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yaman
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Funkymuse,

Thank you for that post! Not only touching, but also truly teaching.

Thanks again,
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Dr. D, Yaman... thank you kindly for your comments!  Never thought you'd chime in Dr. D!  One never knows when you are lurking!    

From my experience, we learn best from telling our stories to one another.  That is something that is greatly lacking in our society I feel.  And it comes much from the older people/Elders being cast aside in a large part by media and youth.  And youth can't help it, they follow the media for the most part.  

Anyway... before I get on another tirade, I will shut up and let this thread continue on it's cancer path.          
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FM,
you did your best.....anyone in your position would certainly do the same, or to the best of their ability.
thanks for sharing this powerful testimonial with us all!


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FM,
you did your best.....anyone in your position would certainly do the same, or to the best of their ability.
thanks for sharing this powerful testimonial with us all!


Thanks Lola... one never knows how they are going to react when a loved on gets ill or even ones own body.  It's a trying time and brings out our strengths and weaknesses all at once.  But we do the best we can and if we are unable to do certain things, I would hope a team of support would come in to assist.  That's really what we humans do best.. is help one another... as greatly evidenced by this board.  
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Thank you Funkymuse, for sharing your story with us. I was going to post something in a similar vein, but you said it much more eloquently than I ever could have.

And I agree that telling our stories is one of the most powerful tools for healing and wholeness... both for the teller and for the listener.


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with all I saw dearest mikeo
I still would opt for no radiation and no chemo !!!


Isa, I agree with you 100%. I guess that would be where Dr. D and I would lock horns. My mother had a brain tumor..First she had surgery for removal of the tumor, and then she got  radiation and chemo, after I begged her not to.  When she died a year later, the doctor told my sister that the cancer never came back after the surgical removal and that the radiation killed her. No thank you on radiation and chemo. Just my HO.

Sorry about your husband funkymuse..
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Does anyone know of a case where chemo/radiation helped?
My father's cancer was too far along, so they didn't try it. Of my two aunts... one opted for the treatments and suffered greatly from them, the other did not. Both died from the cancer in about the same length of time from diagnosis.

I understand the science is constantly being refined, and that there are new treatments that are more specifically targeted.... and that each case is different....

But I don't recall any cases where the treatment cured the cancer without destroying the health of the patient in the process... Has anyone taken these therapies and survived with any quality of life?


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ahem... ......that's what I was mentioning....

sorry this might be cruel... but also my advaita teacher told me once.... Isssssaaaa...if you believe in Karma...so ther's Karma...but if you don't believe in Karma...so there's no Karma....
ahem yessss.... what shall.. should I've had to believe.... ....
I am sure that our mind can do much more for us that we can/will be able to imagine right now.... (lurke for the L.Hay's issues' as
well !!   ) but not negelect your body needs!!! And no institution can tell you what your body needs in certain circumstances....!
from Isa


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Hi I remember a  young ( 29 years old) Sicilian lady from Taormina, she went to my father, an oncologist, pregnant and with poor hopes to survive to give birth  to her baby beacuse of  a Hodgkin Lymphoma, according to the Italian and German center where she had looked for help.
She received a soft treatment not to harm her baby and gave birth to a healthy baby girl, married the father of her daughter and is still healthy today  with a 8 years granddaughter, beautiful as she is.
A frend of me had a breast cancer with her second child a daughter 3 years old and received conventional surgical and chemioterapic treatment four year ago. She is working in a wonderful cultural fiundation and follow well  her family with tw chidren and an husband.

Radiotherapy is no more always golden standard for breast cancer  so you can refuse it wisely in most cases, but chemotherapy has saved nearly all Hodgkin lymphomas, the most of children leukemias and  a good number of breast cancer, the most if early detected.
Chemotherapy was one of the greatest advancements in tumors treatment of the last fifty years and  we'd just need such advancements to beat cancer, when it has overwhelmed our immune system. To prevent and to heal the damages and to avoid relapses and metastasis in the long run after or together with conventional treatment I just trust Dr D.
If I had a cancer not detected in the earliest stadium I'd try a good convetional oncology center, as I could discuss with the doctors and refuse treatments no more useful or without the best results, as really if I had just some months of life and not best hopes from a treatment, I'd choose  just pain management too.
I remember  the first children treated successfully  for leukemia playing on the stairs of my father workplace, as there was not yet a pediatric oncohematology unit 35 year ago.
Please believe it is just  that in every job the best are few, but look for the best oncologists, if you have a full blown cancer, as Dr D. says !
Maria Giovanna ( may be oncologist today if my father would have been familistic and authoutarian !)


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I would say that, as far as stress being a contributor to cancer goes, this has, in my eyes, become an exponentially more treacherous and rotten world during just my lifetime, and people who just can't fit into that piggish dynamic seem to have a harder time of things.

It's very, very hard to live in the world today and, contrary to popular dismissals to the contrary, I really don't think life has ever been quite this stressful and treacherous before.  If stress is a major player in cancer, I'm not surprised to see cancer on the upswing.
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Interesting day. I went into the office as a favor to see an ND who is battling gliobastoma brain cancer. In the course of the discussion his wife mentioned that another naturopath, John McMahon, died this February from colon cancer. Dr. McMahon, some of you might remember, wrote that criticism of the BTD, calling it a scam, etc. He was a vegan, and like some sort of super athlete or whatever. He was type O and 50 years old.

He preceptored with me and my father many years ago when I was first out of school and he and his wife were still students, and until I read that negative review I would have thought that we were friends. The office he shared with his wife is a quarter mile down the road from my clinic.

This has certainly left me somewhat twisted up.  I hope that wherever he is he has found some happiness and peace.

  


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Who is the famous bicycle guy who beat cancer?

Didn't he have chemo and radiation?  I couldn't finish reading his story because it bit my heart that he survived and my man didn't.  I know it was mean, but I was fresh from the death and threw the book across the room.  
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He preceptored with me and my father many years ago when I was first out of school and he and his wife were still students, and until I read that negative review I would have thought that we were friends. The office he shared with his wife is a quarter mile down the road from my clinic.

This has certainly left me somewhat twisted up.  I hopeSorr that wherever he is he has found some happiness and peace.
Sorry to hear of your loss.  It's always just painful to lose both friendship and friends.  
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Something Armstrong.  Armstrong?  Is that his name?


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Who is the famous bicycle guy who beat cancer?


Lance Armstrong...

I'm not sure what treatment protocol he followed except that he did lots of riding during the recovery.


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FM:  Perhaps your husband's cancer was too far along. But I bet all that good care & diet made that last year so much more comfortable!
Dr D.:  So sorry to hear of the loss of a friend & the sadness of his critcism of the diet.  It seems that vagetarian Os can be pretty stubborn.
Thank you for your work. Even the sad losses vindicate the diet. I see that a lot.
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I imagine that the worst thing vegetarian O's do, is that they eat wheat and corn products, because they're plant-derived.  

I suppose the not eating meat is not nearly as bad, on its own, as eating the wheat and corn products... especially if that also meant avoiding dairy.

But God help this guy if part of his definition of "non-meat" is dairy, and if he's eating no meat whatsoever, but indiscriminate amounts of wheat, corn, and dairy products, because he's some variant of "vegetarian".

I shudder to think of it.  It's the precisely perfect formula for total disaster... the direct antithesis of a proper "O" diet.

They say you can judge a tree by the fruit it bears... so I suppose the fruit of an obstinate tree that refuses to question its beliefs might, regrettably, be death.

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Lance Armstrong...

I'm not sure what treatment protocol he followed except that he did lots of riding during the recovery.


The beginning of the book talks about how harsh his treatment was and how he could barely function... so I'm sure it must have been further along in the treatment!  

He's a great poster man for cancer and hope is very very important for those facing long term recovery even if the Doctors still don't know much which is what the Doctor told my friend Laurie (who was there to help me with my husband and who had lost her song after a 2 year cancer battle).  She cornered him and he admitted that they still don't know much about this disease.
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I guess they don't read the alternative stuff.  There's plenty out there.


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Isn't lance Armstrong the alleged biggest cheat in cycling.

Eventually the buck stops.


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I never saw any ca-client capable to go for such sports while being in a conventional anti-cancer-treatment..sorry here begun the fake but no-one remarked it at time...amazing amazing how silly we all can be by times .....


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Fungus is actually smarter than cancer. Cancer isn't a network of neuron-awareness. In fact if I understand it, it is about the dumbest tissue ever. It doesn't evolve. Again if I get it, cancer is just confused transcriptions of unnecessary mass growth. The relation seems to be that it is opportunistic. It is always willing to send confused transcriptions in order to keep going; the definition of cancer being unwarranted cell growth that repeats itself for no apparent reason other than the information says to do it again. Cancer, doesn't have the incentive for self replication for existence; it isn't that smart. It is more target-able than things that do. But it is very dangerous because it is large, large like growth of tissue, organs, skin, etc. It also doesn't necessarily appear as a foreign invade since it has mostly your original DNA.

Dr. D'Adamo's treatment approach. First improved immune system. Next is providing good nutrients needed for proper cell-replication (functions of histone formulation, and methylation). Also factors of preventing interference for those susceptible (heavy metals, bacteria, misplaced sugars, etc). The teacher diet advocates consuming a lot in order to get necessarily nutrients, while doing a lot aid the immune system to not have to deal with rather small issue and actually concentrate on the big boys like cancer. (at least as it appears to me)

Maybe my understanding isn't what I think it is, but the only thing needed for cancer is a lowered surveillance system that allows the circumstances that 'feed' an undesirable action. Once the transcription is off in the original cell, reaction to the marginally-off RNA transcriptions that maybe lack histone foundation or straight up have inappropriate methylation - lack of foundation, lack of nutrients, or too much interference? my guesses, probably different between phenotypes - has a re-occurring affect to designed replication while de-designating place/replacement. It can be confused enough to send packages that can spread through the body instead of localized growth. The danger is lack of intent in the cancer (it is stupid, and evolutionarily speaking worthless towards self-survival tactics as it doesn't gain preference via replication avenues).

I just read this .

Is this fellow onto something? Well perhaps, but not in the way he believes? What if his approaches are preventing the randomized spread and not specifically "attacking" or acting as strong enough polarized chemical reactions in order to destroy cancer. Also it might scrub out some of the precursors.

Honestly the color thing doesn't mean much because the cells are un-designated, purposeless, mass that often doesn't even stick together. Don't think he is onto anything here.

RNA confusion? Does fungus feeding on sugars on a cell, become invasive during replication where perhaps the cell is vulnerable to take on characteristics of the fungus (continued replication, but nothing else). I don't he is onto anything here.

*His argument is antithetical, actually. Cancer isn't hard to kill AT ALL. The problem is not killing the human at the same time. Fungi on the other hand is likely to adapt to most treatments. We are currently fighting side effects to treatment more than cancer it seems; the goal being to find something we survive and it does not.

*Alleviating the immune system from the problems aside from cancer would allow the body to actually have enough of the immune system left over to attack cancer.

*Symbiotic relationships are likely between cancer and fungus. Fungus is opportunistic and evolves. Why wouldn't it live around cancer? If the immune system is over-run or not providing the function it should, fungus is likely to to take advantage of this as we know. Especially if cancer provide a rich environment for food to be caught in for the fungus.

*People with candida problems don't necessarily have cancer, or are not likely too necessarily. That makes a hard claim that cancer is fungus, as opposed to symbiotic.

*The symbiotic relationship would dissipate once the food is gone. Perhaps Fungus increases the size of cancer tumors and increased the pressure in order to break off bits of replicating cells to spread to other parts of the body. If you treat the fungus you have a large hollowed type structure as opposed to a fortress of resisting and evolving fungus. This isn't an elimination of cancer in itself but rather something an immune system could stand a chance against.

*The more I read, the more I believe the immune system needs to deal with most problems we see as being the axis-of-evil type stuff, is just temporary alleviation from other duties under a premise of a manageable load (the immune system regenerating faster than the designated hostile). For this reason I honestly believe virus curing is going to be easy once it gets approached in this manner also discussed in my post about viruses - that apparently was really not interesting.

Not that I have any formal education on this... It just seems like a few simple Google searches can let a person quickly understand how things are never so simple.

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