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Hi Pat.

The fingerprint ridge height, in combination with the 'white lines' can tell
a lot about the state of health of the gut mucosa. By taking the fingerprints
and counting how many 'white lines' (lines crossing the normal fingertip prints) one can determine the likelihood of permeable gut or possibly ceoliac disease.

Here's a text on fingerprinting techinque from IfHI notes:

- Fingers to be printed must be clean and dry.
- The individual being fingerprinted should be asked to
stand in front of and at a forearm's length from the
fingerprinting device. The individual should stand to
the right and rear of the person taking the fingerprints.
- Encourage the individual being fingerprinted to relax.
- Grasp the individual's right hand at the base of the
thumb with your right hand. Cup your hand over the
individual's fingers, tucking under those fingers not
being printed. Guide the finger being printed with your
left hand.
- Roll the finger on the inking plate or inkless pad so
that the entire fingerprint pattern area is evenly
covered with ink. The ink should cover from one edge
of the nail to the other and from the crease of the first
joint to the tip of the finger.
- Traditionally fingerprints were taken by ‘inking
plate and roller,’ however nowadays the best
method by far is the so-called ‘semi-inkless method’
- With the semi-inkless Fingerprinting system
there is no messy black ink to get all over your
hands and require the subject to wash off.
- Practice makes perfect. You just have to develop a
‘feel’ for the pressure required.
- Common mistakes:
- Fingers are not fully rolled (nail to nail).
- Impressions are blurred or smudged.
- Too much ink/insufficient ink.
- Fingerprint impressions are not centered.

Sorry I haven't got a link to nice pics at the moment. Hopefully in time....





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thanks Lloyd. when you get the pics that'd be great if you posted. Maybe Doc will put it back up.

PS...Lloyd you're  a peach for cleaning that up!!




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More stuff from IfHI material:

Research dating back to the early 1970’s has linked the appearance of white lines to adults who suffer with celiac disease. Typically, the number of white lines increases with age and with subsequent deterioration of gut integrity. Ridge height is the only aspect of fingerprints that can actually change with your health status. Most interestingly, these white lines often improve with the maintenance of a gluten free diet, and researchers suggested that improvements to ridge height and disappearance of white lines could be used as an indicator of the patient’s response to diet therapy, although complete improvement of the fingerprints could often take as long as two years.

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Okay. This PDF file has several pictures of prints with white lines. The examples are on pages 15 and 23 of the PDF, as well as example (b) on page 7.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks for that info, Lloyd, its very interesting.  I had never noticed the lines across my fingerprints before.  Are the ridges higher or lower with good health, please?

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Higher fingerprint ridge height represents a healthy intestinal lining.


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Higher ridge height will reduce/eliminate the white lines. The white lines become noticeable as the ridge height diminishes. Thus, a healthier gut lining/mucosa will result in higher ridge height and fewer white lines. In the year plus that I have been working on my gut health, there has been a significant reduction in the white lines.

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LLoyd,
Can you talk a bit about what specifically may be helping your gut lining to become healthier?  If anyone has
ever seen a drawing of the "wood" hand in oriental diagnosis, that is me.  I have so many lines/wrinkles on my palms/fingertips.  I
am a typical O secretor, probably am celiac also, but never been tested....
Is intrinsa part of your program?  Thanks!  

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LLoyd,
Can you talk a bit about what specifically may be helping your gut lining to become healthier?  
Is intrinsa part of your program?  Thanks!  


Hi paulam!

Yes, I used caprylic acid religiously. I believe Intrinsa is a better source of the caprylic as many of the other products on the market use zinc caprylate, which in the quantity used can throw off the zinc-copper balance in the body causing other problems. Plus, Intrinsa has butyric acid as well which is not in other supps. Along with high dietary compliance and the intestinal health protocol for your type, there should be steady gradual improvement in your gut lining.

The protocol does not mention ARA6 (Larch arabinogalactin, a pre-biotic) which I believe is also useful. Some use ghee in addition or instead of other MCT supplementation (MCT = medium chain triglyceride, ie caprylic acid).

In my opinion, the type-specific probiotic along with L-glutamine and Intrinsa (the better source of caprylic acid) are the minimum supplementation to use if the fingerprints are showing white lines on most or all fingers (and thumbs).

Celiacs should avoid glutens, of course, and it may help others as well to avoid glutens.

It may take a long period of time (1 year plus in some cases) for more severe cases to heal adequately enough to show in the fingerprints. Celiacs (and possibly some others) may not see their fingerprints improve even with improvement in gut health.

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I just saw that newly posted video about fingerprints, white lines, and the possibility of celiac disease. I didn't have to do the fingerprint exercises to see the "white lines" all over my finger pads! Looking at them made me so scared I cried. I looked at a list of the symptoms of it and started freaking out.

I just lost my insurance yesterday (literally!) so going to a specialist to test if I have celiac disease is out unless I pay COBRA. I was planning to sign up for the county hospital health program for people with low income, but the quality provided by this program varies wildly, depending on the doctor you happen to get.

I'm just not sure what to do. I need some "scientific backing" to show that "white lines" are a true indicator of celiac disease. Then, I'd either have to pay a small fortune to get tested or pray that the people at the county hospital will actually take me seriously.

Any ideas on what to do?
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I have white lines, too!
do not panic........
try finding out your secretor and subtype status, and adapt the guidelines accordingly.
avoid the avoids first, and keep fine tuning, adding some of the protocols every now and then.

healing your gut in a compliant way will have its benefits.

if gluten makes you feel lousy, then avoid it completely, even if the gluten containing grain is in your neutral or beneficial category.

I have been avoiding all grains for so long now, and the occasional rice cake, or spelt bread or manna, Ezequiel I used to have in the past, didnt affect me......so you do not necessarily have to be a celiac and have white lines, that s a fact.
just adhere to your plan, add ghee and take it a day at a time....let food be your medicine!!


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Quoted from Lola
healing your gut in a compliant way will have its benefits.

if gluten makes you feel lousy, then avoid it completely, even if the gluten containing grain is in your neutral or beneficial category.



Lola is correct.  There are many individuals that come to the clinic that have white lines.  White lines are indicative to sensitivity, not necessarily to full blown celiac disease (for which treatment includes a gluten free diet).  

Far to often individuals feel it is necessary to back symptomology with expensive testing.  In many cases, listening to your body is enough to know when something is "off."  Remove gluten and see how you feel.  In addition to that and following your BTD, look above for discussion of supplementation with short-chain fatty acids.
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great insight! thanks for sharing!


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Hi Geekchic,
Don't worry;  Be Happy!  
With the blood type diet, you have one of the best healing tools at your disposal that you could possibly have.  That's the first step in healing, and the more you can fine tune your diet, the more you will heal.
I had a lifetime of chronic intestinal pain and suffering, which greatly, greatly improved with total adherence to my blood type regime.  I took a couple of Celiac tests through bloodwork a year or two ago, and the tests were negative.  However, I was advised by my wise doctor that a person does not have to be technically Celiac to be damaged by gluten.  He recommended that I go completely gluten-free for 3 months and just see if it made a difference.  
I followed his advice and actually noticed a difference within days.  My IBS has now completely abated, and I am having normal bowel functions for the first time since childhood.  During that period of transitioning, I took Intrinsia. Currently, I continue to take Polyflora and ARA6 every day and use a little ghee daily, as well.

If you want to save your money for something helpful for your health, look toward the secretor test.  It can work wonders to be able to know for sure that you are completely on track.



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Natalie is right, as is Victoria.  Unless you have severe intestinal problems, a biopsy is not necessary, IMO.  You don't need a lab to tell you something you will already know, once you eliminate gluten for a few months and see how it helps.  Of course, you give up the chance of getting a positive biopsy in the future, if you're gluten free, but if you see real results you won't need lab results.  Poor gut glycosylation can be so minimal on a biopsy that they may not interpret it correctly anyway, if you haven't developed full blown celiac disease.  And as I read in an article about testing children for celiac disease, "why wait till the bitter end for positive test results, if consuming gluten is making them sick?"

I can certainly see changes in my white lines, when I'm compliant and avoid accidental glutens the ridge height improves and the lines fade, if I get glutened or have milk the lines come back and the ridge height gets lower (the very middle of my prints is almost smoothed down, at it's worst.)  Take some prints, and compare in a few months.  My prints were much easier to get last spring than they were 2 years ago, though I still have some ways to go, thanks to my occasional milk relapses and restaurant-going.  (I also have DH, so my elbows and knees also 'speak to me' if I've been too careless, and I get rough circles of thick dry skin on them, and milk can cause these for me as well)

Being without good insurance, I'd just do a trial diet, and it it shows results, chalk yourself up as gluten sensitive...which can be just as serious as celiac disease, but doctors and insurance companies don't realize that yet.

You could get a stool test from enterolab if you want something to back you up.  That's what I did for my son because no matter how much I told family that gluten was making him sick, they believed the lab more than they believed me.  He had a classic case, as many children with it do.  He hardly needed any tests since gluten made him look like a walking skeleton, gluten-free made him healthy, simple as that.  If I had subjected him to all the tests, it would have been misery for him (and me), and the tests may not have come out positive yet, since it can take months or years of illness before the damage is extensive enough to show up on the test.

Doctors will cast doubt on the stool test, but at least it's something.  Blood tests may also be affordable enough, but they miss too many cases, even of full blown CD.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Thanks for all of your advice! I have calmed down a bit since I have written that post. Avoiding gluten, while challenging, will not be horrible. Eating meat makes me feel better than eating wheat, anyway.

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And as I read in an article about testing children for celiac disease, "why wait till the bitter end for positive test results, if consuming gluten is making them sick?"


That's a relief to know that I don't have to be tested to know that I'm gluten-sensitive. It will save me a lot of money and anxiety!
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Piece of cake.   Lots of O's use little or no grains. Quinoa, millet and rice offer alternatives. Plus, there's always beef!  
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If you can accept a self-diagnosis, then it's better than a doctor's diagnosis, the diet really is the gold-standard for diagnosis from the beginning...tests miss too many people, or show nothing until it's really far advanced.

I do occasionally recommend the biopsy, if I know somebody will decide that the diet is too hard one day and they're not really sure it's necessary, they don't want to be a bother for those who cook for them, etc. etc. then they go off the GF diet.  I try to prevent that.  But, BTDers are a different sort of person.  My nephew went GF after a stool test, I recommended the biopsy but he didn't want that, then he tried it and wasn't sure it was helping (though everyone else was, because he became himself again).  Now he's back on gluten, awaiting a biopsy, which I hope can still be accurate.  I didn't recommend the biopsy for his mom, my sister, because she's more like me, and I knew she'd stick to it...it took her 6 months to really notice an improvement in her fibromyalgia, but now the difference is like night and day, and she's never going back to gluten.  She was already low-carb (an O) so it's not that much harder.  Maybe one day she'll try BTD or GTD...

Anyway, it helps to have the fingerprints showing if it's working, that's a good feedback mechanism, and costs next to nothing!


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Does having white lines indicate a need to stay away from black dots for longer than six months of compliancy? In other words..should i avoid black dots completely until i have no white lines left?


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It's possible that your white lines will never go away. Some avoids will have more effect on your intestines than others. If it is correct for you to avoid gluten then it is correct to do so even if the food is not an avoid.
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More stuff from IfHI material:

Research dating back to the early 1970’s has linked the appearance of white lines to adults who suffer with celiac disease. Typically, the number of white lines increases with age and with subsequent deterioration of gut integrity. Ridge height is the only aspect of fingerprints that can actually change with your health status. Most interestingly, these white lines often improve with the maintenance of a gluten free diet, and researchers suggested that improvements to ridge height and disappearance of white lines could be used as an indicator of the patient’s response to diet therapy, although complete improvement of the fingerprints could often take as long as two years.


what a relief to learn that white lines and gut can be healed completely..


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what a relief to learn that white lines and gut can be healed completely..


As with everything, consider context. As we age there is a natural deterioration in many things and the gut lining is harder to maintain and recovery is slower. Celiac have more issues in this regard as well.

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When avoiding wheat, I find I have a lot less pain and stiffness especially in the mornings. I also have lots of white lines in my fingers and thumbs. I also started to avoid milk for a month or so now and have so improved my sinus, nasal congestion (it is amazing, since I have had problems for ever)
Is there any connection with dairy and gut or fingerprint ridge height? or is it mostly gluten?
Also, does one have to avoid the benificial cheeses on the GTD if one finds that avoiding milk makes a vast improvement in how mucus--y  I was?  
Also, which is more likely to cause itchy skin, milk or gluten?  
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hi Cinshad, I too had big improvements on my nose and sinuses, ctting milk and gluten (It healed well also my Spring eye allergy, treated with 3 months of eye drops). Technically an immune intolerance in the gut could give the same gut damage as gluten, but it is not frequently studied or observed on patients, as Medical doctors do not care enough of food intolerances and gut mucosae. In my case both dairy and gluten cause skin problems, but after one year on the Teacher diet my nose tolerate far better the cheeses, and I hope my scalp and skin will follow. My skin is sensitive when the weather is cold to nichel and gluten in a bad way, and gluten in toiletries is an avoid for me. Melissa Jones reported the same, i remember.
The worst mistake for me is dairy and gluten together, I cannot  really as I develop sinusitis or also otitis.
Sunday I had wheat for social reasons and my eyes felt immediately the pollen spring inflamation a bit. I am recovering well, but nasty, nasty to eat wheat for me.


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