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Arit
Tuesday, March 20, 2007, 11:17am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi Everyone,

Not enough time to say much right now, but what I mentioned to Italy was how true the correlation between low vitamin D3 levels and immune system problems was for me. (Isa, you sent me info on this also! ) It's been in the news, but it isn't publicized enough imo. I had to request the test myself, even when seeing an MS specialist. My levels were quite low and I have supplemented since w/a lot of Vit D3. (Pure Encapsulations 5,000 IU capsules). When you do that it is advised that you monitor your levels regularly to avoid overdosing.

I first read about this in an article about MS and Vitamin D3 deficiency. Also gives important advice about which test to ask your lab for. http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/vitamin_d.htm

Arit, the lack of naturally produced Vitamin D3 in the southern hemisphere is rare, so I don't know if this info in particular would be as beneficial in your mom's case. Has she ever lived in the northern hemisphere?

Yes, she lived in Scotland for four years but I doubt if that would have any adverse effect on her because I lived in England for 7yrs and in Pennsylvania for 5yrs and I don't have any "earth shaking" health problem.  I rather think that since her body rejects orthodox treatment and she took them for any minor problem especially stomach cramps as she knew no other alternative then, her immune system just went out of whack and started attacking the healthy cells.

It is really hard to know what to do when the cause of an illness is not really known. I feel like I grasp at help from a million different sources, too. I have read about Kalawalla also. I would like to know what experiences you have with it.

I haven't any experience yet because I read about this last weekend for the first time and yesterday printed out the clinical trials of the plant for my dad who is a pharmacist to read.  He seems to have confidence in it because from experience he says ferns are very efficacious for various ailments but he just didn't realize a particular specie could be good for MS.  I'll place an order today and put my mum on it as soon as it arrives so let's say sometime next month I'll know how well it's worked for her condition.

According to their info, one could see 'results' w/in six months. I wonder what their 'results' means.   They did have a generous money back guarantee when I last checked out the info.

Their 'results' probably mean some of the symptoms would reduce significantly.  Oh well, if it works for my mum you bet I'll post it on this forum.  Even if it doesn't  work I'll let everyone know.

Ctc, Arit, does your dad/mom, respectively have any amalgam fillings?  That is one 'risk' factor that I have aplenty.

Oh no thank goodness for that.  If she did, I doubt if she'll be alive today because the disease would've dealt her a heavy blow long before now.

OK. Gotta run, but I will look for more on this topic, later, of course!  

Thanks LuHu.  I really appreciate your taking the time to put this information across.


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Arit,
she should avoid the corn starch in the RYR sup.


OK thanks Lola.  She has just 2 tablets left so I'll discontinue it and continue with Omega 3 supplement but when I receive Kalawalla, she'll no longer take Omega because I want to be sure of Kalawalla's efficacy or non-efficacy.  The only supplement I'll add will be some B vitamins to replenish the ones Kalawalla will rob her of.
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Hi Arit,

Perhaps your Mom may benefit from higher doses of vitamin B3 (niacin).  It was used by Sanchez back in the 1950's and was the first treatment for ms.  It dilates capillaries that's why many people get a niacin flush.

She might also benefit from a good hair-analysis, to see if there is a heavy metal toxicity issue.  Also see if there is a possibility of pesticide residue,

She might benefit from a newer product: liposomal glutathione.  If she adds @200mcg of selenium she will give her liver some clout to overcome toxicity.

Aside from this, some lecithin may assist .... I am very dubious of the use of omega-3's because there is no environmental trigger towards very cold temperatures ... a must!

more stuff later!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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a most helpful start is 'By Appointment Only - multiple sclerosis' by Jan de Vries.  His use of Leritone (now called Lecitone) instead of standard omega-3 supplementation is found at http://www.ponroy.ch (if you require the English version, click the small Canadian flag).

if vein fragility is a problem .... then there are several very helpful things to strengthen arterial/vein walls: horse chestnut extract; OPC's; vitamin C; quercetin; pycnogenol .... hundreds more

his use of zinc for depressed people with ms is unusual .... but very good.  It may be best to use the zinc with copper (zinc:copper is 10:1) + a small amt of taurine especially if she does not eat meat.

finally (because of her age) .... a regime of L-carnitine/acetyl-L-carnitine http://www.geronova.com/carnitine-plus.htm + CoQ10 http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00950.html + StemEnhance http://www.organics4u.stemtechhealth.com/ should help.  

good luck

John


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Hi Arit,

Perhaps your Mom may benefit from higher doses of vitamin B3 (niacin).  It was used by Sanchez back in the 1950's and was the first treatment for ms.  It dilates capillaries that's why many people get a niacin flush.

She might also benefit from a good hair-analysis, to see if there is a heavy metal toxicity issue.  Also see if there is a possibility of pesticide residue,

She might benefit from a newer product: liposomal glutathione.  If she adds @200mcg of selenium she will give her liver some clout to overcome toxicity.

Aside from this, some lecithin may assist .... I am very dubious of the use of omega-3's because there is no environmental trigger towards very cold temperatures ... a must!

more stuff later!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hi resting, thanks so much for your info. I never thought of vitamin B3 only B6 and B12 which she's been taking for sometime now without any obvious result.  Perhaps B3 will do  the trick.  I've also been told her liver and kidney need attention and they're going to get it.  She's really perky now that solutions are coming up as she's determined to attend my son's (her first grandchild) wedding in June .  Thanks a lot for the links which I'll check out in a minute.
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dearest LUHU
how did the *neurorecovery* aminoacids worked for you from Solgar
That was one of my very first recommends in your concernes


Dearest Isa,

My sincere apologies for the delay in my reply. My answer is too long and my mind rebels against solutions that involve sequential, ordered thinking requiring more than the two-step process of getting from A to B. A to D or above is problematic for me, unlike for John, (a.k.a. resting) in whose stellar ability in this arena I am constantly in awe!  (Beautifully demonstrated, I might ad, in the proposal/prototype he wrote/designed for the cellular exercise device for the disabled). I have been thinking of you guys and wanting to reply to the questions all the while and feeling so guilty that I had not summoned the fortitude to do so up to this point. I will try to get my answer typed and posted before the ramblings of my mind ultimately overwhelm and paralyze me into more delay.

Isa, what happened with the amino acids trial has created a very big question for me that I have not 'solved' yet and likely never will. ONE reason for this is that the very nature of MS is its variability, unpredictability and sporadic progression. Add to that the severe and irreversible damage that you cannot undo once it is done and you can understand why I am uncomfortable (and therefore UNWILLING) to stop (intentionally as opposed to by necessity b/c there is no $$ for them) protocols and supplements that I feel give benefit in order to test which ones are actually efficacious. What a rotten Catch-22. Anyway . . .

I did begin taking the free form amino acids. I did not notice significant changes but I recognize that part of their function was to help heal the intestinal lining that could be part of the leaky gut connection with autoimmune issues. That would not be something that I would necessarily feel happening. I continued until I was out of the AAs which was about 3 months. Around the same time (and as a complete shock to me) I received 2 bottles of Deflect B from a generous benefactor. Wow! Happy, happy, happy! Of course I began taking the Deflect immediately and continuously until they were all gone. I had been taking Wild Alaskan Salmon Oil for a long time but was working to gradually ramp up my dose to get to my goal of 10g/day. I reached this level during this period as well along with 30,000 IU of Vitamin D3 per day. I also added Black Currant Seed Oil to balance this EFA blend.  And, if the water isn't cloudy enough, yet, in addition to all the previously mentioned supps, I had also begun drinking an immune-building/modulating whey protein drink every day.

Separately, ALL of these supplements have some capacity to decrease inflammation. I always take my chlorella, so while that was also in the 'mix', it is pretty much a constant in my daily routine so we can probably remove it from the  'which- supplement-brought-my-sed-rate-down?'  equation. When the $$ don't stretch far enough, this is the one supp that I try my best to always have. I can go from tired but somewhat able to function to completely w/o the will and energy to just  get up if I am out of chlorella for more than a week!

Here is the v-e-r-y interesting thing that happened during the months I had all these supplements available to me: My usually elevated ESR (i.e., sed rate: very general indicator of how much inflammation is occurring in your body) went from a 25 which is rather good for me to a 4! Woohoo and Yippeeee!!!

To complicate things even more, I had recently begun the hideous pharmaceutical intervention (Copaxone injections) out of terror at what my latest MRI showed. I called their hotline and asked if their drug was known to reduce one's sed rate and was told, "No, that is not a result we would expect as a result of injecting Copaxone." So, we can take THAT variable out of the equation. (So now we only have twenty variables left to eliminate.)

The mystery continues in that after running out of almost all the supplements I listed above (except my staple chlorella and Vitamin D3) my sed rate reading 3 months afterwards, was again, back up to 25. Big, hair pulling out, screaming, WILD woman here, now, because I have no way to reasonably tell which (if only one) supplement was responsible or if all of them produced a synergy that was responsible for my short-lived, but wildly improved lab reult. Problem is, of course, I can't buy all the supps to use together at one time. The cost is prohibitive. So . . .

I suppose the 'experiment' could be re-created now that I am out of most of the supplements I had during that wonderful 3 month period, whenever I get the opp'y to buy them again, one at a time. So, dear Isa, to answer your question, I just don't know how to evaluate with any measure of accuracy how helpful the amino acids were. I can say that during that period I felt especially well, lost a bit of fat, and was able to do more exercise than is usual for me. As a scientific experiment, however, it was a bust!  

Arit, I am very, very happy to see that you WILL be able to let us know how the Kalawalla performs in your mom's case since you have a much 'purer' setup for drawing conclusions about a specific supplement. Do you know how they have classified your mom's MS---as relapsing-remitting, primary-progressive or something in-between?  I wish I could be more helpful by narrowing down what may be most helpful, but as you can see clearly, I have NO idea! I can absolutely relate to what your mom experiences with the tingling, and numbness. That has been  with me almost constantly for the past 3 years, sometimes more pronounced than at others but I have positively noticed that when I strictly avoid my 'worst' avoids (including chicken, peanuts, corn and sesame for me, which btw, Schluggel, were constantly in my diet, as well, before I learned about the BTD. In fact, as a child I was the most picky eater and practically lived off of corn and peanut butter!) When I eliminate these foods, I am considerably less symptomatic esp w/the vertigo, tingly-ness and the proprioception issues.

I cannot express to you and ctc how much I am hoping you will find ways to aid your parents to minimize the impact of this disease.  Again, my very, very best wishes to you both.  


"Some people look out and see a land of giants while others look out and see a land flowing with milk and honey."
(As BTDers, please substitute your most desirable, delightful bennie for the figurative 'milk and honey'!)
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Over in the 'hearing loss' thread, it is hypothesised, if you will, that nerve can be regenerated. If this is so, maybe the damage from MS can be undone. We'll hope so anyway. Check that thread out ok gals.



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do I understand you right, that im principe that you've had best resultd when getting your needed supps but you can't afford em ......

ok..ok...I am looking forward to integrate this into our project too but please be a bit patiente
thanx for your fine -opener


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do I understand you right, that im principe that you've had best resultd when getting your needed supps but you can't afford em ......


yep, that's what she's saying............     Hi Isa!!!
wish we could all these nasty health problems we all have.     trying to figure out what to do or what to take is sometimes like
well off to have a before I have to get up and really face the day.  




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Italy, thweety   ....perhaps can you help me to create something valide...have to talk to U in private


but then none of those lazy animals have to be seen in future ....
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Found out I have Relapsing-Remitting Multiple Sclerosis (RRMS) back in May, 2011. Went to the hospital and was diagnosised with "a-typical stroke"... even released from the q-u-a-c-k house as this (ordered to take 81mg aspirin daily... morons!). Luckily, a neurologist brought in on the bizarre case (perfect cholesterol, no plaque build-up, etc ~ poster child for someone who should never have a stroke!) ran 2 MRI's (one on head, other on spine) and did a spinal tap which confirmed MS days after my release. I'm a secretor, got rid of the mercury in my mouth years ago (all gold now), been taking food-based organic herb gluten-yeast free multi-vitamin & mineral suppliments with antioxidant blends, and had been on the BTD for about a year (got rid of some pounds and returned back to my normal high school days weight, felt good, etc.) when this 'event' happened. Just glad it wasn't a stroke! Apparently, the nerve damage from my radical lung surgery in 2007 that I rationalized was due to all the lung resections and stripping my pleural lining was actually my first MS 'flair-up' (numbness on left side down arm to wrist still, including inability to use left hand [yes, I'm left-handed] for few weeks after surgery, inability to sweat on the upper left quadrant of my body still, and general unexplained fatigue (thought it was just old age...) was really symptoms of my first MS 'flair-up'. The one this year has taken out my left hand again for months now, and includes numbness on the left side of my tongue/lips/chin so slurring is a bit of a problem (not to mention biting my toungue a lot). I can now at least hold a pen and print (cursive, including my signature, is out) about a sentence with great difficulty only early in the morning after a lot of sleep, typing one handed is a pain, and the slurring has gotten better but is worse if I try to talk fast. I'm on Avonex - weekly intermuscular injection I give myself - an Interferon beta drug, that is supposed to help keep the attacks mild and seldom. Luckily I qualified for a 2-year free supply of the expensive stuff from Biogen Idec since I'm unemployed and have little resources. Supposed to be the latest and greatest for RRMS out there...

However, there's also the Vanderbilt Protocol (long-term antibiotic w/vitamin boosting approach to fight MS caused by the Chlamydia Pneumoniae bacterium, killing the bacteria in all three of its phases... while trying to also protect one's liver!) and since my MS may have been initially 'triggered' by my lung issues/surgery (couldn't write after discharge from hospital, numbness on left side, no sweating in upper left quadrant of my body, etc.), this may indeed even be the cause of my MS. However, as I currently have no insurance and no income, my options for now are severely restricted to this program from Biogen Idec, makers of Avonex (yeah, me sticking myself with a needle... never thought I could do it!). I have however started working cooking parttime at the local Waffle House which does now offer insurance - down side is the first year it only covers medical expenses up to $2000 annually (not gonna help me much), then you are eligible for their 'comprehensive' plan which is more like a normal group health care - perhaps by then I can actually look into doing the microimmunofluorescence (MIF) diagnostic test to test for Chlamydia Pneumoniae (Cpn), see if indeed the bacteria exists in my system, and work on finding a neurologist/physician who will do the Combination Antibiotic Protocol's (CAP) for treating Chlamydia Pneumoniae... Apparently, if I do test positive for the bacteria, the 1-3 year CAP treatment is very dangerous requiring intense monitoring, supplements, and expenses, and may not be covered by all insurance policies since it's a bit experimental. Fortunately I have the first phase of MS, Relapsing-Remitting and at such a late stage in life, so there's a lot of hope for the disease never getting me to the point of it's more progressive and aggressive form before I'm old as hell anyway...  

I'm also considering filing for Social Security Disability Insurance as I would qualify as my writing and speech has not come back 100% keeping me from working in my normal field (registered professional engineer: code consultant - Fire Marshal - systems designer), plus I could still work parttime as long as I did not make more than $1000 a month  

PS - The info on the Vanderbilt Protocol is perhaps the most advanced on the actual cause and cure of MS (main reason for this post) - so new it is not accepted by most AMA  brainwashed neurologists, but for those MS victims with the willingness to undergo radical treatment that costs lots and is very dangerous.... see: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=1002


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your BT is B?

forget my asking......I remember you now
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perhaps some day in the future I'll have a question where my blood type is pertinent and this great mystery will be solved for ya


will the great day be today??? or not pertinent enough to solve your great mystery?
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think I'm white too)


we keep all records, and I personally am glad you shared this part of your compelling story with us.....so holler if there is something we might be able to help you with



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hello Major, would you mind to let us know your blood type


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hello Major, would you mind letting us know your blood type?


Is one's blood type relivant to someone's multiple sclerosis? I can't find anywhere that indicates it is.

I could be mistaken and if so, please advise how and if indeed relivant then perhaps such pertinent information should be forthcoming...  


We find consulations, we learn tricks with which we deceive ourselves, but the essential thing - the way - we do not find. Listen to the river :-|

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Is one's blood type relivant to someone's multiple sclerosis? I can't find anywhere that indicates it is.
Probably, but if you don't think it is relevant, then why are you here? Don't get me wrong, it's not that I'd like you to leave, it's just that I don't understand why you are posting on a message board that is dedicated to healing based on what a person's blood type is when you don't think it matters.


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P.S. I thought this site was rather interesting MS especially the possible environmental links.


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Is one's blood type relivant to someone's multiple sclerosis? I can't find anywhere that indicates it is.


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Probably, but if you don't think it is relevant, then why are you here? Don't get me wrong, it's not that I'd like you to leave, it's just that I don't understand why you are posting on a message board that is dedicated to healing based on what a person's blood type is when you don't think it matters.


It was a trick question


NO, your blood type has NOTHING to do with developing MS.

My posting here on this 'forum' of blood type obsessives is to provide info to those with MS searching for answers to help them with understanding their disease (see big info post above and follow the trail). They need to know that just eating right for their blood type is not the answer in itself.

MS is caused by the CPn virus, and it's persistence is due to the virus' third phase, cryptic, that keeps it from being destroyed by whatever blood type antibodies you may, or may not, have. Eating right for your blood type is still important in a sense so those with MS can keep their immune systems at peak efficiency to help endure the task of fighting this virus and curing themselves (or at least slow it down such as by using interferons and antibiotics if the more radical treatment can't be tolerated/afforded).


We find consulations, we learn tricks with which we deceive ourselves, but the essential thing - the way - we do not find. Listen to the river :-|

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I'm also considering filing for Social Security Disability Insurance as I would qualify as my writing and speech has not come back 100% keeping me from working in my normal field (registered professional engineer: code consultant - Fire Marshal - systems designer), plus I could still work parttime as long as I did not make more than $1000 a month


Update:


Went into hospital 12/7-26/2011 (yep, thru xmas...) and had right lung 'fixed' this time (VATS with pleurodesis), and the hospital stress (antagonistic nurse from hell and a $#!+ room) triggered another (third) MS relapse. Numbness on right quadrant of body was added this time, AND lost dexterity in right hand this time (yep, pretty much lost use of both hands, now...). There was lots of MS pain associated with the new numb areas, and normally steroids can be used to mitigate this, however due to side effects of steriods interfering with healing from surgery, it was determined that I just endure the pain - lasting about 4-6 weeks ~ oh, and pain pills have NO effect on pain that actually is derrived from the central nervous system - fun, eh?

GOOD NEWS: I finally qualified for SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance) and in two years, I'll qualify for medicare, so I can look seriously at the Vanderbilt Protocol CAP cure at that time (or at least adding antibiotics to my interferon treatment). Meanwhile, I had to quit working at the Waffle House (turns out short order cooks are 3x more likely to develop lung bullous, the reason for my lung surgery, AND the heat was also exaserbating my MS... that was probably the WORST job I could've had with my two health issues...) since I can't use my hands except to drop things alot, heh, heh.

This disability income is also VERY good in that I'll finally have enough money to get back on my vegetarian version of my BTD (had to rely on my parent's 'charity' for food which was no where near qualifying for my blood type and 38 year vegetarian commitment, especially since their diet is mostly meat oriented which left me with the 'other' stuff - plus having to live in their house temporarily was stressful in that they're VERY antagonistic, essentially constantly exaserbating my MS with the unecessary stress).



We find consulations, we learn tricks with which we deceive ourselves, but the essential thing - the way - we do not find. Listen to the river :-|

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So, what might be your obsession I wonder.



My obsession is surviving multiple sclerosis, period.

...is this a major enough "type"? After all, is IS slowly killing me!


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I think you are more like your parents than you would like to admit...


...and some just antagonize for the sake of it


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Major, have a Google of the inclined bed therapy if you get a chance regarding it's positive effects on severe cases of MS.

It is my experience that MS react well to a blood type diet by the way.

Are you blood type B?


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to use antibiotics for B's or AB's nonnies can be more harmful then anything else... especially for explorers..... one of our members a B male cured himself from a beginning leucemia with lr4yt.... he's a nomade but with very toughy explorer traits....
btw.... when antibiotics can kill dolphins (as they did  in the last weeks here in Switzerland) what do you think are they able to do with and for us .....
Perhaps biig time to wake up ....


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Quoted from Amazone I.
to use antibiotics ... can be more harmful then anything else...


Unless we're talking about our brain slowly detaching itself from our body [i.e. multiple sclerosis, scarring and deterioration of the central nervous system (CNS), essentially disconnecting...]

No, with CPn all bets are off for this little b-u-g-g-e-r, which actually crosses over the blood-brain barrier to cause a multitude of persistent CNS diseases like MS, etc.:

Chlamydia Pneumoniae (Cpn) is a tiny bacterium which is most often noted for causing a form of pneumonia. Up until the 1970's it was not even isolated and was mistaken for a virus. The only way to cure it is to take a combination of antibioticsi (Combination Antibiotic Protocols), to kill it in all of its life phases (three: EB, RB, and aberrant/cryptic) so nothing is left behind to re-infect. This can take a long time depending on the load of Cpn in your system, the organs infected and other variables. Typical courses of 1-3 years are not unusual.

EB’s- Elementary Body What are they? EB’s are spore-like forms which are infectious and metabolize minimally (aren’t using nutrients, replicating, exchanging with the environment, etc.).
RB's- Reticulate Body What are they? Once an EB enters a host cell it transforms into a form which can replicate new EB's which is called a Reticulate Body or RB.
Cryptic form- What are they? When RB’s face an environment which threatens their survival inside a cell (lack of food, antibiotic attack, etc) they can transform into a “Cryptic” form which stays inside the cell, but is in hibernation, so to speak. What do they do? In this form it is not vulnerable to regular antibiotics and can reside there until conditions change, then become an RB again and start to replicate and reinfect with EB’s.

see: http://www.cpnhelp.org/simple for more info.


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Major, have a Google of the inclined bed therapy if you get a chance regarding it's positive effects on severe cases of MS.

It is my experience that MS react well to a blood type diet by the way.

Are you blood type B?


I'll keep the bed info in mind if I ever get to the more advnced stages of MS and become more bed-bound...  

...and roger on the BTD's assist with keeping the immune system robust to help with the antibiotics, interferons, etc. that help battle the disease's cause: CPn.



We find consulations, we learn tricks with which we deceive ourselves, but the essential thing - the way - we do not find. Listen to the river :-|
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Bs are prone to MS

read the story
something' s got to give!
Beating MS with the BTD: The story of Debbie Cardone
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/.....story-of-deb?blog=37

B's have more MS they also have a problem with nitrous oxide, they use it up really quickly NO effects the size of your blood vessels. Going to higher altitudes makes them fell better,  the altitude  more then likely effects the size of your blood vessels some how.
Dr. D already found this connection
http://www.google.com/search?h.....+vessels&spell=1
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http://www.newsmax.com/health/multiple_sclerosis/2008/08/26/125005.html


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