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Rose3408
Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:28am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hello Ladies!

Are there any "menopausal" women presently following the BTD who are also taking HRT?  

I have been religiously following Dr. D's menopausal protocol and still experincing the hot flashes, night sweats, brain farts, memory problems, insomnia, etc and of course massive hair loss.

I'm told the stress and lack of estrogen is causing my hair loss.

It was suggested I start taking HRT, in particular Vivelle.dot/Prometrium, which is a more natural form of HRT.  None the less, it still scares me.

So I'm trying find other women who are presently going through those awful menopausal symptoms and what, if anything is working for them.

Your input is so greatly appreciated.

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look into natural Hormone replacement therapy.....


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Hi Lola!

Been there. . . done that.  Hence my request.  

I've looked in "natural hormone therapy" for the last 7 years, at the onset of menopause.  Talked to a few ND's who wanted to perscribe natural estrogen/progesterone but were not all that knowledable about it and stated, "let's just try it."  So I gave it a try.

to be honest, I didn't feel comfortable enough in their confidence and knowing how to perscribe it.  And in speaking to other women it appears they came across the same situation or tried the natural creams and they really didn't work.

With that said, and since I trust everyone's input on this forum, I thought I would try to speak to a few ladies that have tried Vivelle.dot/Prometrium.  

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a compound chemist did not design your personal natural hormone cream according to your specific hormone level results?


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Lola - Yes, is was a compounding Pharmacy.  Actually, 3 pharmacies to be exact.

In the determined quest to find a "good & knowledgable" MD or ND, I saw three.  Each spoke about hormones and treating menopause "naturally" and perscribed estrogen/progesterone in a compounded cream, however they didn't work.  

When I spoke with my gyno last week she said the compounding HRT are very hard to control and monitor and don't really work.  When I spoke of my desire for a mroe "natural" form of HRT, she mentioned the Vivelle.dot, which comes from a natural source.

With that said, I am trying to find some other women on this site who are presently using it, and there success.

It's amazing, we all seem to know of compounding HRT, and yet we cannot find one single person who successfully uses it?
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Rose;

   I took a saliva test in the fall of 05 to have a HRT  prescribed for me.  I have been on the same dosage since. It comes in a tablet form, I take under my tongue twice a day.  About a year ago I found out the cream was cheaper so tried it, but it did not work as well for me.  Now I am in the process of going off the tablets.  Will be cutting the dosage in 1/2 and see how that goes.  Perhaps you would like to try the tablets.  Mine has estrogen and progesterone, testosterone and something called BIEST.  It has worked for me. I had a hysterectomy in 98.  They left the ovaries but about a year later tests showed they were no longer working.  I started a synthetic HRT then and was on it till Jan 05. I went off it but still had hot flashes so went for the bio identical.  
   Write me a PM if you have more questions.  I have no info on the Vivelle.dot.  Sorry


Beouemom sounds like bay way mom and I think Colorado is a great place to live.  
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It was suggested I start taking HRT, in particular Vivelle.dot/Prometrium, which is a more natural form of HRT.  


Hello Rose.....  I've used Vivelle.dot, but I am unfamiliar with this particular product. The only information I can find online about Vivelle is for an estrogen-only patch. As far as it's being "natural", they call it "chemically synthesized from a plant source". Hmm...  not exactly natural, but I do like that better than hormones that are sythesized from horse urine...

Therapies vary depending on whether your menopause is from age or surgically induced. I fall in the latter category, having my "total" hysterectomy at the age of 25. In order of trial (and error) over the last 23 years I've taken pills, then the first patches on the market, then monthly injections, then back to trying the newer patches, and now presently using the latest gel.

I am now reaching the age where I worry more about what I put in my body...  so I've been working with a ND. I did blood work last week, and meet with her tomorrow to review all my tests and hopefully come up with a new protocol. I'm a bit worried that somehow I ordered the wrong test, since they did serum instead of saliva... but we talk about so much when I see her that I'm not sure at this point. It wasn't cheap, that's for sure!  

As far as pros and cons re: Vivelle....
I felt the dosage was more consistent day-to-day than the monthly injections, but can be greatly affected by hydration.
Practical application? I didn't really like wearing a "bandage" of sorts all the time. The application site needs to be really clean and oil-free, so you have to be careful with lotions, etc. They also tend to leave an adhesive residue, and all the suggested substances for removing the sticky stuff are not things I like to put on my skin and into my body. (like WD40!!)

Regarding effectiveness... Consistency with any of the choices is key. Patches have been better than pills and injections. The gel seems to work well, but I haven't studied what's in it (playing ostrich on that one). The expense (insurance won't cover it) and distrust of modern pharmacology prompted me to look for a better, more natural solution for the next 20+ years of my life...

Hope some of this helps... I'll chime in again after I meet with my ND....


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send jeanb a PM.....
I believe she once blogged about natural hormone treatment and compound chemists......having great results.

can t find that blog, she might send you a link or tell you about her experience.


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I believe the FDA closed down the compounding pharmacies this past spring. Thanks to Wyeth complaining. I don't know how they'll get around it..I tried BHRT. It made me gain 10 pounds. I went off of it and now I just use soy, like Revival soy or Genisoy. Right now it's Genisoy.
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Any suggestions for those of us who are supposed to avoid soy??


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Rose...and to every type A woman needing menopausal advice, I want to share my story.
I've done this before but Rose might have missed this.  So, once again, here it is.

I've been there and done the menopausal symptoms years ago...night sweats and mood swings,
and a well intended alternative MD prescribed I take bio identical hormones...This is when I
literally went berserk with more and more symptoms as I feel my body was sending me
messages about changing something else...NOT adding hormones of any kind... and if  were to share some wise advice with you it would be to avoid using any type of hormone therapy regardless of who tells you to take it unless you're dealing with a doctor who has a 100%
success rate in treating menopausal symptoms.

Most women are overloaded with way too many xenoestrogens from environmental pollutants,
so taking estriol, estridiol and estrone just adds more estrogen, even though it appears
to be natural.  Progesterone had me having constant break-through periods that went on
for weeks and weeks until I was exhausted.  ALL with the help of an MD who kept saying
"give this some time".  He didn't address my liver...my need to detox from the estrogen
dominance I already had.  I need for you to know that if the liver can't get rid of environmental
estrogens that have been piling up for years, added bio-identical hormones is going to give
you additional estrogen it can't get rid of either.  Progesterone's job is to naturally break
down the uterine lining each month.  When ovaries stop producing adequate progesterone
at menopause, the last thing the body needs is more estrogen from natural hormones..
This is exactly where I went wrong.

As a type A where ERT isn't indicated, I suggest you take this very seriously. We are THE blood type most likely to have breast cancer at any age so, I would seriously try and do any natural protocol that doesn't include using true hormones...even if they're called "natural".  I did the bi-est
and the tri-est and both were making me delay going through a natural menopause.  So,
three years, I suffered with going uphill and downhill, only to crash, leave the doctor in my
wake and try to figure this out on my own.

I've said this before and perhaps nobody is really connecting the dots, but BLOOD SUGAR and
adrenal glands is where the balancing needs to begin.  And for me, that meant that I had to
start living like a saint...almost like a diabetic, because even at age 65, going on 66, with
absolutely no menopausal symptoms at all, if I eat a food really high in sugar all by itself,
my mood will crash a few hours later, I'm going to start sweating and I'm going
to stay awake most of the night in an agitated state.  I'm going  to start to feel shaky
and scared and irritable....  THEN, the next day I'm going to wake
up angry and sometimes start crying before I get to breakfast.  My adrenals have always been my lifelong weak link and the only way to pacify them now is to treat them with utter respect.
As a child I lived on sugar, sugar and more sugar.

Consider your adrenal glands as fragile....Without your hormonal system functioning properly
at menopause a time when ovaries can no longer donate the proper amount of estrogen and progesterone, the slightest shake up of your adrenal glands is going to set your life out of whack. The adrenal glands can and have to produce small amounts of female hormones
but only if they're healthy and functional.

I found myself eating like a diabetic through most of my menopausal years (as an experiment
because I hated sweating, crying, losing sleep and feeling like I wanted to murder someone,
including myself) ...and THAT is what balanced me....changing my diet to protect, nourish and assist my adrenals...Breakfast had to have enough protein, a small amount of good carbs and
fats from flax or fish oil...very small amounts of fruit...Lunch and dinner similar...two snacks,
no sugar.

Slowly by myself, I figured out how to balance my adrenals...NO SUGAR...no artificial sugar...
no cookies, no cake, no desserts...just wholesome food...

So, I did best without taking hormones...and I had to go slowly on the plant estrogen
sources for a long while because foods like soy unbalanced me until I tolerated them.
I had to clean up my liver first...before I tolerated estrogenic foods...

What I learned from being my own "lab rat" was that it was about getting those adrenal glands functioning because their job is to produce enough back up hormones to take up the slack of the declining female (and some male) hormones  that the ovaries once produced in adequate
quanitites.

I'm seeing this chaos and beginning of hormonal decline in my daughter in laws.  One looks
to be estrogen dominant and she's only just 40.  My other daughter in law who is constantly
craving junk food and acting like a meanie lately is completely stressed out because she's
eating improperly.

I am doing great on the Warrior diet...better than I did on the BTD...My blood sugar is way
more stable and possibly because the plant carbs are lower on the glycemic index than
on the BTD.

I honestly believe you can balance hormones with diet...I can't say enough about the GTD..
I wish I had known about it when I was 40 something...when I needed it the most.

Put the right foods into your body and you will be able to balance yourself.  You just have
to take it very seriously...keep a food diary..write down everything you're eating...learn to
say "no",  I can't eat a toxin...I can't eat an avoid...I wish my daughter in laws would ask
me for help...I honestly think it takes a discipline that most people don't have.


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Chloe, thank you for your insightful and personal experience-based information!! I value your post exptremely!!! Hope it helps otherrs.
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I believe the FDA closed down the compounding pharmacies this past spring. Thanks to Wyeth complaining. I don't know how they'll get around it..I tried BHRT.  


This is NOT true.  Compounding pharmacies are still open, and still able to offer bioidentical hormones, including estriol.  They also sell many other kinds of compounded prescriptions to people who can't take regular drugs with their many additives.

I have successfully used bioidentical compounded hormones, prescribed first by a naturopath and then by M.D's,  for over ten years now, with great success.  My mother also uses prescribed natural progesterone cream successfully. She hasn't broken a bone since she started it ten years ago,  after previously breaking many including her hip,  and despite continuing to show very severe osteoporosis on the DEXA.


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Any suggestions for those of us who are supposed to avoid soy?

I d follow the advice given in your menopause book and the protocols......targeted and personalized.
also check your secretor status to finetune even more.


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Great post, Chloe!
I'm not sure how well this will work for those of us who no longer have ovaries... But balancing everything else will surely help improve my general state of wellness. I can't wait to hear what my ND will recommend for me. She is a BTD believer, too.

Regarding compounding: I just spoke with my local Medicap pharmacy, and he still does custom compounding. He may be the exception rather than the rule, since the other location in town does not. I would guess that most mainstream chains don't compound... probably due to liability issues. The FDA has managed to do a lot of rediculous things in the interest of our health, but thank goodness they've not officially ended custom compounding... yet!



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Chloe,
personal discipline, so true!!!!

people feel down, and give in to avoids, feeling sorry for themselves, and then feeling worse!! it is a vicious cycle, hard to break, and those who search, like you, find the answer to our health problems in the personal discipline we impose upon ourselves.

I salute your detective work and the respect you have for yourself.


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This is NOT true.  Compounding pharmacies are still open, and still able to offer bioidentical hormones, including estriol.  They also sell many other kinds of compounded prescriptions to people who can't take regular drugs with their many additives.


I read it in a magazine that the compounding pharmacies were not allowed to make bio identical hormones..trying to remember which one..due to Wyeth petitioning the FDA. The company where I got my BHRT went out of business..Perhaps this is only in certain areas? Maybe it hasn't reached your area. BTW, you don't need progesterone to prevent broken bones. Some calcium, vitamin D and resistance training (lifing weights) will prevent it...

Chloe, my goodness, you went through heck! I was heading down the same path! Luckily after I went to see Dr. D, I decided that I wasn't really feeling any better on BHRT and I thought the same thing that I was delaying a natural fact of life, which could come back to bite me. I felt immediately better when I stopped it. All I had to do was increase my soy consumption and I'm pretty good! The progesterone only made my symptoms worse, and I lost the weight I gained. My only regret was that I had nicer skin on it..
  
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BTW, you don't need progesterone to prevent broken bones. Some calcium, vitamin D and resistance training (lifing weights) will prevent it...


yes to all, as long as your liver and other are working like clockwork!
read Chloe s post......


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http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP053

This is a super important supplement for me.


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Dr D has sorted everything out no doubt!
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thanks for the reminder Chloe!


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Lola... I just checked the link...  The book on Menopause looks very interesting...  but it's out of stock??  


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Chloe,
Thank you so much for taking the time to put together such a thoughtful post.  You are right that real health only comes when we are able to work our way back to the root cause of our unbalanced state.  I can understand how someone could feel desperate enough to take hormone replacement, especially after having survived menopause myself.  But my experience is similiar to yours, in that I have traced my real need back to my adrenals.  I have learned that when the adrenals are exhausted, they will cannibalize the sex hormones and make use of them.  This is not a scientific explanation, and I know it leaves much to be desired.  So if anyone understands the mechanics of how this process happens, please step in and elaborate.

Adrenal fatigue only worsens with the onset of menopause if it is not addressed.  And the toxicity from xenoestrogens that we have been exposed to for decades only complicates the matter.  The liver becomes very over burdened during menopause.  Chinese formulas such as Xaio Yao Wan, have been a great asset to me, and I have made use of that one for the past 10 years.  I also really appreciate the NAP product that you linked to.  It was helpful for me, and I used it for about a year and a half.



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Lola... I just checked the link...  The book on Menopause looks very interesting...  but it's out of stock??  


I have it..reading it..
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Chinese formulas such as Xaio Yao Wan, have been a great asset to me, and I have made use of that one for the past 10 years.  I also really appreciate the NAP product that you linked to.  It was helpful for me, and I used it for about a year and a half.



Victoria, I'm afraid to take herbal formulas..I have many allergies and sensitivities. Dr. D has me on two and I'm still worried..Plus I read in online that DonQuai causes cancer!

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pix, try your library perhaps?
or amazon.....


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I wonder if the book has much information for someone in my position. I keep forgetting that my situation is different from most. I'm not trying to manage normal age-related menopause by supplementation of HRT. I've been on prescription hormones (    I know, I know... I was young...) for 23 years. Now that I am at the age where M naturally occurs, I'm hoping to discontinue HRT, and I feel a need to do something to ease the transition.

All the information here about balancing the adrenals and controlling blood sugar makes a lot of sense. I can't wait to learn more!


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the book will definitely help your issues!

balancing your hormones through diet and protocols in a healthy way, for women of all ages....


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Thanks for the invite to join this thread.  I have spent the better part of my adult life trying to figure out my messed up hormones.  

It started when I was 14 and would get periods that would soak the bed night after night.  I finally got relief when I started on the pill in my 20's, but I also put on weight and my breasts grew to H cups.  

I got pregnant easily with my first son, but couldn't keep a pregnancy after that. My cycle shortened to around 17 days I miscarried 6 times.  I finally found a sympathetic ND who gave me an O type diet and some herbs called Chinese Women's Tea.  That pregancy stuck and I had my 12 year old son.  

After I had my last son, my wacky periods started up again with the added delight of nasty PMS.  I literally was looking up a divorce lawyer at least 1 time per cycle.  I had acne around my neck and my weight would fluctuate wildly.  I found out about the Blood Type Diet that gave me a similar way of eating but with more options.  The Non O version of the diet gave me a way to work with my weight, but the hormones were still crazy.

My OB-gyn had gone to a conference in Europe about bio-identical hormones and he wanted to try them on me.  I went for 4 blood tests throughout my cycle to see where my hormones were landing.  My estrogen was sky high especially 2 days before my period and progesterone was non existant.  I was put on progesterone cream for 14 days of my cycle and it didn't do much.  

After 3 months, he offered sublingual tablets which made a huge difference, my cycle lengthened to 24 days and the extreme breast tenderness and moodiness started disappearing.  I had a breast reduction done in 2003 and again the estrogen dominance subdued even more.

In 2004, I had a ruptured appendix and my endocrine system went sideways. 3 months after the appendectomy my pulse was 39, my hair was falling out, I was so tired I couldn't exercise, and I had horrible eczema all over my face.  My doctor thought I was reacting to all of the medicine that was pumped into me while I was in the hospital.

I was referred to another doctor who worked with hormones and he found out I was hypothyroid.  He started me on bioidentical hormones for my thyroid, more progesterone and testosterone.  He also gave me large doses of Vitamin A which stops heavy menstrual bleeding.  He felt I was hypothyroid as a teenager as estrogen binds to the thyroid hormone receptors and renders them useless.  He thought I may have had some heart damage from the lack of thyroid hormone but luckily no damage was found.  My mother has recently been diagnosed with hypothyroid.

Where does that leave me today?  I am 48 years old with bones like a 20 year old.  I have regular periods that are 4 days long (not 10 days) and I do not have to double pad with maxi pads for 5 days.  I have some PMS but it is only for 12 hours rather than 5-10 days.  My skin is clear and my hair is not dropping out.  

I get up at 5:30 in the morning and go to bed at 9:30 and I sleep through the night.  I can exercise without hurting and my neck does not constantly ache.  

For me, bioidentical hormones have given me my life back, I only wish I had known in my early 20's what a difference they could make.  
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Sorry, some more thoughts.  I exercise a lot, I go to the gym at least 2 days per week and I walk every day for at least 40 minutes.  I also do some exercise dvd's that are very demanding.  My doctor has recommended I keep this up in order to "burn up estrogen" or keep my body fat in the 20-23% percent area.  (I still have 3% to go)

I reread Pixelland's post.  If I were on HRT, I would try to find a doctor who would switch me to bioidentical and allow me to dose myself based on what makes me feel better. (My doctor allows me to self dose, but I must see him every 3 months for a follow-up).

If I wanted to go through menopause, I would very gradually over YEARS, reduce my hormones until meonpause was over.  I am on lower doses of progesterone now compared to what I was on 8 years ago, as my estrogen is lowering gradually.  
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Wow, Jean...  Thanks for joining in.. (and thank you, Lola, for recommending sending an invitation..)

I thought I had been through some @#$#@, but I'm thinking perhaps I haven't had it so bad. I've spent much time contemplating the benefits and the risks of pharmaceutical hormone therapies. Watching a friend who went without them age so rapidly that people thought she was my mother...  just one of the reasons I chose to continue them up until now.

I'm really curious about the "bioidentical hormones". For all my history, this is new to me. I'll be meeting with my ND tomorrow to discuss my hormone levels, etc. So much to learn.....


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Remember, it was Rose, with blood type A who posed the original question and started
this thread.

And although we've all had different experiences with HRT, I want to point out that different
blood types have different risk factors for reproductive cancers.  Type A has greater risks
than the Os.  And in ER4YT, it was stated that As shouldn't take hormone replacement
therapies.

I acknowledge that that type O might do well and find it completely safe to work with bio-identical hormones, but for type A, it's a whole different risk to be taking hormones at all.

I just want to remind Rose to keep in mind that I answered her as type A.  And when
reading each person's response to be mindful of their blood type.


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question, jean...  are bioidenticals prescription drugs? do I have to see my Ob/Gyn? or can my ND set me up with them?


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Chloe... thanks for steering this back to Rose. I guess the point of much of the ensuing posts has been about how people weigh the risks and the benefits of HRT.

We all have different issues and different needs... The best we can do is take from all of this what works for each of us individually. I'm grateful for all the sharing of experiences here...


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I am not sure about the US, but in Canada bio identicals are prescription drugs and I have only received them through MD's.  I am not sure if ND's can prescribe them in Canada.  

I think the most important thing with bio identicals is to work with a physician who can prescribe based on saliva tests and if they are not available, blood tests.  My doctor is extremely careful, as I said before, I must see him every 3 months and if I am not feeling "right" he often will get another set of tests run.  I have breast thermography tests run 1 x per year as my estrogen is so high and I make sure I have a pap test every year.  


I would really suggest every woman should read Natural Hormone Balance by Dr. Uzzi Reiss.  His information on hormone replacement is excellent and he explains how to replace hormones effectively.  He sites a study reported in 1981 that women in their forties with a high level of their own progesterone have 1/5 the rate of breast cancer and 1/10 the rate of other cancers in later life than women with low progesterone.

Progesterone enhance a protective gene system known as P53 and slows down another gene system BCL2 that promotes cancer.  Progesterone prevents cells from proliferating excessively in breast and uterine cancer.  

Dr. Reiss recommends estrogen replacement only with the protective progesterone in concert.  

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The book on Menopause looks very interesting...  but it's out of stock??


Here it is $5.49 for used (including shipping) and $6.72 for new(including shipping).



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To Lola:

I have Dr. D's book on "Menopause" (I have all his books) and unfortunately, there is nothing in there about "hair loss."  I have been following BTD for A and Menopause and my hair continues to fall out.

Tests for thyroid, etc turn out fine.  I'm sure my adrenals are playing in a part in all this, so I'm trying hard to fine tune that. I'm staying away from all sugars, taking B5, etc. but my hair is still falling out.

Right now you can see through my scalp, and I know I will look like some sort of Alien soon!  Lately, it seems I've seen so many women who are balding on top????  Why is this?

I wish Dr. D would step in and give some insite/suggestions to all this.  I'm so confused and scared.

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And in ER4YT, it was stated that As shouldn't take hormone replacement therapies.


BOY, are you ever right on girl!  I did not have a good BHRT experience..mostly I wasted money, that I don't have.  

Personally, IMO, hormones should only be taken under the supervision of an endo. They are specialists, and they are the ones that know horomones.
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Rose3408,
I have been going to a naturopath for about 13 years and he gave helped me to take the natural progesterone cream which I did successfully for a number of years but had to constantly increase the amount of cream.  I finally told him that I was having to use it a few times a day and the amount I had to use and he said I was not absorbing it through my skin properly.  

He gave me homeopathic progesterone to take and muscle tested me for the amount and how long.  I have had to take that a few times, under his care, but then he told me to take it if I felt I needed it.

I have also had to take homeopathic Sepia (a great help for the uterus), again by muscle testing with him to get the right amount, and how long to take it.  I have had to take that quite alot lately since I am in the middle of the "year of waiting" to make sure I have actually stopped for good.

Even with these, it has not been easy though.  Unfortunately I still had to go through emotional stuff, so these are not perfect, but they have done a good job for me and all naturally.  

My younger sister is currently taking HRT and my older sister had to have a hysterectomy for fibroids, so I truly believe that these helped me.

Of course I am sure that this WOE would have helped me for the past 5-7 years of perimenopause, had I been doing it then!

I hope that you find some relief soon.

Tea Rose




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blood types have different risk factors for reproductive cancers.  Type A has greater risks
than the Os.  And in ER4YT, it was stated that As shouldn't take hormone replacement
therapies.


Tea Rose, do you think that it might be different for you and yours since you're an O and O's can tolerate a whole heck of a lot more than Rose who is an A?
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This is an excellent thread. Thank you to everyone for posting their experiences with this issue. Very very helpful information.

Laura  


Warrior: Once you're faced with a challenge, you'll keep ramming a wall until you break through especially if that challenge is mental. Use your nimble mind and tenacity to conquer life and stick with your GenoType Diet. You're bound to succeed.
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Goodness! so much information on such a complicated and personal issue. I'm just back from seeing my ND with a new plan for transitioning OFF of HRT.... This is a personal decision made with the help of trusted practitioner, and I think it is the right decision for me personally at this point in my life according to my age and my general state of health. More about my plan in a bit...

One of the big mistakes we have ALL made on this thread (including me) is lumping all forms of hormone therapy into one broad and misleading category. What is HRT? Are you talking about supplementing a declining level of estrogen? or replacing them entirely when a patient is too young to experience menopause naturally? Or maybe your estrogen is just fine and what you really need is something else?

We've also been making the mistake of trying to judge whether or not any form of hormone therapy is inherently good or evil. Too many factors are involved. I am not a big fan of pharmaceuticals. I prefer to find a natural cure when I can. In this area of my health, I chose to fight fire with fire. I couldn't put my ovaries back into my body, so I made a decision to use what was most available to me. In the long run, I think the benefits have won out over the risks. I still look young for my age, and my bones are in great shape. Now I am ready for a change...

Next subject: Who do you see about it? I've trusted my Ob/Gyn for years. I trusted him to be educated as to my options for therapy, and to present them to me. Why have I not heard about bioidentical hormones until now? I have asked repeatedly for any new or better options everytime I have seen him. I suppose most allopathic practitioners consider it too time consuming and expensive an option, and the insurance companies probably won't play fair. (Not that they cover my current prescription!) At the least, I wish he had presented me with the options and let me make that decision.

Going to an endocrinologist sounds like a great idea for those who can afford it regardless of insurance, and might be approved for someone with more serious issues...  but I can also imagine that the industry would consider that overkill for relief of basic menopausal issues. (don't shoot me here if I am wrong...  just speculating... perhaps showing my distrust of the "machine")

So I've decided to seek the help of my ND. Everything Chloe said now makes more sense. Not perfect sense, because there is sooo much to take in. My adrenal system needs balancing, my ability to regulate my blood sugar is not up to par, and my liver could use some help to help everything else. And I'm glossing over and probably leaving half of it all out... lol...

My ND is also a firm believer in the BTD (she hasn't reviewed the GTD yet). So I am officially (you heard it here) committing to the Nomad diet. I will be working to achieve balance in all systems, while weaning myself off of prescription HRT. This is the best I think I can do for me at this point in my life....

To Rose3408...  I hope you find the answers you seek. You didn't say who suggested Vivelle.dot, but I'm guessing it was not a physician. Every person is different. Perhaps your blood type makes you a poor candidate for HRT, but I'm sensing that there is more going on in your body than just decreasing female hormone levels. Please consider seeking a professional's help, but go armed with your own knowledge as well.

I'm not wealthy, and the lab work and ND appts weren't cheap....  but I'm glad to have invested the money and the time to find out just where my health is at this point and to chart a course for the years to come.

To all of our good health!






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Tea Rose, do you think that it might be different for you and yours since you're an O and O's can tolerate a whole heck of a lot more than Rose who is an A?


Gosh - it is never my intention to tell anyone what to, sorry if it sounded that way.  



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Gosh - it is never my intention to tell anyone what to, sorry if it sounded that way.  


Ms. Tea Rose, I didn't mean anything by that.   I was just making conversation... hence the question mark?
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Ms. Tea Rose, I didn't mean anything by that.   I was just making conversation... hence the question mark?


Mayflowers,
Oops - well then let me attempt to answer -

I don't know that I would say as a rule that all type O's can tolerate a whole heck of alot more than type A's.  I think both groups have their strengths and weaknesses.

I come from a family of  type O people who are very sensitive to meds.  Maybe as a blood group we do tolerate more than A's, but as an O, I can't take most over the counter or prescribed meds without side effects.  Thank goodness my thyroid hormone I can tolerate well, but my aunt who is an O can't take it because it gives her headaches.

This is why I finally went to a naturopath because of my intolerance to anything.  What I like about going there is the muscle testing, which tells you exactly what my own body needs.  So as a Type A or O, I would say individual muscle testing and getting exactly what you need would be similar to the SWAMI form of the Genotype.

That is not to say that I don't support my sister's decision (or anyone else) to follow her doctor's advice and take HRT. I went with her to her appointment and our female GYN said she was past the time that natural progesterone would help her because she had medical issues that needed to be addressed now and I agreed with her. In the middle of a crisis is a hard time to start taking natural progesterone, I think in this case.  She is doing well and the HRT is controlling the situation she is taking it for though she is having some side effects.




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One of the big mistakes we have ALL made on this thread (including me) is lumping all forms of hormone therapy into one broad and misleading category. What is HRT? Are you talking about supplementing a declining level of estrogen? or replacing them entirely when a patient is too young to experience menopause naturally? Or maybe your estrogen is just fine and what you really need is something else?






Pixielland....

I was speaking only about women with intact ovaries, with menopausal symptoms,
being prescribed HRT (hormone replacement therapy) which specifically if referred to as bio-identical hormones need to come from a compounding pharmacy.  I'm taking about oral estrogen which can come from 2 or 3 of these (estriol, estradiol and estrone)....and an additional oral progesterone.  The purpose of this therapy supposedly is to
alleviate menopausal symptoms such as night sweats, hot flashes, mood changes, heavy
bleeding, poor sleep, thinning hair...etc. It also will make some women continue having
periods and store more and more estrogen in their liver if they genetically don't detoxify
well.

IF there is a toxic liver or other hormonal issues, the need for exploring the subject further needs to be addressed.  I explained that my particular doctor had no expertise with the liver, the adrenals or the xenoestrogen issues.  I was addressing all women, all blood types in this instance.  Anyone can be taking a huge risk if they use any hormones if they're already toxic
especially if their genotype has issues removing the toxic waste easily.

I wasn't really addressing women who had a hysterectomy or blood types other than A
although the liver and adrenal issues can be applicable to any of us.

I was specifically addressing this to Rose and other type A individuals when I shared information that was clearly given in ER4YT that for us, who are type A, that it's dangerous for us to take HRT.  We run the high risk of breast cancer and therefore cannot safely take estrogen.

Warrior genotypes have a high risk factor for hormonal imbalances in younger years.  Teachers
run a high risk of breast cancer in later years.  And Explorers can be a total enigma medically
so perhaps an A Explorer is at high risk for reproductive cancers as well.

Best (for us, type A) is to detoxify with products that NAP makes specifically for women's issues.

As for other women and other blood types and those who have no ovaries, I wasn't
addressing that issue at all and I personally have no idea if estrogen is safe or not safe
for your blood type or genotype.

It takes a really specialized and informed doctor to sort out the whole picture.  I would think
you're in good hands with an ND.  I wish you the best of luck.






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Chloe... my apologies for the "all". You have shared excellent information that all of us here can learn from. Please consider it a knee-jerk reaction coming from years and years of feeling a bit like the "red-headed stepchild" (sorry... not "pc"..) of the hormone controversy. Most every time I have tried to research my situation, I find TONS of information on HRT as you have described it. I've had to scratch and claw for what little has been available for women in my situation. Finally, within the last 10 years, studies were done regarding the correlation between breast cancer and the prescribed therapy I've been receiving for years. Of course, the results lagged behind the studies of "regular" HRT by more than a year.

And Rose...  I missed your post where you mentioned speaking with your gynecologist. Please be careful. Those quick fixes that the docs hand out on prescription pads are bandaids... ultimately, the healing has to come from within.




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I don't know that I would say as a rule that all type O's can tolerate a whole heck of alot more than type A's.  I think both groups have their strengths and weaknesses.


Well if I had a choice, I'd rather be an O than an A.  
Then, I wouldn't look like I look, or worry about my health as much. Compared to all other A's, I really hate the way I look. I'm not even a normal looking Warrior.  I think O females's are so much more attractive than me.  


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Warrior genotypes have a high risk factor for hormonal imbalances in younger years.  Teachers
run a high risk of breast cancer in later years.  And


Ms. Chloe, you hit the nail on the head again..My sister had
endometriosis at 35 and had to have a hysterectomy. She still had an ovary left so when she tried to go on HRT, she kind of flipped out, and had to go off it.  My mom had a hysterectomy at 55. I'm hoping to beat the odds.  I'm still intact.  
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Ms. Chloe, you hit the nail on the head again..My sister had
endometriosis at 35 and had to have a hysterectomy. She still had an ovary left so when she tried to go on HRT, she kind of flipped out, and had to go off it.  My mom had a hysterectomy at 55. I'm hoping to beat the odds.  I'm still intact.  


My sister too had endometriosis in her 30s and had a hysterectomy at 40.  She's type A
too..and looks like she's probably a Warrior...but discussing this subject with her brings
out her howls of laughter...This is why I'm chatting HERE with my real sisters about a subject
only "this family" understands!



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Rose, here. . .

I'm still trying to figure out if I'm a Teacher or Warrier.  I read the book over and over again, and I could go almost either way.

Are there any "distinctive" characters I should be looking for which may help in figuring it out?

Now if it said, Warrier's lose their hair, I would know immediately! I'm trying to be funny here, and put a smile on my face about this awful hair loss.

I really wish I cold just speak with Dr. D, if only for a few minutes.  Oh, my kingdom for some hair, or 5 minutes with Dr D!

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Rose, here. . .

I'm still trying to figure out if I'm a Teacher or Warrier.  I read the book over and over again, and I could go almost either way.

Are there any "distinctive" characters I should be looking for which may help in figuring it out?

Now if it said, Warrier's lose their hair, I would know immediately! I'm trying to be funny here, and put a smile on my face about this awful hair loss.

I really wish I cold just speak with Dr. D, if only for a few minutes.  Oh, my kingdom for some hair, or 5 minutes with Dr D!

Rose


Warrior...longer head...you gotta measure your jaw angle...because it's totally different from
a Teacher.

Warrior....it's distinctive that the ring fingers are longer than pointer fingers..which means
we were exposed to more androgens than estrogen in the womb..

Warrior.....legs are shorter from hip to knee than from knee to ankle.

Did you buy the Genotype test kit?  IT's only $14.95...worth the investment because
you get to do your fingerprint test.  That reveals a lot of differences between the two types.

Did you go to Youtube.com and see Dr. D's video clips on measuring yourself?

I don't know much about Teachers.  Maybe a helpful Teacher will chime in to offer some
help..

I could tell by my personality that I was not a Teacher.  They are too calm...









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Are there any "distinctive" characters I should be looking for which may help in figuring it out?

I really wish I cold just speak with Dr. D, if only for a few minutes.  


I recommend skipping the search for distinctive characteristics and going directly to the advanced calculators on page 290 of the book. Test for Rh and secretor status if you need these to determine your genotype (not always necessary).




Phone consulatations with members of the clinic's staff are available, if you need additional guidance.



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Another difference between Warriors and Teachers is that Warriors have a "thrifty worldview" and are metabolism based.  I think this means they are like gatherers and tend to hold on to calories and weight.  Teachers  have a "tolerant worldview" and are receptor based.  This is supposed to be like the Nomad.  I really can't explain what that means.  Have to read more of the book.  I do remember that warriors tend to flush, and can be choleric, or have a tendency to get angry at times.  More so
than the teacher anyway.   These are a few anecdotes I remember from the GTD book.
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I read it in a magazine that the compounding pharmacies were not allowed to make bio identical hormones..trying to remember which one..due to Wyeth petitioning the FDA. The company where I got my BHRT went out of business..Perhaps this is only in certain areas? Maybe it hasn't reached your area. BTW, you don't need progesterone to prevent broken bones. Some calcium, vitamin D and resistance training (lifing weights) will prevent it...

  


You can always get them mail order from Womens International Pharmacy, and a few other places.

Wyeth is trying to stop them from selling estriol, and there is a Sense of the Congress Resolution (H. Con. Res. 342) that will challenge the FDA on this.  If you support our right to purchase these medications prescribed by our physicians, write to your congressperson and ask them to support this resolution.  Note that for those of us who've had breast cancer, estriol if the only safe form of estrogen.

If calcium, Vitamin D and resistance training have worked to prevent osteopenia and osteoporosis for you, then you are very lucky.  That does not work for many women.  And progesterone does not work for many women either.  It just happens that for my Mom and me, it does work.
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This is where I'm confused about my Geno type. .  
You mentioned that Warriers hold onto to weight and calories, however, I'm 5'4 , 120 lbs and very slim.  But then, when it's comes to "flushing" or getting angry at times, that would be me, which seems more like the Teacher?????  Us A's seem to be stressed out.  (wouldn't you be if you were losing your hair!!!)

It appears my legs from hip to knee or shorter than knee to ankle (which makes me a warrior) I think I'll remeasure my jaw angle.  

Anything else I can check which would help me determine?

Thanks

Rose
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To:  Paulam
This is where I'm confused about my Geno type. .  
You mentioned that Warriers hold onto to weight and calories, however, I'm 5'4 , 120 lbs and very slim.  But then, when it's comes to "flushing" or getting angry at times, that would be me, which seems more like the Teacher?????  Us A's seem to be stressed out.  (wouldn't you be if you were losing your hair!!!)

It appears my legs from hip to knee or shorter than knee to ankle (which makes me a warrior) I think I'll remeasure my jaw angle.  

Anything else I can check which would help me determine?


Thanks

Rose


Did you measure your ring finger length?  If it's longer than pointer finger, it points to
Warrior.

I would think a short temper is more Warrior-like.....Teachers are more patient and easy
going, I think.




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get your whole panel done.......knowing your secretor status, and subtype as well is helpful.
called the serotyping panel.....


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get your whole panel done.......knowing your secretor status, and subtype as well is helpful.
called the serotyping panel.....


Yes, there are many things you need to know if you are a non secretor Rose.

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If calcium, Vitamin D and resistance training have worked to prevent osteopenia and osteoporosis for you, then you are very lucky.  That does not work for many women.  And progesterone does not work for many women either.


It probably would work for many women if they followed the BTD or GTD instead of the SAD   Just curious how long have you been following the BTD or GTD? I'm thinking it could also be the length of time one eats the proper foods whether osteoporosis occurs or not..and of course there are other factors. Take my Warrior sister for example..She was a smoker up until this year at 54 years old. She ate the SAD, is about 85 pounds over weight and has osteoporosis from smoking and eating red meat.  I don't have osteoporosis.  
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It probably would work for many women if they followed the BTD or GTD instead of the SAD   Just curious how long have you been following the BTD or GTD?  


BTD since 1997, and GTD since January

Our bodies still get older, even if we follow the diet  
It would no doubt be worse without the BTD/GTD guidance.
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BTD since 1997, and GTD since January

Our bodies still get older, even if we follow the diet  
It would no doubt be worse without the BTD/GTD guidance.


So, have you noticed many benefits from it? Do tell! I have an O son, of which I'm trying to get off wheat.  That will be a project. His favorite food is pizza. I'm gathering some non wheat crust recipes but I can't stop him from the pizza parlor.

I started it in 2003 but I'd go off to try another stupid diet fad   then go back on..off..on..off..I was a sucker for a new diet.   Thank goodness I kept a journal or I'd be so confused..lol.
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Well if I had a choice, I'd rather be an O than an A.  
Then, I wouldn't look like I look, or worry about my health as much. Compared to all other A's, I really hate the way I look. I'm not even a normal looking Warrior.  I think O females's are so much more attractive than me.  



Mayflowers - I hear what you are saying here and I understand what you mean about not following your typical bloodtype profile and how irritating it can be.  Being a short hunter at 5' 1 1/2", I am not lean at all and have weight to lose yet, I too don't fit the mold.  I have had the immune issues of a hunter and the environmental sensitivities of an explorer.

But don't you think that part of our menopausal (and life) journeys are embracing ourselves for who and what we are right now.  So I say embrace the beautiful A bloodtype/Warrior person that you are.

Tea Rose



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But don't you think that part of our menopausal (and life) journeys are embracing ourselves for who and what we are right now.  So I say embrace the beautiful A bloodtype/Warrior person that you are.


Thanks for the rah, rah TR.  

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But don't you think that part of our menopausal (and life) journeys are embracing ourselves for who and what we are right now.  So I say embrace the beautiful A bloodtype/Warrior person that you are.

Tea Rose


I have many moments where I'm completely happy to be where I am.....happy about my age, my collective wisdom gleaned from my life experience so far.

BUT, I think this must be true for everyone who finds themselves getting older....There
are moments when I might just say to myself.."I would love to rewind the tape...take
what I've learned and apply it to the mistakes I've made".

Difficult to be specific...but it has more to do with my behavior rather than what I've
eaten or didn't eat....The arguments I had that I now know how to resolve without getting
overly emotionally involved....My stubborness which has mellowed...my need to be right
when in the big picture it never mattered....

And then analyzing all of this....I cannot help by remind myself that in twenty years I'll
be a ridiculous EIGHTY FIVE YEARS OLD.....This is probably the most insane concept I
can imagine....myself as a true old person...

And then I return...to the moment...THIS moment and say to myself...who's counting...
THIS is the only moment there is..

And then I'm fine again.

Young people don't think this way....




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Rose,  Weve already communicated but I thought others would like to hear my story:

Things started going downhill when I was 44, weight gain in the abdomen, very tired in the afternoon and generally didnt feel well.  Thankfully my ND recommended BTD and Ive been following it ever since, about 95% compliant.  

Then 3 years ago the insomnia, memory problems, minor depression and hair loss began, my gyn prescribed bio-identical progesterone capsules and estradiol cream.  The symptoms were still there but greatly reduced.  

Last year, the symptoms increased and he added testosterone.  Symptoms were still there but, again, greatly reduced.  I also read and have been following Dr. Ds menopause book.  

The last 6 months have been unbearable, 2 to 3x a month Ive been having serious depression episodes (wacko witch!).  My poor husband and kids, and me tooI was miserable and hated life.  Two months ago I changed doctors.  This new doctor required a full panel blood test (not saliva) which was VERY expensive to see what my body was producing.  She prescribed bio-identical progesterone cream at night, estradiol and testosterone cream in the morning, Armour Thyroid, Pregnenolone and DHEA.  These last 6 weeks have been great, I feel like I did in my 30s.  Depression is gone although around my period I feel a little crabby but its manageable   , memory is much better, sleeping much better and hair loss very minimal (my hair loss wasnt as great as Rose's).   Added benefits Ive noticed is my close up vision improves and my nails are growing.  The blood test showed my thyroid in the normal range.  However, adding the Armour also helped my hair loss and my nail growth, imho.  Another benefit is Im not stressed out anymore.  My life is low stress yet I always felt stressed out, why??  The hormones have calmed me down and made me more relaxed.  It drives me nuts when people say slow down, youre doing too much, you just need to relax more.  No, thats not right, its the hormones.  A very nice benefit!  

We had a glitch in receiving my 2nd months hormones and prescriptions so I was off them for about 3 days the 3rd week in July.  Everything came right back depression, hair loss, everything.  The day after I received the hormones, I felt much, much better.

I will do another blood test next month while on these hormones and prescriptions to see where my body is.  Then blood tests every 6 months or year (depending on how I respond).  Ive had breast thermography the last 2 years which showed my thyroid is hot and Im estrogen dominant.  My blood test thyroid measurement came back normal but she still put me on Armour Thyroid and I think its really helped.

While I was off hormones for the 3 days, I tried the Iodine patch test someone on the website recommended and the iodine took overnight to disappear.  I believe this means no iodine deficiency.  I have used bladder wrack (Dr. Ds) and that helped a little.

My goal is to go off HRT asap but for now I really need it.  Ive tried the natural recommendations but I need more help.  I have my life back and its wonderful.

Im an O and I dont know if that has something to do with how I handle the hormones.  My exercise is spin class 2x a week (2 hours total), weights & core work 2x a week (1 hours total) and I hike the hills near my house 1x a week (1 hours).  My body fat is 24% and working on getting down to 22%, although if I dont make it, thats fine with me.  I was never an exercise person but after reading Dr. Ds books I forced myself to add it to my life.  I absolutely love it.  And it improves my moods but not enough.  I eat mostly grass fed beef (I buy a cow every year) and mostly organic veggies/fruit (I belong to a CSA).

My mother (O) had a difficult time with menopause; shes 80 and is still on bio-identicals.  My three younger sisters (all Bs) have not had any perimenopause symptoms yet.

Im grateful for the BTD, I would be in a lot worse shape if I wasnt following it.  Now I need to fine tune my HRT program which will be a life long process.    


Husband, daugher(17) and son(15) - we're all O's
BTD since Feb. 2003
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So, have you noticed many benefits from it?


Yes, huge benefits from eliminating wheat and dairy, and going back to eating red meat,  in the 90's.  And now more benefits from eliminating gluten.

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I've been there and done the menopausal symptoms years ago....


Ms. Chloe, sista', how long did menopause last for you?
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I have many moments where I'm completely happy to be where I am.....happy about my age, my collective wisdom gleaned from my life experience so far.

BUT, I think this must be true for everyone who finds themselves getting older....There
are moments when I might just say to myself.."I would love to rewind the tape...take
what I've learned and apply it to the mistakes I've made".

Difficult to be specific...but it has more to do with my behavior rather than what I've
eaten or didn't eat....The arguments I had that I now know how to resolve without getting
overly emotionally involved....My stubborness which has mellowed...my need to be right
when in the big picture it never mattered....

And then analyzing all of this....I cannot help by remind myself that in twenty years I'll
be a ridiculous EIGHTY FIVE YEARS OLD.....This is probably the most insane concept I
can imagine....myself as a true old person...

And then I return...to the moment...THIS moment and say to myself...who's counting...
THIS is the only moment there is..

And then I'm fine again.

Young people don't think this way....




Beautifully said Chloe!  Thanks for sharing that with us.

Tea Rose




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Kathleen,

Thank you for sharing your story also - I am so glad that you have found some relief.  I know how hard it is to change doctors when you are feeling depressed and I commend you for looking until you found something that works for you.  

Tea Rose



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Ms. Chloe, sista', how long did menopause last for you?


This can't be answered simply.

In my late 40s, I started having " issues"....I became severely
depressed.  That was my first symptom...then sleep problems....I remember being about
47 or 48 when I went to see this alternative medical doctor who specialized in allergies and
environmental illness.  I truly thought the golf course near my house was poisoning me
and thought I felt sick and "off" because they sprayed chemicals near my street.  I felt
foggy, tired, hungry, pissed off and not easy to live with.

I had night sweats about the same time.. before I had any loss of periods.  But by my late 40s my periods were getting way too heavy and lasting way too long.  I attribute that to a lack
of adequate progesterone.  That very same doctor started using progesterone cream on
most of his female patients, believing we were all estrogen dominant. He was on the right
track. He also had me take flax oil.  But my stress level was crazy high.  I was living on sugar
and junk food because, like a drug, it lifted me for a short while before I crashed.  Day
after day I craved junk, ate junk and crashed again.  Some days I slept for 10 straight hours.
Some nights I watched TV all night.  Cortisol levels obviously high...adrenals slowly but
surely becoming non functional.

I remember having problems with using just the progesterone cream...I'd get periods
every other week....so...with these new symptoms, he asked me to try the bio-identical
hormones.  I did that for a few years, never feeling like it was working.

This little intervention with HRT before I ever went into actual menopause was my downfall.
I was being medicated without true cause...never getting a chance for my hormones to wind
down naturally.  And the HRT  wasn't adequately being measured or calibrated for my body.

So from age 49 to about 53, I did the hormones, stopped for awhile (disgusted at not being
able to regulate one single period...and finding myself either bleeding for weeks at a time or
feeling like I had chronic PMS).

At age 53  I decided I had ENOUGH....I stopped the hormones...went through a few weeks
of withdrawal, night sweats, hot flashes, poor sleep...and then I felt I was having problems
dealing with carbohydrates....it took me about 3 months to stop getting periods
and I've been that way ever since.  The complete withdrawal of supplemental estrogen and
progesterone made me feel normal.

Well, not 100% normal.  Then I had severe vaginal dryness for a long while..I had no clue what to take or what to do. The one thing that totally got rid of the dryness was the Warrior
diet...(YAY WARRIOR DIET).  I think it's the oils...the fact that they're diamonds...the flax,
hemp combined with the right foods.  That was something I wanted to share given we're
talking about a subject like this...Warriors have hormonal imbalances but I honestly
feel rather balanced at the moment....after 7 months on the diet.

So, really I'm not sure about how long it took me. I was abnormally delayed and wished I
could have known what this would have been like without intervention...It was a well intended
MD...He went to seminars and studied under very bright mentors, but bio-identical hormones
were in their infancy and hardly anyone knew how to dose properly.  It was compounded
but not specifically compounded for me.  Blood tests were fairly useless because it always
showed my estrogen to be low.

I am more than happy to share anything you all want to ask, because this was one of the
most difficult journeys of my life and looking back, I don't think it should have been...and I honestly see how much you all need to have someone older than yourselves to talk to!








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Chloe,
Thanks for your great post.  I am 51 and have had heavy yet regular periods for quite a while now. I'd say about 2 years.  I too tried progesterone cream that was recommended by an alternative
md.  It seemed to help, but caused other problems, and I am inconsistent.  So I just stopped using it.
I think I may have fibroids.....may be anemic also.  I am going to try simple things like taking dessicated liver for the iron.  I just took some stinging nettle the last few days, and it seemed to slow the bleeding down.  But I don't want to try additional hormones.  My mom said she had heavy
periods before her meno finally finished.  My sister younger by 5 years had a hysterectomy for
similar problems, endometriosis, etc.  Anyway, I really agree with you that adrenal health is a big one for dealing with menopause.  Thanks again for sharing your experiences!
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Thanks Chloe. I really appreciate the help. I am very similar to you. I had the night sweats in my 40's also..

  Progesterone only gave me more hot flashes.. I slept much better but got worse hot flashes from it.  The company I got my progesterone cream from went by how you felt instead of blood levels because they said the amount that's floating around in the blood isn't what's being used by the body so it's an inaccurate way to measure hormones. The jury might still be out on that one.
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Remember Dr. Lee...the guy who wrote the book on using progesterone cream...the guy
who discovered most women are estrogen dominant?  

Here's another point of view..

"Progesterone is highly fat soluble and once applied to the skin will store itself in a woman's fat tissue. When one first uses the cream, there is no problem here as the fat stores are very low. But as time goes on, the cream accumulates and contributes to disruptions in the adrenal hormones such as DHEA, cortisol, and testosterone. Although progesterone cream is an enormously useful tool, it needs to be used very cautiously.

It is FAR MORE IMPORTANT to work to normalize the adrenal hormones first. Once the adrenal hormones are balanced, the progesterone levels will frequently normalize and one will not require any cream.



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It is FAR MORE IMPORTANT to work to normalize the adrenal hormones first. Once the adrenal hormones are balanced, the progesterone levels will frequently normalize and one will not require any cream.


I think I saw something to that affect in Schwarzbein's book. You know her, she's Suzanne Somers' endo. Suzanne is so happy to be on BHRT. She actually gets monthly periods at 60. (I believe that's her age) My weight was out of control on BHRT. Schwarzbein's book was the one I was trying to do before I came back to the BTD, low carb for the adrenals. Then when I ended up giving up meat and just ate some fish and mostly vegetables, the lightbulb came on and I ended up back here (this time for good). I only do low carb sugar and dessert wise. Since potatoes are an avoid and all other white stuff, the Warrior diet is naturally low carb following only beneficials.

I forgot to mention that my mom, who had a hysterectomy at 55, was trying the progesterone cream thing for a few months..I remember her doing it. I guess it had been out only a few years then..She actually got vaginal bleeding (with a hysterectomy?) from it and had to stop it. I wonder what caused that?

I think Paula that natural is the best way to go. Some women need and do well on HRT other's don't. For us "others" we try to find the best alternative methods that work for us..
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I think I saw something to that affect in Schwarzbein's book. You know her, she's Suzanne Somers' endo. Suzanne is so happy to be on BHRT. She actually gets monthly periods at 60. (I believe that's her age) My weight was out of control on BHRT. Schwarzbein's book was the one I was trying to do before I came back to the BTD, low carb for the adrenals. Then when I ended up giving up meat and just ate some fish and mostly vegetables, the lightbulb came on and I ended up back here (this time for good). I only do low carb sugar and dessert wise. Since potatoes are an avoid and all other white stuff, the Warrior diet is naturally low carb following only beneficials.

I forgot to mention that my mom, who had a hysterectomy at 55, was trying the progesterone cream thing for a few months..I remember her doing it. I guess it had been out only a few years then..She actually got vaginal bleeding (with a hysterectomy?) from it and had to stop it. I wonder what caused that?

I think Paula that natural is the best way to go. Some women need and do well on HRT other's don't. For us "others" we try to find the best alternative methods that work for us..


This might be where I got the info from...I write down all sorts of notes to myself and copy
and paste all over my computer so it's possible this is Schwarzbein's material. I am aware
Suzanne Somers is her patient...but it seemed to have taken SS a very long time to get her
body balanced. I still don't think most women should be taking oral hormones unless they're
being carefully monitored.  The fact that any drug one takes has to be broken down by the
liver and has to clear out of the body efficiently, in this polluted and overly xenoestrogenic
world of plastics, pesticides, etc which no doubt are already sitting in our bodies, unable
to be eliminated, the only way to go in my opinion is to detox first...I love that NAP makes
so many great formulas that address this.  I've taken many of them with positive effects.
I currently take Detoxical-D and Hepatiguard plus Live Cell A and Deflect.

Schwarzbein's books are super complicated for me to read.  I have them all...highlighted
and re-read much of it more than twice, but in the end, it's simpler, I think than she makes
it out to be.  At least for me, type A and a Warrior where I already know and believe that
I'm subject to hormonal imbalances and a diet is designed (with supplements to go along
with it) that is addressing not only genetic issues but hormonal issues.  I feel lucky to have
found such a spectacular way to help heal and enhance my body without having to seek out lots of medical specialists. (I hate medical specialists anyway...!)

And WOW, Mayflowers, your mom had vaginal bleeding after a hysterectomy when she
used progesterone cream?   Without a uterus?  Could progesterone cream break down
soft tissue elsewhere in the vaginal cavity?  Weird!





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And WOW, Mayflowers, your mom had vaginal bleeding after a hysterectomy when she used progesterone cream?   Without a uterus?  Could progesterone cream break down soft tissue elsewhere in the vaginal cavity?  Weird!



Yep, weird huh?
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Hi Ladies!

I know HRT is not the way to go, and would soooooooooooo very much like to handle things "naturaly," however when a woman is losing as much hair as I am, we become so desperate.

I went for a trim yesterday and there is hardly any hair left on my scalp.  It's so embaressing and I feel so unattractive.  I have always taken great pride in my appearance, and especially now that I'm divorced, so this is very hard. As a woman, losing your hair is almos as devastating as cancer.  Its' that tramatic.  Just picture one day waking up and all your hair is falling out.

You could have a million-dollar outfit on, and if you have crappy hair, or no hair you feel terrible.

Someone earlier said just embrass the "change" and feel good about yourself.  To be honest, I can handle the night sweats, insomnia, brain farts, etc. .  but not losing my hair and going bald.  We look like an alien.

That is why I wish my mom or sister were still alive and I could talk to them for support.  I lost my mom a month before my divorce, and my sister, who is only 1 yr older than me, about 3 years ago.  I miss them so very much.  I'm so grateful for all of you!

That is why I wish Dr. D would step into this post and give me his input.  But that's not a reality, and because of my divorce and financial situation, I cannot afford to fly to his clinic.

To be honest, I really thought I had this whole menopausal/hair issue worked out (finally!) because a few months ago the hot flashes stopped, and my hair loss stopped and I had a bunch of growth coming.  But then the hot flashes came back BIG time and with that major, major hair loss, and everything which grew in, fell out.

Gold Bless

Rose
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give us an idea of what you eat and the lifestyle you lead.

also, which system are you now following, and if you have the meno book.

your secretor test is key, to target your food choices and protocols given in the book.
the whole serotype panel won t hurt, being an A, there might be another clue......every resource is worth looking into, specially if you are going through these hard times.


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I have always eaten very healthy.  I stay away from red meat and eat fish, chicken or turkey.  I eat lost of vegetables and fruit according to the BTD A protocol.  I also have the menoapuse book and have implemented that as well.

I'm very active and love to run, fast walking and incorporate weights (now & then).

Just prior to loggin back in, I was in the bathroom looking in the mirror and just started to cry.

I guess if I was married and had a sweetie to support me through this it would be a little easier.  However, when your single, and having to "be out there" in the dating world, it becomes very difficult, and I wouldn't even dream of dating with this hair!  And I have so much love to give.

I eat right, exercise and take very good care of myself and believe in taking very good care of myself -- and yet. . .this hair is falling out.  I just don't understand.

God Bless

Rose
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what if you found out you were a non secretor.......or if you happened to be a warrior, were you to follow GTD?

certain things in your everyday diet might not be the right things.....
just a thought..


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Rose,
I really hear you, girlfriend! It's got to be a terrible feeling....I have very thin hair and really hate it, but it is not falling out...I believe I shrunk the follicles by being a vegetarian for 27 yr.....lack of protein...
but if yours is as bad as it sounds maybe you could get a small fall or wig...until you solve the problem....remember, Jackie O always wore a fall, she had very thin hair!!!!
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I have always eaten very healthy.  I stay away from red meat and eat fish, chicken or turkey.  I eat lost of vegetables and fruit according to the BTD A protocol.  I also have the menoapuse book and have implemented that as well.

I eat right, exercise and take very good care of myself and believe in taking very good care of myself -- and yet. . .this hair is falling out.  I just don't understand.

God Bless

Rose


You might "eat right" for a type A, but if your hair loss is anything relatable to a genetic
glitch or something that can be rewound and repaired through the Genotype Diet, if I
were you, I'd find out my secretor status, body measurements and switch to the Warrior
or Teacher diet. (possibly you're an Explorer).  And then, what you're saying, "I eat right" might
not be as accurately truthful as you think.

For many people without serious issues like yours, the BTD might be great for them...But, long before Dr. D did his research in an entirely different direction...taking into consideration that many diseases and health issues can actually be repaired through the genes themselves, all that was available was the Blood Type Diet.  Now there's more.  And one of the genotype diets might be "THE" right diet that might alter your hormonal imbalance and help you re-grow
your hair.

You're eating chicken, you said..  Warriors don't get chicken ever. It's a toxin food..  And we don't get all fish.. we get specific fish and many are toxins.  And we don't get to eat all vegetables.  A Warrior's diet is low on the glycemic index scale.  So if you're eating "lots" of vegetables, many might be wrong for either a Teacher or a Warrior.  Many that you're eating might elevate your blood sugar and throw off your hormones completely.

I encourage you to think out of the box right now.  If you've done everything you think
you can do, please consider doing one more thing to help yourself.  I consider the
Genotype Diet to be the "state of the art" diet...one that is revolutionary and might have
a better chance of helping you than the one you're on.

Can you please post a list of the foods you ate yesterday so perhaps those reading your
posts and pleas can see if they can help you?

I totally agree with Lola.....it would really be beneficial for you to get your secretor status done and find out your Genotype status.  It's cheaper than a doctor's visit and  it's, in my opinion, valuable information you really should know so you can be on the right diet.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TE002




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Rose,
I went back to the GTD book to compare the warrior and the teacher profiles.  One difference that may be important is that the Warrior tends to develop "thick blood" with age, and it causes circulation problems.  If you are a warrior, this could affect circulation to the scalp also.  Did you ever take evening primrose oil?  On another thread from some months ago, someone mentioned that a lack of GLA oils could also affect hairloss.  Evening primrose is a diamond oil for warriors.

Another way to tell which type you are is by your fingerprint patterns.   I think teachers have more
whorls, which are pretty distinct.  Warriors have more arch type fingerprints.  Does this help at all?
I do think if you could follow one of these diets, it would be more helpful than just the btd....
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Ok, I'm going to send away for the Secretor Status kit.  It's just that I'm so financially struggling due to a divorce, etc.

Is there any way I can get buy without having to order another kit to find out my Genotype?  

so far, my ring finger is longer than my index finger, I have more whorls, and I will try and remeasure my upper and lower torso, and head measurements this weekend.

I thought I was a Warrior, but now someone said Teachers have more Whorls?   It's so confusing!

By any chance is there anyone here familiar with the GenoType that lives in Wisconsin that can help me with my measurements?  I hope, I hope.  I live in Kenosha, Wisconsin which is near the Illinois border.

Many thanks to all of your for your knowledge, compassion and help.  You're simply the greatest!

Rose
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Rose,
I read that teachers have more whorls.  You mentioned that your Mom and sister have both passed away.  Did they have cancer?  Were they type A's do you know?  Again, these also could be more
teacher.  
I am pretty sure that the link above from Chloe is just for the secretor test only.  You can buy it
separately.  I think it is your best bet to get that test done.  Then go from there.  I hope there is someone nearby who can help you remeasure.....bestest wishes!
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Hi Paulam!

My mother passed away of colon cancer, and my sister came down with Guilliam Barre Syndrome (inflammation of the spinal cord) which left her permanently paralyzed from the chest down.  She had partial use of her arms.  She was only 29 yrs old when it happend.  Very sad.  And she passed away 4 years ago.  She was only 49 yrs. old.  I miss them so much!

I have no idea what blood type they were.

In order to figure out my GenoType do I only need to order the secretor test?  I have the GenoType book.

Rose

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it s all in the book, self explanatory to say the least.

look at the advanced tables starting on page 290....
take all your measurements, watching the videos helps a lot, also the illustrations in the book.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GenoTypeDiet

make it a fun experience, not a stressful situation.....
our minds are powerful and we can adapt them to our needs.


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Rose,

Knowing you're secretor status makes it more accurate, and easier to do. You can skip a lot of tests and go right to the advanced calculator.  
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if secretor, you could be a teacher
if non secretor you could be an explorer
since you are RH positive.....


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Isn't it the Teacher that has a reversal of finger lengths from hand to hand?  Meaning on one
hand the ring finger could be longer but on the other hand, the index finger might be longer.

Rose...did you notice a discrepancy in finger lengths from hand to hand?

And Lola, couldn't Rose possibly be a Warrior as well, if she finds out she's a secretor?


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yes, all those options are possible...she ll need to find out her status as well as her torso and leg measurements....


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weew toll all such infos.....I only do the wild yams 3x1
caps. a day and that's all for menopausal issues...ooops not true I added 3mg's of Boron as well. Ok I do still have the hot flashes but they are supportable, I sleep + - well at night but
when I tried all the herbal supps. nothing really worked for me
and I'm convinced that since being on BTD my body is able to detox much quicker....


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[quote=190]I honestly believe you can balance hormones with diet...I can't say enough about the GTD..
I wish I had known about it when I was 40 something...when I needed it the most.[quote]

Chole, I am 40 thank you so much for your post. I am going to buy the GTD book tomorrow!!!
Dawn

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I'm an ectomorphic Gatherer, my premenopause stuff started in my 30s likely due to accelerated aging from the vegan diet.  I went on the BCP at age 33 to deal with acne, insomnia etc, now wondering if it could have been avoided.  I'm likely on hrt for life...just can't cope without a,lot of estrogen.  
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I'm an ectomorphic Gatherer, my premenopause stuff started in my 30s likely due to accelerated aging from the vegan diet.  I went on the BCP at age 33 to deal with acne, insomnia etc, now wondering if it could have been avoided.  I'm likely on hrt for life...just can't cope without a,lot of estrogen.  


Have you considered bio-identical transdermal hormones?  They have positively changed my life!  They don't have to pass through the liver and are identical to the body's own natural hormones, as opposed to being synthetic.  I am estrogen deficient as well, but the bio-identicals have really improved my quality of life  


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