it!



Wow, that's a long time for a B to be mad.


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For real.
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I think I'm going to get through this withdrawal without a lot of trouble.  No zaps or other seriously disturbing symptoms so far.  Just tired and cranky and mood swings.  Maybe it will be over soon!  Then I can move on to the Lamictal.

What is Lamictal and is it necessary?  
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Lamictal is (for me) for "bipolar disorder".  That's what my therapist and doctors call it.  I think it's more accurate to say, "I'm really tired and hurting most of the time, and that is depressing and makes it hard to get anything done, but when I perk up, I take advantage of the reprieve and overdo it, which is sort of like hypomania."  It doesn't quite roll off the tongue like "bipolar disorder".

My problems started with chronic fatigue.  It was just too easy to label me as "depressed", and few doctors would have known how to properly treat me anyway.  Depression came along later as I got more and more frustrated with my inability to live like I wanted to (a "normal" life).  Over the years, the underlying problems have gotten worse and and so has the depression, adding to it anxiety.

Fortunately, I no longer feel tired or in pain most the time, so I don't feel a need to run myself into the ground "catching up" when I do feel well.
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I think... I HOPE... I'm through it.  Saturday was kind of rough, but as long as I get out of the house and socialize a little, I'm good!  I see my Dr. Thursday 7/29, and Lamictal will be going on the chopping block then!
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You're showing determination and inner strength.  Good for you, TJ!  



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You might find this book interesting: The Edge Effect.  All about different neurotransmitters and how we each have a dominant nature.  Includes foods, supplements, drugs, lifestyle, etc to address each type.  And how neurotransmitters affect more than just your brain!


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tj,
Hang in there, I know how you must feel.  I too was labeled as depressed by a couple Dr's because feeling crappy takes the living out of life.  It's almost like you don't give a s*@t anymore & it changes you.  You are definitely on the right path, I no longer have to see those frustrating doctors.  Alot of people go thru that mill everyday & some of the lucky ones make it here.  It is our job to let more people know that there is a way out.

Last Sunday my neighbor told me her story on her Drs, high cholesterol, allergic reactions to meds, fibromyalgia, arthritis, etc.  I gave her the basic BTD spiel & she asked me if this is why I look so good.  The seed has been planted.

If golfzilla wasn't golfing he could fill you in on his journey away from paxil, prilosec & other meds.  He should be around soon.
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I'm cheering for you TJ.  I hope you are free of all these things and feeling better soon.

I've tried a few of those goodies and all of them made me worse than I was without them...down right suicidal.  I've noticed that my depression has been popping up more lately.  I sort of worried about it then I thought of dear Sharon and her sardines.  It occured to me I hadn't had any in 10 days and the rest of my routine is off too!  A few other things that have helped have slipped from my diet because we've been out so much.  Well...guess what I ate for dinner?!  It is amazing what you DO eat can do for you in a positive way.
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I was on so many meds at one point, I'm not even sure if Paxil was one of them or not. I know I was on Prozac the longest (it worked the best for me, with the fewest side effects) but at one point I was on 4 meds simultaneuosly (4 psych meds and one med to control the side effects.) I'm not even sure which meds I was on, except that I had horrible withdrawal when I weaned off one of them (that might have been Paxil, but it was about 10 years ago and I was overly drugged at the time so my memory is shaky) and one of them was lithium (that I eventually took myself off of because I was without insurance and the doctor at the clinic was too timid to take me off of it.)

I never had bipolar disorder, even though I was medicated for it. I had clinical depression, and I can't for the life of me figure out what it was that made the dr think I was bipolar (bipolar without ever having a manic episode?)


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I have wondered many times what the doctor was thinking....

I'm off work today, and have had very little socializing, and I'm still feeling emotionally balanced and well.  I think it's safe now to say the Paxil withdrawal is OVER!
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Glad to hear it TJ!!

How many meds are you now taking on a daily basis?


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Bipolar is a spectrum, some people don't ever go to the manic side.
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Just taking one, Lamictal.

I think that whoever designed this pill shape was also on drugs.  This thing is hard to swallow.

btw, happy birthday Jayneeo!
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  Hey, glad to hear you're over the withdrawal.  I have a feeling that now you've experienced it & you know it's possible this next one will be easier. You know there is light @ the end of the tunnel.  Sometimes not knowing is the worse & makes you doubt your decisions.
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Congrats on your progress TJ!  
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Ok, here begins a new subheading in the thread:

Lamictal Withdrawal

Last night I started on half a pill (50 mg).

Today I've been kind of achey and not quite as energetic, a bit defensive, and when I got home from work I felt very tired and "heavy", and took a serious nap.  All of which may be due to
    1) reduced Lamictal dose;
    2) taking a chance with my corn-poisoned vitamin C and multivitamin supplements over the last four days;
    3) working out yesterday ("treadwall", back extensions, and inclined sit-ups);
    4) something else I'm unaware of; or
    5) some combination of these!

I'm favoring #5 myself.
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Goodness.


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I'm favoring #5 myself.

These things rarely happen in a vacuum...  What would possess you to take corn poisoned supplements?  For as reactive as I am to corn anything, I stay as far away as possible from it.


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You can get non-corn vitamin C sources, such as Tru C, by NOW.  It is from Amla berries.  200 mg/capsule



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What would possess you to take corn poisoned supplements?
Lack of anything else at hand, plus ignorance of the extent of my corn sensitivity.  I don't think it's as bad as gluten, but I could be wrong.

I'm doing my research for better replacements.  Vitamin Shoppe has a gluten- and corn-free vitamin C and milk thistle.  I was waiting to see if GNC would suggest some offerings (including a multi) but I might just splurge on the Exacta or Polyvite B instead.

Thanks for the reference Victoria.  I didn't know about that source.  They look promising!
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I think... I HOPE... I'm through it.  Saturday was kind of rough, but as long as I get out of the house and socialize a little, I'm good!  I see my Dr. Thursday 7/29, and Lamictal will be going on the chopping block then!


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Ok, here begins a new subheading in the thread:

Lamictal Withdrawal

Last night I started on half a pill (50 mg).
What made you decide to cut out the Lamictal now, instead of waiting until after your dr visit next Thursday?


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What made you decide to cut out the Lamictal now, instead of waiting until after your dr visit next Thursday?
Impatience.  When I see my Dr., I'm not going to ask her permission to quit.  I'm going to tell her that I'm quitting, and can you please tell me the best way to go about doing that?  I know the first step is reducing the dosage, so I'm just getting a head start.
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I take camu-camu powder for C.


I love the Camu powder too.  But the only one I can find out here is cut with Maltodextrin.



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TJ,

Congrats on getting off the Paxil! I took Paxil and Buspar for about a year in high school, convinced I had "social anxiety" ...but who doesn't sometimes? I weened myself off because it made me hungry and tired and totally killed my libido. I cut my dosage in half for a couple of weeks and never went back to the psychiatrist. Once I missed two days between prescriptions and felt like total c**p - fatigued, achy, irritable, and not happy.

My next self-diagnosis was ADD for which I took Adderall, and more recently Vyvanse, which I no longer take as well.

This was long before I discovered the BTD, and now food is my medicine. Much more effective  . Check out the book "Gut and Psychology Syndrome." Very informative.


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Impatience.  When I see my Dr., I'm not going to ask her permission to quit.  I'm going to tell her that I'm quitting, and can you please tell me the best way to go about doing that?  I know the first step is reducing the dosage, so I'm just getting a head start.

I like your proactive approach here TJ.  Chances are she will try to discourage you from quitting.  This way you've got an advantage and can resist the persuasion to continue its use.  
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I weened myself off because it made me hungry and tired and totally killed my libido. I cut my dosage in half for a couple of weeks and never went back to the psychiatrist. Once I missed two days between prescriptions and felt like total c**p - fatigued, achy, irritable, and not happy.

My next self-diagnosis was ADD for which I took Adderall, and more recently Vyvanse, which I no longer take as well.
de_nogent, I like hearing things like this.  Good for you!  Food has been a much better medicine for me, too.  It really stinks that I was in such a stressful, unhealthy situation that I had to rely on drugs to get me through it, but that's behind me now.  I definitely got/get more irritable, but I'm also more assertive now, which I need.  I seem to remember a long time ago that I was more assertive, not just on the internet either!   I remember in a psychology class that the prof defined "libido" as not just sex drive, but any kind of drive to activity, motivation.  It's good to feel more motivated, even if sometimes I just feel more motivated to break something!!!
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Definitely Rob, she will try.  Reading the ingredients and seeing potential sources of gluten/corn is just more fuel in the fire.
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...It really stinks that I was in such a stressful, unhealthy situation that I had to rely on drugs to get me through it, but that's behind me now.

You got it.  It's behind you and there's no reason to beat yourself up over it.  It helped you through a rough era in your life and now that food is healing you you're able to move forward.  
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My appointment on Thursday conflicted with my new work schedule, so I've had to move it to Wednesday of next week.

The Lamictal withdrawal hasn't been as pronounced as the Paxil, but it's still here.  It's more "blah" and less "angry"!  It seems like I don't feel the withdrawal kick in until the day after the day after I first take the reduced dose (i.e. begin lower dose on Wednesday, feel fine Thursday but yucky on Friday).  With that in mind, I'm going to make my next cut Thursday night; that way, my "yucky" falls on Saturday when I'm not at work.
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Sounds like a good plan to me TJ.


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With that in mind, I'm going to make my next cut Thursday night; that way, my "yucky" falls on Saturday when I'm not at work.


  I know how frustrating it is to try to "time" your yucky day.

It's not your lucky day, it's your yucky day!  Get ready for it!  


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Hang in there and keep sharing your thoughts. I need a lot more sleep than the average person. So does every B that I know. Not getting enough sleep can lead to irritation.
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I need a lot more sleep than the average person. So does every B that I know. Not getting enough sleep can lead to irritation.
My B brother runs on 6 hours a night, and he's as cool as you please... /jealous
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I'm an O and I need about 9 hours of sleep a night. I'm not sure if blood type is an indicator of how much sleep a person needs. I think that somebody whose body is busy detoxing/healing, or whose body is overwhelmed with toxins or lectins and can't even begin healing yet, would need more sleep than a "healthy" person.


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I'm pretty sure that Paxil withdrawal killed my grandmother.  She was either a Teacher or A-type Explorer.  At 86, she had a perfect memory, lived by herself, in Chicago.  Was active, engaged with a solid circle of friends and family.

She developed bronchitis that came and went fairly regularly.  It was after a bout of it that they discovered she had a weak/small heart (from childhood), but PERFECTLY CLEAR ARTERIES.  At 86!

A particularly nasty bout ended her up in the hospital.  The hospital put her on diuretics (to keep fluid out of the lungs to help her heart), something to help her heart not have to work as hard (maybe nitroglycerin, I'm not sure), some other minor stuff, and Paxil because they thought she was anxious?  Well, yeah, she was anxious, but come on!  This is a woman who was never really on anything except for the occasional antibiotic and vitamins, and tylenol for arthritis.  She got upset about having to take all of the drugs and quit them all, cold turkey.

After that, she was very sick.  She wouldn't eat at all and my normally very vibrant grandmother basically starved herself to death because she felt horrible.  Isn't that bizarre?  It still makes me mad.  


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I think that somebody whose body is busy detoxing/healing, or whose body is overwhelmed with toxins or lectins and can't even begin healing yet, would need more sleep than a "healthy" person.

I agree!  I can tell a difference when I am detoxing heavily or lightly...


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Hey TJ, I had no idea Haven't been around for long enough... Hope you are feeling better now? Too bad about having to change your appointment... One thing about "rescheduling" your yucky day to a Saturday Are you around ppl on the weekend?
Sometimes, (though not always) the distraction of work can help when you are feeling low, especially if it means you are around ppl...but I can't recall what you do so that might not apply


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I'm pretty sure that Paxil withdrawal killed my grandmother.  She was either a Teacher or A-type Explorer.  At 86, she had a perfect memory, lived by herself, in Chicago.  Was active, engaged with a solid circle of friends and family.

She developed bronchitis that came and went fairly regularly.  It was after a bout of it that they discovered she had a weak/small heart (from childhood), but PERFECTLY CLEAR ARTERIES.  At 86!

A particularly nasty bout ended her up in the hospital.  The hospital put her on diuretics (to keep fluid out of the lungs to help her heart), something to help her heart not have to work as hard (maybe nitroglycerin, I'm not sure), some other minor stuff, and Paxil because they thought she was anxious?  Well, yeah, she was anxious, but come on!  This is a woman who was never really on anything except for the occasional antibiotic and vitamins, and tylenol for arthritis.  She got upset about having to take all of the drugs and quit them all, cold turkey.

After that, she was very sick.  She wouldn't eat at all and my normally very vibrant grandmother basically starved herself to death because she felt horrible.  Isn't that bizarre?  It still makes me mad.  
Oh that is sooo sad

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mispudding- I'm so sorry to hear about your grandmother.


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depression can be caused by the heart med. my mother spent 10yr sitting on the sofa, like a zombe. After 10yrs they change it. She became her old self almost overnight. We all thought it was because of her bad heart. 10yrs. She traveled to see he family took grandkids to sites. I'm very anti-med. but be careful when going off stuff just incase you come down hard. Don't be alone over the weekend if that's your bad day.


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Luckily, it's not like she was a teenager or someone fairly young.  She was 86 and had lived a full life.  She outlived two husbands.  

She was a great lady, though.  I still hope that I'm as mentally "there" and independent as she was at 86.


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Possum, I work in a factory on my feet.  When I cut the dose I will likely hurt all over and be very tired and sleepy.  Being at work would just compound the problem for me.  Deb, I'll probably be alone a fair amount but it won't be a problem.  Tonight I make the next cut!
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I went down to 25 mg of Lamictal starting Thursday night.  To my surprise, the "yucky" day never came.  So I'm just going to skip it tonight and tomorrow (and onward) unless I feel a need to go back to it for a little longer.  Wish me luck y'all!
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Great  TJ!!!!


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Here good wishes for you and all the encouragement for good coming your way.


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This last week has been rough.  Icky.  I don't know how much is due to Lamictal w/d and how much from the other detox stuff going on--malic acid and glutathione supplementation and eating onions and other sulfury veggies again.  I'm going to lay off the supps for a couple days to see what happens.  Maybe the onions, too.
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I'm sorry you're feeling icky TJ. It probably has something to do with the medicine withdrawals, and it should clear up on its own in a few days. Taking extra care to "eat clean" right now is probably a good idea.


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TJ,
In spite of feeling icky, it is good to remember that you are doing good things for the body...  As you reduce the pharma intake, the body will put more energy into detox and healing.  It isn't fun, but it is good for your long-term health.  Reevaluate as necessary and keep healing...


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Yeah....what Joe said.


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Haha, well I think taking the malic acid in the evening wasn't helping.
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what's about the use of l'tryptophane or eating more dark turkey meat....augemnt the B-complex and magnesium as well, methionine is fine too . What are your symptoms right now Wish you all the best half of mine ....

Btw.... I do have a lot of clients coming off from SSRI's here I know what to say but about be-polar dis. I'm not that sure I don't want to send you int a form of manniac phase... so I guess calming things suite more then anything else ....Have you ever given a try to camomile or even better verveine tea and or l'theanine in capsules.....

Deep relaxations and or perhaps you might want to give a try to hypnotherapy !
I heared this is one of the upcoming therapy forms with excellent results in all kinds of psyche problems.... why not.....


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I'm doing good today, after no onions, glutathione, or milk thistle yesterday (or today).  I think it would be pointless to worry further about whether or not I'm still in withdrawal from Lamictal until other conflicting issues are out of the way.  More on the "what kind of sulfur is a problem?" thread.
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Ok, after a very miserable day yesterday, I had enough and started back on the Lamictal.  I took 50mg (half a pill) after work.  I've still been physically miserable today, but mentally I'm coping with it better.

It's another case of too much, too soon.  I have got to get the detox and whatever other sources of suffering under control been I can lay down this crutch.
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Ah, I replied to the first page of the thread before reading the second page... I think you're making a good call to go back on a half dose.  It's ok if it takes a while to get off everything, or even longer.  You're making progress, but slow and steady wins the race.  Bipolar can be hard to adapt to and make adjustments to, it takes time so give yourself time and do things very gradually.  Sudden changes, or even changes of seasons that take months in my case, can be hard to cope with, and it took me a few years of experience and experimentation to find balance...and I'm a lucky one in that my swings can be plotted on a calendar.  Of course, then a stress comes along, and it's like starting over from scratch to rebalance myself.

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Cheering for you, and glad the withdrawal is over.  I had more trouble from paxil than it was worth, and felt better going off it cold turkey... the doctor gave it to me because I was tired, and it only made me more tired!  It's better to be depressed and awake than sleeping all day long...I don't even think I was depressed, the doctors just hadn't yet realized my thyroid was pooped out.

I did well with Wellbutrin, though it had some funky side effects.  I have bipolar seasonal affective disorder, but didn't realize it was bipolar until I got my head out of the depressed phase long enough to notice the hypomania.  By the time I'd diagnosed myself I was on BTD and haven't needed meds since then, as long as I get my exercise and have a fair compliance level.


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I'm pretty sure that Paxil withdrawal killed my grandmother.  She was either a Teacher or A-type Explorer.  At 86, she had a perfect memory, lived by herself, in Chicago.  Was active, engaged with a solid circle of friends and family.

She developed bronchitis that came and went fairly regularly.  It was after a bout of it that they discovered she had a weak/small heart (from childhood), but PERFECTLY CLEAR ARTERIES.  At 86!

A particularly nasty bout ended her up in the hospital.  The hospital put her on diuretics (to keep fluid out of the lungs to help her heart), something to help her heart not have to work as hard (maybe nitroglycerin, I'm not sure), some other minor stuff, and Paxil because they thought she was anxious?  Well, yeah, she was anxious, but come on!  This is a woman who was never really on anything except for the occasional antibiotic and vitamins, and tylenol for arthritis.  She got upset about having to take all of the drugs and quit them all, cold turkey.

After that, she was very sick.  She wouldn't eat at all and my normally very vibrant grandmother basically starved herself to death because she felt horrible.  Isn't that bizarre?  It still makes me mad.  

That is so sad.
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Man, yesterday was both good and horrible.

I have basically been in pain for like 2-3 weeks, and it was becoming mentally and emotionally overwhelming.  After taking the Lamictal on Monday, I still felt the same pain I've been feeling (I think from detox--more on that later/elsewhere?), but it didn't "get to me" so badly.  I was actually able to drag myself to the gym and work up a sweat like a good Explorer should.  That made it even worse in the short run.  I had a terrible headache by the time I went to bed last night, but I slept ok, and today I'm better.  I don't know if I can even rightfully judge if I'm feeling "good" today, but at least I'm not feeling bad.

About Paxil

From the prescribing information (http://www.healthyplace.com/ot.....cribing-information/):
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The metabolism of paroxetine [Paxil] is accomplished in part by CYP2D6. Saturation of this enzyme at clinical doses....
CYP2D6 is a big player in detoxifying xenobiotics.  If it becomes saturated by Paxil, it can't work on other xenobiotics effectively.  I suspect a lot of my pain has come from a sudden increase in detox activity.  Add to that how Lamictal accumulates in the kidneys, slowing down the removal of metabolized toxins from the blood...you get the picture.

Going Forward

I am seeing the Dr. today about my meds.  I am going to request a prescription for two 25 mg pills per day.  It's clear that quitting Lamictal at this point isn't a good idea, but it's also clear that 100 mg was too much, that 50 mg ought to be enough, and that I may even be able to do fine at 25 mg for now.
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I wouldn't cut back to 25 too quickly TJ. I'd suggest staying on the 50mg until you're completely past detox symptoms, and THEN cut back to 25.


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I saw the Dr. today.  New guy (for me anyway).  He took the usual arrogant tone with me right off when I started talking like I knew something.  He gave me the familiar so-you-think-you-know-more-than-me line, and I shot back that no I didn't but I know SOMETHING.  I realized that the conversation was going the wrong way fast, so I stepped back and said I'm not here for confrontation, I'm here for maintenance on my meds.  Thankfully he took a mental step back too.  Took a few minutes to read through my medical history (which he should have ALREADY DONE, right?), and was a lot more sensible once he realized I wasn't just another dead-beat, brain-fried drug addict, but that I had an education and I was living clean and on the right side of the law and society.  (FYI this is a state-supported clinic that sees a lot of people trying to overcome drug addiction--not the ideal source of treatment, but that's what I can afford right now.)

I don't know if he was just pandering to keep me happy or if he really "came around".  I don't care, either.  I got what I came for: a prescription for two 25 mg Lamictal once daily (so I have the option to take only one).  He also advised that, since I'd been off it for more than five days, I needed to "start over" at 25 mg for a week before going up to 50 mg.  (There is a risk for a potentially fatal skin rash which is lessened when dose is increased gradually.)

In light of the things I told him about my condition, he thought it was prudent to re-evaluate me.  He did, and concluded that I did NOT meet the criteria for bipolar disorder ("you're borderline"), and changed my diagnosis to "mood disorder".

Despite things working out at the end, overall it was quite an upsetting experience, considering how I had to stay on the defensive with this guy, but at least I came away with what I needed.  But it was no wonder my blood pressure was 10+ points higher than usual when he took my vitals...
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I'm sorry this was such a stressful experience for you TJ. I think it's harder for doctors who work in clinics (vs doctors working in private practice) to forge relationships with their patients.

Have you decided what to do about the medication dosage? How long have you been taking the 50 mg per day? Will you start with 25 a day, and if you feel good on that, stick with it, or will you continue on the 50 for a while then lower it to 25 later?


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I took 50 mg Monday and yesterday.  Today I will go down to 25 mg.  I'm not sure what I'll do yet.  If it feels like I should go up to 50 I will, if not I won't!
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I'm sleeping better, and good sleep is a linchpin for me.  But I'm still very tired and sleeping a lot; catching up, I suppose, on lost time.
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It seems that on Friday of last week (11/19), I overlooked my Paxil when refilling my pill boxes (weekly).  For me, quitting Paxil outright induces a state of mild mania (i.e. hypomania)....

Re: the Paxil.  I didn't realize I hadn't been taking Paxil until Tuesday night--four days without it.  I had a prescription for Prozac, and was planning to use it to transition over to from the Paxil, so I went Wednesday morning and had it filled, and started taking it that day.  I really should have refilled my Paxil, too, but it was good to see clearly just how this stuff affects me.  I need to get away from it.  Now that I'm away from this job I have the opportunity to wean myself off.  I started back on the Paxil on Friday morning (total one week off of it), and today I felt zombified, robbed of motivation, and rather numb, but at least I wasn't an ill-tempered jerk.

Being drained of ambition isn't good, but neither is being manic, so this is going to require balance.  I hate this stuff.   It has done an excellent job treating my anxiety, but it clobbers my drive, ambition, emotions, and mental acuity.  When I try to quit, the withdrawal symptoms are much worse than the original ailment.  While I'm trying to quit, I'm going to be suffering from the worst of both sides.

As you see, I started taking the Paxil again (after the accidental break) on 11/26 at half the normal dose (5 mg), then the full dose (10 mg) Saturday 11/27.  Sunday night 11/28 I tapered down to 7.5 mg.  I'd been taking Prozac for five days.  I've read many success stories of people using Prozac to get off Paxil.  Prozac is an SSRI like Paxil, so it's supposed to affect the same neurotransmitter.  In case I decide I want to quit the Prozac too, it has a half-life of about 9 days, compared to Paxil at around 20 hours, so Prozac is much easier to quit, because it leaves the body much more slowly.

I'm trying to go three days at each dose before stepping down.  Tonight will be my last night at 7.5 mg.  Tomorrow I'll skip it because I'm going to move it to the morning, so I'll start taking 5 mg on Thursday morning.  Sunday morning I cut back to 2.5 mg, and Tuesday is my last dose.  Or that's the plan, anyway.

Wish me luck!  I expect it to go much better this time around.
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TJ, Have you tried supplementation, i.e. taking vitamins/minerals/amino acids that affect dopamine or seratonin? I have been on Paxil before, as well as many other meds, and empathaize with what you're going through. The hard part should be over within days to a max of a few weeks, although lingering effects...longer. I can tell you that I have moved to instead supplement with l-tryptophan and l-tyrosine, and I have had better results than with any drugs. I have gotten different interpretations over the years, depression, anxiety, bi-polar. For me, I lean more to think I have BPD (borderline personality disorder), as it more resembles PTSD, and resonates for me. If the med helps you, that's great, I just thought I'd suggest supplementation first as it has helped me a lot! Best of luck!
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and yep I observed much better and quicker results with amino acids then allopathic medication...in nearly all of my clients...
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Thanks all, I'll keep you posted on progress.  I also changed my mind about moving to morning doses (recognizing the vital need for quality sleep), so I'm going down to 5 mg tonight instead of tomorrow morning.
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TJ, have you ever had your thyroid checked (and with that your T3 and T4 hormone levels)? When I was depressed, they put me on zoloft, that made me so aggressive that I stopped after just a few days. But my therapist told me that most of her patients were two kinds... the one that have a thyroid problem and as such become depressed and the once that are depressed and also have a thyroid problem.

The first one (like I was) can be fixed fairly easily by getting the thyroid back working or at least getting enough T3 in you.





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I haven't.  I have tried red Korean, and it made me feel too aggressive.  It was a big dose (648 mg) in a capsule, so I couldn't cut it in half.

The past two days have been rough, but I'm feeling a lot better today.  I think I just had too much Paxil and Prozac in my system all at once.  It seemed to me that they were making me feel more depressed rather than less, and I read yesterday that this often happens to people with bipolar disorder (paradoxical drug reactions).

I didn't take any Prozac yesterday or today, and I cut back to 2.5 mg of Paxil last night, after only taking 5 mg for one night (Wednesday).  I'm going to take 2.5 mg for a couple more nights, maybe through Sunday night, then quit, and if I need anything else I'll just take another Prozac (at night, this time).  If I continue having problems with anxiety I can probably get away with taking Prozac once per week, since it hangs around so long.

I'm fine with--actually happy with--taking medication for bipolar disorder, but I'd like to get to the bottom of my anxiety issues and learn how to cope with my anxiety without any extra meds.  Thanks for your support!
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Last dose of Paxil tonight, then I'm going to take a dose of Prozac tomorrow night.  Next week will be telling.
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Just read through this thread...

I'm very anti-pharmaceuticals. I can totally related to your talk with the Dr. I find medical Dr's some of the worse people in the world to try to communicate with. So I just stay as far from them as possible also.

I pray that you will be able to completely get off the meds and feel alive, happy and well. As for work, maybe it's a blessing right now that you are having a break. I don't know where you wrote this but you said you were thinking of moving? Are you still feeling like that? Maybe somewhere else there would be a better option for a healthy work environment.

I hope you start feeling better and better! *hugs*


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Paxil-Free, Day One.  I took Prozac the past two nights to smooth the transition.  Today I'm feeling a little taste of mental clarity starting to emerge, as if I might be able to do more work that requires concentration without experiencing the usual amount of frustration and fatigue.  It's nothing drastic, just a taste, but promising.  The Prozac is probably blunting my mind and senses, but it seems less potent in that respect than the Paxil.  I'm not feeling anxiety, or the intensity that I got when stopping Paxil abruptly.  Already I can tell that I won't be content to sit in my apartment this week doing nothing.  I want to start in on my job hunt but feel reservations because this is just the first day off, and who knows what I'm going to be like tomorrow or next week?
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I pray that you will be able to completely get off the meds and feel alive, happy and well. As for work, maybe it's a blessing right now that you are having a break. I don't know where you wrote this but you said you were thinking of moving? Are you still feeling like that?
Christa, I love the idea of getting off my medications at some point, but I'm not going to count on it happening.  Frankly, I love what the Lamictal does for me.  I don't want to stop taking it.  I didn't appreciate how much it helped me until I tried quitting.  It imparts such stability to my mental and emotional states.  It helps me like none of the other meds I've ever tried.  I have no problem with Topamax, either (other than expense).  No side effects, and no migraines since I started taking it.  I do want to move to Utah, but it's going to be ticklish to make it all work together.  If I can find a good job out there, things might just come together.  Thanks for asking!
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Lamictal is what my sister's on, if I recall correctly.  Loves it.  


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You're welcome.

Although you say you feel good on Lamical and want to stay on it, and being as anti-meds as I am. I am happy you are happy for now.

Just a thought... but what if at some point you can't get your meds? When the levies broke in New Orleans those people were without their meds for months. Those people went cold turkey on their meds cause they had no other choice. A lot of people died. With any drug, stimulant or addictive substance... going cold turkey is tough and difficult. Sorry... not to be a bummer, just sharing my thoughts on it.

I wouldn't personally want to ever be dependent on a drug to keep me feeling "balanced". I continually work every day on eating the right foods and taking the right vitamins and supplements to make sure I am balanced and healthy.


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I'm fine with--actually happy with--taking medication for bipolar disorder, but I'd like to get to the bottom of my anxiety issues and learn how to cope with my anxiety without any extra meds.  Thanks for your support!
Hey, hope you don't mind me asking TJ, but I was just wondering...if the last Dr you saw (the new one) said you were only borderline & re-diagnosed you as having a "mood disorder".... how come you are "happy taking medication for bipolar disorder", that you don't have?? & goodluck getting to the bottom of your anxiety issues... Love that you can share this stuff!!!
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How are you feeling today TJ?

Christa- I think that all of us agree that the ideal is not to rely on any pharmaceuticals on a regular basis. But that may not be realistic for everybody. Some of us need to heal from decadess of eating wrong, and pharmaceuticals can sometimes provide balance until our bodies heal enough to stay balanced alone.

I'm not going to live my life in fear because "maybe someday there will be a natural disaster and I can't get my meds." I somehow doubt I'd be able to easily obtain BTD compliant food or supplements during a disaster either. During crises, we make due with what we have, and sometimes that means our bodies get damaged and it takes us a long time to heal once the crisis is over.


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Hey, hope you don't mind me asking TJ, but I was just wondering...if the last Dr you saw (the new one) said you were only borderline & re-diagnosed you as having a "mood disorder".... how come you are "happy taking medication for bipolar disorder", that you don't have??
In hindsight I realized that I was actually having a hypomanic episode when I went in to see that Dr.  So much for not being bipolar.
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Just a thought... but what if at some point you can't get your meds? When the levies broke in New Orleans those people were without their meds for months.
What if I was type 1 diabetic?  Should I try to live without my insulin?  We are all dependent on lots of things: food, shelter, clothing, etc.  You could just as easily be deprived of one of those others.
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How are you feeling today TJ?
Great!  My body is still really out of shape from lounging around so much while I've been feeling crummy, but my mind and heart are ready to face the world again.
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I saw my therapist yesterday, and she was very pleased with the progress I had made, and was encouraging of my hopes to move west.  I took a 20 mg Prozac again last night, and I'm feeling pretty    today.  I see the "Dr." (actually nurse practitioner) tomorrow for medication maintenance, and I'm going to ask for a 10 mg Prozac (hopefully that won't clobber me), and to increase the Lamictal to 200 mg.  Ideally, I will be completely off Prozac, too, by the time I titrate up to 200 mg of Lamictal.

More to come.
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I know people say moving is one of the most stressful things in life, but you might find it invigorating.  I don't find moving very stressful.  I think it's kind of freeing.  You know, going through stuff, throwing things out, decluttering, relocating, unpacking and setting things back up.....Just make sure you're feeling manic when you do it all.  ( ---only someone who has similar issues can joke about it like this.  I chuckle because I understand!)


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I love moving!  Must be that Nomad bit in me.  Moving always brings out a little bit of my manic side.  A fresh start is a beautiful thing.

I got the prescriptions I requested today!

It's funny that Paxil really helped me sleep soundly, but my cycle has been totally off (1 am to 9 am).  I'm naturally moving back toward getting sleepy around 9 or 10 pm like I should be now that the Paxil is out of my system.
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I love moving!  Must be that Nomad bit in me.


Me too, TJ.  I used to have the feeling that people thought I was unstable because I liked to move.  After no more than 2 years in one place, I couldn't get moving off of my mind.  I am not so much that way, now.  My 'A' husband is happy.  It was hard on him.  I was so happy to find out it was a characteristic of my blood type.  Now, I celebrate my love of change rather than make excuses for it.  I have always continuously moved furniture in my house, changing rooms into different uses. I like to buy used furniture pieces, keep them for a while and move them out via craigslist or give them away.  I find very cool pieces.  
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It's been interesting to note that I feel warmer as the SSRIs move out of my system.  I found out that SSRIs can slow down thyroid function, so maybe there was something to the hypothyroidism idea after all.  I'm still using small amounts of Prozac (5 mg), and I can tell it in my sensitivity to the cold and in my muscle tone, but I do sleep better on it than off it, and I don't feel doped up or emotionally numb like I did on Paxil.  I'm still up in the air about whether I want to keep taking it.  If this frigid weather stays around I might quit just because of that, brrrr!

In other news, I've been getting back on the horse over the last few days in large part due to a great idea from my sister-in-law.  I live alone, and it's been so hard to stay motivated or to exert the discipline I need to look for work or do other "self-starter" tasks.  These things were a lot easier with roommates around, I guess just because I had other people who could see what I was doing with my time.  Anyway, she realized that I needed to check in with someone every day to have some outside accountability.  I call her up and tell her three things I'm going to get accomplished tomorrow, and tell her how I did on my three things today, and she does the same with me.  I'm already making headway.

One more piece of (tentative) good news.  I'm friends with a married couple in Utah, and they just bought a house in Sandy.  The wife told me that she was fine with me staying there until I got set up as long as her husband is ok with it, and that they could probably put me to work for them while I was looking for a regular job.  If that pans out, I'll just need to find a way to get myself out there.  I should know something this week.  Things are coming together!
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Sounds good TJ!!

3 Things I did today:

1) Got my son to school (that was quite a production today!)
2) Made a soup for my daughter to eat when she gets home from school.
3) Spoke to the lady from the blood center, and made a point to keep the hot compress on the donation site, eat and drink well, and rest.

I still need to make dinner later today (or supervise DD2 making dinner if I'm really not up to it.)


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I love moving!  Must be that Nomad bit in me.


I haven't moved in 18 years. But before that, I moved more than any dozen persons! It's a function, too, of age. In one's 20's and 30's one tends to move more. I did, anyway. On the go!



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sounds like you taking control of your life. Looking forward hearing more good news. (I'm sure we will) Thank sunny thoughts


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Digging up this thread, instead of starting my own...

After 10 years free of antidepressants, last fall I had to go back on them, and a high powered one at that.  Basically, something bad happened in our financial life that we didn't have the money to fight (could sue a major company and win over it, if we had the money to file a lawsuit).  My husband was very distraught over it, we had to move and downsize in every way imaginable, my son was sick more often then well, and I waited too long to get on meds last fall, so I had to go on Cymbalta.  Which was miraculous, but not without side effects...a very potent drug.  

Now, things are improving and it's spring. I'm now tired of the side effects and no longer need the benefits of the medication.  I've taken one every other day, of the lowest dosage.  Every time I've tried to go off of it completely I get vertigo (had a similar, but lesser, reaction to going off Wellbutrin 10 years ago).  Today is my 4th day off.  I've been taking all the supplements to help my liver get it out of my system faster, and did an explorer cleanse last night.  That all seems to be helping with the vertigo.  Now I'm getting very tired... I think I need to get off the computer and force myself to exercise.  

I'll report back after I do (I need somebody to report to)  


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Good luck!  Isn't Cymbalta fairly new on the market (compared to Paxil/Prozac anyway)?
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Good luck with the withdrawal.

Besides dealing with the physical effects of medicine withdrawal, make sure you're nourishing your body to keep depression at bay. Os need lots of good protein for stable moods, and sugars/ too many grains can mess up our mental stability.

Make sure you're getting plenty of sunshine (and/or vitamin D via supplements) and good fatty acids, such as those found in fish. You also need ample red meat, and to be very strict about limiting grains and added sugars. Plus, of course, lots of vegetables. These are the things I do to keep my depression under control.

This is NOT the time to worry too much about portion sizes of meats or oils, nor is it the time to worry about your weight. You can adjust meat and oil portions down later if necessary.


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Don't know how I missed what you wrote TJ back in Dec... But good going!!
& same to you Melissa... (So sorry to hear what you went through)

Great words Ruthie - in fact I have filed them & sent them to Mr P, as they are useful for both him & his PA (personal assistant) who I'm sure is an O & takes St John's wort & still suffers from depression/mood swings...
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Lamictal is (for me) for "bipolar disorder".  That's what my therapist and doctors call it.  I think it's more accurate to say, "I'm really tired and hurting most of the time, and that is depressing and makes it hard to get anything done, but when I perk up, I take advantage of the reprieve and overdo it, which is sort of like hypomania."  It doesn't quite roll off the tongue like "bipolar disorder".

My problems started with chronic fatigue.  It was just too easy to label me as "depressed", and few doctors would have known how to properly treat me anyway.  Depression came along later as I got more and more frustrated with my inability to live like I wanted to (a "normal" life).  Over the years, the underlying problems have gotten worse and and so has the depression, adding to it anxiety.

Fortunately, I no longer feel tired or in pain most the time, so I don't feel a need to run myself into the ground "catching up" when I do feel well.


Diagnosed with bipolar II. Hardest time getting off Cymbalta, said I would never take that stuff again, doc wound up convincing me it would help but I went through h*&%$ getting off. NEVER again. Lamictal caused me such neurological problems I had to stop even though I really felt good. My hopes are to keep following the N6 Nomad plan and imagine myself to good health and the same for you. Still taking lithium though and am afraid to stop. I wonder what interaction it plays with the diet? Stay safe my friend.


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I'm still taking Lamictal, and at this point I have no plans to quit it!  Back when I tried quitting it got very clear that I needed it.
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Pharmaceutical drugs DO have their place in health care. Some people are so out of balance that food, exercises, and supplements just aren't enough. I'm not sure what causes people to be so out of balance; it could be from a lifetime (including prenatal) of wrong diet and/or chemical exposure, reactions to very traumatic experiences, reactions to medications given in the past, etc. (The fact that many people are over-medicated is a whole separate rant.)

I can hope and pray that my children are spared the need for pharmaceutical drugs, especially psychiatric drugs, by nourising them properly from a young age. But there's no guarantee of that either.

I think it's far better to be healthy and on medication than it is to go off meds prematurely and suffer from illness. Untreated mental illness affects everybody in your life, especially family members who live with you. Go on the right diet and do the right exercises. Work on healing your body. Maybe at some point in the future, you can wean off the meds. Maybe you can't. Maybe you can reduce the number of meds you're taking, maybe you can reduce your dose, or maybe not. Perhaps you would have otherwise needed more drugs or higher doses in the future, and by "keeping the status quo" you're reducing your future drug needs.

Don't think of yourself as a "failure" if you still need some medicine to stay calm, focused, and balanced.  Be thankful that those drugs are available for you.


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I'm still taking Lamictal, and at this point I have no plans to quit it!  Back when I tried quitting it got very clear that I needed it.


TJ do NOT stop taking your meds without your doctor's approval. Trust me on this, I know.


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I do too!  Learned the hard way.  Fortunately it was just uncomfortable, not tragic.  It wasn't even correctly diagnosed until I was 34 so it's not too bad, as cases of bipolar disorder go.
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my BIL had bipolar disorder and took lithium for 30 yrs....then he went off it under drs care, and was ok not using it....it seems his chemistry balanced itself out...? (over the many yrs)
but oh how lucky he was, compared to his mother who sufferred the disorder before they had lithium.
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Thanks Ruthiegirl...I have found myself craving and eating more red meat and that beginning hunger on the diet has begun as I've kicked up my compliance.

Yeah, I don't think I'll take Cymbalta again.  I don't regret taking it, although I do regret getting to the point that I needed it.  I'm still having some dizziness, but at least it has leveled off, instead of getting worse over time.  Sleep was hard the first few nights, kind of like a waking dream, but almost normal last night other than some weird dreams.  For bipolar, some of the meds are pretty necessary.  I don't have it bad enough (bipolar SAD) to need a mood stabilizer, but I'd take one if I needed it.

I forgot to report back, but I did get on my feet and off the computer.  Ended up doing lots of housework instead of formal exercise, but I still broke a sweat and got out of the funk.  Back into taekwondo again as well, I'll be testing this month after not testing for a year.


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Don't know how I missed what you wrote TJ back in Dec... But good going!!
& same to you Melissa... (So sorry to hear what you went through)

Great words Ruthie - in fact I have filed them & sent them to Mr P, as they are useful for both him & his PA (personal assistant) who I'm sure is an O & takes St John's wort & still suffers from depression/mood swings...


St Johnswort can be more helpful for type A's.  O's can find Rhodiola very good for improving emotional well-being and energy.  



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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