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trish44
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I just talked to my daughter about her daughter's physical this week.  Evidently, the time was spent talking about her being depressed, as she looked so sad going in to the office, and then started crying when being asked questions.  They did talk about her diet, and it is not good.  She does not try new things, and eats only a few things.  There are just the two of them, type A's.  They are going to work on her trying new foods, her goal is to take three bites of a new food every week.  Which may be difficult, I know.  My question is, for a child of that age, knowing that the diet is not right, is there a supplement that might be lacking causing her to be depressed?  I certainly do not want to see her taking a lot of things.  She takes a multi vitamin, chewable, and the dr. wants her to take one with extra calcium.  Should we just focus on trying to, over time, get her to eat what is beneficial?  My thinking is that if she is depressed, it is due to eating incorrectly.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


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I just talked to my daughter about her daughter's physical this week.  Evidently, the time was spent talking about her being depressed, as she looked so sad going in to the office, and then started crying when being asked questions.  They did talk about her diet, and it is not good.  She does not try new things, and eats only a few things.  There are just the two of them, type A's.  They are going to work on her trying new foods, her goal is to take three bites of a new food every week.  Which may be difficult, I know.  My question is, for a child of that age, knowing that the diet is not right, is there a supplement that might be lacking causing her to be depressed?  I certainly do not want to see her taking a lot of things.  She takes a multi vitamin, chewable, and the dr. wants her to take one with extra calcium.  Should we just focus on trying to, over time, get her to eat what is beneficial?  My thinking is that if she is depressed, it is due to eating incorrectly.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


How about some stress reduction Type A exercises?



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That makes me really sad to think of a 9 year old called 'depressed'.
I would wonder if there are problems at school or at home maybe??


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Like yoga?  She could use more exercise, for sure.  I gave my daughter some pilates tapes recently.  She cannot seem to do them, as the little one gets in the way.  Maybe if they did them together.....I will suggest that.  My daughter just got a tread mill, as she needs exercise to lose weight.  But I don't think that will do a lot for reducing stress for A's.


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Like yoga?  She could use more exercise, for sure.  I gave my daughter some pilates tapes recently.  She cannot seem to do them, as the little one gets in the way.  Maybe if they did them together.....I will suggest that.  My daughter just got a tread mill, as she needs exercise to lose weight.  But I don't think that will do a lot for reducing stress for A's.


Why not spend some time with your granddaughter teaching her to meditate?  Or the alternative nostril breathing?  Or buy them some beginner yoga tapes.



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Hi Trish,

I very much agree with the 'physicality' aspect of her depression especially at this age.  She may be over-influenced by self-body-image.  An away-from-school exercise routine is likely best.  It might even prove worthwhile to involve her in non-competitive training like yoga or tai chi.  Dance work ... ballerina-style or modern jazz may help.  Besides the A-exercises, she should enjoy using a rebounder too!

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She does have some minor issues at school, but the only thing at home is how much stress she creates by not eating, or not cooperating, etc.  In today's world, she doesn't go outside to play like our children did, and spends most of her time on the computer and watching tv.  She has always gotten too much attention, I feel, being the only child of a single mother.  They are attached at the hip, so to speak.  Her mother is a fantastic teacher, in fact won a certificate for being the most promising new teacher in a large school district last year.  She is great with K, but I have always thought, too much focus and togetherness.  We have her this weekend to give her mother a break.  I am off to the store to get something new to try.  I understand she likes pumpkin cake, so maybe we will make one of those.....she is a sweet girl, very bright, just won't eat much.  Certainly not soy, fish, or eggs!


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I believe that wheat contributes to depressive behavior,as does dairy.  She may be a nonnie, so she should be tested for that.  Also, supplementing with good Omega 3 fatty acids can help with depression, like eating sardines, taking fish oil or having flaxseeds.  It may very well be that she is not absorbing minerals correctly, and that is affecting her mind.  Also, how much sleep she gets is extremely important as well.  She, I think, should be getting about 10 hours a night at this age.  (Someone correct me if I am wrong!)  

I look back at my growing years and believe that the wheat and dairy was affecting me very heavily in a depressive way...

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you can reach infants much better with drinks to get better in healthconcerns; instead of eating or taking pills; I would go for a mixup between aminoacids and fruitjuices; here you can add a tablet of calcium without any sideeffect nor taste .......
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John, she does take modern jazz and tap this year.  Really likes it.  We thought it would give her some self confidence, which she seems to be lacking.  Good idea about the yoga tapes and meditating.  I will definitely suggest that.  They saw the counselor at school together, and she suggested things to K that we thought were real good.  About the trying new foods, and that she should practice being more eager and smile more, and it will become a habit, as it changes chemicals in your brain, and so on.  She pointed out that it was also her responsibility to make things go smoothly at home, be cooperative, etc.  And I noticed that when she first arrived today, she wanted to go out with her grandpa and drive the golf cart.  They have been outside for over an hour now.  So I do think she was listening.  I think she thinks the world revolves around her, so it is good for someone else to tell her that it doesn't.  Now for the food!


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I like the Omega 3 idea.  Since she won't eat fish, maybe there is a way to get the flax seed into her, in a shake.  I do'nt think I could get her mum to give her amino acids, however.  And she just might be a nonnie.  She had asthma when younger, too.  Occasionally, has a problem still now.  But seems to be over it.  Thanks all for your suggestions.  I have a fresh pineapple, we are going to see how that goes over, too.  She can have wheat, tho right?  Think I will get some manna bread, too.....off I go.  Thanks much.  Will keep you posted on her progress.  We have to fix this!!


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What foods does she like?  Let's build from there!
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I too suffered from depression as a child and found that eliminating wheat and sugar dramatically changed my mental health!  Even if I wasn't depressed, I could always feel that "pull" downwards and I worked so hard to resist!  Now I see the world entirely differently.  

Also, depression (and many of today's common ailments) is really a "disease of luxury".  When we have so much time and energy to focus on ourselves, it is hard to appreciate life as much and not to see faults.  When we are appropriately balanced between looking outwards and inwards, it is easier to have a healthy perspective.  Perhaps she could benefit not just from activities about her, but activities to help others, such as volunteering, tutoring, babysitting, a pet, making crafts or gifts for other children, anything!  

When I was young most volunteering did not appeal to me at all, until I found something that I cared about, which was animals.  I was able to volunteer at the local Humane Society socializing cats, which consisted of going to pet, cuddle, and play with them once per week.  They have a similar program for walking the dogs.  I think most 9 year old girls would really enjoy that!  She may be too young to do it on her own, but maybe she could tag along with an adult (her mother, you, her grandfather).  Or find another helping activity that touches her heart.


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She likes bagels, pizza, steak, chicken, homemade bread, ice cream, nachos, cheese.  Sometimes chicken soup if it doesn't have much in it, occasionally will eat a salad, likes some raw veggies dipped in ranch dressing.  Will not eat eggs, cereal, most vegetables, and potatoes.  


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Thanks Whimsical,  I too, think if we can get her off so much bread and cheese, and more toward salads and veggies, with maybe some fish, she will feel so much happier.  She does enjoy crafts and does community service work at school for extra credit.  The humane society work sounds like a good idea, she loves animals.  We may have to do it when she comes here, the fact that her mother as a teacher has to spend a good part of her weekend working on planning, is one of the problems they have.


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If she can ween herself off from the big 'A' food avoids' this would be a significant start in how she may start to feel: wheat, red meat, dairy, kidney beans, corn, potatoes.

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How about yogurt instead of ice cream?  Or a smoothie instead of ice cream - here's a great creamy smoothie: avocado, frozen blueberry or cherry, white grape juice, frozen wheat grass juice, more sweetener if needed (maple syrup, honey, etc).  

Homemade pizza made with drizzled olive oil, oregano, mozzarella, fresh spinach leaves and seasoned chicken?  

Instead of potato, how about pumpkin?  Pumpkin custard with eggs or silken tofu (blended in blender by itself to make it a liquid) and sweetener like molasses (not blackstrap) is delicious!  Add a small amount of typical pumpkin pie spice to it and bake without a crust until it is thicker/sweeter.  Great cold or hot.

Does she like peanut butter?  

Can someone take her to a sushi bar to try avocado sushi (it has NO fish in it raw or otherwise)?  It is yummy and a good way to get that seaweed into her diet with just a little bit of avoids (vinegar and sugar) to season the rice.  

I'd add yummy, gorgeous foods to her diet rather than try to restrict her diet.  Being very hands off and relaxed will be more successful!

The color red is very attractive in stimulating the appetite.  Plates with a splash of red will really enhance its desirability.  So buying new dinner plates may be in order!  Stay away from BLUE - it depresses the appetite.

Does she like muffins?  If so, what kind?  
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Most likely she likes purple- I believe I have seen place settings with red yellow and teal circles on them.  or Why not just let her pick out her own place setting with certain color, like red in it?  Or put whatever she picks on a red placemat.  Is she normal size for a nine year old, or is she skin and bones?  Or over weight?

Is there a roller skating and ice skating rink available?
What about brownies? ( the girl scout kind)
Does she have a friend she hangs out with? or talks to on the phone? writes notes to? Friends are so important!  Does she have a bike she rides?

how much is she allowed on the computer? Is it being monitored?

Also I remembering nine years of age being an age for whining or crying for my daughters too.  They started there periods a year later.  Maybe hormones are playing in this,also.
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She has lots of friends, but they mainly talk at school.  Sometimes they have play dates, but time for that is somewhat prohibitive.  There are lots of children from affluent families at her school.  I wonder if this isn't an issue for her.  She is monitored on the computer, loves the games, and Sims.  She does not like muffins, I have tried those many times, as I make them for our bb guests.  Will sometimes eat a peanut butter sandwich, but just started that recently.  The pizza recipe would work, I think, but not the spinach and maybe not the chicken on it.  She does not like to 'mix' things.  Eats chicken or meat, all by itself.  Love the idea of the red placemat and colorful place setting.  And the smoothie sounds great.  In fact, I made my blueberry shake yesterday for lunch, couldn't get her to taste it.  Does the avacado one taste good?  I am sure it is green, right?
Oh, and she does roller skate sometimes, but the bike riding they have to do together, for safety reasons, and one or the other of the bikes seems to need work.  Have to go


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No it is a purple color.
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good, migh do....k  boad, mssd up ugh


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Could you read my last post?  It said that my board was messed up....I spilled something.  I have given my daughter all the information, so now it is up to her.  I can tell you that the talk the counselor had with her last week did make a difference in her behavior.  She came in with smiles, and immediately wanted to go out with her grandpa and fish and do outdoor things.   She spent little time in front of the tv and computer, and was much more cooperative than usual.  I think with only one parent, kids have a more difficult time figuring out how to behave.  I know my daughter will be working on the food issues, too.  So things are looking up.


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