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chile_chicken
Thursday, January 25, 2007, 2:30am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I work in Cardiology and have to say, Lipitor does not by itself have a very high success rate in lowering cholesterol. Lipid lowering therapy does not go well with patients taking Aspirin, are you taking that? I am not sure about Vytorin as it is not used here in NZ, but I applaud you on Omega 3. I take 3 capsules a day, and the benefits are huge. I do not know if your doctor has heard of Atorvastatin (used in conjuction with Lipitor or frequently another name for Liptor) or Simvastatin, but we here in Cardiology prefer to use these as they are proven to be more effective with less side effects, especially in Aspirin intolerant patients. I hope this helps!
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robo624-welcome to the forum...so glad to hear that your doctor is okay with you doing the diet and you wanting to get off of the pharmaceuticals.   That is a relief to know that you have support from her and that she is not going to try to persuade you not to do it.  Good luck and yes...do keep us posted.

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Thank you for that information, Chile!  



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Hi ac,

have the feeling that most of my ideas are ignored, because they are too 'technical'???????

Cholesterol does 4 main jobs in our bodies:
#1 - it quiets the 'excitability' of the essential fatty acids (EFA). Cholesterol is extremely high in brain/nerve tissues. Here: if you picture a maze .... EFA's are the black lines that form the little 'squares'; cholesterol would be the 'white' background.

#2 - cholesterol is throughout the body as part of every single cell-membrane. In blood (where readings come from) cholesterol does extra duty to plug lesions/cuts in artery walls ... think of internal scabbing ... Vitamin C promotes the formation of collagen to permanently heal these scab-wounds. However, if vitamin C remains low, collagen will not be formed and you will have more and more cholesterol to plug more and more cuts. Linus Pauling/Mathias Rath developed a protocol to heal artery walls ... vitamin C + L-lysine. http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/

#3 - cholesterol forms the base-chemical for ALL the endocrine hormones (@40) + vitamin D3. If some hormones are deficient (aging), a feed back signal to produce more cholesterol goes to the liver. Working on this idea, a team of researchers fed an individualized range of hormones to elderly men so that their hormone level was that of a 30 year-old. The return to normal cholesterol was 100%. http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-.....ing%20cholesterol%20

#4 - cholesterol also forms a complex with the amino acid taurine: taurocholate. This agent is the bile salt that emulsifies/digests all the fats that seem difficult-to-handle .... like vitamin K. It also forms the other major class of bile salts called glycocholates.

John


No, your posts are always informative and an eye opener. I was just wondering what Gulf Coast Guy does for exercise as my husband is recovering from stopping smoking & drinking and keeping late hours for almost 30 years. His body is readjusting and rediscovering bits & pieces it thought didnt exist anymore .



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Accidental Chef, As far as this weeks exercise:Monday-90 minutes of rather strenous yoga and walked the dog for 30 minutes, tuesday-had major dental work so just walked the dog for 30 minutes, wednesday-40 minutes on an elliptical machine at a fairly high speed and walked the dog 30 minutes, thursday will do 90 minutes of less strenous yoga and of course walk the dog, friday will walk the dog and may or may not use the elliptical machine, saturday- walk the dog and will do 90 minutes of medium intensity yoga if I don't have to work, sunday will walk the dog and do 40 minutes on the elliptical machine if I didn't do it friday. The 30 minute or 1.5 mile walk is every day and occasionally up to 2 days a week is my only exercise that day. If your husband is a B, I highly recommend the yoga it can be very gentle and restorative or intense and replace weight lifting. It stimulates the immune system, increases mobility, relieves stress, and helps control blood pressure. I also do my own lawn care and gardening but that is to variable to count.
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GCGuy is a stellar example of a great B exercise program!  



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Accidental Chef, As far as this weeks exercise:Monday-90 minutes of rather strenous yoga and walked the dog for 30 minutes, tuesday-had major dental work so just walked the dog for 30 minutes, wednesday-40 minutes on an elliptical machine at a fairly high speed and walked the dog 30 minutes, thursday will do 90 minutes of less strenous yoga and of course walk the dog, friday will walk the dog and may or may not use the elliptical machine, saturday- walk the dog and will do 90 minutes of medium intensity yoga if I don't have to work, sunday will walk the dog and do 40 minutes on the elliptical machine if I didn't do it friday. The 30 minute or 1.5 mile walk is every day and occasionally up to 2 days a week is my only exercise that day. If your husband is a B, I highly recommend the yoga it can be very gentle and restorative or intense and replace weight lifting. It stimulates the immune system, increases mobility, relieves stress, and helps control blood pressure. I also do my own lawn care and gardening but that is to variable to count.


Excellent, thanks so much GCG, my husband is indeed a B. For all that he's undergoing now, his level of motivation is very low. I was thinking about yoga, or Qigong..and will mention it to him. The predominat activity I notice from your post is walking and that should be a start for now.

You B's, only you can convince yourselves , so I've to be really careful to not running him down with my enthusiasm

Thanks again, aye?


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Could someone be kind enough to let me know from the Cardio Vascular book which type of cheese is OK for B's (secretor status unknown) suffering from high triglycerides & blood sugar?



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If I remember correctly your husband is of Indian descent? If so yoga could be considered of his culture and maybe it could be considered or enlightening. You could even get the in-laws involved. I think it would be the most beneficial considering what you described of his physical problems. If he is still kicking smoking he definitely has stress. If I weren't walking the dog I would consider walking boring especially if it is just around a track. I don't have the cardiovascular book on me but I prefer goat cheese. Feta has a lot of salt in it. Yogurt would be better though, yogurt and pineapple for breakfast maybe since he avoids meat.

I just checked typebase (see icon on top of the page) and goat cheese and whole milk mozzarela are superbeneficial for diabetes. Walnuts are also beneficial for diabetes. Sure he won't eat fish?

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Could someone be kind enough to let me know from the Cardio Vascular book which type of cheese is OK for B's (secretor status unknown) suffering from high triglycerides & blood sugar?


no cheese is superbeneficial only yoghurt and kefir.
beneficial cheese:
cottage, farmer, feta, goat cheese and mozzerella.

neutral- infrequent allowed.
cheddar, colby, jarlberg, monery jack.

while camenbert, cream cheese, edam and emmenthal is just normal neutral.
if secretor 3-6 serving pr week of 3 oz




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You B's, only you can convince yourselves , so I've to be really careful to not running him down with my enthusiasm


You're so right about that!  



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Surprisingly, she was very supportive of my efforts and did not recommend that I continue on with the Vytorin...would have been hard after I told her about the sudden memory loss and raging heartburn as a side effect!

Anyway, she also suggested that I utilize Omega-3 Fatty acids (up to 2g daily), continue on the membrane fluidizer cocktail every morning. Take policosanols 20mg daily, eat yeast rice and garlic.

1.  omg, stick with that doctor, she sounds really excellent.

2.  WELCOME to the forum!



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Hi John,
what is your opinion for As  and lipidic asset; it is enough if I keep in the right range and with a good ratio HDL-LDL with my 80 % compliance to BTD.
I am interested to be the fitter I can when I'llget old and arterioschlerosis, memory loss and cognitive damage run helas in my family after 70 years old.
Wishing all the best for you and looking foreward to your opinion !
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Hi Maria,

Until a few days ago, I had always thought that physical capacities diminished with age.  Some took measures to slow the decline.

Then I read about StemEnhance http://www.stemenhance.com and the Microstimula working together.  I had an 'Ahah' moment.     And thought: 'What if stem cells are not a fix-it mechanism but the normal way humans learn?  Children are noted for their 'plasticity', is such a phenomenon open to people who have abundant stem cells?  If a person learns to run and bounce a ball while running he/she will need coordination of many muscle groups + the brain + the nervous system .... all these new connections MAY BE done via stem cells ... becoming a different kind of cell in different tissue, but oriented toward a given task.

Don't know how valid this is.  Teens have very little cancer, little heart disease ... are the presence of stem cells helping here?  To learn/grow we need not only the stem cells but also the 'direction' for these to change into new kinds of cells.

a note of caution: I have no idea is such a theory is valid ... It may be interesting, but is it right?
John


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no cheese is superbeneficial only yoghurt and kefir.
beneficial cheese:
cottage, farmer, feta, goat cheese and mozzerella.

neutral- infrequent allowed.
cheddar, colby, jarlberg, monery jack.

while camenbert, cream cheese, edam and emmenthal is just normal neutral.
if secretor 3-6 serving pr week of 3 oz


Thanks a lot Henriette!



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If I remember correctly your husband is of Indian descent? If so yoga could be considered of his culture and maybe it could be considered or enlightening. You could even get the in-laws involved. I think it would be the most beneficial considering what you described of his physical problems. If he is still kicking smoking he definitely has stress. If I weren't walking the dog I would consider walking boring especially if it is just around a track. I don't have the cardiovascular book on me but I prefer goat cheese. Feta has a lot of salt in it. Yogurt would be better though, yogurt and pineapple for breakfast maybe since he avoids meat.

I just checked typebase (see icon on top of the page) and goat cheese and whole milk mozzarela are superbeneficial for diabetes. Walnuts are also beneficial for diabetes. Sure he won't eat fish?


GCG, well he knows many things about yoga and experiments with it from time to time. But making it part of his life on a regular basis, ummm, the way he is now, I dont think it will happen any time soon.

He has quit smoking thro and thro and doesnt have any urge what so ever. I feel that what he's going thro right now is recovery from accumulated *abuse* of his system. Adrenal fatigue, that's another thing I suspect. His lifestyle was such that he slept at 4 in the morn and woke up at 11am. Now that he's on recovery mode, things are a bit more strange...coz he has an early dinner, and goes to sleep an hour later, at about 7ish. And then wakes up at 1am, and cant sleep till 4am!!! I cant keep up with this cyclic misdemeanour on his system, and it worries me that he suffers so much. Nope, fish & meat are not options he wants to adopt at the moment. He eats eggs though. Not to my extent of 6 a day, may be 1 at the most 2.

Sorry robo624, I seem to have hijacked your thread !!!



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No worries accidental chef.

I am continuing forward taking the Red Yeast Rice but it has coQ10 in it. I'm taking the Now Brand-- NOW Red Yeast Rice 600 mg with CoQ10 30 mg. The instructions call for 2 tablets, but I have only been taking 1. I also drink a membrane fluidizer cocktail in the morning with the lecithin granules and flaxseed oil.

I am more focused on the diet than anything but it's always in the back of my mind, wanting to have low cholesterol and triglyceride levels.

One thing that has been difficult is getting enough exercise. My wife and I just had a baby and when I'm done with work I go home to help her out...it's always something isn't it?
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Get a stroller, you might call it a pram, and take tyke for a walk. Set a good example, amuse him/her, and get exercise also.
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