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Major
Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 4:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Bs are prone to MS...read the story: "Beating MS with the BTD: The story of Debbie Cardone"
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/.....story-of-deb?blog=37


She was type O, not B... (the specific blood type is insignificant as far as MS is concerned anyway...) and indicates "I haven’t taken any medication since I was on the BTD for a month ten months ago." - this is back in Feb. 2006... any update on how it's worked out (i.e any relapses?) for the past six years?!? She never talks about how she was actually diagnosed with MS.. just having optic neuritis, a common MS relapse symptom true enough, or was there ever spinal tap oncological banding detected combined with MRI evidence to confirm the diagnosis? Extreme fatigue with being overweight will put you in a wheel chair! As far as chiropractor's go... well, not exactly a real doctor

Well, here's my take on my experience:

I went from June 2007 (my first lung surgery on my left lung - and my first MS relapse, but unknown at the time) to May 2011 (when I had my second relapse and was officially diagnosed using MRI's and spinal tap) - so, I went four years (not just 10 months) on the BTD, oblivious to my even haviing MS, and as such was not on any MS medication before finally beginning interferon in June 2011.

I'd also felt good during these four years, but was getting older (58 - attributed the minor fatigue to that), had got back to my high school weight (148 back down to 125 lbs), capable of exercising, etc. - then some extraordinary stress hit (filing bankruptsy pro se, about out of money, trying to find work, parents demanding my help constantly, etc.), and POW! My second relapse hit me in May 2011 that pretty much ended my engineering career, took me down, and forced me into disability - started on interferon (Avonex weekly self injection). Third relapse was around last xmas (surgery+stress)... and so apparently, interferon alone is NOT ENOUGH (BTD helps, but NEED the CAP antibiotic protocol...)

So,... in other words, my jury indicates the BTD alone is NOT GOING TO CURE/TREAT MS... MS treatment/cure is extremely complex, requiring a multi-level approach... it is life threatening, and demands more than some simplistic approach.


We find consulations, we learn tricks with which we deceive ourselves, but the essential thing - the way - we do not find. Listen to the river :-|

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Amazone I.
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Major, would you want please to get more informed about orthomolecular treatments here www.orthomed.org   those are the canadian groups and do have marvellous guys with huge knowledge and best results in all kinds of neurologic disorders as well .....
greetings and best wishes to you from Switzerland


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Quoted Text
She was type O, not B... (the specific blood type is insignificant as far as MS is concerned anyway...)

wrong
page 110 of the BT Encyclopedia is eye opening

Bs and ABs and specifically non secretors are highest, also rh positive

watch out for optic neuritis

the virus has a B like appearance...thus the B system cannot produce anti B antibodies

so depending on your blood type, you can follow the recommendations and protocols given
to each their own, so get a hold of an encyclopedia


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The CPn theory of MS is not new, and has a considerable amount of observational reports to suggest that there is some role for Chlamydia pneumoniae in the progression of the disease. However there is a wide discrepancy between the Vanderbilt team and other centers that have tried to duplicate their results For example, a head-to-head comparison on the same samples done in 2002 yielded widely differing results:

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Cerebrospinal fluid samples from controls and patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) were split and sent to laboratories with different experiences for the detection of Chlamydia pneumoniae by polymerase chain reaction. Vanderbilt investigators identified C. pneumoniae in the majority of patients with MS and uncommonly in controls. Laboratories at Johns Hopkins University, University of Umeå, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not identify C. pneumoniae in any of the samples. Conflicting reports of C. pneumoniae detection in the some samples from patents with MS highlight the need to exchange detection techniques among laboratories involved in this controversy.


Many pathogens, including Chlamydia pneumoniae, (Borrelia is another) have been associated with MS, and many MS patients are PCR negative for CPn so I  doubt that any single infectious agent is the cause of MS in every patient. This is probably an accurate assessment:

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MS might be an infectious syndrome in which C. pneumoniae has a role in a subset of patients.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16996738


The appropriateness of whether or not people want to try antibiotics presumptively for suspected CPn infection is a discussion that really should take place between a patient and their health care team and not on the internet. In many instances I'm sure that they will be tolerated and might be worthwhile. Nobody has the complete answer and patients should explore all opportunities.

Genetic variations like ABO, secretor status or whatever probably influence progression of most degenerative disease via a seed-soil type of relationship, versus direct cause and effect.  


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
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Major
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Cerebrospinal fluid samples from controls and patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) were split and sent to laboratories with different experiences for the detection of Chlamydia pneumoniae by polymerase chain reaction. Vanderbilt investigators identified C. pneumoniae in the majority of patients with MS and uncommonly in controls. Laboratories at Johns Hopkins University, University of Umeå, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not identify C. pneumoniae in any of the samples. Conflicting reports of C. pneumoniae detection in the some samples from patents with MS highlight the need to exchange detection techniques among laboratories involved in this controversy.


IF this issue was researched more, it would be found that the problem actually was with the incompetent way these other '3rd party' labs failed to properly test the samples - their methods were flawed which is why they never discovered the CPn connection in the first place... you know, antineoplaston therapy for curing cancer had a similar prejudice preventing it's validation, which is similar to the prejudice the BTD had to go thru for it's acceptance...

Quoted from Lola
get a hold of an encyclopedia


been there, done that  

Quoted from Amazone I.
Major, would you want please to get more informed about orthomolecular treatments here www.orthomed.org   those are the canadian groups and do have marvellous guys with huge knowledge and best results in all kinds of neurologic disorders as well .....greetings and best wishes to you from Switzerland


The english is hard to follow, but still I went to the website, found a lot of links for donations and to organization sites... not much on MS. Not sure what info was intended with the pot except to glorify orthomolecular 'science'?


We find consulations, we learn tricks with which we deceive ourselves, but the essential thing - the way - we do not find. Listen to the river :-|
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Major, just in case you don't realise, people on here are trying to help you but your replys seem little aggressive. I for example am just as passionate on my beliefs as you may be about yours.

This can happen when using just the typed word with no back up information from the the face or tone of voice and can work both ways. I am often misunderstood because of this too, perhaps be aware.

it would be helpful if you added your blood type to you profile. this helps everyone.

we have many discussions on vegan-ism for example.

By the way with relation to the inclined bed therapy - it is effective for some at an early stage.




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Major, your immune system interacts with every bit of food that you eat.  Your ABO blood type regulates the microbal aspects of the sealed preparation environment for your food; your intestinal tract.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3093412

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7202442

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/803885

MS and the Paleo Diet.

http://www.dailymotion.com/pla.....ros/1#videoId=x59iwc

The information in the Conference Video was most specific.  I am interested in your opinion of it.


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needed to stick this thread.... and wish you all the best my dear friend and it wasn't meant to glorify whatever.....and I apologize for my pidginings... but don't feel bad.. I won't change it anyway....


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Just was told about this Dr. who researched nutrition when diagnosed with MS.
Minding your Mitochondria

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video.....TxgujHf2nBE.facebook

Props to Dr. Bland.  

Nourishment.

It comes down to getting enough of what you need to have your body function properly.

Didn't read the whole thread, just saw a connection- so apologies if this was mentioned.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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