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Since the middle of the summer, when I had a period of high stress and very hard work, long hours, poor sleep (and . . did I mention High Stress? ), I have been dealing with fatigue to the extent that I rarely DON'T feel tired.  I am working with the Fatigue book, as well as the Fatigue Protocol, and at least it has stopped getting worse.  I can see how fatigue is closely related to Adrenals, and so I'm reading about Adrenal Exhaustion.
One of the big changes I am trying to make, is my sleep rhythm.  After checking out the book, Lights Out, by Wiley, it's clear that I haven't been helping my health at all by burning the midnight oil.  I am beginning to think that sleep is not something that one can really "catch up" on, and we need to honor our body's limitations in this regard.  

Italybound has mentioned her struggles with this condition, and I'd love to hear more information, ideas, and things that are working for others dealing with this challenge.



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I have significant adrenal fatigue problems caused by mercury toxicity from my previous dental fillings.

Are you using probiotics? anti-candida supplements? B12?


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Yes, on the Probiotics.  But I'm using a minimal amount;  only 1 capsule a day of Polyflora B.

Plus I eat goat yogurt every day.

I'm not doing any anti candida supplements.  But I do take one sublingual B 12 every day.  



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I was having major problems with my adrenals when I first moved to the NW by myself after selling my home in Califorina, after losing my 2nd husband to cancer and after leaving my first husband of 21 years.  Divorce, Death and Moving - three of the huge major stressors all within 4 years.

I went to a naturalpath and had my brain chemistry tested and all my hormones.   Wow... what we found was amazing in deficiencies.  She started me on some great supplements and got me all normalized.

The brain chemistry testing was amazing.  I hope you can find a good naturalpath to help you get on the road to recovery and that way you won't be guessing and guessing and guessing.  I was so relieved to find out what the issues were and get started on getting them addressed AND that I wasn't CRAZY!!!
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The brain chemistry testing was amazing.


Any way to get more info on this.

Victoria, the first thing I did was to have a saliva panel done for cortisol and DHEA and some other things. �Cortisol is tested 4 times a day, DHEA is tested 3. �You should be around 20 in the morning an hour or 2 after you get up. I was 4. From there I went to 2, 1, 1. �You should be 1 at bedtime.
I have incorporated Lights Out, Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome and Your Body's Many Cries for Water, as well as the BTD fatigue book. �
If you are really feeling you may have adrenal fatigue, please get it checked now. You don't want to get to where I am. EVERY morning was a struggle just to get out of bed. I was tired all the time. Would have to take a nap on my way home from work many days. Tired, tired, tired.
I think my road back is going to be a long haul, BUT having these other 3 books (especially the one on sleeping), will be a big help.
Dr Lam says in adrenal fatigue, we need to be in bed by 10 and sleep until 8:30, if possible (impossible for most people). My NP thought that was too much sleep, but I bucked him on that one and sleep from 8PM to 5:30 or 6AM. �Or close to those times anyway. Like you, I was burning the midnight oil too much. Add 7 surgeries, one birth, a divorce, 3 car accidents, 1 motorcylcle accident, constant chronic bronchitis, sinusitis (which spells antibiotics) and the list continues. When I look back thru my whole life, I can see exactly how I got to where I am now.
Dr Lam's site and Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome have been very helpful. �Suggested reading for you.


This is a very long article, Victoria, but w/ all the knowledge you have, I think you should understand most of it. When I first read it, I was not so lucky, but it makes much more sense to me now.
Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome �will explain alot more and
Lights Out, well you've read that apparently, so you know how important good and long sleep is. Going to bed at 8 is tough, but I'm going to do it for as long as I need. Will have to finish reading the rest of that book to see when I need to change that. I understand from what I've read so far, that the 9.5 hours he recommends is only for 7 mths of the year. VERY interesting book so far and I'm only maybe 30 pages in.
Let me see if I can find the site w/ the saliva panel testing information. BRB
Here ya go:

Then select Tests and Panels
Then read each of the 'articles' under the Adrenal Stress Index heading.
This will give you some ideas of what the test consists.
Do you have a good NP there?
If you need anything else, PLEASE feel free to ask. �{{{{{{ HUGs }}}}}} �
Oh, I am also taking 9 Polyflora a day to try and undo the antibiotic damage.
I am also going to get some of one of the new NAP supps for stress. Don't remember which one it is, tho. Will try to check that tomorrow. HAVE to get in bed.

The NAP prod I was looking at is Tranquility Base:
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=NP035














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Quoted from funkymuse
I was having major problems with my adrenals when I first moved to the NW by myself after selling my home in Califorina, after losing my 2nd husband to cancer and after leaving my first husband of 21 years.  Divorce, Death and Moving - three of the huge major stressors all within 4 years.

The brain chemistry testing was amazing.  I hope you can find a good naturalpath to help you get on the road to recovery and that way you won't be guessing and guessing and guessing.  I was so relieved to find out what the issues were and get started on getting them addressed AND that I wasn't CRAZY!!!


Hi Funkymuse,
And thanks for your suggestions!  I can relate to some of those major stressors, myself!  
I would be interested in any more information that you can share on the type of testing you had done.  And also do you remember what the supplements were that were helpful for you?



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Italy,
I was hoping that you would step into this conversation.  I read that article by Dr. Lam already, but just now went back and read it again.  I feel that I'm on the right track with the supplements that I'm taking, and my intention to get in bed early and sleep at least 9 hours (or more when I can) per night.

I'm signing off now so that I can finish everything I need to do and get in bed early tonight.  Thanks for  sharing!  



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Quoted from Victoria
Yes, on the Probiotics.  But I'm using a minimal amount;  only 1 capsule a day of Polyflora B.

Plus I eat goat yogurt every day.

I'm not doing any anti candida supplements.  But I do take one sublingual B 12 every day.  

I now discourage anyone with mercury fillings from using B12 or probiotics because of the potential to drastically hurt your health. I believe supplementation with these products are what caused my health collapse 4 1/2 years ago.

Read:
Read FAQ #8:

Candida is very common in people with mercury problems. Candida binds with mercury.  Therefore, if you take anti-candida supplements which kills some of the candida it will cause a release of the mercury.


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Victoria,

I do not know whether this is adrenal fatigue relate, decades ago if I watched tv for 4+ hours (sitting some 20' from the box), my arms would tingle and I felt as if I had just run a marathon.  [This was a long while before I understood that tv's emit a magnetic field that competes with my own.]

It's been decades now with no tv - one of the 'best' things I've ever done for personal energy.

Most computer monitors are a similar-to-tv design (oscilloscope).  The newer flat-screen models do not have any magnetic-field problems.

John


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Ok... here ya go...



My NP did most of the testing using the Neuroscience testing kits.  She tested everything she could on me for dopamine, serotonin, etc., etc...

Also tested all of my hormone levels which play a big part in everything.

She prescribed supp's based on what my tests showed so what works for me may not for you so I wouldn't want to recommend anything.

I hope you can find a good NP to go work with on this. I live in OR so if you live nearby here, let me know.  My NP is great.

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Quoted from John_McDonell_O+
Most computer monitors are a similar-to-tv design (oscilloscope). The newer flat-screen models do not have any magnetic-field problems.John


What about laptop screens?

funkymuse, thanks for that info!! I'm going to have my NP look in to this. I may have this done as well.



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Hi ib,

flat screens and laptop screens use the same technology - LED (I think).  My chiro said radiation from these was 0.25" (1/4 inch), while from older-style monitor is 17' (17 feet).

John


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does this apply to flat screen TV?
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and also, have you guys read diana schwartzbein? she, of course, is not a BTD doctor, butr otherwise she is pretty awesome...her recommendations for adrenal fatigue are very powerful and she lets you know it takes years to correct this problem. (I have had this condition and am better but probably not healed yet...)
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Ok, MoDon and Laura,
I'm willing to forgo the B12 for a while.  My committment to myself is to get all the mercury out of my teeth within the next 1/2 year.  So this will give me extra motivation to stay with it.

Resting,
I'm not a tv watcher, maybe once a week, I'll watch a video from 8 feet away, but the computer moniter is something to consider.  Thank you for this reminder!  

funkymuse,
Thank you for that link.  I'm going to take my time and browse through it later, so I don't have anything intelligent to say about it yet!  

Jayney,
There is a lot of stuff on Google about Diana S.  Is there a particular site that you recommend for getting a good idea of what she promotes?  Thanks for that tip, and I will look into her approach some more.



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Last night, I got in bed by 10:15 pm and managed to sleep pretty much all through the night until 9 am.  I was amazed by how long my body really wanted to sleep when I gave myself permission to do so.  After the 1st of the new year, I'll have to start getting up at around 7 am again, but I hope that by then I have gotten into the rhythm of sleeping longer.  I'll just go to bed earlier then, if I can.  I think this is going to be one of the keys to my healing.  Maybe most people make it on 7 or 8 hours of sleep, but it appears that at this point anyway, I need 9 or 10.

The site that Italy provided has a check list for adrenal fatigue, which is pretty interesting.  I relate to a number of them.  A couple of points are pretty telling, I think.  I have a major fatigue attack between 3 and 5 pm every day, and then my energy stabilizes back out.  There is another big slump around 9 pm.  I'm wondering if that means I should go to bed at 9??  

Also in the morning, after I wake up, if I do what my body is asking of me, I really need about an hour to really wake up before I get out of bed.  That's a strange thing for me.  I'm definately not lazy.  This is an experience of waking up with zero energy, and allowing myself to lie there while my energy slowly builds to the point that I feel good, and ready to  "spring out of bed with a smile on my face".  wierd. . .



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hi jayney-0,

flat screen tv's that are LCD should be OK for this.  I do not know anything about plasma tv's ... so will not advise one way or the other.  

John


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Jayney,
I just reserved a copy of "The Schwarzbein Principle" from my library.



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good idea. It is her books tha t I am familiar with. One of her ideas is that we must eat fats with everything, to heal. She explains it so it makes sense. there's much more, including sleep. And she's a "no sugar" gal.
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Well, so far, I can relate to all those things, Jayney.



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Quoted from Victoria
Last night, I got in bed by 10:15 pm and managed to sleep pretty much all through the night until 9 am.  I was amazed by how long my body really wanted to sleep when I gave myself permission to do so.  After the 1st of the new year, I'll have to start getting up at around 7 am again, but I hope that by then I have gotten into the rhythm of sleeping longer.  I'll just go to bed earlier then, if I can.  I think this is going to be one of the keys to my healing.  Maybe most people make it on 7 or 8 hours of sleep, but it appears that at this point anyway, I need 9 or 10.
The site that Italy provided has a check list for adrenal fatigue, which is pretty interesting.  I relate to a number of them.  A couple of points are pretty telling, I think.  I have a major fatigue attack between 3 and 5 pm every day, and then my energy stabilizes back out.  There is another big slump around 9 pm.  I'm wondering if that means I should go to bed at 9??  
Also in the morning, after I wake up, if I do what my body is asking of me, I really need about an hour to really wake up before I get out of bed.  That's a strange thing for me.  I'm definately not lazy.  This is an experience of waking up with zero energy, and allowing myself to lie there while my energy slowly builds to the point that I feel good, and ready to  "spring out of bed with a smile on my face".  wierd. . .


Victoria, per your post above: being in bed around 10 and getting up at 8:30 is what Dr Lam recommends (as you prob remember and maybe that is specifically why you did that.
Anyway,  I think it is in the Adrenal book that it says the most healing time to the adrenals is between 7-9AM. So, yes, when you have to be up at 7, please give yourself a couple extra hours sleep at night. It's a hard habit to get into but I'm sure your adrenals will thank you for it. I am in agreement that the extra sleep will be a big key in healing the adrenals. Plus a dose of whatever supplements you are taking , at night before beddy bye.
The 3-5 slump is a big sign of A/F and if you are really feelin' pooped around 9, run and jump in bed as fast as your little legs will carry you.  If you stay up, your adrenals will then kick in for a 2nd round, which means they will then be doing 2 days work in one. THIS is how our adrenals become so fatigued and then exhausted.

I am kind of the same way when I wake up. My mind wakes up before my body. I really don't have the luxury of laying in bed for an hour, but if I could, I would.
Rosco has been really noisy lately. For the past 3 nights he has awaken me repeatedly w/ his barking. I hate to put him in the garage, but if it keeps up, I will.  Having 9 hours of BROKEN sleep is no good either.



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I'm glad you have brought the adrenal issue to our attention, here on the Forum, Pat.  Because of you, I started taking my fatigue very seriously, and being more focused with my supplements, AND getting my body into bed at an early hour and trying to stay in bed longer in the a.m.

Once my daughter's school starts back again, I'll need to be up at an earlier hour, but I'm convinced that I'm on to something important.  This has been a much better day than I've had in weeks.  I did have my 3 - 5 slump, but it wasn't as severe as usual.  And the rest of the day, I was productive without having to push myself.

So thank you very much!!!  

And I must thank Don for inspiring me to get moving with having these mercury fillings removed.  



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I'm glad you have brought the adrenal issue to our attention, here on the Forum, Pat.  Because of you, I started taking my fatigue very seriously, and being more focused with my supplements, AND getting my body into bed at an early hour and trying to stay in bed longer in the a.m.
Once my daughter's school starts back again, I'll need to be up at an earlier hour, but I'm convinced that I'm on to something important.  This has been a much better day than I've had in weeks.  I did have my 3 - 5 slump, but it wasn't as severe as usual.  And the rest of the day, I was productive without having to push myself.
So thank you very much!!!  
And I must thank Don for inspiring me to get moving with having these mercury fillings removed.  


You are so welcome Victoria. Sometimes I think people must wish I'd shut my piehole about adrenal fatigue, but I really believe it is MUCH MORE of a problem than is realized.   And if my yakkin' helps someone, then guess I'll keep yakkin'.
Also, wondering if you are waking up thru the night? And if so, what times?
Also, if you haven't read this piece, the Adrenal book suggests that even if you can only sleep until 9AM on the weekends, to do so. There again referring, IMHO, to the restorative goodness that sleeping between 7-9 AM brings.
I would love to see a book by Dr D on Adrenals. I have been meaning to go suggest that for weeks, so I guess NOW is that time to do so.
Have a great day all!!  



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I agree with Victoria, Pat was the reason I looked into this whole subject too.
I'm working on mine but as we all know it can't be fixed in 5 mins and different supps don't suit all people!! i plod on though!!


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I'm working on mine but as we all know it can't be fixed in 5 mins


This is exactly why I can't seem to shut up about this issue. If people are more aware it is a huge problem, maybe they can catch it before it they get to the point where they feel like "Am I ever going to be well again".

Saw a little something today I thought I'd share.
It's a little clip from a 'column' of a sort -
Question:"Can staying up late raise my risk of cancer?"
Answer:  "Startling new evidence says Yes. Women who worked a night shift had a 48% greater cancer risk than those who didn't. Evidence indicates that watching TV or sitting in front of the computer until the wee hours can produce the same results. Late night light exposure appears to be harmful to human health."

Just what we've been saying here, eh?



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What type of doctor would you see for testing or treatment?

If there are no holistic or naturopathic options in your area, would an endocrinologist be able to at least test for it?  

Early to bed and early to rise is part of our religion, unfortunately it's part my kids don't quite understand yet!  


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What type of doctor would you see for testing or treatment?
If there are no holistic or naturopathic options in your area, would an endocrinologist be able to at least test for it?


I think you might even be able to do it yourself from the website I provided, but you have to have someone who knows how to read and treat , from there.  And actually knows what they are doing. There is a tough one. How do you really know?



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I welcome this enquiry into Adrenal Fatigue, and I don't believe a regular doctor will diagnose it. They might say, "you're just fatigued, go get some rest." I know my docs at Kaiser never thought along those lines. It takes a naturopathic type doc, a chiro, or acu....to the best of my understanding (I forgot Italybound's acronym, dang!) and the Dr. Lam site is very good, and check out Dr. Shcwartzbein's books....
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IB,
how about putting on some ear plugs to sleep without being awakened by external noises?

this has helped me get in more hours of sound sleep nights.


and also; what is every ones opinion on the famous 'siesta'?
I have never been able to do it, but would it be wise for those who get the 3 to 5 pm slump?


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Have you ever communicated or counseled directly with Dr. Lam?  



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yes, siesta seems to be very restoring to some........

you could try closing your eyes when the pm slump hits........provided you fall asleep when you go to bed early at night.


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I welcome this enquiry into Adrenal Fatigue, and I don't believe a regular doctor will diagnose it. It takes a naturopathic type doc, a chiro, or acu....to the best of my understanding (I forgot Italybound's acronym, dang!).


jayney-O, I have to agree about most reg drs not diagnosing A/F.  For one thing, Im not aware of any pharmaceutical remedy for it, which then knocks its importance to the bottom of the totem pole, IMHO.
My acronym is FWIU (from what I understand) 

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IB,how about putting on some ear plugs to sleep without being awakened by external noises?
and also; what is every ones opinion on the famous 'siesta'?
I have never been able to do it, but would it be wise for those who get the 3 to 5 pm slump?


Been there and its not help. I can hear things thru the ear plugs (and they are in as well as they possibly can be, believe me), w/ the noise maker on unless I have it turned up annoyingly loud. So thats not an option either.
Re: a siesta as someone else eluded, it prob depends on the person. My NP said it would be ok to have a 20 min nap but not longer and I would tend to agree, for me anyway. I have had to take a 20 min nap during this time to make the trip home safely. It doesnt effect my sleeping at night. The thing that effects that is my big watchdog () barking or my DH rummaging around in the kitchen.

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Italy,Have you ever communicated or counseled directly with Dr. Lam?  


No, I haven't.     I am very interested in  this Neuroscience testing that funkeymuse mentioned, tho. I'm going to talk to my NP about it. Right after I look in to it. I'd like to have as many facts as I can understand before I approach him w/ it.



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what do the adrenastim and the calm contain?

could you write the ingredients down for us?


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what do the adrenastim and the calm contain? could you write the ingredients down for us?


Lola, you can go to this website and click on the products. The Calm shows the ingred but the Stim does not. Weird. Will try to get more info tomorrow. I HAVE to get in bed, my window to get in it before my 2nd round of adrenal action kicks in is fast approaching.   Nighty night.  




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thanks IB!
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Well, wanted to go to bed but started reading the A/F book and had to get on and tell about what I read (Victoria, wherrrrrrre are you???? )

EATING - for the person who gets up around 6AM or so.

BREAKFAST - ALWAYS eat breakfast by 10 AM - between cortisol being at it's highest around 8 AM and the low liver function that goes hand in hand w/ A/F, you may not feel hungry. You may even feel an aversion to food. Eat anyway. Always include protein. It's very important.
LUNCH - before noon. Pref by 11:30.
SNACK - a nutritious snack between 2 and 3PM to avoid the 3-5PM slump.
SUPPER - no later than 6 PM
BEFORE BED - have a couple bites of a high quality snack, protein, nuts. This helps to keep your glycogen reserves up so you are not awakened in the early hours of the morning (1-3). If your B/S drops really low, it may wake you.
BEDTIME - no later than 10:30. If you're up much past this, your adrenals get to do a 2nd shift. NOT GOOD.

These things are a must to repair adrenals: Eat protein, good carbs and fat together. They all digest at different rates. Thus you are getting energy from each for hours, thus keeping your B/S at an even keel. Eat small meals/snacks frequently. Good healthy food. No junk. Keeping your blood sugar at an even level is very important. Can't stress this enough. If you don't, it taxes your adrenals because it has to produce more cotisol to even out your B/S.

SALT - salt craving is a common symptom in all stages of A/F. If you do not have high B/P, use sea salt. It is good for A/F. It also helps restore some functions related to sodium loss within the cells. Some symptoms of A/F are caused by your body's need for salt. Mix your sea salt half and half w/ kelp (if agreeable w/ your BT)

Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings)

PROTEIN: good quality protein is essential to A/F recovery. They are easier to digest when eaten raw or lightly cooked. (unless it's poultry or for anyone who is still eating pork - GAK - then this should be fully cooked). Raw or lightly cooked eggs are easily digested as well. (Disclaimer: Eat raw eggs at your own risk). If you have trouble digesting protein, try some bromelain or digestive aid
(minus avoids )

SUGARY/STARCHY FOODS: These will rapidly raise your B/S only for it to drop to a low about an hour later. This is really hard on your system. It is necessary to keep your B/S as steady/stable/even as possible. Eating refined grains creates nutritional bankruptcy. Your body has to either rob nutrients from itself or get them from a dif food source in order to metabolize energy from refined grain/foods. Nutrient deficiencies lead to impaired physiological function. This leads to the structural and pathological changes we know as chronic illness.

Lesson over. . To be cont'd at a later date.
NOW I must get in bed. Don't want to do a 2nd shift.  
Nighty nite all!!    



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thanks! IB!


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Thought I'd post the Adrenal Recovery Soup recipe:

16 oz green beans
1 C chopped celery
1 zucchini sliced
1 med onion, chopped
1 C tomato juice
1 C. clean water
2 T raw honey
1 t. paprika
1 C chicken broth
pepper to taste
Combine ingred, simmer for 1 hour or until veggies are tender.

Substitute for your blood type.


More from the book: eat at least 3 brightly colored veggies w/ noon and evening meals. Using different techniques allows different nutrients to be avail.  Example: Vit C and folic acid don't survive heat.  Some other vit and mins (such as the carotenoids - Vit A related substances) become more available if cooked.
Seaweed and compliant sprouts - way up on the good food chart for AF.
Eat organic when possible and always wash produce w/ either a veg wash or the bleach water concoction on this site somewhere. Sorry don't have that info.





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I woke up this morning thinking about this thread on Adrenal Fatigue!  So I'm glad to find that you have revved it back up again, Italy!    Isn't that a good book???  I love it, and it is so user friendly and easy to understand.  I have lent out the copy that I checked out from the library, and find myself spotting signs of adrenal fatigue everywhere I look.  It gives me something else to speculate on besides what people's blood types are!

I'm noticing a few signs that I'm getting back on my feet again.  Little signs, like my eyes actually opened this morning, feeling bright and somewhat clear.  I still have an energy slump in the middle of the afternoon, but it's not quite as bad as it used to be.  Also my hair has stopped falling out.  YAY!

My biggest problem is that I cannot fall asleep at 10 pm or even 10:30 pm.  I am trying to stay up until 10:45 pm and that helps a little because I find that I am asleep within 10 minutes instead of lying in bed for 1/2 hour and getting frustrated.  But I'm staying in bed long enough in the morning until my body naturally starts waking me up, which is between 8 and 9:30 am.  So I get a minimum of 9 hours in bed and often 10 on the weekend.  Just getting enough down time has been profound!



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I woke up this morning thinking about this thread on Adrenal Fatigue!  So I'm glad to find that you have revved it back up again, Italy!    Isn't that a good book???  I love it, and it is so user friendly and easy to understand.  I have lent out the copy that I checked out from the library, and find myself spotting signs of adrenal fatigue everywhere I look.


Yes, it's a great book and I'm not even all the way thru it. Reading too many books at once. .         And yes, once you are aware of AF, you can see it everywhere.
And since we know the drs aren't going to help them, then it's our duty right?  

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I'm noticing a few signs that I'm getting back on my feet again.  Little signs, like my eyes actually opened this morning, feeling bright and somewhat clear.  I still have an energy slump in the middle of the afternoon, but it's not quite as bad as it used to be.  Also my hair has stopped falling out.  YAY!


Well I have to say I'm happy you are making some progress but I'm jealous my hair is still falling out.    I know it will get better w/ time. Maybe when I get my DHEA, which I hope is tomorrow, that will resolve.

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My biggest problem is that I cannot fall asleep at 10 pm or even 10:30 pm.  I am trying to stay up until 10:45 pm and that helps a little because I find that I am asleep within 10 minutes instead of lying in bed for 1/2 hour and getting frustrated.  But I'm staying in bed long enough in the morning until my body naturally starts waking me up, which is between 8 and 9:30 am.  So I get a minimum of 9 hours in bed and often 10 on the weekend.  Just getting enough down time has been profound!  


Are you taking magnesium at night? If you can get to bed before 11, you might be ok. Then again, maybe you need to be getting to bed before 10. If you're feeling too wide awake, you might already be in your 2nd shift phase.       You might have to toy around w/ the timeframe a bit, as it seems you already are.    It's a lot to figure out, even w/ some help. If you continue having trouble getting to sleep, I can give you the name of the homeopathic stuff my NP gave me for that.




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I was looking around this morning for foods to avoid when in adrenal exhaustion. In adrenal fatigue, I see foods high in potassium should be avoided. I'm told in my case, this doesn't apply.         Yet in some info, I read to eat potassium rich foods, but avoid foods high in sodium.   I ran across some info on adrenals, just thought I'd post. I really urge anyone who even suspects adrenal problems to get tested and address the issue. It really is nothing to play around with.  


This is a page of articles re: adrenals

So much conflicting info.          Must get a really and truly good explanation from my NP re: foods for each stage.  My big medical book produced no info on this at all.  




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thanks for the heads up IB!


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Italy,
I like the way you explained it once, that first you need to wake up the adrenals and give them a boost, and then you need to calm them down and give them a rest so they don't overwork.  I've been trying to work with that principle in my own program.
First I took DHEA in a very small amount, 4 or 5 days a week, or so.
Adrenal extract
siberian ginseng
extra B complex
ashwaghanda
panthethine

All these in the am only.  And I made a point of spending a minumum of 9 hours in bed every night.  Usually 9 1/2 to 10 hours, and getting in bed no later than 10:45 pm.  After a couple of weeks, I stopped the DHEA, and picked up Pregnenelone,
Holy Basil at noon and evening
GABA in the pm
Bupleurum and Dandelion root to support my liver.

I continue to sleep 9 to 10 hours a night.  Hair loss is still stopped.  Afternoon fatigue is still there, but still less than it used to be.  I am sleeping better than before.  Dealing now with the blues.  (Maybe a kickback from stopping the DHEA).



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Oh, and I am also continuing to bounce on my Rebounder!  
And drinking a lot of water.
And really trying to stop thoughts that lead to anxiety or worry, before they get that far!



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Italy, I like the way you explained it once, that first you need to wake up the adrenals and give them a boost, and then you need to calm them down and give them a rest so they don't overwork.


Yes, at first I was    when he said he wanted me to stop the AdrenalStim. But when he explained (if I may make my own analogy here) he was just giving them 'a kick in the pants' since they'd really been sleepin' on the job and now that hopefully they're back to light duty, he doesn't want to overwork them and put them on permanent workmen's comp. .    Then it made sense and I was good w/ stopping the AdrenaStim.  One less thing to take or deal with!! Yea!!!!!

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After a couple of weeks, I stopped the DHEA, and picked up Pregnenelone


He did the opposite w/ me.  I was doing 10 drops of Pregnenelone - 3 times a day - morning, mid day and bedtime.   One bottle. Now he has me on DHEA - one half dropper full 2 times a day. Once in the morning and once around noon or so.  Can't say that is what you need to be doing, tho.  Wish you'd had some saliva testing done too. However, you seem to be really in tune w/ what you take and how it's helping, so maybe you are doing it the right way, I don't know.  I know Pregnenelone is a precursor to progesterone, but not sure where the DHEA comes in, tho I can tell you by Monday, I will.  I plan to have my nose in my big medical book a good part of this weekend. I want to KNOW how these things work and not just rely on someone else to tell me. Been burned too many times going that route, tho I do have to say this NP has always been honest. If he doesn't know or isn't sure, he always says so, as far as I know. .

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Afternoon fatigue is still there, but still less than it used to be.  I am sleeping better than before.  Dealing now with the blues.  (Maybe a kickback from stopping the DHEA).


Weren't you taking the Progest E before?  How much of the Pregnenelone did you take before switching to DHEA? My NP did tell me I'd go thru some dif things while my adrenals repaired. He of course being the smart guy he is, did not say what. Nothing like the power of suggestion, eh?


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Oh, and I am also continuing to bounce on my Rebounder!  
And drinking a lot of water.
And really trying to stop thoughts that lead to anxiety or worry, before they get that far!


Will be setting up my Rebounder tomorrow and will prob read my big med book while bouncing. Yeah, right.            I, too, am drinking lots of water, getting my 9+ hours of sleep. I have never been so sure of having the proper amount of sleep at night as I am now. Nor did I know. As they say, knowledge is power    and never have I believed that to be more true than since coming to learn about BTD and all the wonders I've learned since. Did that make sense? Too tired, should be in bed.         Re: anxiety, I am really trying to do the same - I have pretty much made up my mind that I'm not going to stress over things that really aren't worth stressing over. I can very easily do that and have done plenty of that in the past. I know I can't afford to do that anymore. This is one of the reasons I decided to do the antib's, as much as I have fought it over the past week and a half. I felt that being in a constant state of half to full fledged bronchitis and sinus infections, was prob putting more stress on my system than just taking the dang things and cleaning up after.

Found this info on DHEA while tooling around the 'net today.




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Well, it looks like I'm going to have to start reading these threads after my new doc just diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue.  

I'm now on progesterone creme and back to following the BTD closely and will be starting back working out slowly.  What is the next thing I should start.  I often take naps on the couch in the evening before actually going to bed, but I would bet that's not very good for me is it?  


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Well, it looks like I'm going to have to start reading these threads after my new doc just diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue. �
I'm now on progesterone creme and back to following the BTD closely and will be starting back working out slowly. �What is the next thing I should start. �I often take naps on the couch in the evening before actually going to bed, but I would bet that's not very good for me is it? �


Sorry to hear this, Missy.
And no, �naps in the evening are not a good thing. � � The best thing you can do for rest is be in bed by 9:30 or abouts. Make sure you are taking plenty of Vit C also.
Have a look at these books also, especially the adrenal one. I want to post some more info out of that when I get the chance. �

Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L Wilson


Lights Out: �Sleep, Sugar and Survival by T. S. Wiley

Sleeping in a totally dark room is really helpful.


Also important, drinking enough water. A good book is Your Bodies Many Cries for Water by �Fereydoon Batmanghelidj






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We are usually in bed by 11pm - so 9:30 will be an adjustment.  Maybe I can shoot for 10pm to start with and then slowly get used to 9:30.  I'm definately tired by then but am usually zonked out on the couch and then wake up just long enough to get ready for bed and go to bed, but then I find sometimes it's hard to fall back to sleep.  Is that my body trying to rev up for it's second wind like I've been reading about?  
Also, my bedroom is never completely dark - what's the best thing to do about this?

One thing I have in my favor is I'm really good about drinking water - I could maybe increase it some, but I do have that habit down well.  


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We are usually in bed by 11pm - so 9:30 will be an adjustment. Maybe I can shoot for 10pm to start with and then slowly get used to 9:30. I'm definately tired by then but am usually zonked out on the couch and then wake up just long enough to get ready for bed and go to bed, but then I find sometimes it's hard to fall back to sleep. Is that my body trying to rev up for it's second wind like I've been reading about?
Also, my bedroom is never completely dark - what's the best thing to do about this?
One thing I have in my favor is I'm really good about drinking water - I could maybe increase it some, but I do have that habit down well.


Once you're up to 11 or around then, yes, your adrenals are kicking in for the 2nd time that day. It is extremely bad for that to happen. It's like they're doing 2 days work in one. I know I was guilty, guilty, guilty of this and I was getting up at 4AM  
Not anymore. I'm in bed no later than 9 and sleep til 6 now.  
I bought some black material (make sure you can't see thru it) and put it on my windows behind my curtains ( from the street all you see is black). I took all clocks and anything else out of my room that emits light. The Lights Out book explains all this and more and is a very good book. Thanks once again to John (resting)
Don't overdo the water Missy, as FWIU you can drink too much and mess up your electrolytes.  
Hope things will turn around for you quickly. We want you to be full of energy for the new baby  




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Thanks - that's what my new doc said too - she wants me to be able to have energy for our new baby as well and knows I won't be able to the way I'm doing right now.  

What about if I can't get the black material for our windows right away - would anything else help?  

Oh and your link to Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L Wilson
didn't work for some reason.  


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I went to a naturalpath and had my brain chemistry tested and all my hormones.   Wow... what we found was amazing in deficiencies.  She started me on some great supplements and got me all normalized


funkymuse, can you tell me what tests the ND had you take to test your hormones?


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Well, wanted to go to bed but started reading the A/F book and had to get on and tell about what I read (Victoria, wherrrrrrre are you????   )

EATING - for the person who gets up around 6AM or so.

BREAKFAST - ALWAYS eat breakfast by 10 AM - between cortisol being at it's highest around 8 AM and the low liver function that goes hand in hand w/  A/F, you may not feel hungry. You may even feel an aversion to food. Eat anyway. Always include protein. It's very important.
LUNCH - before noon. Pref by 11:30.
SNACK - a nutritious snack between 2 and 3PM to avoid the 3-5PM slump.
SUPPER - no later than 6 PM
BEFORE BED - have a couple bites of a high quality snack, protein, nuts. This helps to keep your glycogen reserves up so you are not awakened in the early hours of the morning (1-3). If your B/S drops really low, it may wake you.
BEDTIME - no later than 10:30.  If you're up much past this, your adrenals get to do a 2nd shift. NOT GOOD.

These things are a must to repair adrenals: Eat protein, good carbs and fat together. They all digest at different rates. Thus you are getting energy from each for hours, thus keeping your B/S at an even keel. Eat small meals/snacks frequently. Good healthy food. No junk. Keeping your blood sugar at an even level is very important. Can't stress this enough. If you don't, it taxes your adrenals because it has to produce more cotisol to even out your B/S.  

SALT - salt craving is a common symptom in all stages of A/F.  If you do not have high B/P, use sea salt. It is good for A/F.  It also helps restore some functions related to sodium loss within the cells. Some symptoms of A/F are caused by  your body's need for salt. Mix your sea salt half and half w/ kelp (if agreeable w/ your BT)

Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings)

PROTEIN: good quality protein is essential to A/F recovery.  They are easier to digest when eaten raw or lightly cooked. (unless it's poultry or for anyone who is still eating pork - GAK - then this should be fully cooked). Raw or lightly cooked eggs are easily digested as well. (Disclaimer: Eat raw eggs at your own risk). If you have trouble digesting protein, try some bromelain or digestive aid
(minus avoids )

SUGARY/STARCHY FOODS: These will rapidly raise your B/S only for it to drop to a low about an hour later. This is really hard on your system. It is necessary to keep your B/S as steady/stable/even as possible.  Eating refined grains creates nutritional bankruptcy. Your body has to either rob nutrients from itself or get them from a dif food source in order to metabolize energy from refined grain/foods. Nutrient deficiencies lead to impaired physiological function. This leads to the structural and pathological changes we know as chronic illness.



Pat, what book is this info from?


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I've started taking three Adrenal Assist v-caps (by Vitanica) each evening before bed. The bottle doesn't say when to take them and I already am taking quite a few other supps in the morning. I'm going to use up the bottle (one-month's worth) and see if I feel any difference.

*Each vegetarian suitable capsule includes: Vitamin C (as calcium ascorbate), Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxal-5-phosphate), Vitamin B5 (as calcium pantothenate), Magnesium (citrate, malate), Zinc (as picolinate), Rhodiola rosea extract ( 3% rosavins, 1% salidroside), Astragalus root, Maca, Ashwagandha extract (3.5% withanolides), Holy basil leaf extract (2.5% ursolic acid), Panax Ginseng extract (10% ginsenosides), Schizandra berry, Siberian Ginseng (20:1)  


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You're in good hands over here on this thread!    Italy has awakened several of us to our adrenal issues and I'm personally glad that she did!

You could hang anything dark over your window to make it dark at night, even if it's a temporary fix until you are able to work out a system you like.

The book Adrenal Fatigue is a must if you want to really educate yourself about your adrenals.  You can also follow the recommendations in Dr. D's book on Fatigue.



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Pat, what book is this info from?


Drea, all that info I posted is from the A/F: 21st century stress syndrome
BTW, Missy, I fixed the link for this book.   Thanks for letting me know it wasnt working.
Drea, that supp your on looks absolutely wonderful. May get some of that myself. There is some formula you can buy from the A/F book website, but haven't gotten that far. The thing that impressed me most about this supp (Adrenal Assist v-caps by Vitanica) is that the first ingred is Vit C. That is THE most important thing to take w/ A/F.  Just read that in the book.   Taking at least one at night is a good thing Drea, as night time is when our bodies do its repair work.  



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Where is a good place to get Vitamin C that doesn't contain avoids?


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Drea,
That does look like a good formula, and I'm taking all of those ingredients in various forms.  If you have any insomnia, it could be from the rhodiola and ginseng;  but your formula is well balanced, with holy basil, ashwaghanda and schizandra, which should be relaxing.  I love those herbs you are taking and they have helped me a lot!
And the vitamin C is something that I'm noticing a higher need for than I used to have.  I'm currently taking a minimum of 1,600 mg, and sometimes 1,800 mg/day, spread out between 3 meals.



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I like Complex C by Mega-foods.  It may have avoids for type A (bell pepper).  This is my favorite.
There is also Tru-C BioComplex by Now company.

You can Google them both and compare ingredients.



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What's your opinion on taking just one month's supply? I mean, will I see any kind of improvement in only one month?

I'm not even sure if my adrenals are fatigued, except I have been under a bit of stress (well for a lot of 2006, anyway - it's much better in 2007), and I did gain 20 pounds in a couple of months. But other than that, I feel pretty good; though it's hard to know what's what since I have been supplementing and doing a bit more calming exercise than I did for most of last year. I guess having some tests done is a good step. At least I'll have something to benchmark against.


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What's your opinion on taking just one month's supply? I mean, will I see any kind of improvement in only one month?
I'm not even sure if my adrenals are fatigued, except I have been under a bit of stress (well for a lot of 2006, anyway - it's much better in 2007), and I did gain 20 pounds in a couple of months. But other than that, I feel pretty good; though it's hard to know what's what since I have been supplementing and doing a bit more calming exercise than I did for most of last year. I guess having some tests done is a good step. At least I'll have something to benchmark against.


One mth supply certainly won't hurt you. However if you really have adrenal issues, I doubt it'd do the job, so to speak.
Also, one thing to bear in mind, blood tests don't give you the truest results. For adrenals, saliva testing is much more accurate and much more expensive, as in ins doesn't pay for it. What's new eh?
Do you have an at-home blood pressure taker? If you do, you can take your blood pressure before you get out of bed, as in - have it on the table next to the bed so you aren't rousing yourself at all. Take it lying down, then stand up and re-take it. If your BP drops, that's a good indication you may have some A/F issues. If it doesn't, I still wouldn't discount not having issues. These days, w/ all of us doing much more than we really have time for , wouldn't be surprised if most people have A/F to some degree.

I use Pure Radiance. Janet found this some time ago. It does have black pepper as the last ingredient, but ............

Victoria, your increased need for Vit C is yet another indication of A/F. I just read the other day that Vit C is the most important supp needed for repairing the adrenals.



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Quote: Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings)

Oh this is so hard for me to see - I really can't eat bananas - aren't they a beneficial food for us O's?  I have a banana nearly every morning with some nuts.  And I don't notice shakiness after eating this.  Can I keep eating my bananas combined with almonds or walnuts?


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Quote: Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings) Oh this is so hard for me to see - I really can't eat bananas - aren't they a beneficial food for us O's?  I have a banana nearly every morning with some nuts.  And I don't notice shakiness after eating this.  Can I keep eating my bananas combined with almonds or walnuts?


I would really love to know the answer to this too. I had continued to eat bananas bcz my NP told me that didn't really apply to me as my adrenals were so toasted anyway. But I've had to give up all fruit because of candida. I think I'll try to email Dr Lam again and see what he has to  say.



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Yes, please let me know what you find out since I love bananas and many other fruits.  I mainly eat beneficial fruits only though.  


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well, bad news, his ask dr lam section is closed down due to an overwhelming amount of questions. ...



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Lisalea just posted this on another thread in re: to adrenal info. It looks very good for adrenal healing and is listed in one or both books I'm reading on the subject. �
I just wanted to add, in doing some further reading at some other sites, there are some cautions about the licorice root causing heart palpitations, etc. So if you choose to use it, proceed w/ caution and pay strict attn for anything unusual.  




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Drea,
That does look like a good formula, and I'm taking all of those ingredients in various forms.  If you have any insomnia, it could be from the rhodiola and ginseng;  but your formula is well balanced, with holy basil, ashwaghanda and schizandra, which should be relaxing.  I love those herbs you are taking and they have helped me a lot!
And the vitamin C is something that I'm noticing a higher need for than I used to have.  I'm currently taking a minimum of 1,600 mg, and sometimes 1,800 mg/day, spread out between 3 meals.


Hi Victoria,
I was wondering if u were taking Schizandra for liver maintenance
as well and where did u learn that it was B friendly ??

I came across this article and was wondering what the consensus
of my fellow BTD's is ...

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The more I read about AF, the more I think maybe that's part of my problem.  I definitely doze off in the evenings (fall asleep on the sectional) and then wake up at 11:30 or so raring to go.  I've always attributed my exhaustion to my thyroid problems (don't have one anymore, had it out in 1996 - tiny thyroid cancer from Xray treatment to my tonsils as a baby).
I drink a glass of grapefruit juice every morning.  I just seem to crave it.  Should I stop that?
I do need protein for breakfast.  I usually have eggs scrambled in ghee and then I put a little nutritional yeast on top.  I have a sliver of carrot and raisin manna bread with fresh almond butter and a drop of cranberry pepper preserves.  Keeps me going all morning.  At work I have some green tea with pomegranite or something like that.  It's 4 o'clock.  I had a salad for lunch with a small scoop of tuna and an O Bar for a snack.  I have pilates tonight.  Last week's class was a touch one and totally depleted me.
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Pat,The more I read about AF, the more I think maybe that's part of my problem. I definitely doze off in the evenings (fall asleep on the sectional) and then wake up at 11:30 or so raring to go. I've always attributed my exhaustion to my thyroid problems (don't have one anymore, had it out in 1996 - tiny thyroid cancer from Xray treatment to my tonsils as a baby).
I drink a glass of grapefruit juice every morning. I just seem to crave it. Should I stop that?
I do need protein for breakfast. I usually have eggs scrambled in ghee and then I put a little nutritional yeast on top. I have a sliver of carrot and raisin manna bread with fresh almond butter and a drop of cranberry pepper preserves. Keeps me going all morning. At work I have some green tea with pomegranite or something like that. It's 4 o'clock. I had a salad for lunch with a small scoop of tuna and an O Bar for a snack. I have pilates tonight. Last week's class was a touch one and totally depleted me.Jane


Jane, you very well could have A/F........have you looked at all the symptoms on Dr Lams site............www.drlam.com.........scroll to adrenal fatigue link and look at symptoms..........I had 27 of 29.     This does not only include what you are dealing w/ now, but also in the past............as it all adds up, it all counts.  
I would suggest at least having blood tests done. Saliva is much better, but if you cant afford that, then do the blood tests.  What time do you normally get up in the morning?
I dont know on the g/f juice Jane. I crave it too, but it gives me indigestion. My suggestion would be to stop it for a week and see if you feel any differently and then take it from there.
That really is not much protein for breakfast. You might want to add a bit of meat. You also might want to make that a bigger scoop of tuna for lunch. O's really need the protein. What time are you eating that Unibar?  I know they're supposed to be pretty much protein, but my body tends to treat it more like carbs.  
On your pilates..........what does a touch one mean............if it is making you THAT tired, you might wanna back off a bit.
I just cant stress enough for everyone to at least have their adrenals tested. Either my failing adrenals caused my failing heart or vice versa..........either way, it can kill ya and is nothing to play around with. It absolutely infuriates me that this DISEASE is so ignored by the med profession!!  
After you answer my quieries, I'll see what other info I can help you with  



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I meant to say tough, not touch!  Got a class tonight and I'm already prepared to tell the instructor that I'm going to do what I can and not push myself so hard.  There's a lot of 20 and 30 somethings in that class and this 62 year old can only TRY to keep up.  It's not worth feeling so depleted.  
I'll look at Dr. Lam's site.  I know my endocrinologist who is also a Ph'D in Chemistry thinks that AF is over diagnosed but I haven't specifically discussed it with him.  I have an appointment in a month or 2 and I'll do it then.
Thanks for your help!  That puppy is just so cute.  I do miss having a dog but I'm never home and training a puppy would be so hard at this stage.
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II know my endocrinologist who is also a Ph'D in Chemistry thinks that AF is over diagnosed


I would certainly have to disagree w/ him on that one.     I think it's not given enough attention. Anyone who has hypoglycemia and thyroid probs, not to mention prob a whole bunch of other connected things, has some adrenal issues. Poorly functioning thyroid, blood sugar issue, etc are symptoms of adrenal probs.  
Couple of things you didnt touch on.......dont know if you didnt want to or just missed them...........what time do you get up in the morning and what time do you eat the snack bar.  



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I have to get up at 6 and I don't have any trouble waking up, just actually getting up.  I like to take my time in the morning.  I have colitis too so having time in the morning is helpful.
I don't always have a Unibar.  I had it today about 2:30.  My problem is when I get home, staying away from the Pamela's rice cookies, etc.  I usually have a handful of nuts.  
Have to leave for the Pilates class I had a burger and some veggies for supper.  
Thanks for your help.  I need to do some research!
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I have to get up at 6 and I don't have any trouble waking up, just actually getting up.


wouldnt be surprised if your morning adrenal readings were low. Not a bit surprised.  



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Hey Italy,
I think that the author of the Adrenal Fatigue book also has a website.  Could you remind me what his name is?



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MoDon - I was curious about your comments. I have several mercury fillings that I want to eventually replace, but it's a matter of cost (i.e., I'm broke) and no dental insurance at the moment. Believe me, I don't like having these in my mouth! I've also stopped getting the flu shot as it's high in mercury.

So what you're saying is I should take a anti-candida supplement to help with this? Does NAP sell one, I don't recall seeing one. If not, can you recommend a good one and how much to take? Is there anything else I should be doing to offset this?

To anyone:
I too am struggling with tiredness/sluggishness during the day, I never feel full of energy and also achey (joints & muscles). I know I'm not following the BTD to the letter, but trying my best (giving up wheat has been very helpful with intestinal issues!) + drinking a lot of water during the day, I exercise and get about 7-8 hours sleep. My Mom is an O and has been on thyroid meds for 25+ years, and I read that O's are prone to thyroid problems, but have not gotten around to being tested (no health insurance either). Do you think there's a connection? I'm not dropping over with exhaustion, I would just like to have more pep and energy.

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I know it's tough without insurance but it sure sounds like thyroid issues and yes they do run in families.  Is there some kind of clinic that you might be able to go to that isn't too expensive?  Just getting the right amount of thyroid hormone could make all the difference in the world.  Are you cold all the time?  Is your hair thinning and how about the outer parts of your eyebrows - that's usually a sign of hypothyroidism.  Google Mary Shomon's  site at About.com.  There's a wealth of information there about thyroid issues.
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Jane - Yes, I keep meaning to have it tested, the next time I get a job with insurance it will be one of the first things I do. I would like to avoid having to take drugs too.

To answer your questions: No, I'm generally hot/warm most of the time (unless it's freezing, 20-degrees and below) and usually sweating/perspiring - summers in Chicago are dreadful for me, any and all parts of me that can sweat does (yuck)!; thick head of hair and eyebrows are fine.

I will check out Mary Shomon's information, thanks!
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MoDon - I was curious about your comments. I have several mercury fillings that I want to eventually replace, but it's a matter of cost (i.e., I'm broke) and no dental insurance at the moment. Believe me, I don't like having these in my mouth! I've also stopped getting the flu shot as it's high in mercury.

So what you're saying is I should take a anti-candida supplement to help with this? Does NAP sell one, I don't recall seeing one. If not, can you recommend a good one and how much to take? Is there anything else I should be doing to offset this?

...I'm not dropping over with exhaustion, I would just like to have more pep and energy.

You mis-understood what I wrote. I was trying to indicate that you should not treat (ie. try to kill) candida if you have mercury fillings or suspect some other source of mercury toxicity. However, if you have candida problems I recommend that you eat an appropriate anti-candida diet to minimize it.

Your fatigue could be related to the mercury and/or candida.


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Hey Italy,I think that the author of the Adrenal Fatigue book also has a website.  Could you remind me what his name is?


Yes, I think he does.........I think he sells some of his supplements there..........but let me look for his name............by James L. Wilson
Ahhhhhhhh, after reading the rest of the posts, I see Lola linked you up to a book site....
Victoria, just curious, did you check the book from the library?  
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got that link from you IB!


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Italy, could you please tell me how have you known you had mercury in your body?
Did you have a blood test or other ?

Thanks a lot.
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Italy, could you please tell me how have you known you had mercury in your body?Did you have a blood test or other ?Thanks a lot.


Daniela, firstly, if I havent welcomed you to BTD and the forum..........warm welcome  
I think MoDon is the one that needs to answer this question.    He is the one that told me I needed to get my fillings out. Still workin' on that    I know there are tests for metal toxicity but if I recall correctly, there are certain ways that needs to be done as well. Hopefully, he'll come on and give us some more info. Sorry I was of no help really.......  



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I have been tested for metal toxicity and I believe it was saliva, done by a naturopath. might have been urine...I did both for a series of tests. sent off to great smoky labs.
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Yes, Italy, I checked out the Adrenal Fatigue book from my library.  I don't own a copy of the book.

But I am so happy that I read it.  It should be a Must Read, after Dr. D's books!



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Merci Italy, it's about 4 weeks I am on the Forum, I began my ABO 6 weeks ago.


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I read the The 21st Century Stress Syndrome book by James L Wilson over 4 years ago.

It is the source that started me down the path of investigating the cause of my adrenal fatigue, since following the standard lifestyle and supplementation measures that were recommended didn't have any impact. Read Chapter 19. Trouble-shooting: What to Do If You Still Need Help.

This was is what lead me to suspect mercury toxicity as being the source of my problems.

None of the normal methods of testing such as hair analysis, blood, urine, stool, etc., are reliable for testing for mercury. In the case of hair, urine, or stool testing that only tests for the amount of mercury excreted. It doesn't tell you how much is in your body and where it is impacting your organs and glands. In the case of blood, the mercury doesn't remain in the blood so testing it is pretty worthless in much the same way as the other methods.

The hair analysis I had done did indicate some mercury, but the results were not outside the reference range so I initially dismissed it, but did not forget about it.

Much later I had a sophisticated (and expensive) blood and urine analysis done, which tested for about 150 parameters. The results were analyzed by a computer program. It showed many problems. I believe the worst deviation was caused by the second worst problem, which was a blockage at the entry point to the citric acid cycle in the mitochondria. I don't have the test results handy, but if I remember correctly it was about 300% low outside the normal range. The indicated typical cause of this problem was toxicity caused by petrochemicals, heavy metals (such as mercury), or arsenic. This method of testing was interesting, but I don't think it was precise enough to be helpful nor did the recommended treatment protocol solve the problem.

I selected to use the FCT approach developed by Dr. Yurkovsky. I can not say for sure if this treatment process is going to cure me or not, but it is what I am using. I was impressed with the doctor's approach so I am giving it a try. The unique type of bio-resonance testing that he developed can precisely tell me where the mercury is impacting my glands and organs and how to properly treat them. For instance, he can determine the order the various identified toxins and organs/glands should be addressed. The testing also identified a few other items that were causing problems, including antibiotic residue, giardia, candida, etc.

If you want you can look at the doctor and his approach that I am using:

Here is another doctor's website that is using it:   The site also has a forum which you can join, read, and ask questions about the FCT approach. Here is another FCT practitioner's website

Here are some articles Dr. Yurkovsky has written:

He has also has written a book, which I have:  Biological, Chemical and Nuclear Warfare Protecting Yourself and Your Loved Ones: The Power of Digital Medicine by Savely Yurkovsky, M.D.


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There was a link to a very interesting site on Mary Shomon's thyroid newsletter today.  It compared, symptom by symptom low adrenals and hypothyroid, a "metabolic scorecard" and came from a Dr. Rind.  It was part of an article about adrenals.  I seem to be having a problem attaching it as a hyperlink.  Looking through the extensive list, most point to hypothyroid for me but there were some that pointed to adrenals like my cholesterol profile, i.e. very high HDL.
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Jane - a very interesting link. Have you read the part on the Temperature Graph.

I found out mine is all over the place - sometimes as low as 95 degrees.
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All these things are symptoms of adrenal problems FWIU. Until the adrenals are repaired, you are only putting a bandaid on the problem.  



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Thank you every so much Don, Pat, Isa and all participants. You got to me at last. Tomorrow I am fixing an appointment with my dentist, who fortunately is an honest fellow. I don't dare to imagine what I am going to go through, but what's left from my amalgam fillings must go.


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Thank you every so much Don, Pat, Isa and all participants. You got to me at last. Tomorrow I am fixing an appointment with my dentist, who fortunately is an honest fellow. I don't dare to imagine what I am going to go through, but what's left from my amalgam fillings must go.


 It's amazing what a little hounding will do huh?          Let us know how you begin to feel after you get them out. Dont know how immediate the effect is but maybe MoDon does. How many do you have to remove.  



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Two for sure (brrrrrr.... trembling with fear!) I have no idea what's beneath them crowns... Many teeth underwent root canal treatments.


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please be sure that the dentist that does this has the proper equipment. I know 2 girls personally who work at dental offices who just use the same suction thingee as when they do normal dental work and they think that's ok.      So I reminded them that when mercury spills are cleaned up, the haz-mat (uh...........that in itself ought to be a hint) guys are in full suit.........



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Well, I tried but didn't make it through reading this entire thread, as it is very long, so if this was already addressed, lo siento!

MoDon et al., you speak of "candida supplements", what are these, specifically? �You refer to probiotics separately, so I'm thinking you mean something else. �Thanks in advance for shedding light.


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I have found a very interesting article that I would like to share and perhaps it can help somebody


Nickel is actually an essential trace mineral and its lack will lead to adrenal insuficiency !!

Also,  people that supplement with Zinc and Vitamin E will further reduce nickel, hence if you have "low adrenals", eat foods "rich" in nickel to maintain the balance: Oatmeal, dried beans and peas, nuts , hot whole grain cereals, oysters and ... DRUM ROLL PLEASE !!
CHOCOLATE !!!

Just a thought ...
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great advice, thanks!


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great advice, thanks!


My pleasure Lola !!


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Lisalea, I got to read about 2/3 of the article. It is really good and thanks so much for posting!! I'm going to print this off and give to my NP. Some days I feel like I have CFS and as it IS connected to the adrenal problem, he can use all the 'help' he can get
One of word of caution tho........... ............on the chocolate...........adrenal sufferers are supposed to avoid caffeine..
 Was the nickel info, as well as the food info in this article? As I said I didn't get thru it all, nor will I be likely to do so for a few days. Thanks GF!!



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Lisalea, I got to read about 2/3 of the article. It is really good and thanks so much for posting!! I'm going to print this off and give to my NP. Some days I feel like I have CFS and as it IS connected to the adrenal problem, he can use all the 'help' he can get
One of word of caution tho........... ............on the chocolate...........adrenal sufferers are supposed to avoid caffeine..
 Was the nickel info, as well as the food info in this article? As I said I didn't get thru it all, nor will I be likely to do so for a few days. Thanks GF!!


U r very welcome GF!!
We're all in this together, to help, guide one another, protect ourselves from disease and to a greater extend to try to UNDO all the bad past food choices that we've made, mostly out of ignorance

Actually, the nickel info, I found in some of my notes; however, I don't really recall where I got it from originally; BUT knowing myself , it's from a reliable source and I did some poking around afterwards and it makes sence  

Be well cara  


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It's amazing what a little hounding will do huh? Let us know how you begin to feel after you get them out. Dont know how immediate the effect is but maybe MoDon does. How many do you have to remove.


I'd like to thank you again Pat for your encouragement - it was vital no doubt. This week my third and last amalgam filling was removed and changed into some acrylic white material which my dentist calls 'composite'. He assured me that all other amalgams under my crowns and bridges had already been replaced by him in the past, so that nothing is left of it right now. When I first came to him to do this work, he tried to tell me that there was no danger to my health with the existing amalgams. Now I can't describe what a wonderful feeling it was to be really released from this stuff in my mouth. The funny thing, at the end of the process (3 sessions) I dared to ask the dentist if I were the only one coming to him with such request. He did admit that I wasn't. I am very very happy I did it.



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You did it, Yael!  Congratulations and here's to your good and constantly improving health!  



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Yael glad that part is over!
eat your pesto!


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Thank you dear Victoria and Lola!

Lola, what do you mean? I've never come across this idiom before...


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the cilantro pesto is said to be very chelating!


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Lola is reminding you that now you can start to get the loose mercury out of your sytem.  It doesn't automatically leave just because the mercury fillings are gone.



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Detox, oh yes, I am well aware of it. This is the long and winding road. Maybe that's why old muscle and back pains awake these days. Time to detox then...


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more adrenal info:

also wanted to mention that on Dr Lam's site, he says to be in bed by 10:00 PM, that between 10 and 1 AM is when the adrenals work the hardest to repair the body. He also mentions sleeping in a completely dark room to maximize melatonin production.  




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Thanks for that new link.  It's very informative, Pat.


I'm glad I was re-researching this.......I've been thinking the 'cut off' time was 10:30  



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What kind of progress is everyone here making?  How long do you think it will take to get better?

My first appt. with the NP was in April, and I "passed" his adrenal fatigue test.  Most of my daytime & evening fatigue is almost gone with help of the BTD and staying low-GI plus supplements & exercise.  But I'm still sluggish in the morning.  But much worse, I now feel jittery sometimes, out-of-the-blue, and I get full-blown panic attacks.  So now I'm taking Isocort as well because the NP says that I need more Cortisol so that my body does not produce as much adrenaline.  Is anyone else experiencing this?

I now realize I've had a problem my whole adult life.  And as I'm starting to recover, I'm also starting to relive symptoms I've had 20 years ago!




My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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tell us what you do for exercise.....
on a regular basis.


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Amazing, adrenal failure is more prevalent than I imagined.  It may be responsible for a lot of the fatigue that people suffer from.  Thanks for all the information.  
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tell us what you do for exercise.....
on a regular basis.
Thanks for asking.  I do a 40 minute work out at the gym 2X or 3X per week.  It's about 15 minutes aerobic, usually on an elliptical trainer, and then weight training on a Nautilis circuit.  The thing is, though, I do this after supper from about 8:30pm to 10:00pm.  Sometimes I get up early to walk off the adrenaline.  Also, we try to be an active family (9yo girl and a dog), so we go on walks and swim recreationally.

Incidentally, I had been taking a statin drug for high cholestrol.  The NP suggested that I stop that drug, and I was amazed how much stronger I was at the gym, even within a week of stopping!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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great you do that amount of exercise!


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Does anyone have any suggestions about Adrenal fatigue?  Live Blood Analysis showed that I have this - have some homeopathic stuff to take but just wondering if there is anything else I can do.

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Hi Sue,
I {and many others here} have the same condition so plenty of good advise is on the way. What I do is get plenty of rest and in the AM I take 25 mg of DHEA. Cutting back on caffeine sugars and eating as may beneficial foods all have helped me to over come adrenal fatigue but for me its something I have to constantly be aware of and take care of myself. ItalyBound is my expert on this so hopefully she will drop in and give is some more help. She is all the time reminding me of things to do and mostly not to do
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follow the advice given in the fatigue book....for starts.
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Italybound has given much advice on this subject and recommended: http://www.drlam.com
to many members on this forum.
I wish you well soon.


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I treat my adrenal, hypothalamus, and other endocrine system problems with energy medicine. The cause of my problems was mercury poisoning.

I suggest you read the Can Homeopathy cure acid reflux thread.


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When the adrenals are exhausted, it is important to get into bed early enough that the adrenals have time to go into their rest mode and rejuvenate themselves.  During the period between 10 pm and 1 am, we need to be asleep, if possible.  In addition to the Dr. Lam website, Dr. D's book on Fatigue, also check out a wonderful book entitled Adrenal Fatigue: A 21st Century Stress Syndrome.

Like Rodney, I take DHEA, but only 5 mg a day.  My bloodwork showed that my level was very low.



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Thanks everyone,
I have already found drlam's website and have ordered the book Fatigue: a 21st century syndrome.  Tried to order Dr. D's Fatigue book today but couldn't as I am in Canada - shall give it another try.

It was quite a shock to find out about the adrenal fatigue, although I have been tired lately.   I have been following BTD since 1999 - go to bed by 9.30 everynight - do all other things possible - y'know, eat right, exercise etc., etc.  Been doing Live Blood Analysis for 3 years - have an Infrared Sauna, Ionic footbath - done all kinds of cleanses etc.  It was good to read though that adrenal stress is cumulative as I have NO sress in my life compared to years ago - so, I guess the damage was already there and it is now just showing up.  It shall be dealt with !!!!!!

I successfully got rid of Candida - Threelac is amazing - did it in 3 months!

Thanks for all the suggestions

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try http://www.aboessentials.com/

also try the secretor test to upgrade your food choices if necessary.


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Sue, have you been eating for your blood type?  



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There is a "sticky" BTD forum thread on adrenal fatigue here:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/m-1167170022/

Lot's of good advice.

Good luck!


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I just noticed that you mentioned following the BTD since '99.  Sorry for asking the obvious!  



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and if DHEA is toooo toughy for ya, so you might give a try to wild yams, a natural DHEA booster (and fatkiller as well )


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Thaks for pointing me to this thread.  I have the books on order and a lot of the stuff I am already doing, however, the biggie for me is sleep.  I am an early to bed early to rise person and have been for years.  Early to bed is between 9 and 10.  However, here's the problem.....I do not sleep well at all.  I have tried so many things and read so many books including Deepak Chopra and I am still left with the problem.  At the moment I am taking Restful Sleep Essentials by Dr. Julian Whittaker (I have been on low dose Trazadone for some time to help with the sleep, but have now stopped this) - I seem to be able to get to sleep most nights, although it takes a while, but I wake EVERY night at 3 - sometimes 1 or 2 and a lot of times cannot get back to sleep.  Even if I sleep well, which for me is say from 10 until 5 I cannot get back to sleep and can NEVER sleep in - I would love to sleep until 9 - but HOW????  In the summer I am up and out walking by 6.30.  I am prepared to take the time to sleep but cannot seem to.  I sleep in a dark room, the bedroom is only used for sleeping - i.e. no t.v. - nothing.  I rarely watch tv - sometimes the news at around 6 pm - I eat dinner by 5.30 - 6 - I take a Sauna to relax in the evening and i read spiritual material.  What else is there?  I am thinking my circadium rythm is off.  Any thoughts on sleep would certainly be appreciated.

Thanks!!!!

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Hi Sue H, my sympathies to you for your Adrenal Fatigue (A/F). I hope yours was caught before it got too bad. You have been given some great advice here so far. I'll add this: Vit C......this is very very important in adrenal recovery. As I recall it is at the top of the 'chain' re: repairing the adrenals.   Do you know how to tell how much C your body needs? If not let us know, someone will help out w/ that. It's simple.  
Next B5, very important as well. I'd look at Dr Lam's site for guidance there (until our very own Dr D gets our Adrenal Fatigue book done   - you are going to write one right Doc?  
I have a thread somewhere on board for people to 'sign up' re: a request for a book specifically on the adrenals. If someone can find it (I've spent quite a bit of time searching for it and nothing......I just don't get why I have such a time w/ this , but...........) would you please post the link. Thanks

Sleep has already been mentioned, but I'm going to mention it again. The proper rest is sooooooooo important in adrenal recovery. When mine was caught, my DHEA and cortisol levels were in the exhaustion stage. It's been a hard road and I'm no where near 'fixed'.    I make sure to get plenty of rest. As Victoria mentions.....in bed and asleep by 10 PM. Very important. If possible, stay in bed until 8 AM (regardless of what time you go to bed, even if it's later than 10PM, which looks like you have a handle on this already if you're in bed by 9:30 ). The reason it's important to try to rest until 8AM is because that is when our cortisol levels for the day are at their highest. (If you have more bloodwork or salivary testing done, 8AM is the best time. Follow up testing should always be done at the same time of day.) If we get up earlier, we are asking our bodies to work harder, as we are not really ready to be on the move (as in our levels aren't up yet). I can tell a real difference when I get up before 8. The days I have to get up at 6, I drag around.    I used to get up at 4AM, plus I've had 7 surgeries and lots of stress associated with them.  I think the surgeries have much to do w/ my A/F.  That is a lot of stress on the body. Also if we stay up past 10PM, our adrenals have to kick in for a 2nd shift, basically cutting the life of our adrenals in half. This was alot of my problem too. I used to work 2 jobs alot.....def not in bed by 10PM  

I know it is recommended that our blood type do lots of exercise, but if you have A/F, be very careful with that. The 21st Century book you ordered has some good info on that. If I were to be doing that right now, it would prob kill me, literally. Failing adrenals can lead to heart failure. Lucky me, I have within the last 9 mths been diagnosed w/ 2 dif problems w/ my heart. Without BTD, I truly believe I'd not be here now.
BTD brings with it lots of knowledge re: our bodies, how they work, what we need to keep out of them. With knowledge comes power.  Power to BTD!!! Yay!!!
Wishing you the best Sue. I'm going to get me some of that 3Lac too I think because I also have Candida issues. Which reminds me I need to make a separate thread on this issue.
Have a great day everyone!!  

Also, have you pre-ordered your new book?    GenoType  
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-rost/m-1193144969/s-new/#num32



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Thanks so much.. yes, I know sleep is one of the answers - the problem for me is staying asleep.  If I am awake but stay in bed until 8 does that do any good, or does one actually have to be asleep??

Please give me the info on the Vitamin C - I usually take Ester C everyday but maybe I need to increase the dosage.  My book will probably take a week or so to get here and I want to get going on all this stuff.  I am taking a Homeopathic remedy given to be by my microscopist as well.  I don't think my case is severe as I don't usually have trouble getting going in the morning but i do have a lot of the symptoms.

Thanks again
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I'm going to get me some of that 3Lac too I think because I also have Candida issues.

I have posted the warning many times about using anti-candida treatments. Candida has the ability to bind to or ingest many toxins including heavy metals such as mercury and lead. If you kill the candida in large amounts by using anti-candida treatments, you will release those toxins and almost assuredly overrun your bodies ability to eliminate them. Therefore, you run the strong risk of increasing the damage to your body and end up with a negative long-term health impact of the anti-candida treatments.

I am willing to bet that the reason you have candida in the first place is because your immune system is compromised because it has been weakened by toxins, probably mercury. I recommend that you start addressing the lowest layer of your problem, not the layers above it. In many case if you address the lowest layer the other layers will correct themselves.


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Thanks so much.. yes, I know sleep is one of the answers - the problem for me is staying asleep. If I am awake but stay in bed until 8 does that do any good, or does one actually have to be asleep??
Please give me the info on the Vitamin C -


do you have blood sugar issues? If your blood sugar drops too low thru the night, it can (and will) wake you. Try eating a bit of protein before bed. Just enough to keep your blood sugar levels up. You could also try a bit of sweet potato w/ ghee, but concentrate on the protein more. And just a small portion.  Also, how do you feel your digestion is?
I have posed this ? to myself the last few mornings......awake before 8, but laid in bed until 8.  My theory , is that if you are at rest, then your adrenals are not having to do much in the way of getting you going. Like a car battery, it doesn't take much to make the radio work, but it takes a lot more to make it start.  
Re: the C, whatever dose you are taking now, up it by 1000 mgs a day until your bowel movements become loose, then back off 1000 mg. That should be what you need. As your adrenals improve, you will prob find you need less.    Hope this helps.






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how is your exercise schedule?
it is of the utmost importance in an Os well being
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rosehips is an excellent C source!


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rosehips is an excellent C source!


do you have a brand name of a good rosehip C.  I have searched & searched and not really finding anything w/ alot of rosehip. It is always a miniscule part of the mix.  



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Sue, I posted re: your waking in the night in the A/F thread you started. Also, when your adrenals get some attention, this may resolve itself as well. Have a look here:
Choose Tests & Panels and then read the info under Adrenal Stress Index. This shows how your cort/DHEA rythms should be, plus some other info  




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tell us what you do for exercise.....
on a regular basis.

I start to get it that exercise is good for fatigue too.
Usually I work on the elliptical 4-5 times a week, and 45 minutes of workout are quite difficult to me.

But, the day before yesterday I had in the evening (19:00) a beef steak + salad + a glass of wine, got home towards 21:00, slept like a log, and the morning after starting at 5:50 I did 60 minutes on the elliptical. It wasn't difficult at all and I felt happy.  




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my brother living in NY brings me bulk Rosehips.
nature s sunshine has caps, too. 560mg pure RH


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I have posed this ? to myself the last few mornings......awake before 8, but laid in bed until 8.  My theory , is that if you are at rest, then your adrenals are not having to do much in the way of getting you going. Like a car battery, it doesn't take much to make the radio work, but it takes a lot more to make it start.  


This is my approach also.  I do my best to lie in bed for 9 hours a night, even if I am not sleeping soundly the entire time.  And when I don't absolutely have to get up early, I'll keep my head on the pillow until 8 or 9 am.  
I have gradually trained my body to not get up for a bladder call.  It has taken some time, but I've learned how to gauge my fluid intake so that I can last the night.  This has helped with my sleep a lot because if I can actually keep my eyes shut for 9 hours, I slip back into sleep more easily.



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Great thread(s) on adrenal fatigue!!

But I do find it a little confusing to have 2 separate threads with the same title. Any way the 2 could be merged?... or a title change to differentiate between them?

Thank you kindly!!


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Hi Sue,

These are great suggestions.  If you get a chance, check out a group concerning adrenals on yahoo groups called "naturalthyroidhormonesADRENALS" where there is a lot of valuable information concerning adrenal fatigue.  There is also a lot of talk about temporarily using hydrocortisone to support your adrenals until they repair themselves.

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Great thread(s) on adrenal fatigue!!

But I do find it a little confusing to have 2 separate threads with the same title. Any way the 2 could be merged?... or a title change to differentiate between them?

Thank you kindly!!

Merged



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Thanks Don!!  


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Been doing Live Blood Analysis for 3 years - have an Infrared Sauna, Ionic footbath - done all kinds of cleanses etc.  It was good to read though that adrenal stress is cumulative as I have NO sress in my life compared to years ago - so, I guess the damage was already there and it is now just showing up.  It shall be dealt with !!!!!!

Sue


I just want to remind us all that too much "cleansing" can weaken the body by eliminating electrolytes and necessary minerals.  Also from a perspective of "Chi" (lifeforce), this type of procedure uses the body's own energy and vitality in order to accomplish the cleanse.  This is fine, and sometimes necessary, but if repeated too often, adrenal drain can be the result.



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yes, each body needs its very individual 'ecosystem'!!
with its healthy 'fauna' and 'flora'!  
[just a figure of speach]


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I just noticed Lola's thread about what my exercise schedule is but I must say i am a little confused now.  I have always read (and agreed) that O's need vigorous exercise and since starting the BTD in 1999 have exercised at least 5 - 6 times a week - power walking/rebounding/weights.  Now I am reading that I should slow down with the exercise - can anyone tell me what "moderate" exercise is?  I have always exercised in the morning and found that worked for me - in the summer - walking by 6.30 am - winter maybe a little later, but now it seems I have to change that because of the adrenal stress - sigh!

I'm thinking from what I've read that i need to stay in bed until 8.30 and exercise less than I have been doing, or at least at a lesser pace and eat before I go to bed (that goes against everything I have ever believed in - yikes).  Am I getting this right?  

Thanks everyone

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any amount and intensity of exercise you do needs to simply feel right!
listen to your body s needs and you ll be fine!
we are all different and need to customize our lifestyle according to our needs and health issues.....age is also important.


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Adrenal fatigue can sometimes require even type O's to rest more and exercise at a moderate level, until recovery has become stable.  But as Lola said, it is an individual matter, and only you know what works best for you.
Generally O's do best on vigorous exercise, yet if the adrenals are truly exhausted, it can be counterproductive to push beyond the point of fatigue.



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... i need to stay in bed until 8:00 AM and exercise less than I have been doing, or at least at a lesser pace and eat before I go to bed


Getting lots of good rest and "listening" to how much exercise you do is good advice........the eating before bed - I only suggested that because of waking up thru the night. Eating a bit of protein or protein w/ a good carb might help. Salmon patties would be a good example. Adrenal fatigue is a tricky little thing............
roller56, thanks for that website.....I'm def going to check it out!!  



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I have just finished reading all 159? posts of this thread (took me 2 sittings to get thru!)

I have spent the last 8yrs going from one practitioner to another (mostly NDs too) trying to find out the cause of my overwhelming fatigue.  Last year I was diagnosed with depression and as a side issue A/F.  I have been treated for the dep. but the A/F hasn't really been addressed and I didn't realise what a big issue it was until I came across this thread!

With some hindsight my problems probably started 9yrs ago with an early miscarriage, surgery to follow then fell pregnant again 2mths later.

Italy - I looked up Dr Lams questions - I too answered yes to 27 out of 29.  I felt like crying but with both frustration and relief when I have read all these symptoms that people have posted.

I have learnt more in the hour that it has taken me to read this thread than the last 8yrs searching for answers    Yes, I'm crying, but I know that today is the first day of me starting to heal my adrenals.

Thank you and hugs to everyone on this thread, I am overwhelmed by how much I am learning with this forum.  How can I truly express my gratitude.


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Last year I was diagnosed with depression and as a side issue A/F.
Italy - I looked up Dr Lams questions - I too answered yes to 27 out of 29.  I felt like crying but with both frustration and relief...I have learnt more in the hour that it has taken me to read this thread than the last 8yrs searching for answers    Yes, I'm crying, but I know that today is the first day of me starting to heal my adrenals.


CazB, dry those happy tears and toddle along w/ the rest of us who have this issue. It is such a big issue these days, that's why I started the thread on asking Dr D to write a book specifically for it. Until then, may I suggest you read a book called "The Cortisol Connection Diet".  There really is no diet per se w/ this book, but it tries to explain what you need to do to keep things in check. It is really a book written more for losing weight, but w/ adrenal issues, it is a big player in healing. The cortisol issue I mean. This book explains alot of stuff. There is another book this guy wrote on cortisol. He mentions it in this book. That is my next book to read.
IMHO, depression is a symptom of adrenals. I can say from personal experience that being really compliant and taking some supps for the adrenals is really important in keeping depression at bay. Be sure to get lots of Vit C......... Victoria has this issue too and is taking over 3000 mg a day. That IS NOT to say that is what you should do, it's just an example of how important it is. I thought I was taking about the same, but turns out I need a better Vit C. So I have that ordered and am anxiously awaiting its arrival. B5 is also important. Lots of sleep. I'll just say it again........asleep by 10.  Body does healing between 10 and 1.  Sleep as close to 8AM as you can. Keep your room dark. And this is something I read somewhere too and I notice it to be true. Keep your bedroom cool. Your body should be cooler when you're sleeping. If I get too hot, it wakes me up. Now I know that could be looked at as just common sense, but even in the winter this happens. We have our heat on 65 in the winter and even then it can happen. All part of adrenal issues. (think hormones too...when your adrenals are out of whack, your hormones will def be as well) As is the thyroid, blood sugar. All symptoms. It's complex to say the least. We will all help you as much as we can. It's so great to have others to bounce things off. It's so frustrating that a doctor, who is supposed to know this stuff, can't or won't help us. Now you know you're on your way to a healthier, better life CazB!!!
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Thanks Italy for the encouragement.  I was a little emotional when I realised the significance of what I was finding out.    

The vitamin C thing is very telling - when I am unwell and taking larger doses of vit c than normal (we're talking 8000mg or more per day) I still do not have overdose symptoms but my bruises and my skin start to heal better.  I'm guessing I need to start taking a lot more than I do at the moment.

I have started looking for the books suggested on the net.  My first thing is to start going to bed at 9:30pm whenever possible and finding curtains to block out the street lights at night and really upping the vit c.  I'm afraid that on weekdays my start time has to be no later than 7am to get the girls off to school, but weekends I can prob stay in bed until 8 (my hubby will love this - he is not a morning person).


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Thanks Italy for the encouragement. I was a little emotional when I realised the significance of what I was finding out.  
The vitamin C thing is very telling - when I am unwell and taking larger doses of vit c than normal (we're talking 8000mg or more per day) I still do not have overdose symptoms but my bruises and my skin start to heal better.  I'm guessing I need to start taking a lot more than I do at the moment.
My first thing.. going to bed at 9:30pm whenever possible... curtains to block out the street lights.... really upping the vit c. ....on weekdays my start time has to be no later than 7am ..... weekends I can prob stay in bed until 8


You're welcome. I hear ya. It's really a long hard road ahead, but at least we (and several others) finally know what's going on. It's the not knowing that makes one so frustrated.
if you have 500 mg Vit C, up it each day by 500 mg until you reach bowel tolerance. then back off 500 mg. if you're not familiar w/ what bowel tolerance means, let us know and someone will explain.  
great, you have a plan!!! you are so far ahead of most people struggling w/ this. they haven't even got a clue what's the matter. keep us posted ok? we'll add anything else we can think of.  



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Thanks again.  As to the bowel tolerance for Vit C yes I understand, that's what I meant when I said overdose symptoms but couldn't think of the term  


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As to the bowel tolerance for Vit C yes I understand, that's what I meant when I said overdose symptoms but couldn't think of the term  


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Hi, I just wanted to get a little more info if that's ok.  I can't remember everything I have read in this thread and I don't have the time at the moment to re-read it yet.  I just read on another thread that Cod Liver Oil (vit A & D) helps heal the adrenals - should I be taking this?  

Just wanted to know the main things that people recommend to do to start the healing process.

I am trying to go to bed at 9:30pm
Taking 1000mg vit c 3 times per day
Mega B complex brekky and lunch
trying to keep my room dark (still need to find darker curtains)
I take a probiotic 2 times per day and spirulina tablets too.

Any advice would be appreciated

ps.  I have ordered 3 books from amazon - adrenal fatigue, cortisol connnection, lights out.  They will take a while to get here from America so I need help in the mean time  


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I just read on another thread that Cod Liver Oil (vit A & D) helps heal the adrenals - should I be taking this?  not sure on this, so I won't comment. I read about the A on the other thread too but have never read it before, so I'm holding off on it right now. A little D prob wouldn't hurt anyone.     Per Dr Lam's site:

A. 500 mg to 3,000 mg of vitamin C with bioflavonoids, lysine, proline, pine bark extract
B. 100 to 200 mg of fat-soluble vitamin C called ascobyl palmitate
C. 900 to 1,500 mg of vitamin B5 (panthothenic acid) as most hormone production in the adrenal gland needs the co-enzyme A, a by-product of Vitamin B5, to be produced.
D. Vitamin E is another important nutrient, which is involved in at least 6 different enzymatic reactions in the adrenal cascade. Take 400 to 800 I.U. of vitamin E daily.
E. Take 10,000 to 25,000 I.U of beta-carotene and other important minerals such as selenium (200 mcg), magnesium (500 mg) as well as important amino acids such as lysine (1-2 gm), proline (500mg - 1gm) and glutamine (1-5 gm) or more in advance cases.
F. DHEA 15-50 mg , pregnenolone 25-50 mg , adrenal glandular, adrenal extracts, licorice root  can be helpful


it is certainly possible to treat yourself for adrenals, but be cautious. It's kinda scary for me, but I know Victoria does so. I would guess she is very careful as she goes. Maybe she'll come on and give you (and me  ) a little guidance. Just remember that anything you read here is just a recommendation, as we aren't drs or the such. So careful as you go.  O's are not recommended to supp w/ Vit E, but in the case of adrenal fatigue, it might be okay. Just one more reason I'm hoping and praying for a Health Series book on the adrenals.

I am trying to go to bed at 9:30pm
Taking 1000mg vit c 3 times per day
Mega B complex brekky and lunch
trying to keep my room dark (still need to find darker curtains)
I take a probiotic 2 times per day and spirulina tablets too.you're def off to a good start. And good for you for being proactive about your health!!





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Thanks so much Italy.  I might just make an appointment with my ND and make sure I'm taking the right stuff.  At least now I can go to her and say "please help me heal my adrenals" and know that I'm specifically targeting the problem  

I will also see if I can get my hubby to get our printer working so I can print off your suggestions and take them with me.

I also must find the time to go to Dr Lams site and read some more.  I seem to be on the computer an awful lot lately, I know I've been on too long when my butt goes numb from sitting on a wooden stool  



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do try following the fatigue book advice, it has so far helped many people I know.
cod liver oil is a frequent neutral in the book for your type so that is also good, and the protocols given are more targeted, to your needs!


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Thanks so much Italy.  I might just make an appointment with my ND and make sure I'm taking the right stuff.  At least now I can go to her and say "please help me heal my adrenals" and know that I'm specifically targeting the problem  
I also must find the time to go to Dr Lams site and read some more. I seem to be on the computer an awful lot lately, I know I've been on too long when my butt goes numb from sitting on a wooden stool


Glad to hear you're going to take some more action.    Doesn't it feel good to finally know what the prob is, instead of always wondering "what's wrong"?  The not knowing is just as annoying as the constant state of tiredness that adrenal fatigue brings. As I've said before........there's fatigue and then there's THIS fatigue". I hope your ND can get you fixed up  w/ the right stuff. Don't forget your morning sea salt water.  
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Lola  - I will make the effort to start re-reading the Fatigue book again tonight.  I'm sure it will help somewhat but I'm past the boundary of mere fatigue.  The feeling that my heart is either gonna jump outta my chest or that my chest is so constricted that I'm gonna have a heart attack.  The panic attacks.  The Jekyll and Hyde effect of weepiness or anger outbursts.  To name a few things other than the almost at times incapacitating weariness.  

I have no doubt that the BTD is going to help me deal with this but it's not the only thing.  I need to make lifestyle changes as well.  And baby those adrenals like nothing else.

ps. Please don't think I am saying that fatigue is in any way "mere", I was just trying to express that I feel it is the forerunner to other symptoms coming along which knock you around even more.

Italy - I'm not sure I know what you mean by the salt and water thing?  Could you explain?  Thanks  


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I got an email from a Dr. Berg, and I watched his video on exercise and took the quiz to identify my hormone imbalance and it turned out to be adrenal..according to him. He starts everyone on the same liver cleansing plan which is pretty much A vegetarian eating and says if you need to, you can add fish and eggs. If you're an A  this is a good plan...not if you're any other BT. It even said I should not do too strenuous of exercise and do yoga and walking.  
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keeping hydrated is important and adding sea salt to your water bottle, is advised...it works like electrolytes, hydrating at a cellular level as well. just a pinch!


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...I'm past the boundary of mere fatigue.  The feeling that my heart is either gonna jump outta my chest or that my chest is so constricted that I'm gonna have a heart attack.  The panic attacks.  The Jekyll and Hyde effect of weepiness or anger outbursts.  To name a few things other than the almost at times incapacitating weariness.
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Has anyone suggested that you take Rhodiola?  It helped me to deal with the same issues you're facing, plus ruminating over such "what if" things as "what if I lose my job?"  "what if the car dies and I need to get a new one?"  My anxiety in the mornings was nearly debilitating, so I sympathize with you.  Things will get better.



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Thanks for both the encouragement and advice SquarePeg, I am going to the HFS tomrw to see if they have any rhodiola.

I have another question (can't help myself can I?)  Last night I was barely able to keep my eyes open by around 8pm.  I stayed up until 9:30pm then went to bed.  But when I was in bed my heart was beating fast and I felt like I had adrenaline in my system.  Is this the 2nd wind people are talking about?  It took me longer to get to sleep because of this (I usually am so tired that I go to sleep in a couple of minutes)

I thought the 2nd kick of the adrenals happened after 10pm, or is it individual for everyone and I should go to bed when I am tired?  This won't be easy - my husband is a night owl and my eldest daughter is now in high school and I'm a light sleeper  

I would really appreciate hearing of other people's experience with this - thanks  


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Last night I was barely able to keep my eyes open by around 8pm.  I stayed up until 9:30pm then went to bed.  But when I was in bed my heart was beating fast and I felt like I had adrenaline in my system.  Is this the 2nd wind people are talking about?  It took me longer to get to sleep because of this (I usually am so tired that I go to sleep in a couple of minutes)
I thought the 2nd kick of the adrenals happened after 10pm, or is it individual for everyone and I should go to bed when I am tired?


Do you always get tired around 8PM or was that just last night? If you always do, then yes, it seems you should try to do what your body is telling you. If it was just last night, then, maybe try to keep track of what other nights are like and adjust to that. It is very likely to be an individual thing (to a degree) about what time your adrenals actually kick in again, so the key is listening to what your body says.
Just a thought..........are you eating starchy things at dinner? That could make you really tired an hour or so after.
IMHO I don't think your heart should be beating so fast you know it, just because your adrenals might happen to be kicking in for a 2nd wind. But that's just my opinion. I don't have that going on that I can discern.  
Re: that being asleep in 2 min - they say if you are falling asleep that fast, you are sleep deprived.  



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I feel sleep deprived but I've felt like that for 8 years!  

I usually am pretty tired by 8:30pm or so, it's just not that easy to go to bed and actually go to sleep at that time because I get woken up by what's happening in the house and I get grumpy and agitated then    I have to work with what I've got tho'  

I had a very small amount of home made compliant fried rice last night (it had lamb and chicken in it) but it was with salad and two lamb steaks at about 7pm.  I always try to make sure there is plenty of protein at dinner because my type O 8yr old has 3am nightmares if she hasn't had enough protein.

Anyway, I'm gonna have to talk to the hubby and see if we can arrange earlier bedtimes - wish me luck  



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Hi Caz:

I almost always feel sleepy after supper, and I almost always fall right asleep once I get into bed.

But I remember one strange night a few weeks ago.  Both my heart and my mind were racing, and I lay awake for three hours that way.  It was bizarre.  But thankfully it happened only once.  My guess is that it was because I Binged on chocolate about an hour before bedtime.  That's "Binged" with a capital "B".

Anyway, good luck with the Rhodiola.  I hope it helps you as much as it helps me!


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Both my heart and my mind were racing, and I lay awake for three hours that way.


this happens to me occassionally, but I have a heart problem where it beats w/o pauses and I always attributed it to that. I'll have to watch and see if I've eaten anything that could attribute to that. Thanks SP!  



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My suggestions for night-time heart racing:  Rescue Remedy; no dessert; check to see if you're allergic to something you're eating.  This can cause your heart to race while your body is trying to metabolize it.  If your pulse is 20 beats/min. faster than usual (take your pulse, resting, before you eat and after you eat and then when you feel it racing), it's an indicator that you're allergic to something.


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It has been suggested by several knowledgeable people on the Forum that the evening meal should be the one where you get your carbs, and especially for you O's, the morning should be the time when you stock up on protein.  Carbs at night can help with sleep.  I'm not referring to fruits and sugars, but rather good carbs such as sweet potatoes, or your favorite grains.



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Hey Drive, I'm glad you brought this up - I wasn't sure if it was my computer or the thread!!  Very hard to read  


Victoria - so maybe I need to add more carbs to the evening meal?  Obviously low GI allowable ones   

The only thing is that I seem to need protein regularly to keep my blood sugar stable (Hypoglycaemia) and stave off the cravings.


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My suggestions for night-time heart racing:  Rescue Remedy; no dessert; check to see if you're allergic to something you're eating.  This can cause your heart to race while your body is trying to metabolize it.  If your pulse is 20 beats/min. faster than usual (take your pulse, resting, before you eat and after you eat and then when you feel it racing), it's an indicator that you're allergic to something.


Thanks for the info Ribbit, I'm pretty sure I have some rescue remedy lying around somewhere  

No dessert??   only kidding  


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Victoria - so maybe I need to add more carbs to the evening meal?  Obviously low GI allowable ones   

The only thing is that I seem to need protein regularly to keep my blood sugar stable (Hypoglycaemia) and stave off the cravings.


Having some carbs in the evening does not mean that you can't eat protein.  I don't advise eating carbs without protein anyway.  My evening meal is usually some kind of fish or turkey with sweet potato.  I eat red meat with assorted green/multi-colored vegetables for my mid-day meal.



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CazB,It has been suggested by several knowledgeable people on the Forum that the evening meal should be the one where you get your carbs, and especially for you O's, the morning should be the time when you stock up on protein.


True, but for some w/ blood sugar issues, a little protein right before bed helps them to sleep thru the night.  



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"I feel sleep deprived but I've felt like that for 8 years!  
I usually am pretty tired by 8:30pm or so,.. if I go to bed early......I get woken up by what's happening in the house and I get grumpy and agitated then  
Anyway, I'm gonna have to talk to the hubby and see if we can arrange earlier bedtimes - wish me luck  "


I really feel for ya! The first year I was married, my husband snored all night......I'm a light sleeper..........you can imagine what kinds of nights that made for us. Me being constantly awakened, me trying to roll him over.......both our sleep being interrupted. I was like a zombie after a year of that, and like you say.........grumpy. To the point I was starting to 'hate' him.    That was just my body crying for sleep tho.    So separate bedrooms it was. We both sleep sooooo much better now. Unconventional perhaps, but it works well for us.  So I really understand where you are coming from and I hope he'll agree to earlier bedtimes so you can get the rest you truly need.

I deal w/ this most mornings. My bedroom is right next to the bathroom and only about 10 ft from the kitchen. Earplugs are okay sometimes, but I can't use them all the time. They start bothering my ears. They do nothing to block out the snoring.    My DH is sooooooooo good at snoring that earplugs and a noisy fan (white noise) do no good. I have used the highest decibel blocking plugs out there too. They might be of some help to you tho. IF you could stand to use them all the time.

I have been looking thru a few of the Health Series books, comparing   how the foods have gone from one 'category' to another, from BTD to the other (not me, I'm not saying it on this forum   you fill in the blank ).  If you are trying to target one specific disease,     the  dif in the food categories makes no sense. This is the reason I really really would like to see the book on  the Adrenals. Right now, all the 'confusion' over what I SHOULD be eating is almost enough to make me throw in the towel altogether. It's just becoming  a hairpuller.            


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Well, it looks like rhodiola is not going to be easy to get here.  The HFS was helpful but not hopeful!!  I'm gonna try google.

Went to see my ND, she is getting me to do a Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis before prescribing anything.  Anyone else had one of these done and was it informative??

Sleep has not been easy to get lately.  Our 2 dogs have been on a barking binge.  And my hubby (recently diagnosed as a "skinny, mild sleep apnic") has a cold, so you can imagine the interesting noises he's been making while sleeping  

Gotta get some sleep......somehow.


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Sleep has not been easy to get lately.  Our 2 dogs have been on a barking binge.  And my hubby (recently diagnosed as a "skinny, mild sleep apnic") has a cold, so you can imagine the interesting noises he's been making while sleeping  Gotta get some sleep......somehow.


I feel for ya! My lab/chow mix gets on his kick sometimes. Sometimes for nights in a row. Sometimes I get up and put him in the garage (after 3 or 4 hours - you know, so tired you just don't want to get up). My hubby has sleep apnea too, snores like a freight train, I'm a VERY light sleeper. We have separate bedrooms. We both sleep really well now. Even tho he thought he was sleeping well before, not having me rolling him over has to afford him more and better sleep. Hope you can find a workable solution. My heart goes out to anyone who isn't getting good sleep. {{{HUGS}}}



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I've been out of touch for a while but my ND had me take Eleuthro root for mild AF. I took it in the morning and afternoon and it helped with my afternoon slumps. He also gave me something else to take before bed to prevent the "monkey-mind" that would wake and keep me up in the middle of the night. The trade name was called PS-500 or something--I'll have to check the bottle for the full name. I didn't find it helped much and it was quite spendy so I didn't get more. I do like to use Rescue Remedy when I have trouble getting to sleep. Unfortunately (and also fortunately), I have added pregnancy to the mix. Now I wake up for potty trips and to try to get comfortable (can't sleep on my back anymore!). The fact that my DD is obsessed with Schoolhouse Rocks and I can't get the adjectives and interjections songs out of my head at night doesn't help either!

Back to the earlier question about exercise, I've found that since I've begun a regular exercise program again (nothing too strenuous--just walking and a Pilates-type program), I'm sleeping better at night and have more energy and a better attitude throughout the day. I think because exercise helps with stress, it helps with the adrenal problem I had--my ND feels I lowered my cortisol baseline by overreacting to stressors and totally depleting my cortisol stores instead of just dipping into them as needed and keeping my baseline normal. So I'm all for exercise!


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Well, it looks like rhodiola is not going to be easy to get here.  The HFS was helpful but not hopeful!!


I had great success with Pure Encapsulations Emotional Wellness Formula.  But you might not be able to order it online.  It's not just Rhodiola.  It has other helpful ingredients, too.

I've tried two other products, which I don't have links for at the moment.  One works fine.  It's a 100mg dose per capsule.  The other, which is 325mg (or so), was not at all fine.  I'll try to get links for you, or at least brand names.



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Hi CazB,

I know where you can get rhodiola fairly easily - PM me and I'll give you the store details.  It is hard to get in Australia!

I've had the Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis done and it was really helpful.  Make sure that you get it interpreted by your ND/Doctor as well.  It can offer some really interesting insights.  The other thing to ask about is salivary hormone testing.  ARL Pathology do it within Australia.


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Hi everyone, well I finally got the results from my Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis and the results were significant.  I am at the moment a Fast Metaboliser Type 4, which my naturopath tells me means I have gone beyond Adrenal Exhaustion and heading for Chronic Fatigue and it's been over a prolonged time.

My iron stores are VERY low, the lowest she's seen in a long time.  

There are other things too but the most important and the things we are going to work on straight away are: Adrenals, low thyroid function and iron levels.

Hey Italy, you have very similar symptoms to me, can you get one of these done?  The results are fairly comprehensive and enable the naturopath to treat you with greater accuracy.

Here's to starting to feel better soon  


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.. beyond Adrenal Exhaustion ....we are going to work on straight away are: Adrenals, low thyroid function and iron levels...Hey Italy, you have very similar symptoms to me, can you get one of these done?


sorry your results were so    but at least you know what to do to help yourself now. If you wouldn't mind, would you post or PM me w/ what your ND is going to put you on.
I had a hair analysis done last year, that's how he found that my adrenal exhaustion (worse actually) was caused by copper toxicity. He found the adrenal 'exhaustion' by salivary testing. It showed one (DHEA or cortisol) was in the failure stage and the other right behind. I'm redoing the hair analysis today.  Hopefully will know something in a week or so.
thanks for posting.   Hope your ND will have you feeling some better soon. When the adrenals are really bad, it's a long road back.  




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Caz,
Can you talk a bit more about the hair tissue analysis?  Was it expensive?  Do you have to see an nd to have it done?  Thanks, sounds
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Caz,
I'd love to see your protocol also!  

It's alarming to get those kind of results, but knowledge is power!  I love to get a handle on anything that I can sink my teeth into which will improve my health and wellbeing.  Now you can begin to improve your life, armed with real sound techniques.



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First for Paulam, I will quote some stuff from the brochure I have regarding HTMA.

"Mineral concentrations in the hair can provide a reliable indicator of mineral stores in the whole body.  If your health, diet or environment has created a mineral imbalance or toxic mineral excess, it will be recorded in the hair shaft.  Research has shown that hair mineral levels reflect stored mineral levels in other body tissues."

"Why not test blood?

Measuring the mineral content of blood gives a good indication of the minerals being transported around the body.  However, it can not accurately measure the minerals is tissue.  

Very often, the body's homeostatic mechanisms maintain proper serum mineral concentrations at the expense of tissue concentrations.  Unfortunately, correct serum levels often mask both mineral excesses and deficiencies in tissue mineral concentrations.  For example:- Iron deficiency symptoms are present long before low serum iron levels are detected, because the body depletes stored iron in order to maintain normal serum iron levels."

I had to send in half a gram of hair from the nape of my neck.  It has to be cut very close to the scalp to reflect the most recent metabolic activity and can only be no more than 4cm long.  (in other words I have lots of little spiky patches on the bottom half of my scalp!!)  The hair needs to be clean, well-rinsed, untreated (eg. dandruff shampoos) and uncoloured.

It cost me $120AUS, the naturopath gets a comprehensive technical report, and I get one in "laymens terms".  I have to do another one in 4mths time to see what changes have happened and what changes need to happen to my protocol.

I think you need a naturopath to help with supplements and they are experienced in interpreting these things.

I am SOOOO glad I had this done!


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For Italy and Victoria,

Although I had many things going on (many mineral deficiencies) we are only treating adrenals, thyroid and iron at the moment.  She also wanted to keep it as simple as possible because I am not coping with life in general ATM.

The supplements I am on are as follows:

Metagenics Stressan it contains - Bupleurum, Pinellia, Gambir, Poria, Cinnamon, Chinese jujube, Baical skullcap, Panax ginseng, Ginger, Hydroxyapatite and oyster shell - This is for the adrenals, I take 3 before bed.

Magnesium Complete - one with dinner, one before bed.

Vitamin E 500IU - one with breakfast

BioCeuticals Iron Sustain it contains among other things 20mg of iron as amino acid chelate - she said not to take iron as iron sulphate because this is what causes constipation. I take one with breakfast and one with dinner.

Mega B - this is a B complex.  She said I need to have 150-200mg of both B5 and B6 per day.

Algotene capsules (Dunaliella salina) This is a "soft wall" algae that is absorbed much better than spirulina.  It is for my thyroid (contains iodine). One with brekky one with dinner.

Ashwagandha (Withania Somnifera) - For the adrenals, one with brekky.

She is ordering a liquid mineral supplement for me.

I also MUST take Betaine HCL with my supplements to help with digestion and uptake. (yes, even though I'm a type O!!  My body is not doing what it should be ATM) Also if I succumb to the evil grains it must not be anywhere near when I take my supplements.

She has also given me a pea protein isolate powder to have with soy milk in the morning.

Dietary-wise I have to eliminate grains as much as possible.  No black tea because it interferes with iron.  Lots of protein and vegies.  Basically the Type O diet (she follows the BTD  )


Exercise-wise she said it probably ain't gonna happen at the moment - my adrenals and thyroid are basically kaput - and it may even be detrimental - just for now.

She wants to see me in 4wks time to "tweak" things.



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Although I had many things going on (many mineral deficiencies) we are only treating adrenals, thyroid and iron at the moment. that's good.......too much at once is counter productive.
The supplements I am on are as follows:
Metagenics Stressan it contains - Bupleurum, Pinellia, Gambir, Poria, Cinnamon, Chinese jujube, Baical skullcap, Panax ginseng, Ginger, Hydroxyapatite and oyster shell - This is for the adrenals, I take 3 before bed.
Magnesium Complete - one with dinner, one before bed.
Vitamin E 500IU - one with breakfast be careful not to over supplement here - it is not advised for O's to supp w/ E but that does not take into account for adrenal exhaustion. Just one more reason I'd like to see an Adrenal Health Series Book.
BioCeuticals Iron Sustain it contains among other things 20mg of iron as amino acid chelate - she said not to take iron as iron sulphate because this is what causes constipation. I take one with breakfast and one with dinner.
Mega B - this is a B complex.  She said I need to have 150-200mg of both B5 and B6 per day.I think you could do w/ a lot more B5, but she is your ND, so you have to trust her judgement. However, if you don't see improvement after a while, you might ask about upping this.
Algotene capsules (Dunaliella salina) This is a "soft wall" algae that is absorbed much better than spirulina.  It is for my thyroid (contains iodine). One with brekky one with dinner.
Ashwagandha (Withania Somnifera) - For the adrenals, one with brekky.
She is ordering a liquid mineral supplement for me.
I also MUST take Betaine HCL with my supplements to help with digestion and uptake. (yes, even though I'm a type O!! I have the same issue and have to take B/ HCL especially when eating proteinsupplements.
She has also given me a pea protein isolate powder to have with soy milk in the morning. would you mind posting the brand on this. I'm always looking for something for a protein shake and try as I may, egg white protein just doesn't work, whey is an avoid, so.........  
Dietary-wise I have to eliminate grains as much as possible.  same here and especially in O's.......it just seems some of us are pretty much grain intolerant, tho not celiacNo black tea because it interferes with iron.  an avoid - tho I do miss it. Lots of protein and vegies.  Basically the Type O diet (she follows the BTD  )
Exercise-wise she said it probably ain't gonna happen at the moment - my adrenals and thyroid are basically kaput - and it may even be detrimental - just for now. same here.....maybe some walking or gentle stuff, but I don't tax mine by vigorous exercise either. It doesn't take much to wind me, which is highly disturbing to me, but I have to listen to my body.
I am concerned that I don't see any Vit C (unless something in that Metagenics Stressan is Vit C, but you would need high doses). it is very important in repairing the adrenals. As I understand it, the most important supplement. will see if I can find that info for you. Please ask her about it. P.S. you might want to tell her you were tooling around the internet and found it. wouldn't be a lie     some Drs and ND's take offense at questions, which irks me. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to post all of this.  


P.S.  this is an excerpt from the article I will also post. I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing (yet), but it looks good.

Increase vitamin C intake if necessary. It’s perhaps the most important nutrient in facilitating adrenal function and repair. Dr. Wilson writes that “The more cortisol made, the more vitamin C is used. Vitamin C is so essential to the adrenal hormone cascade and the manufacture of adrenal steroid hormones that before the measurement of adrenal steroid hormones became available, the blood level of vitamin C was used as the best indicator of adrenal function level in animal research studies.”

http://www.drmurphreestore.com/adrenalfatigue.html

I found this article from this page of a google search:
http://www.google.com/search?h.....p;btnG=Google+Search


paulam, I paid $45 yesterday for mine here in Ill/Mo (ND is in Mo). as far as I know you have to have a dr or ND request. more important is to have someone who knows how to read and treat, correctly.




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Thanks, Caz,
You are taking many of the same supplements that I am.  And I agree with Italy about the vitamin C.  It has made a big difference for me to increase my C intake to close to 1,000 mg with each meal.



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Great minds think alike  

I am taking Vitamin C because I know without a doubt that my body is really needing it.  It is a 1000mg Bio C formula with brekky and dinner. It just wasn't part of what the ND prescribed, so I didn't put it in.

Italy, I know exactly what you mean by the egg white protein powder - I could just not stomach it - yuk!

Here's the info on the pea protein powder, I had it yesterday with a cup of lite soy milk, a spoonful of carob powder and 2 drops of Stevia.  It wasn't too bad.

100% pea protein isolate - phyto protein
Logical Nutrition Pty Ltd

http://www.vitalgreens.com


And by the way thanks for those links, I had a bit of a glance and they look very informative!



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Thanks Caz!  That was a long post, but I can see that it is very helpful.  I had a hair analysis a few years back, but I think it just told toxic and other mineral levels.  That was what led the md to do mercury detox with me.  So eventually the mercury was lower in my hair.
But I wonder about the adrenals, etc.  I already have had thyroid problems that were addressed before I knew about the BTD.....
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Somewhere in this thread there was a link to Dr Lams website to do a questionnaire on adrenal fatigue, maybe you could start with this Paula?

I have been seeing my naturopath for at least 6 yrs now and she already knew I had adrenal issues (she does iridology among other things and it showed up there as well).  She just didn't realise how bad things were until we got the results from the HTMA.  I think she kinda sat up and thought "ok, this explains some things"  

So what I am trying to say is she is seeing the big picture over quite a few years which helps a lot.

Good luck with this, if you score high on the adrenal fatigue test then I would definitely recommend looking into it further.


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Somewhere in this thread there was a link to Dr Lams website to do a questionnaire on adrenal fatigue, maybe you could start with this Paula?


http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm#2

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm



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I did a search on how important Vit C is to adrenal repair and found this link. It is short but interesting. I learned a couple of things I didn't know.  

http://www.drmurphreestore.com/adrenalfatigue.html
(hope that's right........copy/paste is not working for me     - this is an issue on my computer not this site)

an excerpt from the above link:

The decrease in DHEA levels correlates with the general decline of cell-mediated immunity and increased incidence of cancer. DHEA protects the thymus gland, a major player in immune function.
During adrenal insufficiency, there is a deficiency of sodium and an abundance of potassium, and this imbalance causes an inhibition of the sphincter muscles of the eye. These muscles normally initiate pupil constriction in the presence of bright light. However, in adrenal fatigue, the pupils actually dilate when exposed to light.

This at least somewhat finally explains why bananas should be avoided w/ adrenal issues.



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IB, that's an interesting point about the eyes.  I have noticed that my eyes aren't nearly as sensitive to bright light as they were before I started treating my adrenal fatigue.
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IB, that's an interesting point about the eyes.  I have noticed that my eyes aren't nearly as sensitive to bright light as they were before I started treating my adrenal fatigue.


yes, light sensitivity is really a tell tale sign.  



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I  mentioned it before on a different thread, but I was very  happy to learn from the eye dr. last week that my pupils constrict very nicely in the light!  It was good news.


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I  mentioned it before on a different thread, but I was very  happy to learn from the eye dr. last week that my pupils constrict very nicely in the light!  It was good news.


Ribbit, that's great!!! nothing that boosts our spirits like knowing we're getting better.



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Great news, Ribbit!  Healing the adrenals is fundamental to improving our health!!  



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My hair analysisis back. His comments:

Pat,
I received your test today.  In comparison to your last sample things are better.  The results continue to show a sluggish thyroid and adrenals.  You are extremely low in potassium.  This is compromising both thyroid and adrenal.  Copper looks better.  A few quick suggestions:  Increase potassium 500 mg per day, increase magnesium 500 mg per day, avoid supplements with zinc, calcium and vitamin D for now.  Eat frequent meals/snacks.

In addition, I asked him about B5.......he recommended 50 mg. I asked if he meant 500, he said no.  I did some research on the RDA ........ 10 mg. I was shocked. He doesn't recommend high doses of this for me right now. I had been taking 500-1000 mg a day, most days.  
I looked up B5 toxicity symptoms, just in case. I'm okay there, but did find this nice chart that I thought I'd share:
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=87

I am going to schedule an appt w/ him soon, so I can get some more answers. Like why the potassium. I understand I'm low and the consequences, but that goes against 'all the rules'.  I'm keeping an open mind. I have to put my trust in him because he's been really good w/ me ......... always.

Ribbit, glad to hear you're doing better.  

I read something about licorice last night re: adrenals I think. I must find that info and post.



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I'm such an idiot!!!!!

Ok I'm posting this as a warning to others and a reminder to myself........

I know I have adrenal fatigue and yet I said yes to a coffee at my MIL's around 7pm or so tonight.  My reasoning was this, Hey it's only half a cup and it is our 17th wedding anniversary, why not??  WHY NOT, I say.   I know that I need 5 hours after a coffee before I can go to sleep!  

So now it's midnight, I'm sitting here because I feel sick and half my body wants to go to sleep desperately and the other half is jittery and my heart feels like it's racing and I feel totally weird - it's horrible!!!

Then I started thinking - ok, I am noticing my bodies reaction because I am tired and want to go to sleep and can't.  But it must be quite detrimental to my adrenals even if I have it during the day (not that I do very often) but I'm just not as aware of it because I'm busy.  Now I already know this but I just keep forgetting - what a dope!

So a note to self and others - stay away from the coffee, it's just not worth it!

Ok, I'm going to go back to bed and try to go to sleep - wish me luck  


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So sorry, CazB.  We sometimes need these reality checks to help us remember why we try to live and eat for our health.

The more balanced our bodies become, the more we are able to notice the harmful effects of the things that we used to be blind to.



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When I'm only a little tired coffee is a great thing for me.  When I'm absolutely exhausted coffee doesn't perk me up, it just makes me aggressive and angry.  I guess it's just stressing the adrenals at that point.


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Huh??? Haven't you girls seen all the 'medical' reports that say coffee is good for everyone?? Haven't ya?    
If only that were true  



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Haven't you girls seen all the 'medical' reports that say coffee is good for everyone??

Yeah, it was in the same issue recommending the use of blood-letting and leeches...
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So sorry, CazB.  We sometimes need these reality checks to help us remember why we try to live and eat for our health.

The more balanced our bodies become, the more we are able to notice the harmful effects of the things that we used to be blind to.


Thanks Victoria

This was the worst reaction to caffeine I have ever had.  I didn't get to sleep until 3am.  I won't be drinking coffee again for quite a while - I just wish I could remember to say no for the rest of my life but my memory is shocking and I realise once I'm having a reaction - Oh Yeah, not supposed to do that  


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Yeah, it was in the same issue recommending the use of blood-letting and leeches...


yeah,



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Caz, I had a similar experience with coffee a while ago. I drank a cup of cappuchino around lunch time and I could not sleep at all that particular night. I even have trouble with tea sometimes (green or black) so I am trying to stay away from them.
I am using a great supplement you might be interested in. It is called "Astra 8 Immune Tonic" and it gives me lots of energy. It is by Fusion Health, the website is http://fusionhealth.com.au/ it is made in Byron Bay and health food stores tend to have it (at least here, but you can also order online).
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That's because Nomads don't tend to be home much. Ahem, ahem, Sir Nomad who's traveling again.


My ex was the same way..always traveling. He is a B and I'd bet my life on it that he's a Nomad, like his son. That's one of the reasons we're divorced. I understand if a guy has to travel but he was like, be gone for a month or two, come home for a week or two then leave again. He even admitting that he fell uneasy if he wasn't traveling!   I guess some Nomads travel more than others..
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Caz, I had a similar experience with coffee a while ago. I drank a cup of cappuchino around lunch time and I could not sleep at all that particular night. I even have trouble with tea sometimes (green or black) so I am trying to stay away from them.
I am using a great supplement you might be interested in. It is called "Astra 8 Immune Tonic" and it gives me lots of energy. It is by Fusion Health, the website is http://fusionhealth.com.au/ it is made in Byron Bay and health food stores tend to have it (at least here, but you can also order online).


Thanks Curious

I checked out the site, the only problem I may have it that it has Siberian ginseng and I think I recall my naturopath saying that we might avoid that for a while because my adrenals won't be able to handle even the mild stuff.  I will ask her next time I see her.

It was a rough day yesterday - I was an absolute zombie. I also was "teenage-sitting" my friends daughter and have her again tonight so I have to soldier on for now    Looking forward to catching up on some sleep soon!


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... the only problem I may have it that it has Siberian ginseng and I think I recall my naturopath saying that we might avoid that for a while because my adrenals won't be able to handle even the mild stuff.  I will ask her next time I see her.

Caz, that is interesting. There is another supplement called "AdrenoTone" by Metagenics which my doctor gives to people with adrenal fatigue and it has 2.8 gram of Siberian ginseng in it. I personally don't like the AdrenoTone much, because it has something made from corn in it (I rang Metagenics and they told me about it).

I'd be interested to hear what your naturopath says about the Siberian ginseng.

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I've been taking Siberian Ginseng for several months now, and I still have some adrenal recovery to do.  I don't think it hurts, and may actually help.
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That's something I'd like to look into after Julia stops nursing.  That's one of those herbs they say you can't take while breastfeeding.  I have a lot I want to do with my system after she weans.....


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Hmmmmm.....  I'm seeing my osteopath this afternoon who works with my naturopath, so I will see if my naturopath is there today so I can ask her about it.

I just checked out the Metagenics supplement called Stressan that she has me on as part of my adrenal recovery and it has Panax Ginseng in it.  So either I have it wrong and it was something else she said to leave out for now or things have changed since she first started treating me!!  (This isn't the formula she put me on in the beginning)

Maybe I can take the Astra 8 after all, I will see what I can find out and let you all know. I know that one of the ginsengs is supposed to gently support the adrenals but there is a more potent one that just gives me the shakes (I think maybe Korean)  

I am nervous about adding anything else to my supplement regime unless I check with my naturopath because I am already taking a few things and I wouldn't want them to interact the wrong way (does that make sense?)

Also what Curious has to say about the Metagenics supplement containing corn - I think I might phone them to see if it is in the Stressan.  If only there was an affordable way of getting Dr D's supplements here *sigh*


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Ok, a quick update - just phoned Metagenics and the Stressan doesn't have any wheat, corn or gluten - phew!  


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Caz, in LR4YT, Dr. D says Korean Ginseng isn't tolerated well by some women.
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I need to get to bed earlier.  

I missed the article about leaches though, must've been interesting.  Hehehehhehehe  


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Well, I finally went onto the NZ website that Rebecca C recommended to me and ordered some Rhodiola, Tyrosine and Valerian last week!  It arrived today and I am very excited to start my 8 week Antistress Protocol for Type O's today - Yay

I think my biggest struggle will be doing the exercise component, but I've gotta try.  Anyone else with adrenal fatigue struggle with exercise?

Anyway will keep in touch to let you know how I am doing.  How is everyone else?


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I think I have adrenal fatigue Caz B. Well, I struggle with exercise. I'm always tired. Could also be M with me.

That's great that you are handling your stress.    With me meditation really helps. Also another way I like to use is Oxycise..
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Are you finding now that the weather is warming up here Caz that you feel like a lil' more exercise?

Winter was hibernation-like for me, but spring has really got into my bones and I am enjoying gardening and walking in the sunlight, I even started back on my core strengthening exercises this week after a rather too-long and neglectful winter-hiatus.  
Dr D does mention in Gatherer profile in GTD book this.
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I think my biggest struggle will be doing the exercise component, but I've gotta try.  Anyone else with adrenal fatigue struggle with exercise?

When I had Adrenal Fatigue, just going to work and sitting at a desk all day was all I could do...  Of course, mine was caused by allergies to much of the food I was eating and the chemicals, pollens, etc. in the environment and at work...

I still don't do as much exercise as is recommended, but am continuing to detox and heal the body.  One of these days, I'll be able to exercise without overloading the body with stored toxins...




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Diana - what is Oxycise?

Honeybee - I haven't exercised all winter but the sun is very enticing now.  I have just returned from my first 30 min brisk walk in many months.  I actually enjoyed it but my chest is now wheezy - I have been wheezy for the last 5 mths which has been very frustrating!

ABJoe - I understand what you mean, for the last couple of years it has been an effort just to get out of bed!  But I know I need to start somewhere/sometime.  My naturopath said to take it slow and steady, so I won't be going in any marathons for a while  


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I'm exercizing more easily than I ever have.  I remember those days, Joe, from early elementary school up through the end of high school, at which time things got a little better (getting out of school did wonders for my outlook on life).  It would be all I could do to get myself to class--and struggle to stay awake the whole day--and then have to go to gym class and move?  Wow.  I was nearly always the last one chosen for a sports team because I was so out-of-it and clumsy.  I'm so much better now.  I was out throwing the frisbee recently and was so impressed by my abilities---just from being on the Warrior diet!  


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I've just found this old thread and am researching and saving much of it for Hamish who
is probably suffering from A/F big time, with bad heart reactions, palpitations, fibulations, atrial and ventricular, from time to time. He has been on Explorer for 5 months. the first 6 weeks were shocking for him - he felt awful and lost. Now the food has settled down, and he likes being a true blue Explorer, and sticks to it religiously, though it is very hard work as he is not used to doing so much cooking as he can no longer buy convenience foods. But the fatigue and heart conditions are continuing on just as badly as before.
We'd like to pose the question of all you people on this enormous thread who followed the cumulative advice, how are you all doing now,  a couple of years later? It would be good to hear that A/F can be successfully addressed by the GTD and supplements.
Thanks to all of you who contributed to this thread and gave out so much amazing information.



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I'm improving.  I wake up, and I'm not a zombie.  Nor do I feel nauseous in the AM.

I take less Isocort, yet I don't often feel like collapsing into bed when I get home from work.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Hi Jenny,

I have found that my ticker stays settled with magnesium powder supplement.  I take this sprinkled into veggie juice or fruit smoothie.  As an explorer I'd be very careful about the amount of mg taken as too much does feel like a drug to me (    ! )  My ticker jumps and dances with a feeling of somersaulting and the mg definitely helps.  

Previously with fast palpitations a few years ago, I found that upping my potassium helped eliminate this.

This is just a suggestion but sure worked for me so hope it helps!  
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... with magnesium powder supplement.


might I ask what brand you use? I have some ticker issues as well.  
and thanks for the reminder on potassium.



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Sea salt has made the biggest difference for me.  I know GTD has helped as well.  I'm still tired, but I do have more energy between the tired patches in my day.  I don't think I have adrenal crashes very often anymore.


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Hi italybound,

The mg I am taking at the moment for my ticker is Muscle Resuscitation (Bio-Enhanced Magnesium Powder) by Herbs of Gold.  This is an over-the-counter product from the HFS.

Metagenics makes a good one but over here it is only available through Naturopaths and it is called Cardio-X.  Again mostly mg with some co-factors including a bit of Taurine (in both products).

  
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Muscle Resuscitation (Bio-Enhanced Magnesium Powder) by Herbs of Gold...Metagenics makes a good one.... called Cardio-X.


thanks a bunch for the info!  

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who are all the lovely girls in your signature line?


These are my three daughters...and my sons are posted in "Hallmarks of the Explorer"
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Well, I finally went onto the NZ website that Rebecca C recommended to me and ordered some Rhodiola, Tyrosine and Valerian last week!  It arrived today and I am very excited to start my 8 week Antistress Protocol for Type O's today - Yay

I think my biggest struggle will be doing the exercise component, but I've gotta try.  Anyone else with adrenal fatigue struggle with exercise?

Anyway will keep in touch to let you know how I am doing.  How is everyone else?

Hi there-- could you give me the exact name of the Antistress Protocol for O, as I could not find it in the Store.I also deal with Gina in NZ and find that she can supply goods very quickly. Perhaps a link or something?  Many thanks,




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Thanks so much Lola, in fact the list of protocols you gave does have Catechol listed in the store which would be the appropriate one in our case.



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I have a new take on adrenal fatigue that I'd like to add.  I don't know if it will be useful to most Os but here goes.

When we talk about AF, mostly we talk about cortisol.  Insufficient cortisol, with all its repercussion, is an important factor in AF, but cortisol isn't the only hormone to think about.  For me, I believe my shortage of adrenaline is just as troublesome as my insufficient cortisol.

Think about these things that adrenaline does: increases muscle strength, increases metabolism, improves mental clarity, encourages the release of fat from fat tissues to increase blood sugar (instead of breaking down muscle tissue for energy), and counters inflammation from allergies.  Of course, these are more of a short-term effect than cortisol.

Throughout my life, I have had a tendency toward being an "anti-adrenaline junky", usually avoiding anything that was particularly exciting.  Often I feel kind of sick after having an adrenaline rush type experience, suggesting that I'm deficient in adrenaline, too.  So I've been doing some reading about adrenaline.  It's made from phenylalanine and tyrosine (which is itself made from phenylalanine).

So I've started taking a DL-phenylalanine supplement so I have more of the building blocks of adrenaline.  I've also started working out at the gym again, intentionally doing short, intense workouts in an effort to get the adrenaline going.  Sometimes I still overdo it, and leaves me feeling depleted, but I give myself a day or two of recovery before going to the gym again, and in the meantime I'm learning to pay close attention and end my workout when I should.  I will tell you that after one of those good workouts where it doesn't make me feel ill afterward, that I feel alert and energetic the rest of the day and the next day, and I sleep better.

So there are a few ideas about AF to consider.  I have limited access to the internet so it might be a while before I can come on again but I look forward to reading other ideas in response.
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Good post TJ. thanks for sharing that insight w/ us!! makes sense.



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My doctor recently diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue, and was telling me about some recent studies involving a connection between adrenal/autoimmune issues and head injuries. The gist of it was, there seems to be a correlation between head injuries and people developing idiopathic (i.e., unknown origin) problems. The issues tend to show up 6-12 mos. after the injury.

In my case, I've had two concussions in my life, and less than a year later after each have had irregular hormone production leading to an inability to regulate food sensitivities and causing me to break out in chronic hives. Correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, and my anecdote doesn't equal data, but it's interesting.

As it was explained to me, an easy-to-recognize marker for this type of adrenal problem is finding your sleep schedule getting out of whack. Your body is supposed to produce hormones (yes, cortisol!) at various levels at different times of day. If you're trying to keep a regular schedule and are tired during the day but can't sleep when it's time to go to bed, it's a good indication that something goofy is going on with your adrenaline production. That kind of goofy production can be caused by a major stressor (like, say, a head injury) or lots of stress over a sustained period, or a combination of the two.

But our bodies are pretty smart and are built to deal with what they have to, when they have to, so they tend to keep plugging along to get through the actual problem. It's not until later when they get worn out that we start to feel the effects.

I don't have a cite to the actual study, but I just thought I'd share the info I had in case it could help anyone! It's easy enough to confirm this sort of thing via blood tests, if you can find a doctor who knows what to test for, so maybe it will help some folks navigate some of those "unexplained" symptoms.

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Interesting Kayzee, thanks. So we have to try to stick to our schedules for the benefit of our health!! We know that, but we need to be remind it the reasons why every now and then.  Thanks for the refresher and at a very appropriate time!!!.  It is 1:00am now here, just came back from the movies DD took us to see (late night show), very funny, good laugh exercise, but left me a bit pump up and that is why i am here at this time.  But sleep is now coming back and after reading your post, I better listen to it and try to do some catch up sleep in the next few hours.  Good night!  




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TJ, those chemicals you mentioned were in the write up on IAP that Lola linked in other posts.  Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase or something.  I didn't quite understand the write up, whether it's good to have or not, but it did say it's higher in O's and B's.  And I wonder if that means if it's in the gut more, it's not in your system as much.  Or you burn it up faster.  Eating meats and such.  So, it could be why you need to take it.  I could be all wet there, but it was just a thought.  

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I'm happy to see this thread up and running again!  

I had a real good handle on my fatigue issues until the holiday season rolled around.  I had signed up for my first Tai Chi class at the first of December and found it to be more strenuous than my body actually was ready for. . not that the movements were difficult, but my stamina was stretched too far by keeping it all going for an hour.  I didn't like thinking I wasn't capable of such a gentle exercise program, so I persisted (like a trooper, I thought).  I was not taking into account that I am recovering from "bone crushing fatigue", as Dr. D might describe it.

Then, my daughter came home for a couple of weeks on her winter break.  We stayed up late every night, talking, sharing, laughing, watching videos and in general, having a great time together.  I crashed, and have had diarrhea for the past two weeks.  I am tired all over again and I'm actually thankful for the reality check.  I'm back on the wagon with getting into bed earlier and staying in bed for 9 to 10 hours.  I'm canceling my Tai Chi class for now, and looking for a Qi Gung class, which I believe is more gentle and slow, and builds vitality.



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I don't think I could handle too much Tai Chi or tai kwon do, or much of anything like that for an hour either.  10 minutes,  yeah, not an hour.  Don't feel bad.  We can't all be triathletes.  And you have responsiblities that no one else can do.  Being a Mom, taking care of your house, etc etc.  Those are all important things and you can only do what you can only do.

I don't care if the rest of the world thinks we should have as much energy as Jim Carrey or not, you are special just the way you are.  


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When I take a tai chi class I am often really hungry afterward. It is amazingly strenuous and makes me quite sore, at least at first. It is supposed to help with bone density, especially of the legs, at least that is what the Chinese say.
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I just realized you are Drive55, right?


Yes, TJ is Drive55
I'm w/ Victoria ......... glad to see this thread around again. I too, had spent too many nights up late and spreading myself too thin in other areas. It's really hard sometimes to not be able to keep up w/ those around you. Then you push yourself to do so and wind up worse off than before. It's a hard lesson learned, but I have cut waaaaaaaay back on things. Some people not sa happy 'bout that, but...........I have to do what I have to do.  



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I don't think I could handle too much Tai Chi or tai kwon do, or much of anything like that for an hour either.  10 minutes,  yeah, not an hour.  Don't feel bad.  We can't all be triathletes.  And you have responsiblities that no one else can do.  Being a Mom, taking care of your house, etc etc.  Those are all important things and you can only do what you can only do.

I don't care if the rest of the world thinks we should have as much energy as Jim Carrey or not, you are special just the way you are.  


Thank you for these kind words!!  I do expect a lot from myself, and usually forget that I don't have the stamina that I used to have.  Most of the world is not patient with people who are dealing with fatigue . . . they don't understand.



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Yes, Chandon!  The movements appear so easy and fluid.  It gives a false impression that they are easy.  Not so!  It's an amazingly powerful work-out, and unlike practicing yoga, there are not the periods of rest between the poses.

Italy,
I know you understand what it feels like to have a set-back.  You are the person who first alerted me to adrenal fatigue.  If it weren't for you, I might still be trying to force myself to keep up a "normal" pace.  So I'm forever grateful!  



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Yes, formerly known as drive55!

I think IAP is more important in digesting grains/starches (?).
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Aaaaah.  That's probably correct.  


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I NEED HELP!!!

I am a 25/f, Type O, and I started the ER diet three months ago. I had done it before, and it had done wonders with my health and energy, but bad habits caught up with me and I dropped the ball. This time I completely gave up all of the "avoids" and created a well balanced diet with the beneficial/neutral foods.  Before I started the diet, I was having problems with fatigue, and I figured the diet would help (like last time).

However, three months into it (with the addition of exercise) and I feel awful. I feel so fatigued/ sleepy all of the time. It's hard for me to fall asleep, but after I do, I get about 9-10 hours of sleep and wake up feeling like it's not enough. I got muscle cramps after even the mildest exercise (walking to school), and I get winded when I do simple things like climb stairs. I feel like I should be the picture of perfect health: perfect diet, exercise, and vitamin supplements, but I just feel like I'm getting worse!

I have been to my primary doctor and she did a number of tests, ruling out heart and lung issues. My blood tests were "normal", with my TSH (thyroid level) at 2.67, and my glucose at an abnormally high 106 (fasting levels!). My other symptoms (other than fatigue) are constipation, minor bleeding between periods, muscle cramps, and a low body temperature (around 97.5+/- usually). I have the temperament and symptoms of depression (sadness, irritability, crying, inability of focus or concentrate), but something has to be causing it and the other symptoms too. All of these seem like thyroid issues, but according to my doc, my TSH level of 2.67 is normal. I've never had blood tests done before (always a very healthy gal), so I have no previous measurements to compare it with. And I can't get to an endo for more advanced thyroid function tests because they require a referral from a general practitioner.

With my diet and exercise, I feel like I should be doing so well. But something is wrong, and I can't figure it out. Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range? I'm going insane. I need energy to finish my school/degree!

Anyone with advice, please help. Thanks.
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Get some sun exposure, vitamin d has been very effective for me in times of depression, and is said to be so. Actualy it was very obvious that I needed to do so after reading about vitamin d because I used to close curtains in day to minimize sun's radiation damage and I was a homer but it was winter and I bought vitamin d on internet.

And for the adrenal fatigue test your blood pressure 2 times: first after laying on the ground for at least 5 minutes and second after raising up and standing immediately after you test your blood pressure while laying on ground.
Second blood pressure is optimally 10 points higher than the first. Adrenal fatigue is called for ones whose second blood pressure isn't higher.
I've read Dr Mercola suggesting adrenal glandulars once and it doesn't possess much risk. Adrenal Rebuilder is an example for such a treatment. B vitamins and especially panthotenic acid is often included in adrenal fatigue products. Ashwaganda and holy basil are helpful with stress and eleuthero and ginseng are helpful with energy. Such herbs aren't expensive on bulk.
You can make your own extracts with some alcohol and the herb mixing them together and waiting them preferably in a dark place for a day or more.

Good luck!
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I went for a walk yesterday in the sun.  For the 1st time since March my temperature went up to 98 deg F.  I think the sun did me some good.  That coupled with the reduction in caffeine the ND is making me do.  She’s having me drink Holy Basil tea every day.  

My washing machine was leaking water and when I went to clean up the mess I felt sick and had to stop.  My temperature dropped to 95.1 deg F at one point and I was feeling extremely fatigued, so I went to a ND on 3/26/10.  When I get bit or stung by a bug, my temperature drops.  I thought it might be my thyroid since thyroid problems run in my family.  Those levels came out normal.  Everything else from my blood test came out normal except for 2 items which were low, sodium and lymphocyte %.  She thought my high caffeine consumption was affecting my adrenals.  I have a follow up visit next Friday so I’ll ask her about the blood pressure testing procedure Onur suggested.

My new red washer & dryer came on Friday.  I took off Wednesday & Thursday to clean.  Even wearing a mask & gloves my temperature dropped to 95.8 deg F on Wednesday.  So on Thursday, my son took off of work and with the help of one of his friends thoroughly cleaned the laundry room.  


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Yeah less caffeine  in diet is suggested for adrenal insufficiency. Herbs that help with stress also help with sleeping but may make you too sleepy and energizing herbs can wake you up. Add some fresh veggies with vitamin c to your diet, preferably raw.
Ashwaganda is helpful with thyroid conditions also but can make you sleepy. One of the seaweed Dr Dadamo suggest is bladderwrack and another is kelp, they contain iodine. I bought bladderwrack on bulk from http://www.mountainroseherbs.com and add sometimes to my salads with a teaspoon.
Rhodiola rosea is another energizing waking up memory strengthening herb and its toxicity quite low. Some people just eat them and rosea can be the best choice to use that way. While extracting the herb is left in the cup.
I think a clean cut animal's glandulars can be eaten directly with some antibacterial food because I ate processed meat raw a few times with onion and nothing happened. Once I ate a piece of raw kidney after peeling the membrane without antibacterials and my left kidney jumped in its place for a few days, right one also jumped a few times. It must have been getting itself healed. Ovine sources are probably the best choice for glandulars and can be bought from a butcher as I did but it's better to eat antibacterial foods such as onion or garlic together with it. Homeopathic remedies are just glandulars cut and added into alcohol bases in clean environments and that kidney would have costed me enormously more if I had bought the homeopathic remedy.
Licorice can slow down break down of steroid hormones in liver.
This page http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/health-tips/diet-for-adrenal-fatigue.html explains diet changes for adrenal fatigue
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When are you getting your sleep?  I found that the one thing that helps the most with my adrenal fatigue is getting to bed early.  Pay careful attention to whenever you first get tired, and go to bed then, ASAP.  If you wait, you will get a "second wind", which is basically your adrenals working overtime to keep you going (since you didn't take the hint the first time ).  I typically retired around midnight or 1 am. When I started getting to bed around 9 or 10 pm, I quickly saw improvements.  Your time may vary.  You just have to pay attention.  It helps to stay away from bright lights, screens, and exertion for a couple hours before retiring, and you will need that extra help at first, getting used to going to bed earlier.
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I'm an explorer.  Although my blood type is A, i don't get exhausted in an overenergetic since.  I get more of what D'adamo says happens to hunters and this probably holds for explorers as well since they are both reactive genotypes:  i get a systemic burnout.  The exercise that normally is needed and craved becomes exhausting.  I sleep and wake up feeling drained.  
This happens when i get burnt out with a worry.  Most things roll off me, but some worries penetrate my shield and f me up a bit.  Listen to you body and what it wants.  Even when i'm burnt like this, my adrenals will keep me going when the need comes.
Do relaxation exercises for your mind and body.  It restores energy!  
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Just throwing this out there:

I have a friend that suffered from chronic fatigue for many, many years (10+ maybe). He went to a new ND and found out he had liver flukes.


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Yeah less caffeine  in diet is suggested for adrenal insufficiency. Herbs that help with stress also help with sleeping but may make you too sleepy and energizing herbs can wake you up. Add some fresh veggies with vitamin c to your diet, preferably raw.
Ashwaganda is helpful with thyroid conditions also but can make you sleepy. One of the seaweed Dr Dadamo suggest is bladderwrack and another is kelp, they contain iodine. I bought bladderwrack on bulk from http://www.mountainroseherbs.com and add sometimes to my salads with a teaspoon.
Rhodiola rosea is another energizing waking up memory strengthening herb and its toxicity quite low. Some people just eat them and rosea can be the best choice to use that way. While extracting the herb is left in the cup.
I think a clean cut animal's glandulars can be eaten directly with some antibacterial food because I ate processed meat raw a few times with onion and nothing happened. Once I ate a piece of raw kidney after peeling the membrane without antibacterials and my left kidney jumped in its place for a few days, right one also jumped a few times. It must have been getting itself healed. Ovine sources are probably the best choice for glandulars and can be bought from a butcher as I did but it's better to eat antibacterial foods such as onion or garlic together with it. Homeopathic remedies are just glandulars cut and added into alcohol bases in clean environments and that kidney would have costed me enormously more if I had bought the homeopathic remedy.
Licorice can slow down break down of steroid hormones in liver.
This page http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/health-tips/diet-for-adrenal-fatigue.html explains diet changes for adrenal fatigue


The seaweed that helps me pick up my energy best is Lavor Nori.  Somebody else in this forum suggested Rhodiola for a skin problem I had last year.  IT is also an adaptogenic herb like the Holy Basil the doctor suggested, so I added that to my regime.

I think I would gross out too much before I could down a raw kidney.

Licorice is recommended for B’s.  I need to remember to pick up some more tea.

Onur:  You seem so young to have adrenal fatigue issues.  What do you think caused it?

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When are you getting your sleep?  I found that the one thing that helps the most with my adrenal fatigue is getting to bed early.  Pay careful attention to whenever you first get tired, and go to bed then, ASAP.  If you wait, you will get a "second wind", which is basically your adrenals working overtime to keep you going (since you didn't take the hint the first time ).  I typically retired around midnight or 1 am. When I started getting to bed around 9 or 10 pm, I quickly saw improvements.  Your time may vary.  You just have to pay attention.  It helps to stay away from bright lights, screens, and exertion for a couple hours before retiring, and you will need that extra help at first, getting used to going to bed earlier.


I don’t know if you were talking to Erica or me, but advice on here helps all with this condition.  

Getting enough sleep is a major struggle for me.  I’ve managed to move up my bedtime from midnight to 11 PM.  When I travel east for work I have even more difficulty since I lose an hour.  I get up at 5:30 AM.  On weekends I wake up later and take a nap in the afternoon.


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Mine was 4-6 points higher if I remember right.

Reasons for adrenal insufficiency is damage to adrenal and/or pituitary by autoimmune diseases or sth. Or pituitary may be damaged due to neurotoxins such as fructose and sucrose. Autoimmune diseases can be prevented by following BTD.
Stressful lifestyle or too much caffeine can use adrenals and leave it insufficient.
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My eosinophils were abnormally high before I changed my diet. I also was a sugar lover before.
Adrenals are just over kidneys. I couldn't yet eat one, I couldn't find but I probably will in Antalya. Though it's not a serious problem to me now.

Visual disturbances such as blurred vision after turning your head away from sun is a sign of hypopituitarism. Hypopituitarism is lack of pituitary(in the center of brain) and its hormones. Lack of those hormones lessers signaling to adrenals to secrete adrenal hormones so they are better healed together.
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C45228.html
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C17669.html
signs, causes, symptoms,... of hypopituitarism and adrenal insufficiency.
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Thanks Onur.  I have my follow-up doc appointment in < hour.

You are lucky to have realized a healthy living style so young.  The excesses of my past have now caught up to me.  Pre-BTD, I drank Pepsi all day long.  Then I switched to Water Joe (Spring Water & caffeine).  It weaned me off the Pepsi, but I drink it to excess also.  In my college days I smoked 3-1/2 packs of cigarettes a day.  I used Nicorette gum to wean me off that but now I’m addicted to the gum.  This week I took ½ my allotment and switched from 4 mg to 2 mg.

Stress – I’ve definitely had my share of that.

The only sugar my 26 yr old son consumes is in an occasional bottle tea, enhanced water, or juice.  He is an herbal tea fan.  He consumes very little green tea and no coffee or soft drinks.  He only gets Chinese food from places that will make it without MSG.

Unfortunately, young people like you, Eric & my son are the eating exceptions.  


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mine too!!!

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When are you getting your sleep?  I found that the one thing that helps the most with my adrenal fatigue is getting to bed early.  Pay careful attention to whenever you first get tired, and go to bed then, ASAP.  If you wait, you will get a "second wind", which is basically your adrenals working overtime to keep you going (since you didn't take the hint the first time ).  I typically retired around midnight or 1 am. When I started getting to bed around 9 or 10 pm, I quickly saw improvements.  Your time may vary.  You just have to pay attention.  It helps to stay away from bright lights, screens, and exertion for a couple hours before retiring, and you will need that extra help at first, getting used to going to bed earlier.


This is one aspect I really struggle with.  I sometimes think it's a BTD thing, but that may just be a cop out.  My mom and daughter both seem to be natural early to be early to rise.  My daughter did it instinctively since she was born.  My son and I on the other hand, like to stay up all evening.  I have a hard time getting to bed at 11 or 11:30 for that matter.  It's usually midnight.  I'll be good for a bit, like a day or two, and then regress.  It doesn't help that I'm usually having my largest meal between 10 and 11.  I'm telling you, that grain I eat at the end of the day, really makes me feel right.  But I end up eating it when you are already sleeping.  hehehehe


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weew great advices here since 2006......

today I was forced to see a colleague of mine and yup my overactive bladder problem is due to adrenal f. ...so I'm in there too....very öööd  
I do take wild yams since a longer while and also menopausal helpers but it seems that all those symptoms are coz of my drained adrenals.....

ok so I've to slow down and become a brave (odd mid-fith gazelle ... oum oops I think I fear old age comeing.....


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I am happy to see this thread reactivated.

One thing I have been wondering about is whether AF, if left untreated, can eventually become Addison's Disease.  Does anyone know?




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addisosn's disease is merely coz of underfunctional hypothalamus and related to weightloss too..... this isn't the case in adrenal fatigue due to stress- here you might have a certain weightloss but also the contrary.... you are unable to loose any weight !!! Symptoms are different... all beautifully described in Wikipedia


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Thanks!

This thread has identified all sorts of issues that doctors have not.
I don't think my life has been all that outwardly stressful, but I sure feel stressed when I get brain fog and have to function at work. It was more difficult when my kids were small.

Fortunately, my gynecologist ordered a saliva test which shed light on stuff I have been dealing with for over 25 years.




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My niece, who is in her 30's was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue by a doctor in Houston.  She is A blood type.  What should she eat and not eat concerning this problem.  She is a vegetarian and does not eat gluten.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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meribelle please look for the mentioned supplements  named in this thread at the very early beginnings ... ...
she can go for cordyceps & royal jelly & vit.C or other mentioned helpers  


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If anyone is back to exercising again:

http://www.livestrong.com/video/1008166-cardio-weightlifting-adrenal-fatigue/

God bless this man for making the video! Most trainers have no clue when you tell them.


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If anyone is back to exercising again:

http://www.livestrong.com/video/1008166-cardio-weightlifting-adrenal-fatigue/

God bless this man for making the video! Most trainers have no clue when you tell them.


Thank you SO much for sharing this video....very valuable information....explains a lot.



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Seraffa,
many thanks for post.....I've been doing weights and while I think my adrenals have improved, I think it's still a work in progress...so this is very good to know about.

http://www.livestrong.com/video/1008166-cardio-weightlifting-adrenal-fatigue/

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I think I had a type of adrenal fatigue from drinking way too much coffee the past few years.  I was up to about 5 or 6 cups a day.  I have not drank any coffee in a few days and I'm drinking herbal and some green tea to replace the coffee.   My blood sugar was low and my blood pressure was elevated.

Amazon also recommended ashwagandha.  It is recommended for blood type A and I got a high quality one full spectrum.  i find it to be the most helpful supplement i have used as of yet.  

It does for the A system what rhodiola does for the O system.  It can also be used for protracted amounts of time and helps me sleep excellent.  Dr d also writes it works for B  also.  

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