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Victoria
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I'm happy to see this thread up and running again!  

I had a real good handle on my fatigue issues until the holiday season rolled around.  I had signed up for my first Tai Chi class at the first of December and found it to be more strenuous than my body actually was ready for. . not that the movements were difficult, but my stamina was stretched too far by keeping it all going for an hour.  I didn't like thinking I wasn't capable of such a gentle exercise program, so I persisted (like a trooper, I thought).  I was not taking into account that I am recovering from "bone crushing fatigue", as Dr. D might describe it.

Then, my daughter came home for a couple of weeks on her winter break.  We stayed up late every night, talking, sharing, laughing, watching videos and in general, having a great time together.  I crashed, and have had diarrhea for the past two weeks.  I am tired all over again and I'm actually thankful for the reality check.  I'm back on the wagon with getting into bed earlier and staying in bed for 9 to 10 hours.  I'm canceling my Tai Chi class for now, and looking for a Qi Gung class, which I believe is more gentle and slow, and builds vitality.



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I don't think I could handle too much Tai Chi or tai kwon do, or much of anything like that for an hour either.  10 minutes,  yeah, not an hour.  Don't feel bad.  We can't all be triathletes.  And you have responsiblities that no one else can do.  Being a Mom, taking care of your house, etc etc.  Those are all important things and you can only do what you can only do.

I don't care if the rest of the world thinks we should have as much energy as Jim Carrey or not, you are special just the way you are.  


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When I take a tai chi class I am often really hungry afterward. It is amazingly strenuous and makes me quite sore, at least at first. It is supposed to help with bone density, especially of the legs, at least that is what the Chinese say.
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Yes, TJ is Drive55
I'm w/ Victoria ......... glad to see this thread around again. I too, had spent too many nights up late and spreading myself too thin in other areas. It's really hard sometimes to not be able to keep up w/ those around you. Then you push yourself to do so and wind up worse off than before. It's a hard lesson learned, but I have cut waaaaaaaay back on things. Some people not sa happy 'bout that, but...........I have to do what I have to do.  



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I don't think I could handle too much Tai Chi or tai kwon do, or much of anything like that for an hour either.  10 minutes,  yeah, not an hour.  Don't feel bad.  We can't all be triathletes.  And you have responsiblities that no one else can do.  Being a Mom, taking care of your house, etc etc.  Those are all important things and you can only do what you can only do.

I don't care if the rest of the world thinks we should have as much energy as Jim Carrey or not, you are special just the way you are.  


Thank you for these kind words!!  I do expect a lot from myself, and usually forget that I don't have the stamina that I used to have.  Most of the world is not patient with people who are dealing with fatigue . . . they don't understand.



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Yes, Chandon!  The movements appear so easy and fluid.  It gives a false impression that they are easy.  Not so!  It's an amazingly powerful work-out, and unlike practicing yoga, there are not the periods of rest between the poses.

Italy,
I know you understand what it feels like to have a set-back.  You are the person who first alerted me to adrenal fatigue.  If it weren't for you, I might still be trying to force myself to keep up a "normal" pace.  So I'm forever grateful!  



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Yes, formerly known as drive55!

I think IAP is more important in digesting grains/starches (?).
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Aaaaah.  That's probably correct.  


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I NEED HELP!!!

I am a 25/f, Type O, and I started the ER diet three months ago. I had done it before, and it had done wonders with my health and energy, but bad habits caught up with me and I dropped the ball. This time I completely gave up all of the "avoids" and created a well balanced diet with the beneficial/neutral foods.  Before I started the diet, I was having problems with fatigue, and I figured the diet would help (like last time).

However, three months into it (with the addition of exercise) and I feel awful. I feel so fatigued/ sleepy all of the time. It's hard for me to fall asleep, but after I do, I get about 9-10 hours of sleep and wake up feeling like it's not enough. I got muscle cramps after even the mildest exercise (walking to school), and I get winded when I do simple things like climb stairs. I feel like I should be the picture of perfect health: perfect diet, exercise, and vitamin supplements, but I just feel like I'm getting worse!

I have been to my primary doctor and she did a number of tests, ruling out heart and lung issues. My blood tests were "normal", with my TSH (thyroid level) at 2.67, and my glucose at an abnormally high 106 (fasting levels!). My other symptoms (other than fatigue) are constipation, minor bleeding between periods, muscle cramps, and a low body temperature (around 97.5+/- usually). I have the temperament and symptoms of depression (sadness, irritability, crying, inability of focus or concentrate), but something has to be causing it and the other symptoms too. All of these seem like thyroid issues, but according to my doc, my TSH level of 2.67 is normal. I've never had blood tests done before (always a very healthy gal), so I have no previous measurements to compare it with. And I can't get to an endo for more advanced thyroid function tests because they require a referral from a general practitioner.

With my diet and exercise, I feel like I should be doing so well. But something is wrong, and I can't figure it out. Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range? I'm going insane. I need energy to finish my school/degree!

Anyone with advice, please help. Thanks.
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Get some sun exposure, vitamin d has been very effective for me in times of depression, and is said to be so. Actualy it was very obvious that I needed to do so after reading about vitamin d because I used to close curtains in day to minimize sun's radiation damage and I was a homer but it was winter and I bought vitamin d on internet.

And for the adrenal fatigue test your blood pressure 2 times: first after laying on the ground for at least 5 minutes and second after raising up and standing immediately after you test your blood pressure while laying on ground.
Second blood pressure is optimally 10 points higher than the first. Adrenal fatigue is called for ones whose second blood pressure isn't higher.
I've read Dr Mercola suggesting adrenal glandulars once and it doesn't possess much risk. Adrenal Rebuilder is an example for such a treatment. B vitamins and especially panthotenic acid is often included in adrenal fatigue products. Ashwaganda and holy basil are helpful with stress and eleuthero and ginseng are helpful with energy. Such herbs aren't expensive on bulk.
You can make your own extracts with some alcohol and the herb mixing them together and waiting them preferably in a dark place for a day or more.

Good luck!
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I went for a walk yesterday in the sun.  For the 1st time since March my temperature went up to 98 deg F.  I think the sun did me some good.  That coupled with the reduction in caffeine the ND is making me do.  She’s having me drink Holy Basil tea every day.  

My washing machine was leaking water and when I went to clean up the mess I felt sick and had to stop.  My temperature dropped to 95.1 deg F at one point and I was feeling extremely fatigued, so I went to a ND on 3/26/10.  When I get bit or stung by a bug, my temperature drops.  I thought it might be my thyroid since thyroid problems run in my family.  Those levels came out normal.  Everything else from my blood test came out normal except for 2 items which were low, sodium and lymphocyte %.  She thought my high caffeine consumption was affecting my adrenals.  I have a follow up visit next Friday so I’ll ask her about the blood pressure testing procedure Onur suggested.

My new red washer & dryer came on Friday.  I took off Wednesday & Thursday to clean.  Even wearing a mask & gloves my temperature dropped to 95.8 deg F on Wednesday.  So on Thursday, my son took off of work and with the help of one of his friends thoroughly cleaned the laundry room.  


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Yeah less caffeine  in diet is suggested for adrenal insufficiency. Herbs that help with stress also help with sleeping but may make you too sleepy and energizing herbs can wake you up. Add some fresh veggies with vitamin c to your diet, preferably raw.
Ashwaganda is helpful with thyroid conditions also but can make you sleepy. One of the seaweed Dr Dadamo suggest is bladderwrack and another is kelp, they contain iodine. I bought bladderwrack on bulk from http://www.mountainroseherbs.com and add sometimes to my salads with a teaspoon.
Rhodiola rosea is another energizing waking up memory strengthening herb and its toxicity quite low. Some people just eat them and rosea can be the best choice to use that way. While extracting the herb is left in the cup.
I think a clean cut animal's glandulars can be eaten directly with some antibacterial food because I ate processed meat raw a few times with onion and nothing happened. Once I ate a piece of raw kidney after peeling the membrane without antibacterials and my left kidney jumped in its place for a few days, right one also jumped a few times. It must have been getting itself healed. Ovine sources are probably the best choice for glandulars and can be bought from a butcher as I did but it's better to eat antibacterial foods such as onion or garlic together with it. Homeopathic remedies are just glandulars cut and added into alcohol bases in clean environments and that kidney would have costed me enormously more if I had bought the homeopathic remedy.
Licorice can slow down break down of steroid hormones in liver.
This page http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/health-tips/diet-for-adrenal-fatigue.html explains diet changes for adrenal fatigue
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When are you getting your sleep?  I found that the one thing that helps the most with my adrenal fatigue is getting to bed early.  Pay careful attention to whenever you first get tired, and go to bed then, ASAP.  If you wait, you will get a "second wind", which is basically your adrenals working overtime to keep you going (since you didn't take the hint the first time ).  I typically retired around midnight or 1 am. When I started getting to bed around 9 or 10 pm, I quickly saw improvements.  Your time may vary.  You just have to pay attention.  It helps to stay away from bright lights, screens, and exertion for a couple hours before retiring, and you will need that extra help at first, getting used to going to bed earlier.
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I'm an explorer.  Although my blood type is A, i don't get exhausted in an overenergetic since.  I get more of what D'adamo says happens to hunters and this probably holds for explorers as well since they are both reactive genotypes:  i get a systemic burnout.  The exercise that normally is needed and craved becomes exhausting.  I sleep and wake up feeling drained.  
This happens when i get burnt out with a worry.  Most things roll off me, but some worries penetrate my shield and f me up a bit.  Listen to you body and what it wants.  Even when i'm burnt like this, my adrenals will keep me going when the need comes.
Do relaxation exercises for your mind and body.  It restores energy!  
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Just throwing this out there:

I have a friend that suffered from chronic fatigue for many, many years (10+ maybe). He went to a new ND and found out he had liver flukes.


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Yeah less caffeine  in diet is suggested for adrenal insufficiency. Herbs that help with stress also help with sleeping but may make you too sleepy and energizing herbs can wake you up. Add some fresh veggies with vitamin c to your diet, preferably raw.
Ashwaganda is helpful with thyroid conditions also but can make you sleepy. One of the seaweed Dr Dadamo suggest is bladderwrack and another is kelp, they contain iodine. I bought bladderwrack on bulk from http://www.mountainroseherbs.com and add sometimes to my salads with a teaspoon.
Rhodiola rosea is another energizing waking up memory strengthening herb and its toxicity quite low. Some people just eat them and rosea can be the best choice to use that way. While extracting the herb is left in the cup.
I think a clean cut animal's glandulars can be eaten directly with some antibacterial food because I ate processed meat raw a few times with onion and nothing happened. Once I ate a piece of raw kidney after peeling the membrane without antibacterials and my left kidney jumped in its place for a few days, right one also jumped a few times. It must have been getting itself healed. Ovine sources are probably the best choice for glandulars and can be bought from a butcher as I did but it's better to eat antibacterial foods such as onion or garlic together with it. Homeopathic remedies are just glandulars cut and added into alcohol bases in clean environments and that kidney would have costed me enormously more if I had bought the homeopathic remedy.
Licorice can slow down break down of steroid hormones in liver.
This page http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/health-tips/diet-for-adrenal-fatigue.html explains diet changes for adrenal fatigue


The seaweed that helps me pick up my energy best is Lavor Nori.  Somebody else in this forum suggested Rhodiola for a skin problem I had last year.  IT is also an adaptogenic herb like the Holy Basil the doctor suggested, so I added that to my regime.

I think I would gross out too much before I could down a raw kidney.

Licorice is recommended for B’s.  I need to remember to pick up some more tea.

Onur:  You seem so young to have adrenal fatigue issues.  What do you think caused it?

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When are you getting your sleep?  I found that the one thing that helps the most with my adrenal fatigue is getting to bed early.  Pay careful attention to whenever you first get tired, and go to bed then, ASAP.  If you wait, you will get a "second wind", which is basically your adrenals working overtime to keep you going (since you didn't take the hint the first time ).  I typically retired around midnight or 1 am. When I started getting to bed around 9 or 10 pm, I quickly saw improvements.  Your time may vary.  You just have to pay attention.  It helps to stay away from bright lights, screens, and exertion for a couple hours before retiring, and you will need that extra help at first, getting used to going to bed earlier.


I don’t know if you were talking to Erica or me, but advice on here helps all with this condition.  

Getting enough sleep is a major struggle for me.  I’ve managed to move up my bedtime from midnight to 11 PM.  When I travel east for work I have even more difficulty since I lose an hour.  I get up at 5:30 AM.  On weekends I wake up later and take a nap in the afternoon.


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Mine was 4-6 points higher if I remember right.

Reasons for adrenal insufficiency is damage to adrenal and/or pituitary by autoimmune diseases or sth. Or pituitary may be damaged due to neurotoxins such as fructose and sucrose. Autoimmune diseases can be prevented by following BTD.
Stressful lifestyle or too much caffeine can use adrenals and leave it insufficient.
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My eosinophils were abnormally high before I changed my diet. I also was a sugar lover before.
Adrenals are just over kidneys. I couldn't yet eat one, I couldn't find but I probably will in Antalya. Though it's not a serious problem to me now.

Visual disturbances such as blurred vision after turning your head away from sun is a sign of hypopituitarism. Hypopituitarism is lack of pituitary(in the center of brain) and its hormones. Lack of those hormones lessers signaling to adrenals to secrete adrenal hormones so they are better healed together.
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C45228.html
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C17669.html
signs, causes, symptoms,... of hypopituitarism and adrenal insufficiency.
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Thanks Onur.  I have my follow-up doc appointment in < hour.

You are lucky to have realized a healthy living style so young.  The excesses of my past have now caught up to me.  Pre-BTD, I drank Pepsi all day long.  Then I switched to Water Joe (Spring Water & caffeine).  It weaned me off the Pepsi, but I drink it to excess also.  In my college days I smoked 3-1/2 packs of cigarettes a day.  I used Nicorette gum to wean me off that but now I’m addicted to the gum.  This week I took ½ my allotment and switched from 4 mg to 2 mg.

Stress – I’ve definitely had my share of that.

The only sugar my 26 yr old son consumes is in an occasional bottle tea, enhanced water, or juice.  He is an herbal tea fan.  He consumes very little green tea and no coffee or soft drinks.  He only gets Chinese food from places that will make it without MSG.

Unfortunately, young people like you, Eric & my son are the eating exceptions.  


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mine too!!!

hope you feel better soon RL!


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When are you getting your sleep?  I found that the one thing that helps the most with my adrenal fatigue is getting to bed early.  Pay careful attention to whenever you first get tired, and go to bed then, ASAP.  If you wait, you will get a "second wind", which is basically your adrenals working overtime to keep you going (since you didn't take the hint the first time ).  I typically retired around midnight or 1 am. When I started getting to bed around 9 or 10 pm, I quickly saw improvements.  Your time may vary.  You just have to pay attention.  It helps to stay away from bright lights, screens, and exertion for a couple hours before retiring, and you will need that extra help at first, getting used to going to bed earlier.


This is one aspect I really struggle with.  I sometimes think it's a BTD thing, but that may just be a cop out.  My mom and daughter both seem to be natural early to be early to rise.  My daughter did it instinctively since she was born.  My son and I on the other hand, like to stay up all evening.  I have a hard time getting to bed at 11 or 11:30 for that matter.  It's usually midnight.  I'll be good for a bit, like a day or two, and then regress.  It doesn't help that I'm usually having my largest meal between 10 and 11.  I'm telling you, that grain I eat at the end of the day, really makes me feel right.  But I end up eating it when you are already sleeping.  hehehehe


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weew great advices here since 2006......

today I was forced to see a colleague of mine and yup my overactive bladder problem is due to adrenal f. ...so I'm in there too....very öööd  
I do take wild yams since a longer while and also menopausal helpers but it seems that all those symptoms are coz of my drained adrenals.....

ok so I've to slow down and become a brave (odd mid-fith gazelle ... oum oops I think I fear old age comeing.....


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I am happy to see this thread reactivated.

One thing I have been wondering about is whether AF, if left untreated, can eventually become Addison's Disease.  Does anyone know?




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addisosn's disease is merely coz of underfunctional hypothalamus and related to weightloss too..... this isn't the case in adrenal fatigue due to stress- here you might have a certain weightloss but also the contrary.... you are unable to loose any weight !!! Symptoms are different... all beautifully described in Wikipedia


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