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NewHampshireGirl
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Pat,
I think your friend had it backwards.  Calcium can inhibit the uptake of the thyroid hormone.
That's why you are supposed to wait at least 4 hours after you take the thyroid meds to take your calcium.  I now take the thy. meds in the morning and my Cal-Mag-Zinc before bed.
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I agree.  I take my calcium early afternoon and at bedtime.  Chewable, because who can swallow those gigantic pills!!!!  
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Jane thanks for straightening me out on the thyroid/calcium thing   



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You're welcome.
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I don't have any trouble with the size of the pills so I take them at night before bed.
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NH Girl,
I don't have any trouble with the size of the pills so I take them at night before bed.
Jane


Jane, you are so lucky!  The two kinds I gave up trying to swallow are calcium and magnesium pills so now I have chewable calcium citrate and magnesium citrate powder.   Really, such a relief there are alternatives.  
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I am age 81, o-non, hypothyroid, on levoxyl 100mcg, peripheral neuropathy which I BELIEVE WAS CAUSED BY TAKING STATINS TO LOWER CHOLESTEROL. which i independently stopped.  I also believe that the statins caused or contributed to my hypothyroidism.  Please be suspicious of all other meds or alternatives you may be taking.  In addition to taking daily Deflect, Polyvite, Polyflora & Polycal for type O's I also added a glandular supplement, one per day, which I obtain from Dr. Jonathan Wright, M.D., Tahoma Clinic, to supplement the Levoxyl.  Website:  Tahomaclinic.com. - I also check to be sure that I always receive Levoxyl and not some other generic.  Best wishes. - Conrad
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I am age 81, o-non, hypothyroid, on levoxyl 100mcg, peripheral neuropathy which I BELIEVE WAS CAUSED BY TAKING STATINS TO LOWER CHOLESTEROL. which i independently stopped.  I also believe that the statins caused or contributed to my hypothyroidism.  Please be suspicious of all other meds or alternatives you may be taking.  In addition to taking daily Deflect, Polyvite, Polyflora & Polycal for type O's I also added a glandular supplement, one per day, which I obtain from Dr. Jonathan Wright, M.D., Tahoma Clinic, to supplement the Levoxyl.  Website:  Tahomaclinic.com. - I also check to be sure that I always receive Levoxyl and not some other generic.  Best wishes. - Conrad


Welcome, Conrad!

That's very insightful of you, Conrad, to notice these things and to be your own detective with hypothyroidism.  Statins certainly may cause muscle aches since it uses your body's source of COQ-10 and that's why many doctors ask their patients to take COQ-10 supplements.  There is a book I believe you will want to read called "Hypothyroidism Type 2" by Mark Starr, M.D.   It's real eye opener about hypothyroidism.  You can read about it on Amazon.com.  I will be seeing my doctor for a physical next week and I intend to ask him to read my copy of the book.  He is very good to talk to and understands why I wanted to change from the synthetic Synthroid over to Westhroid which is a dessicated thyroid replacement.  I have been much happier taking the Westhroid.  

The book is an eye opener because it goes into the history of hypothyoidism treatment up to the present time.  There are symptoms he writes about that a person or young doctor might not even believe have anything to do with hypo.  Also, I was gratified he does not rely on the TSH since my own case was certainly not revealed in any of the TSH scores.  

Well, that's enough hype about that book, I guess.     I hope I haven't bored you with it.  It's just that it is very hard to get at the real truths in the matter of hypothyroidism and it's hard to go against the pharmaceutical mindset.
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I have recently been soaking up every bit of info I can find on thyroid woes. In my 'travels', I have found that many drs (or prob more NPs) are switching their patients to a natural thryoid ( ie Armour, Westhroid or Naturethroid - this last one does not have corn as a filler, the other 2 do)
So, since I was taking both... at an MD's recommendation...I stopped the synthetic and continued w/ the Armour. Until I can find a decent dr to see, I'll continue on this path unless I feel a dip in health (how low can ya go   )
The one thing I read re: taking both is that the synethic is usually backed off some and the natural added. My Dr didn't do that and at the time I didn't have the info, so........
I took my temp this morning and it was actually over 98, so that's good. It's usually around 97.3
I was doing a bit of squirming prior to taking my temp and did fall back asleep w/ the thermometer under my arm, so maybe that's not a true reading. Will see what tomorrow brings.  



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Italybound, the book I mentioned gives a lot of history so now I understand where Dr. Broda Barnes was coming from.  I never knew quite what to think about him before (just didn't have enough information).  Now, I'm convinced he was brilliant!!!

I did learn from that book I mentioned that thyroid supplies energy, cold weather takes energy to deal with and thus symptoms might be exacerbated by cold weather.  Well, who woulda thunk?!      No wonder I felt the Westhroid was not doing its job this winter.  Certainly couldn't lose any weight!!

Funny you should mention morning temperature.  I took mine for the first time this morning (I have a doctor appt. next week) and it read 95.8.  I thought that was rather stunning.    We'll see what it tells me the next few mornings!

Ah well, the things we learn in life!!!!!!  
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Italybound, the book I mentioned gives a lot of history so now I understand where Dr. Broda Barnes was coming from. ... Now, I'm convinced he was brilliant!!!

Funny you should mention morning temperature.... it read 95.8.


The books I'm reading mention him as well. I also went to his website and look around a bit. Didn't have a lot of time at the moment. But I'm w/ you........

95.8 = 96.8 if it's auxilary.........that's even lower than mine usually is!!       The book I read says to do 5 days in a row.  10 minutes under the arm.   I have trouble w/ that because I usually don't get up until Minka starts whining to go potty. Then it's too late.  
Guess I'll have ta suck it up and set my alarm for 5 days.      



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Ohmigosh, five days!  I thought this morning was the longest 10 minutes in the history of civilization!
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Ohmigosh, five days!  I thought this morning was the longest 10 minutes in the history of civilization!


yep, 5 days and then get your average by adding them together and dividing by 5.     I'm going to start over tomorrow. You're one day ahead of me. Now........don't you feel better?  



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yep, 5 days and then get your average by adding them together and dividing by 5.     I'm going to start over tomorrow. You're one day ahead of me. Now........don't you feel better?  


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conrad,
welcome!
you seem to be doing great, keep it up!


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NH Girl,
That's pretty low.  Thyroid can be one reason.  I think taking some other drugs for heart problems can also lower your temp.  I remember my father's temp was REALLY low but the thyroid tests came out normal.  I can't remember if it was from the Coumadin or something else.

I guess I'll have to check mine out and see what it reads.  Definitely need to get that book.
Jane
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Living in Colorado, I had lots of snow to plow.  Didn't mind the cold till about 4 to 5 years ago when I noticed how cold my extremeties were despite multi socks and gloves.  About same time peripheral neuropathy also kicked in and my walking was decreased  from say 9 miles to one mile thus my deduction that it was due to statins. Then took basal temp readings which were down in lower 96 range; now much improved.  Take CoQ10 - 3oo mg/day, flax oil, fishoil 2 grams/dy, and have recovered some of my energy and endurance.  Thus my admonition that you all look carefully at meds, vitamins and minerals.  Are they synergistic; On Dr. D's recommendation list; do I/you  really need them.  For instance grapefruit, which is a benny for us O's, is antagonistic to many drugs.  It might take some research but worth it.  The tip of my research pyramid is Dr. D's recommendations.  I am very grateful for Dr. D's generosity in sharing so freely of his knowledge and experience.  - Conrad
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conrad, great post!   welcome to BTD and the forums!         wonderful to know you're in such good health at 81.   



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Mine can be really low in the morning also.  When I was on that metoprolol tartrate, I had the lowest one ever at 94.8.  I've been free of that stuff for over a week now.  All is well so far.  But I still think my thyroid is not what it should be.  A lot of times when I take my temp, it is 97.3.


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I, too, have been having thyroid difficulties.  Just found a tumor, that after the biopsy, looks to be benign.  So will get it taken out soon.  What frustates me to no end, is that I have been asking my dr for almost 5 years to check for low thyroid function, after which she always says it is in the normal range.  I have felt awful, so much so that I thought something bad was going on. Lupus, cancer, who knows what.  I only have half a thyroid due to having it removed 23 years ago, and was on meds for 15 or more years, but after chemo 6 years ago, I was told that it was normal.  The last number was 5.5, and now I read that it should be 2 - 3 to be normal.  No wonder!  Now I guess I will wait to have it removed, and then they will prescribe what I need.  I am thinking that I will feel normal again!  Can't wait!


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Oh Trish, that is so frustrating.  I hope you do feel much better after having the other half removed!
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Thanks, I feel a bit better just due to the anticipation of it, ha!  Just can't wait to lose the weight!


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5.5 is high.  When you had the half taken out, was it due to cancer?  If it was, then 5.5 is REALLY high.  If you've had any thyroid malignancies, they usually have you on a suppressive dose to keep the TSH low so that the cancer won't come back.  Mine is below 1.
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I agree that 5.5 is really high.  No wonder you have been feeling so lousy.  I'm not very knowledeable about benign tumors so  I'm curious why the other half of your thyroid has to be removed?  Do you have a goiter?
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The new tumor is also benign. So here goes the other half.  The other half was taken out 23 years ago....


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Whoops, didn't notice that you said benign tumor.  5.5 is still quite high though.   I'm surprised that the doc took you off the meds although the reference ranges have changed.  They used to think that 5 was OK.   Now most docs think the most it should be is 3.
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That is why I am frustrated, I have had five years of feeling bad!  Guess I should have gone somewhere else. A couple of years ago I called an endocr. dr and was told that testing would cost hundreds of dollars, and since I had a high deductible, I did not go....


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