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Curious
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I sometimes have a weird feeling around my eyes: It feels like I have a wave of diamonds coming from either the right hand side of my head or from the left hand side of my head. It moves in a flickering way into my eyes and even though I still see fairly clearly, I find it distressing. It usually last for 10-20 minutes and I have it about every 6-8 weeks. It only started about a year ago.

I have been trying to find out what it is and someone told me that it could be a migrane without the headache. She said the 'flickering diamonds' are like the aura preceeding a migrane and that I was lucky that I do not get the headaches. Does this make sense and does any of you know this?

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Seems similar to what I have been experiencing since my early adulthood. I would describe it as a crescent shaped flickering appearing in my eyesight, thereupon followed by a severe headache..

In time the frequency of that decreased, and the headache altogether disappeared. I still have the flickering now and then, with a sense of wanting to relax. Recently a physician told me that it was a mild case of ischemia, and nothing to really worry about..

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Yes, it's called "silent migraines".  My sister gets them.  I, on the other hand, get the real migraines.  She has all the leading-up-to-headache symptoms (vision, super-sensitivity to light and sound, nausea), and then it goes away without ever getting the headache.  She saw a doctor who said those were known as silent migraines and told her to be thankful.


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I was told it's called a "migraine effect"  I get them too. I had it last week...I got tunnel vision for a minute then it cleared up. I was also told by a MD that migraines are a vascular insufficiency caused by the chemicals that make the arteries dialate and retract are not secreted sufficiently.  I bet the chemicals in oranges stopped my correct secretion.   Once I stopped eating oranges the migraines stopped by 99.8%
I went most of my life drinking orange juice in the morning because I "thought" it was good for me. It gave me migraine headaches and acne. Oh, and the funny thing is I don't even like oranges or the flavor of orange.   I found out that oranges are an avoid when I started the BTD. I wish I would have known that.  I lived 50 mins away from Dr. James D'Adamo.  50 minutes.     We had no knowledge of ND"s due to my state not licensing them...grrrrr.
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I get them too, since my early twenties. I also used to find it quite distressing. Now I hardly notice them at all.    They have decreased in frequency and intensity as I get older too.


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Very intersting - thanks everyone. I am so glad that I don't need to worry - and I am glad I don't get the severe headaches.
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try the gentle liver cleanse for explorers in the GTD book, repeat once a month at least......also keep hydrated right!
mine was liver related.....and these guidelines have greatly helped


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try the gentle liver cleanse for explorers in the GTD book, repeat once a month at least......also keep hydrated right!
mine was liver related.....and these guidelines have greatly helped


So maybe it is not the getting older, but getting healthier....  



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I was told it's called a "migraine effect"  I get them too. I had it last week...I got tunnel vision for a minute then it cleared up. I was also told by a MD that migraines are a vascular insufficiency caused by the chemicals that make the arteries dialate and retract are not secreted sufficiently.  I bet the chemicals in oranges stopped my correct secretion.   Once I stopped eating oranges the migraines stopped by 99.8%
I went most of my life drinking orange juice in the morning because I "thought" it was good for me. It gave me migraine headaches and acne. Oh, and the funny thing is I don't even like oranges or the flavor of orange.   I found out that oranges are an avoid when I started the BTD. I wish I would have known that.  I lived 50 mins away from Dr. James D'Adamo.  50 minutes.     We had no knowledge of ND"s due to my state not licensing them...grrrrr.


Mayflowers, I used to drink oranges and orange juice everyday because I "thought" it was good for me, too. I was addicted to oranges but didn't really like them either. I got so used to eating them that it became a habit. When I read Dr. D's book, I learned that they are an avoid for AB's so I went off of them and felt so much better and my migraines stopped. I never made the connection between the oranges and migraines until now. I have  many other beneficial fruits like apples, pears, apricots, kiwi, etc. so I don't miss oranges. I got my first migraine with lights and no headache in 4th grade. I got migraines 3 times/year until I started the BTD. I noticed that the migraines came only in the spring.
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Thanks for the idea about the liver cleanse Lola - it is a good idea. I am currently taking milk thistle, so that would probably help as well.
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I have had these ocular migraines periodically since the age of 35.  It scared the bejeebers out of me at the time.  I now know that when this happens there is something wrong in the gut.  
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I have had these ocular migraines periodically since the age of 35.  It scared the bejeebers out of me at the time.  I now know that when this happens there is something wrong in the gut.  


Something wrong in the gut??? Do you know what sorts of things are wrong in the gut?
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What I mean is that I have probably eaten something that did not agree with me but I don't really realize it at the time.  For instance, a bladder infection does not affect only the bladder but your whole system.  So, during that time I might have several days of a Rorschach image appear briefly at intervals before my eyes.  Wow, this is hard to explain!  Anyway, I do believe the gut is very much involved.  Maybe someone else can explain this better.
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Thanks NewHampshireGirl. You are probably right, the day before my last 'silent migrane' I ate chocolate. It was homemade and had only great stuff in it (cocoa butter, chocolate powder, almonds, raisins), but I think I ate too much of it. Maybe my body just could not cope with too much fat (as in cocoa butter).
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You're welcome, Curious.    I wish some research could be done on this subject but meanwhile I'll stick to my theory.
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I agree, for me they are also food/gut related.  Wheat, even in amounts too small to cause other nasty reactions, will give me migraines.  

Caffeine can help migraines, but in some people it has the opposite effect.  It seemed to help mine (though not as much as finding and disposing of the hidden wheat I was taking in).  


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I would call those symptoms stress, as opposed to pain.  Too often the two go together.  

I experienced pain-free stress headaches from my Tomatis therapy.  Other times there was pain and stress.  Since the therapy is meant to rewire the brain through the sense of hearing, it is not surprising that the brain complained about the changes.

I would get migraines with my inability to deal with my life anyways.  Taking the therapy just forced me to knowingly take the stress.  This was not easy at the age of ten.  The payoff was at least a year and a half in development.  Now, I could not imagine my life without having done the therapy.  The weird headaces, being dyslexic, and the "feedback" from my therapy are very private burdens that were often doubted or treated dismissively by those who could not know.

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I experienced pain-free stress headaches from my Tomatis therapy.  


Thanks for the warning.


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Thanks for the warning.
If your experience is like mine, you will merely be trading headaches.  

Do not be convinced that my experience is going to predict yours, however.  We do not share the exact same symptoms, gender, therapy programme (I am assuming this from your comments), age when the therapy is first applied, blood type, or Genotype.  A little thinking with the D' Adamo thinking cap, or looking with the D' Adamo lens will get you out of that OSFA thinking.  Headaches could have more to do with my inherent genetically determine weaknesses.  Not all kids at the centre disliked the therapy to the same degree.  Some would throw temper tantrums (there should be a measure for distance so the Guinness World Record people can quantify this), be grouchy or depressed, or just shrug and draw a picture.  

BTW when you are listening to the filtered music, artistic endevors are best, possibly to engage the right brain while the left is busy.

So little is known about this that the best expert in the world (Paul Madaule, possibly) would not be able to predict how or if you will be affected.  I am certainly not that expert.  I am not in anyway licensed to give medical advice to anyone for any condition.  My enthusiasm for Tomatis, and other unusual health care systems sometimes falsely gives the impression that I know more than I do.  If this is a problem I will replace my signature with some suitable warning about the severe and narrow limits of my competence.  


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Okay.


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This is interesting....I can create these symptoms with a very fuzzy head by eating either chocolate,  chocolate/cream, tomato/cream, tomato concentrate, but bring on the  full migrane by eating any three or by two in combination with the Westerly winds (dry winds from the inland).  

This will occur every time  
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Shells, that's v-e-r-y interesting.
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I had the wave of diamonds as Curious described, but I referred to it as kaleidoscope like but w/ no color.
The first time it was on both sides. Lasted about 20 minutes. Freaked me out! No headache. I was just standing in my kitchen when it happened.
The second time, it was on both sides as well, but only lasted 5-10 min on the right side. However, this time, my vision on the left side was affected. Blackness started at the upper part of the outside of my eye area. It spread down the outside part of my face next to my eye and over my eye in the eyebrow area towards the center of my face. Then I got hit with the pain in my face (like a stroke), all the way down to my neck. I was driving when this happened. Pulled over of course and within 10 minutes it was all gone. Went to the dr and felt that was well warranted. They put me in the hospital (of course), ran some MRI's and CT scan I think. Kept me overnight. The original dr I went to (neurologist) came in Friday night and told me I had had a TIA and that I was way too young for that!! The next day a different dr came in to see me ( I was none too happy about that at first ). He told me things were fine. I questioned him about what the other dr said and he then told me they had only gotten my test results back that morning! So the other dr made a false diagnosis and w/o looking at the test results. I was not a happy camper with him! I found out later, he had done the same thing w/ another gal that I know and was also referred to him by the same doctor. So after all that, I went and had a THOROUGH eye exam done. He found nothing. It was then that I was told it was likely an ocular migraine. Have not had any since finding out about BTD. I believe it was food related. I ate on the SAD diet at the time these happened. I would think probably from food additives. JMHO



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