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All right, I hafta admit, for all my preaching, I've been bad the last couple months, (dang holidays), but at least my cheating is lately confined to two vices, milk chocolate (daily, ouch) and 1 or 2 cups of Dunkin Donuts French Vanilla hot coffee w/cream & sugar, per week. I don't always finish the coffee.
I didn't finish the tub of Edy's Slow Churned icecream, either, but we won't go there.
BTD okay otherwise.
Recently the circles I used to have under my eyes have come back, aaugh. My biggest suspect is the dairy in the milk chocolate and the coffee cream.
I recall mhameline refering to dairy as addictive and not understanding at the time, but now I wonder.
Also not sleeping enough again, stupid car problems again.
Anybody have any thoughts or knowledge on the subject? I'm doing chores so may not be around for answering questions, but will keep checking back.
I'm gonna try like crazy to get off this chocolate and coffee kick, I'm bloating up, too.
Just feeling sorry for m'self, got 2 teeth pulled a couple evenings ago, and the ol' body's taking it worse than I expected. The antibiotics aren't helping either. Well, they are, but you know what I mean...
Wavies to all my BTD buds.


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Take it one day at a time, in chucking the chocoholic addiction.  Maybe by trying to cut down on how much you are doing.

I hope you're talking better and feeling better soon sweetie!  {{{{{Big Hug!}}}}}


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The eye circles are probably dairy.  This is definitely what happens to me as well.  I also feel more depressive and less energy.  It's a yuck feeling.  While you are taking those antibiotics, I would definitely take a good probiotic.  Don't want issues from that to come up.  Just cling to your dear meats and greens for life, also good old fish to boost your immune system.  Maybe a short fast wouldn't be a bad idea for you either, like just smoothies, raw juices and water for a day or two?

Herbal teas might help you feel better and cleanse as well.  Hope you are better soon.
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Oh this is soooo Mike.

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O'Suzelannchen, I am soo sorry to hear that ....have I been a pusher right now  
hmmm couldn't you change that choc. habit into taking dark chocolate but without sugar
and have an on some pure colostrum, but treated without casein and lactose.....works as a natural antibiotic, better than such bombes and perhaps would you like to go for a deep tissue cleaning with loads of garlic (doesn't bother if that smells a bit ) and some alpha lipoic acid, turmeric, loads of stingingnettle, & dandelion.......and let just those bloody caféshakes and get onto the greentea track again ;) ......instead of eating milkchocs....drink a sweetened herbal tea.......do you drink enough of liquids daily whats' about a bit more of lemonwater
please don't  tell me anymore of toothproblem... ..... ...I've to go too and I am not
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sometimes were all glutens for punishment


I love it
I have an imaginary BTD t-shirt shop in my head, and that will be one of the new shirts!


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No, Isa, you have not contributed to my chocolate "problem," I was deep into those woods already when I got your little surprise, no worries, my friend. The reason I suspected dairy is that I have had a chunk of dark chocolate in my desk for over 6 weeks, and whenever I contemplated having that I wanted milk choc. instead. Sneaking cheese, ice cream.....
Definitely need more red meat, it kills the cravings, know I haven't been cooking much - kitchen electrical & plumbing "issues."
I know what works, just haven't been doing it enough.
Thanks, guys. Ketch ya laytah.


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haa...what's about L'glutamine  and / orrr l'tyrosine

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Wow - I love this thread.  I am really suffering from dark circles - they are unbelievably bad. I have been off the diet for the last year or so.

My worst vices - coffee/half and half/ greek yoghurt/ chocolate.

I am pretty good on everything else - although I do eat muffins at least a few times a week.  I eat too much ezekiel bread - at least a piece a day.

do you guys really think that dairy causes the dark circles. I have suspected it
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yes, and also wheat or other foods your body react to. (allergy or intolerance, and mostly 'avoids' in general)


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and sugars...too much of all kind of sugars, carbs etc....and of course  milk products.... and have an eye on your *royalness* .....much tougher then I know it too but I augmented loads of liquid intake and then much better- hope you do too ...so the badies might turn off
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What do you mean by your "royalness" - not sure what you are referring to.
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If I'm not wrong, it must be like the story of The Princess And The Pea, where the proof of her princess-ness was that she could feel a pea though it was under a 12-mattress layer of bedding. So stuff that might not bother other Os hurt us Nonnies. On the other hand, we can have lentils & avocados, etc., and they can't  
Heaving big sighs re: Ezekial bread and the dairy. Funny, I've had less and less interest in grains - except when going for an out-and-out cheat like pastry - but been craving things that have dairy, like ice cream, cheese and milk choc.
Mr. OSuzanna's been consuming large amounts of Ezekial bread and his excema is trying to return to his hands and arms. I told him I suspected his many peanutbutter and jelly and Ezekial sandwiches, which he'll make at least 2 a night if the stuff's in the house. We're out of it now, and hoping to keep it that way.
No coffee or naughty half&half today. Baby steps, I guess.  


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haa...what's about L'glutamine  and / orrr l'tyrosine


Ah, yes, Isa, I'm out of Tyrosine and Glutamine, they're on the shopping list, thanks for reminding me.


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My husband is a B and has very dark circles under his eyes. He also has a lot of sinus problems and is a mouth breather. He is half black- half white and although B's do good with dairy I wonder if is race doesn't pay a factor.
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Ah, yes, Isa, I'm out of Tyrosine and Glutamine, they're on the shopping list, thanks for reminding me.


What do these two supps do and do they do them for all blood types? I'm looking for something to suppress my apetite when it comes to extra goodies. There was a thread labeled appetite suppressant but it was mostly for and by Os.


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Tyrosine helps my mood & energy levels, glutamine is supposed to help w/carb cravings and good for intestines -sorry, forgot the details. But I'm woefully ignorant re: As' needs. Except for yelling at them to ease off the red meat, dairy and cut back on wheat...


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No yelling; just gentle prodding.


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Glutamine can increase cortisol in type As, therefore it is typically considered an avoid.


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Type As probably would not benefit from tyrosine the same way a type O does.


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LR4YT....type A...L'Glutamin...2-500mg's 2x daily

L'tyrosine, is an aminoacid which works in acute stress situation also for type A; page 293 in teutonic language ....3-7 grams daily


was that gentle enough
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I've had major dark circles under my eyes since teens & still do.  (My father used to call me 'Dracula's Daughter'.)  Getting off all grains hasn't taken them away.  Maybe I'm still detoxing ....  Does anyone know how long roughly it takes to detox fully?  

Can't even lash out on a bit of chocolate - even the dark (which I love) as it gives me a funny heartbeat during the night - like it skips beats and dances!  

 

Just always assumed dark circles was heredity or having a slightly higher bridge  
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nope, dark circles let us know that something in your form of detoxing doesn't go right- it means you body is just storing toxins into his tissues and this is called cytochrom 450  
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nope, dark circles let us know that something in your form of detoxing doesn't go right- it means you body is just storing toxins into his tissues and this is called cytochrom 450  


This sounds really scarey     Which tissues ? and what is cytochrom 450 ?  

Am only using BTD for detoxing
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wow - I am freaked out by that detoxing comment as well.

I keep struggling with the idea of the blood type diet because it is soooo restrictive. I do remember being off all grains, dairy and coffee and I had virtually no dark circles - which is quite something.

I thought that dark circles were just from sitting in front of the computer for too long all day and not enough fresh air.

I am on day one of the blood type diet - i did have one piece of ezekiel for breakfast and an egg - with green tea. NO COFFEE!  

I am going to try and do this for a week and see how i feel
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hope to be able in pidgining it right
your bodytissue is called matrix and when taking any kind of xenobiotica or just living in a false way with loads of no-nos, your body stores all such toxins into the matrix; thatswhy we should detox sometimes. And yes it can become scary in case of being overweight, high bp etc; but sometimes it showing up a bad detox or that your body is also in need of more liquids, and of course, sleep -
....it is about the hemproteins with enzymatic activities (oxidase) and is to be found in all cells.
The metabolisme has great dificulties to get detoxed on his own; mostly is it to be found in the liver,lungs and gastrointestinaltract. Those enzymatic activities are very important for related xenobiotica intake......because it is also related to the genetic polymorphisme, and dito here is the point how someone might support some kinds of medication, because different isoenzymatic activities may
occure und lead to different phenotypic models. (oups this is all in Wikipedia)
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I don't really want to do an aggressive detox - can I take a few things. I have milk thistle at home which I think might be good.

Also - I figured a few days on the blood type diet might get me going
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yeppers I think that doing the BTD is ok; but some of us want to go quicker threw all those badies, so I think milk thistle is fine, dito stingingnettle, chlorella etc...but one of the quickest and best is Enada
NADH, why because it takes all the toxins' outta of the cells; and releases the needed electron for reup-
building ATP.....very important for the cell survival !
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What is Enada NADH? Where do I find it?
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What do these two supps do and do they do them for all blood types? I'm looking for something to suppress my apetite when it comes to extra goodies. There was a thread labeled appetite suppressant but it was mostly for and by Os.
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Glutamine can increase cortisol in type As, therefore it is typically considered an avoid.
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Type As probably would not benefit from tyrosine the same way a type O does.
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LR4YT....type A...L'Glutamin...2-500mg's 2x daily

L'tyrosine, is an aminoacid which works in acute stress situation also for type A; page 293 in teutonic language ....3-7 grams daily

In the old message board it was discussed several times that glutamine caused an increase in cortisol for type A and therefore may not be wise. Maybe it is OK in the smaller 200-500mg twice daily amounts for type A, versus the 500mg when needed for type Os.

I wasn't trying to say that type As couldn't use tyrosine, for example for stress. Just that it may not work the same way or to the same extent as a type O for appetite suppression, since type Os apparently have a more problematic dopamine system and Dr. D had said that dopamine is very important to the mental stability of type Os. Therefore, I was questioning if tyrosine may not help as much for appetite suppression in a type A as it might in a type O.

In the Diabetes book on page 104 it recommends type A with a sweet craving problem using milk thistle for a few weeks and maybe a cup of licorice tea at 10 am and 2 pm.


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since dark circles under the eyes might eventually also be a sign of an allergic reaction or intolerance to certain allergens; why not try following the advice given in the allergy book as well as following those protocols?   just a thought.....


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That's interesting about the dark circles, Isa.  My pediatrician used to call them allergy eyes.  I've been having a hard time lately with sugar.  I've always had a problem with dark chocolate but lately I think the sugar and dairy are getting me too.  I only have goat's milk or water buffalo milk cheese and yogurt but I know I have more than I should.  I ran out of Polyflora O this week and I rationalized having extra yogurt as a result.  There's a brand called Woodstock Farms that's sweetened with maple syrup.  It's really creamy.  Just what I needed, something else to be addicted to.  
I take l-glutamine but maybe not enough of it.  How much should I be taking?
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yogurt is not advised for you being an O, Jane.


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In the old message board it was discussed several times that glutamine caused an increase in cortisol for type A and therefore may not be wise. Maybe it is OK in the smaller 200-500mg twice daily amounts for type A, versus the 500mg when needed for type Os.

I wasn't trying to say that type As couldn't use tyrosine, for example for stress. Just that it may not work the same way or to the same extent as a type O for appetite suppression, since type Os apparently have a more problematic dopamine system and Dr. D had said that dopamine is very important to the mental stability of type Os. Therefore, I was questioning if tyrosine may not help as much for appetite suppression in a type A as it might in a type O.

In the Diabetes book on page 104 it recommends type A with a sweet craving problem using milk thistle for a few weeks and maybe a cup of licorice tea at 10 am and 2 pm.



I don't feel like I'm under acute stress, just that I crave foods that maybe are not that good for me - or are more than the recommended servings of good foods. Sometimes I crave sweets, but usually I can get my hands on some dried fruit or some 100% fruit spread. I usually just eat more than the recommended amount of servings of everything except fruits and vegetables because I'm not feeling satiated. I eat a lot of vegetables, but they are mostly non-starchy veggies like kale, broccoli, celery, carrots, onions, ginger, garlic... I almost always start my day with a high protein b'fst, and rarely do I eat grains before dinner.


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Maybe you just need more food/calories in your current winter environment.


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Perhaps, but I'm trying to lose 15 lbs.!  


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I keep struggling with the idea of the blood type diet because it is soooo restrictive.


I feel the opposite.  I eat a much wider variety of foods on BTD than I did 5 years ago!  It is your choice how you decide to look at life, so you can choose to see the BTD differently too.  



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Have any of you seen significant changes to how you feel/look/health on the diet?
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Have any of you seen significant changes to how you feel/look/health on the diet?


Suzedgar, you may want to read the threads on "testimonials". Go to "index" bottom on top of this page and there find "testimonials."

You will find plenty of replies to your question.

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So from what's been said, if you still have dark circles when totally compliant, you need to detox  

Especially if overweight - but what if you're not overweight, would the BTD detox you? As others on other threads have said this.  

My recent iiver function tests have come back normal - still need to detox?  
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Very quick posting - 3 days off the coffee, dark circles almost gone. Chocolate still a problem, but no mega-bars purchased in 3 days, but boss brought in bag of mixed small choc's to office treat table...with predictable results. Over all, situation has improved. I love how this thread grew. Bye for now. Wavies to all.


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Enada NADH is a coenzyme, called Coenzyme A..... and it is to obtain in any good healthfoodstore but
please have an eye onto the stabilized form...so it works effectifly....... ....and ther's some brands like Springfield with some 5 mg's and Vitamin World with some 7,5 mg's and then take 2x daily.....
and last but not least..best of best is from Prof. Birkemeyer, but it's the orginal and expensive

wish you good luck, me.....I take every morning and in the afternoon on my empty stomach 7,5mg's of Vitamin World.'s Enada ....and I am fit the whole day long
no sideeffects known there- even for  longtimeuse...just n o t h i n g

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Thank you Tomatilla - I will certainly look into this  

Just the thought of losing my big black circles makes me      
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and Enada NADH is one of the few which is able to restaure DNA/RNA dammages...thats fine too and dear shells; ya welcome

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Suzanna, great job going coffee free!!


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Thanks for sharing with us.

Please take one day at a time, and view the foods/beverages that you consume as your 'medicine'.

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Quoted from shells
So from what's been said, if you still have dark circles when totally compliant, you need to detox  

Especially if overweight - but what if you're not overweight, would the BTD detox you? As others on other threads have said this.  

My recent iiver function tests have come back normal - still need to detox?  


BTD compliance will detox you in time.  If you feel the need to go further have you considered using the  detox protocol?

Just a thought.  
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BTD compliance will detox you in time.  If you feel the need to go further have you considered using the  detox protocol?

Just a thought.  


Thank you  - but is it usually weeks or months or days?    
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Just looked it up - the Encyclopedia suggests one week.

You could also read through the liver flush thread which is another tool to help your body to get rid off rubbish.

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Hey, the humor & humanity in the Liver Flush Thread helped finalize my decision that this was the right place to be, and I have not regretted an instant!
Day 4 or 5 - I've lost track - without coffee, toughing it out, and slightly less chocolate, eye circles (and sinuses) still slowly improving. Pulled-teeth area healing up slowly, too. Even feel less bloated. The worst of the dark is gone, now assigning most of the blame to the too-much chocolate & inadequate sleep. Trying hard to improve. Waah. It was so easy to be 100% good the first couple months, til I was well enough to go back to work. Figures the office provides constant bowls of small chocolates, my downfall. I can't believe I'm struggling to quit, or at least drastically cut back, coffee a second time! And I didn't even LIKE it til 6 or so years ago!!!!  No fair!  
And now with the "pressure" of having to look good in front of my family & friends for my first anniversary of BTD! Augh.
Feb. 14 has a whole new significance for me   I had my candy last year, then went on BTD. The whole world has changed for me and I'm trying hard to help others. My sisterinlaw just had me order the blood test to find out what her mother is so we can get to work on her terrible arthritis pains. It came this week, and I'll do the test on her very soon.
I still believe in being able to cheat a little at parties & holidays, I'm keeping my sense of humor, but lately things got out of hand. I was shocked at the force with which the desire for coffee grabbed me. Was not expecting that! Live and learn  
This thread really took off, didn't it? What a nice surprise  


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yeah, the more a thread grows, the more I learn! My favorite way to be  - learning!
Wavies, Isa!


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you ve got the picture!!
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OSuzanna - You are so right it is so much learning!!!  

Have been assuming that once I got my diet worked out right that it would be a breeze from there onwards but now the great reality is coming in loud & strong that the MAINTENANCE of this lifestyle is the big challenge and the learning doesn't seem to stop    
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When the body has been used to green tea and you then give it "coffee" stange things start happening.

At work, I like the "Irsh cream" - no (real) cream, no (real) sugar, no (real) coffee, and certainly no (real) Irsh whiskey - purely preprocessed powder - machine food dispensed by a machine.

Dark circles are the least of my current issues, but let us call avoids by their proper names - poisons!


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