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Amazone I.
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Ron, I didn't denied your pains there.....and I won't do any further flushes either.... perhaps can you give a try for
a good osteopathic therapist and or someone really specialized in acupunctur.....The bile and liver region is also the indice of depressions......when liver-chi is disturbed.....sorry but I don't get a pic of you as somebody of hyperchondric....merely a prob. in a psychosomatic issue coz of long distance suffering and not havin solved the issue since.....I can't detect any *lust* in your suffering.....


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Ron  and Isa  it is not a question of whether Ron  Isa or I are hypocondriac but if a tiny bit of this mind set (all we have all the colors in our soul or mind) can surface,  may be as Isa says, for a long passed suffering  still touching us !
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sorry but here is a big misunderstanding...I never said that I am or ever was hyperchondriac..... .... I'm only a nonnie...


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....The bile and liver region is also the indice of depressions......when liver-chi is disturbed.....


I wish I could say that I have no idea what you are talking about... but this liver/depression connection is really giving me problems. My liver chi must be very disturbed!

I'm not a hypochondriac either, but sometimes it feels like for every two steps forward, I'm taking three steps back - especially in the mood department. I've been fairly compliant on the Nomad diet for several weeks now, but I've also been working to detox from heavy metals. I'm about ready to cave and just live with the metals if I can't work through this depression! I can't imagine how doubly bad I would feel if I weren't at least eating right! My ND has counseled me to "hang in there", promising that it will all be better...  

Any and all suggestions gratefully appreciated! I've got the omegas and the B vitamins covered, plus, plus...  but I don't see any L-Tryptophan on the labels....  what else?? (Forgive me if they are already here... too mentally tired to hunt for them...)
Thanks!...  


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pixelland, I think that l'tyrosine 2x500mmg's daily (not in the evening please) somme milk thistle and 2-3x500mg's daily of l'arginine can do the trick

btw...the liver stands for heavy feelings....emotions....
also our mind has to get detoxed from time to time....and yessss of course is 5HTP from the plant or the aminoacid l'tryptophane
very usefull against depressions as well..... and please don't feel offended from the words I choose, it wasn't meant at all and also please be patient....detox & heavy metals....takes more than a while  ......
you body needs  time for adjustements....we can't expect miracles after several days or weeks, but you can expect changes after 3 to 9 months and then body is able for the biiig cleanse.... that's my own experience and also with a lot of patients I introduce to BTD.....since years.....


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Thank you Isa....

I've got to dash off to work, but I took a quick look at my supps and don't see any of the things you suggested. My ND also mentioned milk thistle!..  Great minds think alike...  

I promise I won't give up.... absolutely no offense taken...    just gratitude...

soon...


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I will add my 2 or 3 cents...
My parents both had their gall bladders removed in their 50's.
I stil have mine.  Years later, as I got to thinking about it;  my mom was always baking...always.  This meant lots of wheat and who knows what kind of fat.  It was all lard back when.
I was not too much for baking.  I preferred the fresh fruit rather than having it baked into something.  In some circles, I was not considered to be a 'good' cook.
Today I only bake flax crackers, and I'm still not considered to be a 'good' cook in most all circles.
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I always thought I'd be a good cook as I got older, but I'm not either. It usually isn't that healthy to be a good cook!!

Ron, when I had gallbladder irritation, I had sternum pain. You can imagine how scary that was, thinking it could be heart trouble! Gallbladder pain radiates all over the place.
Also, to heal gallbladder problems, it was suggested to have less protein. Maybe you are detoxing from all that "O" protein in your own unique way!!
As I often suggest fasting, even if you don't fast, just eat as lightly as you can for a day or so. If you can do compliant juices, your system may clean up a little.
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I was the exact same way, it was the fatty foods (Cheese, peanut butter) and coffee that got to me.  Most of my life I had bad posture. My spine was out of whack and a chiropractor helped me out and now I don't get that pain anymore.  How's your posture, you say you get tingling sensation betweeen your shoulder blades, is your spine sensitive there and are your muscles sore, tender, achy there?  If so I suggest first of all start doing yoga, don't jump into the hard positions but the stretches you want to do are the ones that stretch out the spine and neck.  The position that may help you, as it has helped me greatly would be the shoulderstands.  If yoga doesn't fix it I'd see a chiropractor.  You can try stinging nettle also for the gallbladder.  

I don't know if you have H pylori or not but I had myself checked and I did not have it.  

Oh yeah and eating more cooked foods may help.

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I did it seven year ago  and I was helicobacter pylori free, my mother treated 15 year ago with the conventional therapy and had  a long relief. with BTD started a little bit after  this test, I guess I am still free. I just help my stomac with lemon juice  and fresh ginger.
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Ron, when I had gallbladder irritation, I had sternum pain. You can imagine how scary that was, thinking it could be heart trouble! Gallbladder pain radiates all over the place.
Also, to heal gallbladder problems, it was suggested to have less protein. Maybe you are detoxing from all that "O" protein in your own unique way!!
Yes, yes!  I was getting sternum pain like mad!  But now it's gone away, for the most part... I haven't had the sternum pains in awhile, but now I have this tingling, slightly throbbing region high in my back, between my shoulder blades...

I was getting small, lancing pulses of pain in my gallbladder region, but now they're mostly gone.  I'd been taking an EDTA/bromelain/guggul gum/astragalus/magnesium citrate set of pills to try and break up any stones I might have had and then laying on my left side at night to try and get the stones to dissolve and the gallbladder ducts to relax, so that any stones might move along the duct and then outward, up and to the left.

I got a few small pulses of pain in the region while I was on my left side during that time, but now the pains are gone, and all I'm left with is a tingling kind of numbness or something between the shoulder blades.

...Looking back, I was eating grass-fed beef and lamb like a maniac, so that's almost certainly what I'm detoxing from.

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me too, me too M G ....and Betain HCL....


Ronilein...this is the parte we use to put down our agressions.... just between our shoulderblades....or even a bit more up or down....do you know anybody who uses this new method of
taping...meditaping ... look here http://www.schmerzundtape.de but there's also an
english version I am more than convinced that this might help you as it did whithin hours for me..... wish you all the best....
amicalement yours Isa


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I repeat...acupuncture or meditaping goes similar ways


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Yes, yes!  I was getting sternum pain like mad!  But now it's gone away, for the most part... I haven't had the sternum pains in awhile, but now I have this tingling, slightly throbbing region high in my back, between my shoulder blades...

I was getting small, lancing pulses of pain in my gallbladder region, but now they're mostly gone.  I'd been taking an EDTA/bromelain/guggul gum/astragalus/magnesium citrate set of pills to try and break up any stones I might have had and then laying on my left side at night to try and get the stones to dissolve and the gallbladder ducts to relax, so that any stones might move along the duct and then outward, up and to the left.

I got a few small pulses of pain in the region while I was on my left side during that time, but now the pains are gone, and all I'm left with is a tingling kind of numbness or something between the shoulder blades.


If I am not mistaken, you should be laying on your right side to help the gallbladder.  I remember this from the liver/gallbladder flush as this is the side I always sleep on so it made it quite easy.

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If I am not mistaken, you should be laying on your right side to help the gallbladder.  I remember this from the liver/gallbladder flush as this is the side I always sleep on so it made it quite easy.
I read that before in one of the gallbladder flushes, but when I looked at an actual anatomy book, it shows that the gallbladder actually opens into the common bile duct in a direction that, just before the cystic duct, is first up and to the left, not the right:





Why these flushes say "sleep on your right" is beyond me.  It's got to be a mistake, a reversal, so I sleep on my left, to aid the more  downward flow of gravity, out of the gallbladder.  

The drainage direction is first up towards the head, and then down towards the feet, but it's always to the left, never the right.  In fact, I can't imagine how bile gets stored in the gallbladder in the first place, because it looks like it actually has to go backwards from the direction of usual flow.  I suppose there's some kind of autonomic clamping off at the very end of the bile duct that forces bile to back up into the gallbladder.  

In fact, there's something at the very end of the bile duct, where it meets with the pancreas' own drainage duct and empties into the duodenum of the small intestine.  Apparently, it's called the "Sphincter of Oddi".  My guess is that it closes at times and causes all the various digestive juices to back up a bit, and that that's how bile gets stored in the gallbladder:



...But, anyhow, because of all this, I think that the correct side to sleep on must be the left, then... I can't see any other reasonable instruction.  As to why the protocol says "left", well, the only thing I can think of is that there seem to be people who habitually confuse their left and their right directions.  I figure one of them probably wrote the original protocol, and everyone else just repeated it out of naive acceptance that it came from someone who doesn't reverse their directions.

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Thanks for the great description and pictures Ron.  Such a learning place this is.

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I see the GB to the right.....like Debra said
check the picture of the man......
or am I missing my sense of orientation?

how about sleeping upside down, head first.....
there s gravity for you!!


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I see the GB to the right.....like Debra said
Yes, that's right -- the gallbladder is on the right side of the body, but my point is that, since that's the case and, if you want the gallbladder to expel its contents, it makes more sense to lie on your left side, so that the gallbladder's opening is pointing downward, rather than upward.

If you lie on your left side, the drainage process would be working more with gravity, instead of against it.

Try to picture the man in the figure lying on his right side, and you'll see that the gallbladder's opening is pointing upward, which makes emptying it harder.  But if you picture him lying on his left side, you'll see that the gallbladder's opening is now pointing downward, which makes draining it easier.
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great pics Ron....that made me think that when one of the involved organs is inflammed the other one mihgt be involved too; as being a nonnie we always have to look out for pancreatic issues as well; A's and fats.... not everytime that easy especially not for the A1' s.

But the symptoms you describe let me think about pylori... as well...


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a head stand would be more effective, taken your logic!


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a head stand would be more effective, taken your logic!
Well, only in the very short run... standing on your head would only help to get the stones just out of the gallbladder, but then you'd have the same problem of working against gravity, because then the stone would have to be going upwards to go through the common bile duct because you'd be upside-down...

A handstand would be interesting, though...     
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hope we both are simply kidding!!!


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hope we both are simply kidding!!!
No, I'm serious!  It's okay to stand on your head!    
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Ron, I'm getting this mental image of you standing on your head, shaking your body and telling your gallbladder to stand and deliver!


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