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Wednesday, January 17, 2007, 12:32pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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nope, dark circles let us know that something in your form of detoxing doesn't go right- it means you body is just storing toxins into his tissues and this is called cytochrom 450  


This sounds really scarey     Which tissues ? and what is cytochrom 450 ?  

Am only using BTD for detoxing
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wow - I am freaked out by that detoxing comment as well.

I keep struggling with the idea of the blood type diet because it is soooo restrictive. I do remember being off all grains, dairy and coffee and I had virtually no dark circles - which is quite something.

I thought that dark circles were just from sitting in front of the computer for too long all day and not enough fresh air.

I am on day one of the blood type diet - i did have one piece of ezekiel for breakfast and an egg - with green tea. NO COFFEE!  

I am going to try and do this for a week and see how i feel
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hope to be able in pidgining it right
your bodytissue is called matrix and when taking any kind of xenobiotica or just living in a false way with loads of no-nos, your body stores all such toxins into the matrix; thatswhy we should detox sometimes. And yes it can become scary in case of being overweight, high bp etc; but sometimes it showing up a bad detox or that your body is also in need of more liquids, and of course, sleep -
....it is about the hemproteins with enzymatic activities (oxidase) and is to be found in all cells.
The metabolisme has great dificulties to get detoxed on his own; mostly is it to be found in the liver,lungs and gastrointestinaltract. Those enzymatic activities are very important for related xenobiotica intake......because it is also related to the genetic polymorphisme, and dito here is the point how someone might support some kinds of medication, because different isoenzymatic activities may
occure und lead to different phenotypic models. (oups this is all in Wikipedia)
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I don't really want to do an aggressive detox - can I take a few things. I have milk thistle at home which I think might be good.

Also - I figured a few days on the blood type diet might get me going
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yeppers I think that doing the BTD is ok; but some of us want to go quicker threw all those badies, so I think milk thistle is fine, dito stingingnettle, chlorella etc...but one of the quickest and best is Enada
NADH, why because it takes all the toxins' outta of the cells; and releases the needed electron for reup-
building ATP.....very important for the cell survival !
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What is Enada NADH? Where do I find it?
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Quoted from outdoordrea
What do these two supps do and do they do them for all blood types? I'm looking for something to suppress my apetite when it comes to extra goodies. There was a thread labeled appetite suppressant but it was mostly for and by Os.
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Glutamine can increase cortisol in type As, therefore it is typically considered an avoid.
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Type As probably would not benefit from tyrosine the same way a type O does.
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LR4YT....type A...L'Glutamin...2-500mg's 2x daily

L'tyrosine, is an aminoacid which works in acute stress situation also for type A; page 293 in teutonic language ....3-7 grams daily

In the old message board it was discussed several times that glutamine caused an increase in cortisol for type A and therefore may not be wise. Maybe it is OK in the smaller 200-500mg twice daily amounts for type A, versus the 500mg when needed for type Os.

I wasn't trying to say that type As couldn't use tyrosine, for example for stress. Just that it may not work the same way or to the same extent as a type O for appetite suppression, since type Os apparently have a more problematic dopamine system and Dr. D had said that dopamine is very important to the mental stability of type Os. Therefore, I was questioning if tyrosine may not help as much for appetite suppression in a type A as it might in a type O.

In the Diabetes book on page 104 it recommends type A with a sweet craving problem using milk thistle for a few weeks and maybe a cup of licorice tea at 10 am and 2 pm.


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since dark circles under the eyes might eventually also be a sign of an allergic reaction or intolerance to certain allergens; why not try following the advice given in the allergy book as well as following those protocols?   just a thought.....


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That's interesting about the dark circles, Isa.  My pediatrician used to call them allergy eyes.  I've been having a hard time lately with sugar.  I've always had a problem with dark chocolate but lately I think the sugar and dairy are getting me too.  I only have goat's milk or water buffalo milk cheese and yogurt but I know I have more than I should.  I ran out of Polyflora O this week and I rationalized having extra yogurt as a result.  There's a brand called Woodstock Farms that's sweetened with maple syrup.  It's really creamy.  Just what I needed, something else to be addicted to.  
I take l-glutamine but maybe not enough of it.  How much should I be taking?
Jane
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yogurt is not advised for you being an O, Jane.


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Quoted from ironwood55

In the old message board it was discussed several times that glutamine caused an increase in cortisol for type A and therefore may not be wise. Maybe it is OK in the smaller 200-500mg twice daily amounts for type A, versus the 500mg when needed for type Os.

I wasn't trying to say that type As couldn't use tyrosine, for example for stress. Just that it may not work the same way or to the same extent as a type O for appetite suppression, since type Os apparently have a more problematic dopamine system and Dr. D had said that dopamine is very important to the mental stability of type Os. Therefore, I was questioning if tyrosine may not help as much for appetite suppression in a type A as it might in a type O.

In the Diabetes book on page 104 it recommends type A with a sweet craving problem using milk thistle for a few weeks and maybe a cup of licorice tea at 10 am and 2 pm.



I don't feel like I'm under acute stress, just that I crave foods that maybe are not that good for me - or are more than the recommended servings of good foods. Sometimes I crave sweets, but usually I can get my hands on some dried fruit or some 100% fruit spread. I usually just eat more than the recommended amount of servings of everything except fruits and vegetables because I'm not feeling satiated. I eat a lot of vegetables, but they are mostly non-starchy veggies like kale, broccoli, celery, carrots, onions, ginger, garlic... I almost always start my day with a high protein b'fst, and rarely do I eat grains before dinner.


Let go of resistance; feel appreciation for what is, and eagerness for what is coming.
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Maybe you just need more food/calories in your current winter environment.


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Perhaps, but I'm trying to lose 15 lbs.!  


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I keep struggling with the idea of the blood type diet because it is soooo restrictive.


I feel the opposite.  I eat a much wider variety of foods on BTD than I did 5 years ago!  It is your choice how you decide to look at life, so you can choose to see the BTD differently too.  



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Have any of you seen significant changes to how you feel/look/health on the diet?
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Have any of you seen significant changes to how you feel/look/health on the diet?


Suzedgar, you may want to read the threads on "testimonials". Go to "index" bottom on top of this page and there find "testimonials."

You will find plenty of replies to your question.

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So from what's been said, if you still have dark circles when totally compliant, you need to detox  

Especially if overweight - but what if you're not overweight, would the BTD detox you? As others on other threads have said this.  

My recent iiver function tests have come back normal - still need to detox?  
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Very quick posting - 3 days off the coffee, dark circles almost gone. Chocolate still a problem, but no mega-bars purchased in 3 days, but boss brought in bag of mixed small choc's to office treat table...with predictable results. Over all, situation has improved. I love how this thread grew. Bye for now. Wavies to all.


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Enada NADH is a coenzyme, called Coenzyme A..... and it is to obtain in any good healthfoodstore but
please have an eye onto the stabilized form...so it works effectifly....... ....and ther's some brands like Springfield with some 5 mg's and Vitamin World with some 7,5 mg's and then take 2x daily.....
and last but not least..best of best is from Prof. Birkemeyer, but it's the orginal and expensive

wish you good luck, me.....I take every morning and in the afternoon on my empty stomach 7,5mg's of Vitamin World.'s Enada ....and I am fit the whole day long
no sideeffects known there- even for  longtimeuse...just n o t h i n g

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Thank you Tomatilla - I will certainly look into this  

Just the thought of losing my big black circles makes me      
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and Enada NADH is one of the few which is able to restaure DNA/RNA dammages...thats fine too and dear shells; ya welcome

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Suzanna, great job going coffee free!!


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Thanks for sharing with us.

Please take one day at a time, and view the foods/beverages that you consume as your 'medicine'.

Alia



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Quoted from shells
So from what's been said, if you still have dark circles when totally compliant, you need to detox  

Especially if overweight - but what if you're not overweight, would the BTD detox you? As others on other threads have said this.  

My recent iiver function tests have come back normal - still need to detox?  


BTD compliance will detox you in time.  If you feel the need to go further have you considered using the  detox protocol?

Just a thought.  
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BTD compliance will detox you in time.  If you feel the need to go further have you considered using the  detox protocol?

Just a thought.  


Thank you  - but is it usually weeks or months or days?    
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