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robo624
Saturday, January 20, 2007, 11:39pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I began taking statins (lipitor) 5 years ago after my physician advised me that my cholesterol was high along with my triglycerides. My dosage has been increased every year due to the fact that my cholesterol and triglycerides are not going down. I was just prescribed a new one (vytorin) and I can't stand it.

So, I bought this book hoping for some help. Well after reading my section, I came to realize that chicken is no good for me, which is what I've been eating a lot of...that and wheat. I was told to eat less beef and go for chicken and pork.

I just started this diet and was wondering if any other B's out there have any cholesterol lowering stories and or advice.

I need to get off these pharmaceuticals!!!  

Thank you.  
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Not a B, but I wanted to say welcome to the forum!  


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Not a B, but I wanted to say welcome to the forum!  


Me, too!  


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Dr D:
Take a look at the Cardiovascular protocols
for type B. I've used pantethine quite
effectively in several type B patients who had
elevated cholesterol but were otherwise in
good shape.


here s the cardiov, protocol
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/10.html

and also the new cardio book from the health lib series:
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED017

you will find more targeted food lists to your condition.

have you thought of doing the secretor test yet?
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm


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Exercise is very important in bringing down triglycerides as well as getting fat off from around the waist area. Next would be getting away from any form of corn but most especially corn syrup. I suspect that if you take the secretor test you will find out that you are a nonsecretor which further limits grains and sweetners. My doctor had me on Lipitor also when my main problem was high triglycerides, my LDL cholesterol was actually abnormally low. After he goofed up and put me on both Lipitor and Gemfibrizol(fibrate) I had the muscle pains that indicated dangerous side effects. All the research I have done since then said that the two drugs should not be taken before. He also had a standard low fat, low red meat diet he recommended for everybody. After I asked him pointblank why he recommended lipitor a statin when my LDL was 14 he recommended me to a lipid specialist. She recommended exercise, a diet remarkably similar to a B nonsecretor diet except for chicken and some of the oils and the Gemfibrizol only. She can tell by my blood tests when I have been keeping up on the cardioexercise.
  To sum it up:exercise, follow the B diet, take the secretor test to see if you are a nonnie, strongly limit grain, try keeping sweetners to vegetable glycerine or agave nectar untill the triglyceride levels go down, limit alcohol to a glass of red wine once in a blue moon and investigate yoga to control stress and cortisol. Good luck.
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visualization techniques are also targeted for Bs....

http://www.dadamo.com/typographer/wiki.pl/Exercise,_stress_and_your_blood_type


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Then a secretor test it is. I will let you know how it turns out, but just reading a little further detail on the subject, I think I'll be a non-secretor.

I also have an appoitnment this Tuesday with my doctor to see how the vytorin is going. We're going to talk about this. I'm interested to see what her opinion is.
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be sure to report the outcome of your visit.


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I also have an appoitnment this Tuesday with my doctor to see how the vytorin is going. We're going to talk about this. I'm interested to see what her opinion is.

It is very doubtful that your doctor will have anything good to say about the BTD. In fact, there is a good chance that she will never have heard of it or at least not know any details about it. Therefore, her opinion will probably not be worth much.


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what I saw in the B's when getting older- the tendencies to get elevated  levels in that aerea is  eating too fat and also too much of carbs; I'd like to ask you to change all wheatproducts into spelt or for B nonnies allowed carbs; and then go for a higher intake of Niacin flushfree up from 500mg's to....3-4 times daily and add a good B-complex; normally whithin days it should reduce the amounts of triglycerides & cholersterol.

Oups, sorry I was impolite, welcome on board

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ISA I think you are right about the grains
- However I´m not sure you are right about fats... except if you as a B eats lots of polysaturated fat...
The full fat yoghurt, eggs -ghee and olive oil wont make things worse

- but STRESS, sugar, weird oils and GRAINS will !

I know I´m young - but my cholesterol was borderline high 2 years ago - when I ate BTD - BUT did not follow serving sizes,and did have some avoids a few times a week. ( And a bit stressed from my dads cancer and death)

Last year I was tested and it was perfect  again) and I eat far more fat than I used to (more eggs, ghee and no  more no-fat-yoghurt- but the full fat version)
- but I don´t use   high polysaturated fat from grapeseed oil as I used to and  eat less grains and sugar


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Hettilein you are right, and it wasn't meant  the stuffg mentioned above.... merely sweet little junkies in foods

oooo how I love this pic from the doggy it is sooo sweet could go for cnuddelings for hours
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BUT in this fat phobia world- it could mean all kinds of fat !

Yes she is sweet- I´ll post a new picture of Sienna - one of the days. Snow is fun - so is rain


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babydogs are smelling soooo fine
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OK, well I had a decent conversation with my doctor in regards to the BTD. She has heard of it but did not offer a strong opinion on it either way. I was adamant that I wanted off the pharmaceuticals and was going to stick to this diet in order to try and make progress.

Surprisingly, she was very supportive of my efforts and did not recommend that I continue on with the Vytorin...would have been hard after I told her about the sudden memory loss and raging heartburn as a side effect!

Anyway, she also suggested that I utilize Omega-3 Fatty acids (up to 2g daily), continue on the membrane fluidizer cocktail every morning. Take policosanols 20mg daily, eat yeast rice and garlic.

Just thought you'd like to know.
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very supportive! good for your Dr.!


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Very impressive, Robo.  You are very fortunate to find a doc who is open minded, at least to some extent.  

I agree about the Omega 3's (are you taking cod liver oil? )  and lecithin, etc.

Why don't you research Guggul a little bit.  Sometimes it is enough without taking Red Rice Yeast.  The RRY is very effective, from what I hear.  It is a natural statin, so is recommended only after trying other things first, OR as immediately weaning off chemical statins, and then gradually weaning off the RRY and onto Guggul.



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'fraid I have to disagree (rarely),

statins (natural or synthetic) block the action of CoQ10.  They are so successful doing this that a dose of 100mg CoQ10 be taken everyday to overcome the statin's effect.  [And by the way, taking statins to lower cholesterol, does NOT increase life span at all.]  There is so much written about the 'myth' of the dangers of high cholesterol try http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p72.htm

omega-3's actually increase levels of cholesterol.  The major role of cholesterol is to dampen the 'overly excitable' EFA's.  So more EFA's = more cholesterol.

There also is an idea that I have: DHA (omega-3) has 6 unsaturated sites.  This makes the molecule into a very large, unstable 0-ring shape.  If this molecule is lengthened (& desaturated) once more, the molecule will become so twisted that a new complex (very stable) will be formed of two adjoining rings of unsaturated bonds .... 3-1-3  [very much like the number '8' on a digital clock].  This IS the chemical structure of squalene (cholesterol's direct precursor).

The use of omega-3's is great .... but using them to lower cholesterol is poor.

John


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Hi there robo!

I would love to hear your progress, as my husband is a B and currently facing a lot of cardio-vascular issues. Hope you keep this thread going with your progress. Good luck for better health!


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Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Exercise is very important in bringing down triglycerides as well as getting fat off from around the waist area.


GCG, what kind of exercises do you do normally?



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Hi ac,

have the feeling that most of my ideas are ignored, because they are too 'technical'???????

Cholesterol does 4 main jobs in our bodies:
#1 - it quiets the 'excitability' of the essential fatty acids (EFA).  Cholesterol is extremely high in brain/nerve tissues.  Here: if you picture a maze .... EFA's are the black lines that form the little 'squares'; cholesterol would be the 'white' background.

#2 - cholesterol is throughout the body as part of every single cell-membrane.  In blood (where readings come from) cholesterol does extra duty to plug lesions/cuts in artery walls ... think of internal scabbing ...  Vitamin C promotes the formation of collagen to permanently heal these scab-wounds.  However, if vitamin C remains low, collagen will not be formed and you will have more and more cholesterol to plug more and more cuts.  Linus Pauling/Mathias Rath developed a protocol to heal artery walls ... vitamin C + L-lysine. http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/

#3 - cholesterol forms the base-chemical for ALL the endocrine hormones (@40) + vitamin D3.  If some hormones are deficient (aging), a feed back signal to produce more cholesterol goes to the liver.  Working on this idea, a team of researchers fed an individualized range of hormones to elderly men so that their hormone level was that of a 30 year-old.  The return to normal cholesterol  was 100%. http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-.....ing%20cholesterol%20

#4 - cholesterol also forms a complex with the amino acid taurine: taurocholate.  This agent is the bile salt that emulsifies/digests all the fats that seem difficult-to-handle .... like vitamin K.  It also forms the other major class of bile salts called glycocholates.

John


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Hi ac,
I have the feeling that most of my ideas are ignored, because they are too 'technical'???????

No John
- but I do think that most of us have been brained washed into thinking that cholesterol is just bad
Well since I read this book
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm I have started to rethink the whole matter

Hope you are fine BTW in your resting mode


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thanx Hettilein & resting John
that's what I learned too ....this history is only made to make more money on million of *bad fats-
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Hi ac,

have the feeling that most of my ideas are ignored, because they are too 'technical'???????

John


I love reading your posts, John--they just sometimes overwhelm me with good!





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