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Drea
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I went to a naturalpath and had my brain chemistry tested and all my hormones.   Wow... what we found was amazing in deficiencies.  She started me on some great supplements and got me all normalized


funkymuse, can you tell me what tests the ND had you take to test your hormones?


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Well, wanted to go to bed but started reading the A/F book and had to get on and tell about what I read (Victoria, wherrrrrrre are you????   )

EATING - for the person who gets up around 6AM or so.

BREAKFAST - ALWAYS eat breakfast by 10 AM - between cortisol being at it's highest around 8 AM and the low liver function that goes hand in hand w/  A/F, you may not feel hungry. You may even feel an aversion to food. Eat anyway. Always include protein. It's very important.
LUNCH - before noon. Pref by 11:30.
SNACK - a nutritious snack between 2 and 3PM to avoid the 3-5PM slump.
SUPPER - no later than 6 PM
BEFORE BED - have a couple bites of a high quality snack, protein, nuts. This helps to keep your glycogen reserves up so you are not awakened in the early hours of the morning (1-3). If your B/S drops really low, it may wake you.
BEDTIME - no later than 10:30.  If you're up much past this, your adrenals get to do a 2nd shift. NOT GOOD.

These things are a must to repair adrenals: Eat protein, good carbs and fat together. They all digest at different rates. Thus you are getting energy from each for hours, thus keeping your B/S at an even keel. Eat small meals/snacks frequently. Good healthy food. No junk. Keeping your blood sugar at an even level is very important. Can't stress this enough. If you don't, it taxes your adrenals because it has to produce more cotisol to even out your B/S.  

SALT - salt craving is a common symptom in all stages of A/F.  If you do not have high B/P, use sea salt. It is good for A/F.  It also helps restore some functions related to sodium loss within the cells. Some symptoms of A/F are caused by  your body's need for salt. Mix your sea salt half and half w/ kelp (if agreeable w/ your BT)

Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings)

PROTEIN: good quality protein is essential to A/F recovery.  They are easier to digest when eaten raw or lightly cooked. (unless it's poultry or for anyone who is still eating pork - GAK - then this should be fully cooked). Raw or lightly cooked eggs are easily digested as well. (Disclaimer: Eat raw eggs at your own risk). If you have trouble digesting protein, try some bromelain or digestive aid
(minus avoids )

SUGARY/STARCHY FOODS: These will rapidly raise your B/S only for it to drop to a low about an hour later. This is really hard on your system. It is necessary to keep your B/S as steady/stable/even as possible.  Eating refined grains creates nutritional bankruptcy. Your body has to either rob nutrients from itself or get them from a dif food source in order to metabolize energy from refined grain/foods. Nutrient deficiencies lead to impaired physiological function. This leads to the structural and pathological changes we know as chronic illness.



Pat, what book is this info from?


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I've started taking three Adrenal Assist v-caps (by Vitanica) each evening before bed. The bottle doesn't say when to take them and I already am taking quite a few other supps in the morning. I'm going to use up the bottle (one-month's worth) and see if I feel any difference.

*Each vegetarian suitable capsule includes: Vitamin C (as calcium ascorbate), Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxal-5-phosphate), Vitamin B5 (as calcium pantothenate), Magnesium (citrate, malate), Zinc (as picolinate), Rhodiola rosea extract ( 3% rosavins, 1% salidroside), Astragalus root, Maca, Ashwagandha extract (3.5% withanolides), Holy basil leaf extract (2.5% ursolic acid), Panax Ginseng extract (10% ginsenosides), Schizandra berry, Siberian Ginseng (20:1)  


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You're in good hands over here on this thread!    Italy has awakened several of us to our adrenal issues and I'm personally glad that she did!

You could hang anything dark over your window to make it dark at night, even if it's a temporary fix until you are able to work out a system you like.

The book Adrenal Fatigue is a must if you want to really educate yourself about your adrenals.  You can also follow the recommendations in Dr. D's book on Fatigue.



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Pat, what book is this info from?


Drea, all that info I posted is from the A/F: 21st century stress syndrome
BTW, Missy, I fixed the link for this book.   Thanks for letting me know it wasnt working.
Drea, that supp your on looks absolutely wonderful. May get some of that myself. There is some formula you can buy from the A/F book website, but haven't gotten that far. The thing that impressed me most about this supp (Adrenal Assist v-caps by Vitanica) is that the first ingred is Vit C. That is THE most important thing to take w/ A/F.  Just read that in the book.   Taking at least one at night is a good thing Drea, as night time is when our bodies do its repair work.  



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Where is a good place to get Vitamin C that doesn't contain avoids?


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Drea,
That does look like a good formula, and I'm taking all of those ingredients in various forms.  If you have any insomnia, it could be from the rhodiola and ginseng;  but your formula is well balanced, with holy basil, ashwaghanda and schizandra, which should be relaxing.  I love those herbs you are taking and they have helped me a lot!
And the vitamin C is something that I'm noticing a higher need for than I used to have.  I'm currently taking a minimum of 1,600 mg, and sometimes 1,800 mg/day, spread out between 3 meals.



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Missy,
I like Complex C by Mega-foods.  It may have avoids for type A (bell pepper).  This is my favorite.
There is also Tru-C BioComplex by Now company.

You can Google them both and compare ingredients.



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What's your opinion on taking just one month's supply? I mean, will I see any kind of improvement in only one month?

I'm not even sure if my adrenals are fatigued, except I have been under a bit of stress (well for a lot of 2006, anyway - it's much better in 2007), and I did gain 20 pounds in a couple of months. But other than that, I feel pretty good; though it's hard to know what's what since I have been supplementing and doing a bit more calming exercise than I did for most of last year. I guess having some tests done is a good step. At least I'll have something to benchmark against.


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What's your opinion on taking just one month's supply? I mean, will I see any kind of improvement in only one month?
I'm not even sure if my adrenals are fatigued, except I have been under a bit of stress (well for a lot of 2006, anyway - it's much better in 2007), and I did gain 20 pounds in a couple of months. But other than that, I feel pretty good; though it's hard to know what's what since I have been supplementing and doing a bit more calming exercise than I did for most of last year. I guess having some tests done is a good step. At least I'll have something to benchmark against.


One mth supply certainly won't hurt you. However if you really have adrenal issues, I doubt it'd do the job, so to speak.
Also, one thing to bear in mind, blood tests don't give you the truest results. For adrenals, saliva testing is much more accurate and much more expensive, as in ins doesn't pay for it. What's new eh?
Do you have an at-home blood pressure taker? If you do, you can take your blood pressure before you get out of bed, as in - have it on the table next to the bed so you aren't rousing yourself at all. Take it lying down, then stand up and re-take it. If your BP drops, that's a good indication you may have some A/F issues. If it doesn't, I still wouldn't discount not having issues. These days, w/ all of us doing much more than we really have time for , wouldn't be surprised if most people have A/F to some degree.

I use Pure Radiance. Janet found this some time ago. It does have black pepper as the last ingredient, but ............

Victoria, your increased need for Vit C is yet another indication of A/F. I just read the other day that Vit C is the most important supp needed for repairing the adrenals.



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Quote: Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings)

Oh this is so hard for me to see - I really can't eat bananas - aren't they a beneficial food for us O's?  I have a banana nearly every morning with some nuts.  And I don't notice shakiness after eating this.  Can I keep eating my bananas combined with almonds or walnuts?


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Quote: Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings) Oh this is so hard for me to see - I really can't eat bananas - aren't they a beneficial food for us O's?  I have a banana nearly every morning with some nuts.  And I don't notice shakiness after eating this.  Can I keep eating my bananas combined with almonds or walnuts?


I would really love to know the answer to this too. I had continued to eat bananas bcz my NP told me that didn't really apply to me as my adrenals were so toasted anyway. But I've had to give up all fruit because of candida. I think I'll try to email Dr Lam again and see what he has to  say.



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Yes, please let me know what you find out since I love bananas and many other fruits.  I mainly eat beneficial fruits only though.  


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well, bad news, his ask dr lam section is closed down due to an overwhelming amount of questions. ...



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Lisalea just posted this on another thread in re: to adrenal info. It looks very good for adrenal healing and is listed in one or both books I'm reading on the subject. �
I just wanted to add, in doing some further reading at some other sites, there are some cautions about the licorice root causing heart palpitations, etc. So if you choose to use it, proceed w/ caution and pay strict attn for anything unusual.  




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Drea,
That does look like a good formula, and I'm taking all of those ingredients in various forms.  If you have any insomnia, it could be from the rhodiola and ginseng;  but your formula is well balanced, with holy basil, ashwaghanda and schizandra, which should be relaxing.  I love those herbs you are taking and they have helped me a lot!
And the vitamin C is something that I'm noticing a higher need for than I used to have.  I'm currently taking a minimum of 1,600 mg, and sometimes 1,800 mg/day, spread out between 3 meals.


Hi Victoria,
I was wondering if u were taking Schizandra for liver maintenance
as well and where did u learn that it was B friendly ??

I came across this article and was wondering what the consensus
of my fellow BTD's is ...

A great big thank-u  


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Pat,
The more I read about AF, the more I think maybe that's part of my problem.  I definitely doze off in the evenings (fall asleep on the sectional) and then wake up at 11:30 or so raring to go.  I've always attributed my exhaustion to my thyroid problems (don't have one anymore, had it out in 1996 - tiny thyroid cancer from Xray treatment to my tonsils as a baby).
I drink a glass of grapefruit juice every morning.  I just seem to crave it.  Should I stop that?
I do need protein for breakfast.  I usually have eggs scrambled in ghee and then I put a little nutritional yeast on top.  I have a sliver of carrot and raisin manna bread with fresh almond butter and a drop of cranberry pepper preserves.  Keeps me going all morning.  At work I have some green tea with pomegranite or something like that.  It's 4 o'clock.  I had a salad for lunch with a small scoop of tuna and an O Bar for a snack.  I have pilates tonight.  Last week's class was a touch one and totally depleted me.
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Pat,The more I read about AF, the more I think maybe that's part of my problem. I definitely doze off in the evenings (fall asleep on the sectional) and then wake up at 11:30 or so raring to go. I've always attributed my exhaustion to my thyroid problems (don't have one anymore, had it out in 1996 - tiny thyroid cancer from Xray treatment to my tonsils as a baby).
I drink a glass of grapefruit juice every morning. I just seem to crave it. Should I stop that?
I do need protein for breakfast. I usually have eggs scrambled in ghee and then I put a little nutritional yeast on top. I have a sliver of carrot and raisin manna bread with fresh almond butter and a drop of cranberry pepper preserves. Keeps me going all morning. At work I have some green tea with pomegranite or something like that. It's 4 o'clock. I had a salad for lunch with a small scoop of tuna and an O Bar for a snack. I have pilates tonight. Last week's class was a touch one and totally depleted me.Jane


Jane, you very well could have A/F........have you looked at all the symptoms on Dr Lams site............www.drlam.com.........scroll to adrenal fatigue link and look at symptoms..........I had 27 of 29.     This does not only include what you are dealing w/ now, but also in the past............as it all adds up, it all counts.  
I would suggest at least having blood tests done. Saliva is much better, but if you cant afford that, then do the blood tests.  What time do you normally get up in the morning?
I dont know on the g/f juice Jane. I crave it too, but it gives me indigestion. My suggestion would be to stop it for a week and see if you feel any differently and then take it from there.
That really is not much protein for breakfast. You might want to add a bit of meat. You also might want to make that a bigger scoop of tuna for lunch. O's really need the protein. What time are you eating that Unibar?  I know they're supposed to be pretty much protein, but my body tends to treat it more like carbs.  
On your pilates..........what does a touch one mean............if it is making you THAT tired, you might wanna back off a bit.
I just cant stress enough for everyone to at least have their adrenals tested. Either my failing adrenals caused my failing heart or vice versa..........either way, it can kill ya and is nothing to play around with. It absolutely infuriates me that this DISEASE is so ignored by the med profession!!  
After you answer my quieries, I'll see what other info I can help you with  



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I meant to say tough, not touch!  Got a class tonight and I'm already prepared to tell the instructor that I'm going to do what I can and not push myself so hard.  There's a lot of 20 and 30 somethings in that class and this 62 year old can only TRY to keep up.  It's not worth feeling so depleted.  
I'll look at Dr. Lam's site.  I know my endocrinologist who is also a Ph'D in Chemistry thinks that AF is over diagnosed but I haven't specifically discussed it with him.  I have an appointment in a month or 2 and I'll do it then.
Thanks for your help!  That puppy is just so cute.  I do miss having a dog but I'm never home and training a puppy would be so hard at this stage.
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II know my endocrinologist who is also a Ph'D in Chemistry thinks that AF is over diagnosed


I would certainly have to disagree w/ him on that one.     I think it's not given enough attention. Anyone who has hypoglycemia and thyroid probs, not to mention prob a whole bunch of other connected things, has some adrenal issues. Poorly functioning thyroid, blood sugar issue, etc are symptoms of adrenal probs.  
Couple of things you didnt touch on.......dont know if you didnt want to or just missed them...........what time do you get up in the morning and what time do you eat the snack bar.  



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I have to get up at 6 and I don't have any trouble waking up, just actually getting up.  I like to take my time in the morning.  I have colitis too so having time in the morning is helpful.
I don't always have a Unibar.  I had it today about 2:30.  My problem is when I get home, staying away from the Pamela's rice cookies, etc.  I usually have a handful of nuts.  
Have to leave for the Pilates class I had a burger and some veggies for supper.  
Thanks for your help.  I need to do some research!
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I have to get up at 6 and I don't have any trouble waking up, just actually getting up.


wouldnt be surprised if your morning adrenal readings were low. Not a bit surprised.  



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Hm, this adrenal business...I'm gonna peek at Dr. Lam's info.....


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Hm, this adrenal business...I'm gonna peek at Dr. Lam's info.....


lots'a good info there  



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Hey Italy,
I think that the author of the Adrenal Fatigue book also has a website.  Could you remind me what his name is?



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