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Jane
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Had a visit with my endo yesterday.  I've been wondering why I've been dragging lately.  As a thyroid cancer survivor I had been on high doses of thyroid meds to suppress any functioning at all of whatever cells might not have been removed with my near total thyroidectomy.  For the past several years, all of my tests have shown my TSH to be low that they couldn't detect it or barely detected it.  The endo thought that after 13 years it would be safe to get it into a more normal range .1 -.2, so he reduced my meds and had me taking the compounded one in the morning and the levoxyl at dinner time.  I've been dragging, especially the past few weeks, with lots of other thyroid symptoms - achy muscles and joints, sleep disturbances, etc.  All I wanted to do after work was just go home and settle in front of the TV with the Boston Globe puzzles.  I dragged myself to the gym a few times a week and did 30-40 minutes of cardio and then some weight work but didn't feel energized like I should have.  Now I know why!  My TSH has shot up to over 5.55 which for me is REALLY not good.  He's upped the levoxyl and I'm back to taking it all in the AM.  I'm taking a little extra the first 3 weeks.  Now maybe the weight will start to come off again.  People come to see him for his innovative approach from all over the world.  I went to college with his wife and he's a little frustrated that I'm not responding like most of his patients.  
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ask him about stem cell therapies for your problem, and if those would apply in your case.


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Uggggg.........that bites!!
Gotta ask, did he have you go off your medicines before checking your TSH?
Also, are you on a gluten free diet? I have recently read info that gluten plays a large part in thyroid issues.
Hope you're feeling better soon. Nothing great about draggin' around. {{HUGS}}



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Good grief, Jane!  It made me feel so sad to read your post.  Lately I have been thinking that more thyroid med is needed in the winter than in the summer.  Not sure why, exactly.  I have been taking 2 grains of Westhroid daily and for some months, now, I have forced myself out of bed in the mornings, have been gaining weight and certainly not losing and my appetite has gone through the roof.  I have a doctor's appt. next month for a yearly physical.  What I am thinking is that I will continue with the 2 grains, go through the physical, have the lab tests drawn and then go up to 2.5 grains a day on my own.  I'll see how that works.  This is so discouraging since I have a goal of 20 more pounds to lose since gaining before thyroid surgery in 2004.  I have been attempting to lose that 20 lbs. for a year, now.  I had lost approx. 40 lbs. up to that point and it took four years just to do that!!!!!!!

My favorite online site about thyroid is http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com
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.  Lately I have been thinking that more thyroid med is needed in the winter than in the summer.  


seems like I read this in one of the thyroid books recently. they were saying it's really important to stay on top of testing. something I haven't done in the past. didn't realize how important it is.

yep, here ya go

http://books.google.com/books?.....=result&resnum=8



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seems like I read this in one of the thyroid books recently. they were saying it's really important to stay on top of testing. something I haven't done in the past. didn't realize how important it is.

yep, here ya go

http://books.google.com/books?.....=result&resnum=8


Omigosh, I'm in a state of shock.  This proves my hypothesis because I definitely notice a difference in myself between summer and winter.  Thank you, Italybound!
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My doctor's in Newton - Ken Blanchard.  He wrote the book,"What Your Dr. Didn't Tell You About Your Thyroid," or something like that.  In addition to being an MD, he's also a Ph'D in Chemistry. He has always told me that you need a little more in the winter.  He was a little upset with me that I didn't call him 3 months ago to tell him that I wasn't doing well.  I was shocked when I saw that 5.55!  I didn't realize it was that bad but like you I've been really hungry and although I eat really well I've been craving the carbs, especially when I first get home from work.  I always tell myself I'm just going to have one of those Pamela's Chocolate, Chocolate Chunk but it usually turns into 3 or 4.  I've been frustrated about the weight (didn't even want to know what I weigh but I have a pretty good idea).  I've been pretty consistent about the gym - at least 2x a week, most weeks 3 times.
Dr. and I also spent a lot of time talking about Vitamin D.  More and more is being written about the potential effects of being deficient.  There's now been a study linking it to autism.  I just forwarded the thing about its relationship to glucose metabolism to my 31 year old son who's sugar was 154 at his checkup.   My D was 43 which he thought was OK for this time of year.  He might put me on more next winter.  I'm currently taking 2000 IUs.

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Jane, that's very enlightening!  I'm going to see if I can buy Dr. Blanchard's book.  When my doctor and I get together next month for my physical he and I are going to have a big chat about my Westhroid dosage.  But, I have to add he's a wonderful person to talk with and figure out things with.
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I go in for a yearly tsh since I was "nuked" for a nodule in '98.  Last year my result was 1.2, this year it was 2.1.  Both are considered in the normal range, so I cotinue on my .88mg of synthroid.
I do think some herbs affect my thyroid.  I was taking a anti- parasitic blend that had black walnut in it, and I felt hyper.  I couldn't sleep, felt anxious, woke up early, etc.  So I still have a senisitve thyroid thing going on.  I also lost weight on the parasite blend....but it is scary to not really know what's happening....I stopped taking that stuff.  Something has been off with my intestines for a month or so.  On another thread, Lola suggested I back off the "low g-i" fruits.   Actually thinking I am a hunter, I was eating bananas and grapefruits on a regular basis.  But now I am not sure.  I am going to back off from all fruits except maybe berries for now.  If that helps, I may be better.  Will see....but the thyroid thing is tricky, as is the intestine connection....
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Up until the last test, mine was right around 0 so 5.55 was a shock.
Pat, I don't go off meds before being tested.  It's a slow process normally and it usually takes weeks for things to change. I think the big thing I changed was time of day that I was taking the meds.  The other thing is that I always took them with grapefruit juice which I know they say can enhance their effects but I always took them that way.  I stopped doing that for the the Levoxyl when I was taking it before dinner so now I'm back to taking them the way I always did.
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Hi Jane, I was asking if you went off meds before testing because I just read that it was supposed to be done that way. That's not to say that info is correct, just commenting on what I read.
There are 2 super good books that anyone w/ thyroid issues ( or even suspected thyroid issues ) might want to read. I have learned more from these 2 books than in all the 30 years I've been given info about it from the dr..........which is basically nothing.  

https://www.drbrownstein.com/singleproduct.asp?id=791

http://www.amazon.com/Living-Well-Hypothyroidism-Doctor-Doesnt/dp/0380808986

a short website article w/ a link to an interview w/ Dr Brownstein:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/expertinterviews/a/brownstein.htm



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I understand you Jane.  I have been through a lot over the years with  my thyroid.  My troubles started when I allowed the doctors to destroy my thyroid.  worst mistake of my life.  Anyway, i feel better when my tsh is below 1.  I have learned to relay on the way I feel to determine my increases.  I take armour thyroid.  I have run the gamat of thyroid meds.  Synthroid has been the worse for years.  I also get my Free T3 and Free T4 tested instead of the ones used by doctors (TSH, T3 and T4).  I do better when I get my results from the Free's.  The morning of testing, I do not take my morning meds until after testing so that the test will show exactly what my body is utilizing.  Taking my meds causes my results to look higher than they are.  Hopefully, your does will be increased and monitored so you can feel better.  i also am on several thyroid groups.  Stopthethyroidmadness is one of them.  I also like Mary Shomon's site and use her books.  Hopefully, you will feel beter soon.  I know how you feel about the  weight.  I struggle with this also.

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I was reading in one of the above books that Armour and Westhroid use cornstarch as a binder which has caused food allergy reactions. Nature-Throid uses microcrystalline cellulose, which is a derivative from paper, and does not cause allergic reactions.
That being said, since all 3 are derived from pork..............????????
I've wondered how much reaction this causes ( as an avoid ).  Is it like using something w/ aloe in it, but it's okay if you're not eating it? Since this is being taken orally, I'd consider that 'eating'. How does this measure up on the B,N,A table?  Obviously not a B, but where does it wind up???

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/thyroiddrugs/a/naturals.htm



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Heidi and others have discussed this issue in the past, I think

try the search button on the main website page....


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Well, shock of all shocks....  
I was reading more in the book "Overcoming Thyroid Disorders" and once again came upon the info about not taking thyroid hormones for hypothyroidism if you also have hypoadrenalism, which I do. ( I had forgotten about this )  Most people w/ thyroid issues, prob do have adrenal issues! They explain that thyroid medicine stimulates your adrenals to produce more hormones. With poor adrenals, they just can't keep up. This taxes them. The more thyroid hormone you take, the worse the adrenals can become. Explains why my adrenals were one step shy of being in the failure stage. Thank goodness for my chiropractor!!!!!
and how irritating to have to keep dealing w/ drs who don't have a clue!!  



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I don't have a thyroid anymore so I have to take thyroid drugs.  I had a near total thyroidectomy in 1996.  I take Levoxyl because the excipients in it are less of a problem than with Synthroid.  I also take a compounded thyroid to try and get the right mix.  I had one of my parathyroids removed as well because I had a benign tumor on it.  I'm pretty sensitive about what I need and should have recognized what was happening with my levels but I had a lot of other things going on at the same time.  Dr. Blanchard had some success with having some of his patients taking their T4 with their dinner and we decided to try that.  I think that may have been one of the problems.  It was absorbing totally differently (or not at all) and it was difficult because my schedule varies so much that I was taking it at a different time each day.  I'm back to taking it first thing in the morning so we'll see.
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Hope you'll feel better soon Jane! HUGS  



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Thanks, Pat.  I'm already starting to feel a bit better.
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Thanks, Pat.  I'm already starting to feel a bit better.
Jane


goood , glad to hear it. I'm looking forward to finding a dr to work with that knows what they're doing. from reading these 2 or 3 books, I've learned more how things work, what tests I need and what I need to look for in a dr.  I'll be interviewing a few shortly.



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i stepped out on the limb for a while concerning my adrenal issues.  I self-treated with hydrocortisone for a while after my 24 hour saliva tests showed adrenal fatigue.  I had a hard time getting a doctor to work with me on healing my adrenals.  I slowly worked with this and was able to bring me adrenal issues to a close.  it was dicey, but I had no other choice.  I was so tired of feeing bad and tired of doctors who would not look at my adrenal issues.  I wouldn't suggest this for any one esle unless they just had no other recourse.  I also read William Jeffries book "Safe uses of cortisol" to help me with this.

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i stepped out on the limb for a while concerning my adrenal issues.  I self-treated with hydrocortisone for a while after my 24 hour saliva tests showed adrenal fatigue.  I had a hard time getting a doctor to work with me on healing my adrenals.  I slowly worked with this and was able to bring me adrenal issues to a close.  it was dicey, but I had no other choice.  I was so tired of feeing bad and tired of doctors who would not look at my adrenal issues.  I wouldn't suggest this for any one esle unless they just had no other recourse.  I also read William Jeffries book "Safe uses of cortisol" to help me with this.

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Roller, you are brave!  I hope this means you're feeling much better.  
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Roller, you are brave!


yes, she is! I have read alot of using this or that natural hormone to balance things out. But w/ mine being almost in the failure stage, I don't want to take the chance of making things worse, tho after reading that I shouldn't be taking thyroid hormone since my adrenals are so bad, what could it hurt I guess. Just kiddin'........I'm not that brave.

I was talking to an acquaintance today.......we got on the thyroid topic.....she said she learned thyroid meds can inhibit absorption of calcium. Isn't THAT just dandy!! No one ever told me that before either. Grrrrrr



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wow, intereting thema, especially for me and my little weightgain... ....

hmm Italy...look here http://www.megafood.com they do have an adrenal strength formula which works super, perhaps something similar for thyroids as well .......btw...why not give a try for Enada NADH to boost all kinds of energy levels ....


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No, not brave, desperate!  I had plenty of help from several support groups that I belong to especially the ladies on the naturalthyroidhormonesADRENAL@yahoogroups.  And yes, I have recovered very well, no thanks to doctors.  I did everything very slowly and had to be patient until things changed for me, and they did.

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Pat,
I think your friend had it backwards.  Calcium can inhibit the uptake of the thyroid hormone.
That's why you are supposed to wait at least 4 hours after you take the thyroid meds to take your calcium.  I now take the thy. meds in the morning and my Cal-Mag-Zinc before bed.
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Pat,
I think your friend had it backwards.  Calcium can inhibit the uptake of the thyroid hormone.
That's why you are supposed to wait at least 4 hours after you take the thyroid meds to take your calcium.  I now take the thy. meds in the morning and my Cal-Mag-Zinc before bed.
Jane


I agree.  I take my calcium early afternoon and at bedtime.  Chewable, because who can swallow those gigantic pills!!!!  
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Jane thanks for straightening me out on the thyroid/calcium thing   



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You're welcome.
NH Girl,
I don't have any trouble with the size of the pills so I take them at night before bed.
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I don't have any trouble with the size of the pills so I take them at night before bed.
Jane


Jane, you are so lucky!  The two kinds I gave up trying to swallow are calcium and magnesium pills so now I have chewable calcium citrate and magnesium citrate powder.   Really, such a relief there are alternatives.  
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I am age 81, o-non, hypothyroid, on levoxyl 100mcg, peripheral neuropathy which I BELIEVE WAS CAUSED BY TAKING STATINS TO LOWER CHOLESTEROL. which i independently stopped.  I also believe that the statins caused or contributed to my hypothyroidism.  Please be suspicious of all other meds or alternatives you may be taking.  In addition to taking daily Deflect, Polyvite, Polyflora & Polycal for type O's I also added a glandular supplement, one per day, which I obtain from Dr. Jonathan Wright, M.D., Tahoma Clinic, to supplement the Levoxyl.  Website:  Tahomaclinic.com. - I also check to be sure that I always receive Levoxyl and not some other generic.  Best wishes. - Conrad
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I am age 81, o-non, hypothyroid, on levoxyl 100mcg, peripheral neuropathy which I BELIEVE WAS CAUSED BY TAKING STATINS TO LOWER CHOLESTEROL. which i independently stopped.  I also believe that the statins caused or contributed to my hypothyroidism.  Please be suspicious of all other meds or alternatives you may be taking.  In addition to taking daily Deflect, Polyvite, Polyflora & Polycal for type O's I also added a glandular supplement, one per day, which I obtain from Dr. Jonathan Wright, M.D., Tahoma Clinic, to supplement the Levoxyl.  Website:  Tahomaclinic.com. - I also check to be sure that I always receive Levoxyl and not some other generic.  Best wishes. - Conrad


Welcome, Conrad!

That's very insightful of you, Conrad, to notice these things and to be your own detective with hypothyroidism.  Statins certainly may cause muscle aches since it uses your body's source of COQ-10 and that's why many doctors ask their patients to take COQ-10 supplements.  There is a book I believe you will want to read called "Hypothyroidism Type 2" by Mark Starr, M.D.   It's real eye opener about hypothyroidism.  You can read about it on Amazon.com.  I will be seeing my doctor for a physical next week and I intend to ask him to read my copy of the book.  He is very good to talk to and understands why I wanted to change from the synthetic Synthroid over to Westhroid which is a dessicated thyroid replacement.  I have been much happier taking the Westhroid.  

The book is an eye opener because it goes into the history of hypothyoidism treatment up to the present time.  There are symptoms he writes about that a person or young doctor might not even believe have anything to do with hypo.  Also, I was gratified he does not rely on the TSH since my own case was certainly not revealed in any of the TSH scores.  

Well, that's enough hype about that book, I guess.     I hope I haven't bored you with it.  It's just that it is very hard to get at the real truths in the matter of hypothyroidism and it's hard to go against the pharmaceutical mindset.
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I have recently been soaking up every bit of info I can find on thyroid woes. In my 'travels', I have found that many drs (or prob more NPs) are switching their patients to a natural thryoid ( ie Armour, Westhroid or Naturethroid - this last one does not have corn as a filler, the other 2 do)
So, since I was taking both... at an MD's recommendation...I stopped the synthetic and continued w/ the Armour. Until I can find a decent dr to see, I'll continue on this path unless I feel a dip in health (how low can ya go   )
The one thing I read re: taking both is that the synethic is usually backed off some and the natural added. My Dr didn't do that and at the time I didn't have the info, so........
I took my temp this morning and it was actually over 98, so that's good. It's usually around 97.3
I was doing a bit of squirming prior to taking my temp and did fall back asleep w/ the thermometer under my arm, so maybe that's not a true reading. Will see what tomorrow brings.  



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Italybound, the book I mentioned gives a lot of history so now I understand where Dr. Broda Barnes was coming from.  I never knew quite what to think about him before (just didn't have enough information).  Now, I'm convinced he was brilliant!!!

I did learn from that book I mentioned that thyroid supplies energy, cold weather takes energy to deal with and thus symptoms might be exacerbated by cold weather.  Well, who woulda thunk?!      No wonder I felt the Westhroid was not doing its job this winter.  Certainly couldn't lose any weight!!

Funny you should mention morning temperature.  I took mine for the first time this morning (I have a doctor appt. next week) and it read 95.8.  I thought that was rather stunning.    We'll see what it tells me the next few mornings!

Ah well, the things we learn in life!!!!!!  
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Italybound, the book I mentioned gives a lot of history so now I understand where Dr. Broda Barnes was coming from. ... Now, I'm convinced he was brilliant!!!

Funny you should mention morning temperature.... it read 95.8.


The books I'm reading mention him as well. I also went to his website and look around a bit. Didn't have a lot of time at the moment. But I'm w/ you........

95.8 = 96.8 if it's auxilary.........that's even lower than mine usually is!!       The book I read says to do 5 days in a row.  10 minutes under the arm.   I have trouble w/ that because I usually don't get up until Minka starts whining to go potty. Then it's too late.  
Guess I'll have ta suck it up and set my alarm for 5 days.      



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Ohmigosh, five days!  I thought this morning was the longest 10 minutes in the history of civilization!
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Ohmigosh, five days!  I thought this morning was the longest 10 minutes in the history of civilization!


yep, 5 days and then get your average by adding them together and dividing by 5.     I'm going to start over tomorrow. You're one day ahead of me. Now........don't you feel better?  



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yep, 5 days and then get your average by adding them together and dividing by 5.     I'm going to start over tomorrow. You're one day ahead of me. Now........don't you feel better?  


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NH Girl,
That's pretty low.  Thyroid can be one reason.  I think taking some other drugs for heart problems can also lower your temp.  I remember my father's temp was REALLY low but the thyroid tests came out normal.  I can't remember if it was from the Coumadin or something else.

I guess I'll have to check mine out and see what it reads.  Definitely need to get that book.
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Living in Colorado, I had lots of snow to plow.  Didn't mind the cold till about 4 to 5 years ago when I noticed how cold my extremeties were despite multi socks and gloves.  About same time peripheral neuropathy also kicked in and my walking was decreased  from say 9 miles to one mile thus my deduction that it was due to statins. Then took basal temp readings which were down in lower 96 range; now much improved.  Take CoQ10 - 3oo mg/day, flax oil, fishoil 2 grams/dy, and have recovered some of my energy and endurance.  Thus my admonition that you all look carefully at meds, vitamins and minerals.  Are they synergistic; On Dr. D's recommendation list; do I/you  really need them.  For instance grapefruit, which is a benny for us O's, is antagonistic to many drugs.  It might take some research but worth it.  The tip of my research pyramid is Dr. D's recommendations.  I am very grateful for Dr. D's generosity in sharing so freely of his knowledge and experience.  - Conrad
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conrad, great post!   welcome to BTD and the forums!         wonderful to know you're in such good health at 81.   



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Mine can be really low in the morning also.  When I was on that metoprolol tartrate, I had the lowest one ever at 94.8.  I've been free of that stuff for over a week now.  All is well so far.  But I still think my thyroid is not what it should be.  A lot of times when I take my temp, it is 97.3.


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I, too, have been having thyroid difficulties.  Just found a tumor, that after the biopsy, looks to be benign.  So will get it taken out soon.  What frustates me to no end, is that I have been asking my dr for almost 5 years to check for low thyroid function, after which she always says it is in the normal range.  I have felt awful, so much so that I thought something bad was going on. Lupus, cancer, who knows what.  I only have half a thyroid due to having it removed 23 years ago, and was on meds for 15 or more years, but after chemo 6 years ago, I was told that it was normal.  The last number was 5.5, and now I read that it should be 2 - 3 to be normal.  No wonder!  Now I guess I will wait to have it removed, and then they will prescribe what I need.  I am thinking that I will feel normal again!  Can't wait!


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Oh Trish, that is so frustrating.  I hope you do feel much better after having the other half removed!
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Thanks, I feel a bit better just due to the anticipation of it, ha!  Just can't wait to lose the weight!


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5.5 is high.  When you had the half taken out, was it due to cancer?  If it was, then 5.5 is REALLY high.  If you've had any thyroid malignancies, they usually have you on a suppressive dose to keep the TSH low so that the cancer won't come back.  Mine is below 1.
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I agree that 5.5 is really high.  No wonder you have been feeling so lousy.  I'm not very knowledeable about benign tumors so  I'm curious why the other half of your thyroid has to be removed?  Do you have a goiter?
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The new tumor is also benign. So here goes the other half.  The other half was taken out 23 years ago....


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Whoops, didn't notice that you said benign tumor.  5.5 is still quite high though.   I'm surprised that the doc took you off the meds although the reference ranges have changed.  They used to think that 5 was OK.   Now most docs think the most it should be is 3.
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That is why I am frustrated, I have had five years of feeling bad!  Guess I should have gone somewhere else. A couple of years ago I called an endocr. dr and was told that testing would cost hundreds of dollars, and since I had a high deductible, I did not go....


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I NEED HELP!!!

I am a 25/f, Type O, and I started the ER diet three months ago. I had done it before, and it had done wonders with my health and energy, but bad habits caught up with me and I dropped the ball. This time I completely gave up all of the "avoids" and created a well balanced diet with the beneficial/neutral foods.  Before I started the diet, I was having problems with fatigue, and I figured the diet would help (like last time).

However, three months into it (with the addition of exercise) and I feel awful. I feel so fatigued/ sleepy all of the time. It's hard for me to fall asleep, but after I do, I get about 9-10 hours of sleep and wake up feeling like it's not enough. I got muscle cramps after even the mildest exercise (walking to school), and I get winded when I do simple things like climb stairs. I feel like I should be the picture of perfect health: perfect diet, exercise, and vitamin supplements, but I just feel like I'm getting worse!

I have been to my primary doctor and she did a number of tests, ruling out heart and lung issues. My blood tests were "normal", with my TSH (thyroid level) at 2.67, and my glucose at an abnormally high 106 (fasting levels!). My other symptoms (other than fatigue) are constipation, minor bleeding between periods, muscle cramps, and a low body temperature (around 97.5+/- usually). I have the temperament and symptoms of depression (sadness, irritability, crying, inability of focus or concentrate), but something has to be causing it and the other symptoms too. All of these seem like thyroid issues, but according to my doc, my TSH level of 2.67 is normal. I've never had blood tests done before (always a very healthy gal), so I have no previous measurements to compare it with. And I can't get to an endo for more advanced thyroid function tests because they require a referral from a general practitioner.

With my diet and exercise, I feel like I should be doing so well. But something is wrong, and I can't figure it out. Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range? I'm going insane. I need energy to finish my school/degree!

Anyone with advice, please help. Thanks.
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Have you done the iodine self test?  Dip a cotton ball into USP Tincture of Iodine. Paint a 2 inch circle of iodine on the inner part of arm. If the yellowish stain disappears in < an hour; then you need iodine.

I eat Lavor Nori seaweed when my energy levels drop.  I get edgy when I eat certain foods.

You might have an allergic reaction to something.  Im trying to play detective on my own life these last 2 weeks.  My temperature dropped down to 95.1 deg F.  I was alone in a hotel room.


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try the diabetes book guidelines to get your levels back in balance

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED066S

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Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range?

Yes, TSH is just one way to test for it.  There is T3, T4, reverse T3 and Antithyroid globulin.  That's what my doctor tested for.  


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You absolutely could still have thyroid issues.  Ask your doctor to do a "full thyroid panel."
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I am age 81, o-non, hypothyroid, on levoxyl 100mcg, peripheral neuropathy which I BELIEVE WAS CAUSED BY TAKING STATINS TO LOWER CHOLESTEROL. which i independently stopped.  I also believe that the statins caused or contributed to my hypothyroidism.  Please be suspicious of all other meds or alternatives you may be taking.  In addition to taking daily Deflect, Polyvite, Polyflora & Polycal for type O's I also added a glandular supplement, one per day, which I obtain from Dr. Jonathan Wright, M.D., Tahoma Clinic, to supplement the Levoxyl.  Website:  Tahomaclinic.com. - I also check to be sure that I always receive Levoxyl and not some other generic.  Best wishes. - Conrad


Hi & Welcome Conrad,
Two years ago I read Dr. Wright's book "Why stomach is good for you".  It has helped me immensely through my stomach problems.  Whenever my doctor wanted me to suppress my stomach acid w/ prilosec & the likes, I refused.  I helped myself by following Dr. D's awesome eating plan.
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This THREAD was most interesting.. I read every line this morning .. and I have NO idea of what you all are talking about... BUT may I ask a question....

Have any of you tried to ADD Sups from NAP.(THE full protocol). and do you think that would even make sense.. and MIGHT it be so compliant that one could reduce other meds and stuff??  

I am just asking .. as I am looking at diabetes and I see the sups for that in a whole new light as of a few days ago.. what struck me was the .. progression of sups form one stage to the other in the diabetes book..

Now I don't even know if Nap has anything for Thyroid that would help but I am curious ..

I was doing a food plan that should have been helpful for my body status... but I think/tests show... it was not addressing my diabetes enough.. I am now switching to ALL diabetes (from DrD's book)  -just started so cant even comment on it--- but the SHOK is HOW much different it is from anything I ever ate until now--- in fact I don't even know how to cook these veggies-- they even look intimidating -- so I am just asking about NAP.. have you tried their protocol? Does it get to expensive?? Thanks everyone..  
  


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I went to an endo in the fall of 2008 and was told that my level was  3.3 or close to that and was normal. He had noticed some hair loss and was about to test T3 or T4, but I found out that none of my expensive tests or visits were being covered. Maybe I would have been treated more than a year earlier.

I was tested at 5.5 in December and then over 8 in January. There were some really cold days where I had to walk outside and that could have played a part in my troubles. One thing I found is that symptoms that I had been having for year and that I thought were attributable to a car accident in 2008 disappeared with the thyroid medication! Now that was totally unexpected, but very welcome.

I'm taking a compounded thyroid medication (natural) and my level is now 1.8. I feel a lot better and am losing very slowly now (about 2 pounds a month). It's better than being completely stalled, which I was for nearly 3 years. I notice that my hands are pretty warm now.
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Has anyone also had any issue with their prolactin levels, in addition or relating to their thyroid problems?  My OBGYN had my prolactin, T4-Free and TSH levels tested after I complained about having hot flashes (I'm 30). My prolactin came back high (44.7); t4 was in normal range and TSH was just above normal range (4.51).  He wants me to go see endocrinologist which I've put off because my health insurance is crappy and I pretty much have to pay for everything myself. I'll end up making an appointment and going but was just curious if anyone else had prolactin issues?
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Glad you are feeling better....even the 3.3 is still a little high.  The ranges were changed a few years ago.  Typically the TSH goes up a little in the winter but yours were really high!  
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I'm wondering whether having had a lot of toxins in my system, since I had been on the wrong diet (Teacher instead of Explorer) and I was definitely experiencing a lot of asthma from whatever was bothering me, could have really upset my thyroid. Someone had mentioned that detoxing was able to cure her thyroid issue, so maybe the Explorer diet along with the thyroid hormone will keep me in good shape. I think I'm on a pretty low dose. When I was at 5.5, my internist said that indicated I was borderline low.

I had been having trouble ever doing exercise because I would stay incredibly sore for days. Now I don't have that problem.

I guess having the test results go that high was what I needed to finally have the problem recognized and treated.

One thing about the weight loss is that I am eating based on hunger. My body isn't interested in any planned calorie restriction. I'm losing weight without consciously reducing my food intake--although when my readings were the highest there were times I was eating more than usual.
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Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range? I'm going insane. I need energy to finish my school/degree!

Anyone with advice, please help. Thanks.


According to my doctor my TSH was also within the "normal" range and I believed him until I read this book by a great endocro... thyroid doctor who said, that what doctors call normal is not normal for everyone. They should always look at your TSH in combination with your T3 and T4. How were those? Normal as well, or at the bottom of the normal range? My TSH was normal but my T4 was just within normal range. I believe that 5 is minimum, mine was 5.1. With a TSH in a high "normal" range, it's not normal.

Bottomline, they shouldn't check just one, they should check it in combination with your T3 and T4.

And reading the other problems you have I would say you have a thryroid problem. It could have been me writing that 7 years ago, when I started to have my thyroid problems. Go to a doctor who will take your problems seriously, stay compliant with this diet, it will safe you tremendous amounts of problems and heartache. Trust me, you don't want to drag around with hypothyroidism too long, things will only get worse.





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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogen here's a list of foods that lower thyroid activity

Dandelion greens, celery, parsley, alfafa, endive, escarole, watercress, fiddlehead ferns, beet greens, asparagus, tomatoes, peppers, aren't in the list and can be replaced with those goitrogen veggies in the list.
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Excess vitamin b6 usage causes loss of censes, numbness especially in hands and feet, spinal nerve damage, hyperthyroidism in the short term and hypothyroidism in the long term.

This site is from the experts of B Vitamins and they'll tell you what is right and what is wrong: http://www.acu-cell.com/bx2.html
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I don't know why, I don't know how but I'll give you a newer link: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1272867922/

Vitamin b6 can help with digestion of bad lectins maybe but too much of it causes worse results.
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If you also have numbness in hands and feet you can say you have b6 toxicity.

In doses above 2.5 mg a day people will first have their thyroid working more and some may even become hyperthyroid. After a time going on with the same dose your their thyroid activity lowers and some may become hypothyroid.

For full symptoms of lack and toxicity of b vitamins you can see this page:
http://www.acu-cell.com/bx2.html
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Forty years ago, I developed a goiter.  I was on a starvation diet and never ate fish.  It was suggested to me at the time to take kelp tablets.  I have done so and still do so.  My goiter has not grown and tests "normal".  I have not had a biopsy...I don't want to be cut into without good reason.  I think that I caused the goiter to form by my poor eating habits at that time.  Since I have been following Dr. D's "forum advise" since 2007.  I feel that unless the goiter changes in any manner, I will just continue to follow my Detox plan per my Swami & let it go at that.  The goiter has not shrinked nor has it grown so I feel like all is ok with me.  I welcome your thoughts and will consider every option suggested.    
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Rex,
I applaud you not having it surgically removed.  I had a "hot" nodule that supposed was causing me to be hyperthyroid, which was treated with radioactive iodine back around '97.  I think it came from stress, I had 5 kids in 7 years, and ate what I believed was healthy, but it was alot of wheat, grains,
dairy, etc.  Also, I think that where I lived at the time was may have had a toxicity issue, and also mercury exposure from a couple of sources.  I did go through a mercury detox in around '00.  Had old fillings removed first.  Apparently, that can hurt the thyroid, as much as eating wrong for your type can.  
But since that RAI treatment, I have had really dry skin, hair that falls easily, and I wonder if things would be different if I hadn't gone through that killing the thyroid treatment.  Not sure if synthroid is enough.  But I also wonder if these symptoms are just from still not eating as well as I should, the occasional coffee slips that I still have, not really healing my gut yet?  
As long as your hormone numbers are pretty normal, that's a good sign!    Focusing on detox is also
a good way to go!
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Paula O+   Thanks for your reply.  I did have many tests given by an endocrineologist who deemed my thyroid as functioning normally with no hot spots detected.  I was hoping that my thyroid would shrink & disappear since it was deemed as being normal but it's been with me for 40 years since I first noticed it so I guess it's here to stay.  If it remains dormant, I'll be satisfied.  You had 5 kids in 7 years...I had a similar experience, I had 4 in 5 1/2 years...my first was born when I was 20.  My oldest is now 50...time sure does fly.  Probably those oh so close pregnancies didn't help my thyroid any, especially since during that time with all the pregnancies I put myself on a very severe calorie restricted diet because I didn't want to gain weight.  How foolish I was then.  Luckily all my children were born healthy and are still healthy...I was very lucky.  The most I gained during my pregnancies was 10 pounds and I had some nice sized babies...they ranged from 6 lbs 12 oz to 8 lbs 12 oz.  As I said...I was very lucky.    
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Have a TPO antibody test.  This will determine if your have an autoimmune disease of the thyroid (Hashimoto's Thyroiditis).  TSH levels fluctuate throughout the day and this test is NOT a good indicator of thyroid hormone resistance.  This is the precursor to hypothyroidism.

Cortisol is what is produced by the adrenal glands and is what the body uses for energy.  Thyroid deficiency "drains" the cortisol and the adrenals have a hard time keeping up....thus adrenal fatigue.

Another huge factor in irregular menses and spotting is your progesterone level.  This is often overlooked and critical in hormonal balance.  Also, irregular female hormone levels can directly correlate to thyroid dysfunction.  

Sugar dysfunction (high and low sugar surges) also correlate to the adrenals and cortisol levels.  

Why do I know these things....I live it.  It's an extremely delicate balance.  I'm following my GTD and working with a local Naturopath for fine tuning.

Hang in there, don't give up looking for answers or let some narrowminded Endocrinologist determine how you feel.  
Good luck~!
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I also wonder if these symptoms are just from still not eating as well as I should, the occasional coffee slips that I still have, not really healing my gut yet?  


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Rennie...thanks...I do have a good nurse practitioner lined up.  I'll let her evaluate my condition...she is very sympathetic to Dr. D's ideas and I look forward to speaking with her.
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All the people with returning tyroid problems who used "Vitamin B6"(or it's other names Pyridoxine, P-5-P, Pyridoxal 5'-phosphate) in a supplement that didn't contain the same amount of vitamin B2(or it's other name Riboflavin)

Highest acceptable ratio of Vitamin B6 to Vitamin B2 isn't more than 6/5 for daily usage.
Most diets provide a higher ratio of these vitamins, that's why I say same.
I don't suggest anyone to use a higher ratio of these vitamins.

I suggest you to use Vitamin B2. Supplements with high vitamin B2 and low vitamin b6 may work also.
For example Bayer's Becozyme-C forte supplies 10 mg of B6 and 15 mg of B2, ratio is 2/3, nearly equal to 0.67, it has significantly more vit b2 than vit b6. It is probably easy to find, for example in a pharmacy, and it will help slowly. Use it once a day until you no longer feel any numbness.
You may experience some numbness, especially while waking from sleep but that's how you're gonna heal. In time, it'll be harder for you to experience numbness in day. For example sitting in a particular position, your legs won't be easily numb as before.

If you have symptoms of overdose/toxicity/negative side effects of included vitamins, stop using and consult a doctor.
Those symptoms are written here http://www.acu-cell.com/bx2.html
If you think already have a symptom of overdose/toxicity/negative side effects of an included vitamin in the supplement you choose, even if it's slight, try to find another one without that vitamin or consult a doctor.

You can increase consumption of water buffalo, sheep or goat milk, or products of them. Use them preferably with whole fat if you have joint problems and not a cholesterol problem that you can't deal with diet.
The fat keeps calcification away.
Excess vit b6 causes spinal nerve damage. You can use some chia or flax seeds or camelina oil, omega 3s will help formation of new nerve cells and increase your good cholesterol.
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You can use a small piece of natural yeast.
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Zebu, yak or certified A2 milk are also acceptable. Your condition can improve by eating 2 or more portion of these milk products slowly.

As you can see from the web page hypothyroidism is a result of overdose/toxicity/negative side effect of vitamin B6. Following this guideline you can treat yourself.
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I'm correcting, I said you may experience some numbness, especially while waking from sleep but it can be more like a mild pain.

Too much yeast can cause yeast overgrowth. General suggested use is maximum 5 grams a day.

Source Naturals and Nature's Way brands have high-potency riboflavin supplements and they sound as if they are gmo-free. One capsule has only 100 mg riboflavin. One box of one of them will probably be more than enough.
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