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erica_danielle125
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I NEED HELP!!!

I am a 25/f, Type O, and I started the ER diet three months ago. I had done it before, and it had done wonders with my health and energy, but bad habits caught up with me and I dropped the ball. This time I completely gave up all of the "avoids" and created a well balanced diet with the beneficial/neutral foods.  Before I started the diet, I was having problems with fatigue, and I figured the diet would help (like last time).

However, three months into it (with the addition of exercise) and I feel awful. I feel so fatigued/ sleepy all of the time. It's hard for me to fall asleep, but after I do, I get about 9-10 hours of sleep and wake up feeling like it's not enough. I got muscle cramps after even the mildest exercise (walking to school), and I get winded when I do simple things like climb stairs. I feel like I should be the picture of perfect health: perfect diet, exercise, and vitamin supplements, but I just feel like I'm getting worse!

I have been to my primary doctor and she did a number of tests, ruling out heart and lung issues. My blood tests were "normal", with my TSH (thyroid level) at 2.67, and my glucose at an abnormally high 106 (fasting levels!). My other symptoms (other than fatigue) are constipation, minor bleeding between periods, muscle cramps, and a low body temperature (around 97.5+/- usually). I have the temperament and symptoms of depression (sadness, irritability, crying, inability of focus or concentrate), but something has to be causing it and the other symptoms too. All of these seem like thyroid issues, but according to my doc, my TSH level of 2.67 is normal. I've never had blood tests done before (always a very healthy gal), so I have no previous measurements to compare it with. And I can't get to an endo for more advanced thyroid function tests because they require a referral from a general practitioner.

With my diet and exercise, I feel like I should be doing so well. But something is wrong, and I can't figure it out. Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range? I'm going insane. I need energy to finish my school/degree!

Anyone with advice, please help. Thanks.
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Have you done the iodine self test?  Dip a cotton ball into USP Tincture of Iodine. Paint a 2 inch circle of iodine on the inner part of arm. If the yellowish stain disappears in < an hour; then you need iodine.

I eat Lavor Nori seaweed when my energy levels drop.  I get edgy when I eat certain foods.

You might have an allergic reaction to something.  Iím trying to play detective on my own life these last 2 weeks.  My temperature dropped down to 95.1 deg F.  I was alone in a hotel room.


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try the diabetes book guidelines to get your levels back in balance

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED066S

or chose any of the 8 titles in the health series books you think might help you more
http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=19

or take a plunge into the GTD and get the ultimate in personalized nutrition!
you have a great journey ahead of you.....you will feel better in no time!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range?

Yes, TSH is just one way to test for it.  There is T3, T4, reverse T3 and Antithyroid globulin.  That's what my doctor tested for.  


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You absolutely could still have thyroid issues.  Ask your doctor to do a "full thyroid panel."
Jane
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I am age 81, o-non, hypothyroid, on levoxyl 100mcg, peripheral neuropathy which I BELIEVE WAS CAUSED BY TAKING STATINS TO LOWER CHOLESTEROL. which i independently stopped.  I also believe that the statins caused or contributed to my hypothyroidism.  Please be suspicious of all other meds or alternatives you may be taking.  In addition to taking daily Deflect, Polyvite, Polyflora & Polycal for type O's I also added a glandular supplement, one per day, which I obtain from Dr. Jonathan Wright, M.D., Tahoma Clinic, to supplement the Levoxyl.  Website:  Tahomaclinic.com. - I also check to be sure that I always receive Levoxyl and not some other generic.  Best wishes. - Conrad


Hi & Welcome Conrad,
Two years ago I read Dr. Wright's book "Why stomach is good for you".  It has helped me immensely through my stomach problems.  Whenever my doctor wanted me to suppress my stomach acid w/ prilosec & the likes, I refused.  I helped myself by following Dr. D's awesome eating plan.
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This THREAD was most interesting.. I read every line this morning .. and I have NO idea of what you all are talking about... BUT may I ask a question....

Have any of you tried to ADD Sups from NAP.(THE full protocol). and do you think that would even make sense.. and MIGHT it be so compliant that one could reduce other meds and stuff??  

I am just asking .. as I am looking at diabetes and I see the sups for that in a whole new light as of a few days ago.. what struck me was the .. progression of sups form one stage to the other in the diabetes book..

Now I don't even know if Nap has anything for Thyroid that would help but I am curious ..

I was doing a food plan that should have been helpful for my body status... but I think/tests show... it was not addressing my diabetes enough.. I am now switching to ALL diabetes (from DrD's book)  -just started so cant even comment on it--- but the SHOK is HOW much different it is from anything I ever ate until now--- in fact I don't even know how to cook these veggies-- they even look intimidating -- so I am just asking about NAP.. have you tried their protocol? Does it get to expensive?? Thanks everyone..  
  


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I went to an endo in the fall of 2008 and was told that my level was  3.3 or close to that and was normal. He had noticed some hair loss and was about to test T3 or T4, but I found out that none of my expensive tests or visits were being covered. Maybe I would have been treated more than a year earlier.

I was tested at 5.5 in December and then over 8 in January. There were some really cold days where I had to walk outside and that could have played a part in my troubles. One thing I found is that symptoms that I had been having for year and that I thought were attributable to a car accident in 2008 disappeared with the thyroid medication! Now that was totally unexpected, but very welcome.

I'm taking a compounded thyroid medication (natural) and my level is now 1.8. I feel a lot better and am losing very slowly now (about 2 pounds a month). It's better than being completely stalled, which I was for nearly 3 years. I notice that my hands are pretty warm now.
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Has anyone also had any issue with their prolactin levels, in addition or relating to their thyroid problems?  My OBGYN had my prolactin, T4-Free and TSH levels tested after I complained about having hot flashes (I'm 30). My prolactin came back high (44.7); t4 was in normal range and TSH was just above normal range (4.51).  He wants me to go see endocrinologist which I've put off because my health insurance is crappy and I pretty much have to pay for everything myself. I'll end up making an appointment and going but was just curious if anyone else had prolactin issues?
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Glad you are feeling better....even the 3.3 is still a little high.  The ranges were changed a few years ago.  Typically the TSH goes up a little in the winter but yours were really high!  
Jane
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I'm wondering whether having had a lot of toxins in my system, since I had been on the wrong diet (Teacher instead of Explorer) and I was definitely experiencing a lot of asthma from whatever was bothering me, could have really upset my thyroid. Someone had mentioned that detoxing was able to cure her thyroid issue, so maybe the Explorer diet along with the thyroid hormone will keep me in good shape. I think I'm on a pretty low dose. When I was at 5.5, my internist said that indicated I was borderline low.

I had been having trouble ever doing exercise because I would stay incredibly sore for days. Now I don't have that problem.

I guess having the test results go that high was what I needed to finally have the problem recognized and treated.

One thing about the weight loss is that I am eating based on hunger. My body isn't interested in any planned calorie restriction. I'm losing weight without consciously reducing my food intake--although when my readings were the highest there were times I was eating more than usual.
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drbygrrl.
follow the menopause book!
excellent!
find out your secretor status to pinpoint the plan according to your physiology!


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yeah I know, you re young.....but still, hormones are hormones, you know>??


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Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range? I'm going insane. I need energy to finish my school/degree!

Anyone with advice, please help. Thanks.


According to my doctor my TSH was also within the "normal" range and I believed him until I read this book by a great endocro... thyroid doctor who said, that what doctors call normal is not normal for everyone. They should always look at your TSH in combination with your T3 and T4. How were those? Normal as well, or at the bottom of the normal range? My TSH was normal but my T4 was just within normal range. I believe that 5 is minimum, mine was 5.1. With a TSH in a high "normal" range, it's not normal.

Bottomline, they shouldn't check just one, they should check it in combination with your T3 and T4.

And reading the other problems you have I would say you have a thryroid problem. It could have been me writing that 7 years ago, when I started to have my thyroid problems. Go to a doctor who will take your problems seriously, stay compliant with this diet, it will safe you tremendous amounts of problems and heartache. Trust me, you don't want to drag around with hypothyroidism too long, things will only get worse.





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http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1272779701/ about dadamo's multivitamin, too much b6 and hypothyroidism
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogen here's a list of foods that lower thyroid activity

Dandelion greens, celery, parsley, alfafa, endive, escarole, watercress, fiddlehead ferns, beet greens, asparagus, tomatoes, peppers, aren't in the list and can be replaced with those goitrogen veggies in the list.
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Excess vitamin b6 usage causes loss of censes, numbness especially in hands and feet, spinal nerve damage, hyperthyroidism in the short term and hypothyroidism in the long term.

This site is from the experts of B Vitamins and they'll tell you what is right and what is wrong: http://www.acu-cell.com/bx2.html
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I don't know why, I don't know how but I'll give you a newer link: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1272867922/

Vitamin b6 can help with digestion of bad lectins maybe but too much of it causes worse results.
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If you also have numbness in hands and feet you can say you have b6 toxicity.

In doses above 2.5 mg a day people will first have their thyroid working more and some may even become hyperthyroid. After a time going on with the same dose your their thyroid activity lowers and some may become hypothyroid.

For full symptoms of lack and toxicity of b vitamins you can see this page:
http://www.acu-cell.com/bx2.html
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Forty years ago, I developed a goiter.  I was on a starvation diet and never ate fish.  It was suggested to me at the time to take kelp tablets.  I have done so and still do so.  My goiter has not grown and tests "normal".  I have not had a biopsy...I don't want to be cut into without good reason.  I think that I caused the goiter to form by my poor eating habits at that time.  Since I have been following Dr. D's "forum advise" since 2007.  I feel that unless the goiter changes in any manner, I will just continue to follow my Detox plan per my Swami & let it go at that.  The goiter has not shrinked nor has it grown so I feel like all is ok with me.  I welcome your thoughts and will consider every option suggested.    
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Rex,
I applaud you not having it surgically removed.  I had a "hot" nodule that supposed was causing me to be hyperthyroid, which was treated with radioactive iodine back around '97.  I think it came from stress, I had 5 kids in 7 years, and ate what I believed was healthy, but it was alot of wheat, grains,
dairy, etc.  Also, I think that where I lived at the time was may have had a toxicity issue, and also mercury exposure from a couple of sources.  I did go through a mercury detox in around '00.  Had old fillings removed first.  Apparently, that can hurt the thyroid, as much as eating wrong for your type can.  
But since that RAI treatment, I have had really dry skin, hair that falls easily, and I wonder if things would be different if I hadn't gone through that killing the thyroid treatment.  Not sure if synthroid is enough.  But I also wonder if these symptoms are just from still not eating as well as I should, the occasional coffee slips that I still have, not really healing my gut yet?  
As long as your hormone numbers are pretty normal, that's a good sign!    Focusing on detox is also
a good way to go!
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Paula O+   Thanks for your reply.  I did have many tests given by an endocrineologist who deemed my thyroid as functioning normally with no hot spots detected.  I was hoping that my thyroid would shrink & disappear since it was deemed as being normal but it's been with me for 40 years since I first noticed it so I guess it's here to stay.  If it remains dormant, I'll be satisfied.  You had 5 kids in 7 years...I had a similar experience, I had 4 in 5 1/2 years...my first was born when I was 20.  My oldest is now 50...time sure does fly.  Probably those oh so close pregnancies didn't help my thyroid any, especially since during that time with all the pregnancies I put myself on a very severe calorie restricted diet because I didn't want to gain weight.  How foolish I was then.  Luckily all my children were born healthy and are still healthy...I was very lucky.  The most I gained during my pregnancies was 10 pounds and I had some nice sized babies...they ranged from 6 lbs 12 oz to 8 lbs 12 oz.  As I said...I was very lucky.    
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Have a TPO antibody test.  This will determine if your have an autoimmune disease of the thyroid (Hashimoto's Thyroiditis).  TSH levels fluctuate throughout the day and this test is NOT a good indicator of thyroid hormone resistance.  This is the precursor to hypothyroidism.

Cortisol is what is produced by the adrenal glands and is what the body uses for energy.  Thyroid deficiency "drains" the cortisol and the adrenals have a hard time keeping up....thus adrenal fatigue.

Another huge factor in irregular menses and spotting is your progesterone level.  This is often overlooked and critical in hormonal balance.  Also, irregular female hormone levels can directly correlate to thyroid dysfunction.  

Sugar dysfunction (high and low sugar surges) also correlate to the adrenals and cortisol levels.  

Why do I know these things....I live it.  It's an extremely delicate balance.  I'm following my GTD and working with a local Naturopath for fine tuning.

Hang in there, don't give up looking for answers or let some narrowminded Endocrinologist determine how you feel.  
Good luck~!
Rennie


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