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What type of doctor would you see for testing or treatment?

If there are no holistic or naturopathic options in your area, would an endocrinologist be able to at least test for it?  

Early to bed and early to rise is part of our religion, unfortunately it's part my kids don't quite understand yet!  


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Quoted from Melissa_J
What type of doctor would you see for testing or treatment?
If there are no holistic or naturopathic options in your area, would an endocrinologist be able to at least test for it?


I think you might even be able to do it yourself from the website I provided, but you have to have someone who knows how to read and treat , from there.  And actually knows what they are doing. There is a tough one. How do you really know?



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I welcome this enquiry into Adrenal Fatigue, and I don't believe a regular doctor will diagnose it. They might say, "you're just fatigued, go get some rest." I know my docs at Kaiser never thought along those lines. It takes a naturopathic type doc, a chiro, or acu....to the best of my understanding (I forgot Italybound's acronym, dang!) and the Dr. Lam site is very good, and check out Dr. Shcwartzbein's books....
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IB,
how about putting on some ear plugs to sleep without being awakened by external noises?

this has helped me get in more hours of sound sleep nights.


and also; what is every ones opinion on the famous 'siesta'?
I have never been able to do it, but would it be wise for those who get the 3 to 5 pm slump?


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Have you ever communicated or counseled directly with Dr. Lam?  



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yes, siesta seems to be very restoring to some........

you could try closing your eyes when the pm slump hits........provided you fall asleep when you go to bed early at night.


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Quoted from jayney-O
I welcome this enquiry into Adrenal Fatigue, and I don't believe a regular doctor will diagnose it. It takes a naturopathic type doc, a chiro, or acu....to the best of my understanding (I forgot Italybound's acronym, dang!).


jayney-O, I have to agree about most reg drs not diagnosing A/F.  For one thing, Im not aware of any pharmaceutical remedy for it, which then knocks its importance to the bottom of the totem pole, IMHO.
My acronym is FWIU (from what I understand) 

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IB,how about putting on some ear plugs to sleep without being awakened by external noises?
and also; what is every ones opinion on the famous 'siesta'?
I have never been able to do it, but would it be wise for those who get the 3 to 5 pm slump?


Been there and its not help. I can hear things thru the ear plugs (and they are in as well as they possibly can be, believe me), w/ the noise maker on unless I have it turned up annoyingly loud. So thats not an option either.
Re: a siesta as someone else eluded, it prob depends on the person. My NP said it would be ok to have a 20 min nap but not longer and I would tend to agree, for me anyway. I have had to take a 20 min nap during this time to make the trip home safely. It doesnt effect my sleeping at night. The thing that effects that is my big watchdog () barking or my DH rummaging around in the kitchen.

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Italy,Have you ever communicated or counseled directly with Dr. Lam?  


No, I haven't.     I am very interested in  this Neuroscience testing that funkeymuse mentioned, tho. I'm going to talk to my NP about it. Right after I look in to it. I'd like to have as many facts as I can understand before I approach him w/ it.



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what do the adrenastim and the calm contain?

could you write the ingredients down for us?


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what do the adrenastim and the calm contain? could you write the ingredients down for us?


Lola, you can go to this website and click on the products. The Calm shows the ingred but the Stim does not. Weird. Will try to get more info tomorrow. I HAVE to get in bed, my window to get in it before my 2nd round of adrenal action kicks in is fast approaching.   Nighty night.  




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thanks IB!
sweet dreams!


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Well, wanted to go to bed but started reading the A/F book and had to get on and tell about what I read (Victoria, wherrrrrrre are you???? )

EATING - for the person who gets up around 6AM or so.

BREAKFAST - ALWAYS eat breakfast by 10 AM - between cortisol being at it's highest around 8 AM and the low liver function that goes hand in hand w/ A/F, you may not feel hungry. You may even feel an aversion to food. Eat anyway. Always include protein. It's very important.
LUNCH - before noon. Pref by 11:30.
SNACK - a nutritious snack between 2 and 3PM to avoid the 3-5PM slump.
SUPPER - no later than 6 PM
BEFORE BED - have a couple bites of a high quality snack, protein, nuts. This helps to keep your glycogen reserves up so you are not awakened in the early hours of the morning (1-3). If your B/S drops really low, it may wake you.
BEDTIME - no later than 10:30. If you're up much past this, your adrenals get to do a 2nd shift. NOT GOOD.

These things are a must to repair adrenals: Eat protein, good carbs and fat together. They all digest at different rates. Thus you are getting energy from each for hours, thus keeping your B/S at an even keel. Eat small meals/snacks frequently. Good healthy food. No junk. Keeping your blood sugar at an even level is very important. Can't stress this enough. If you don't, it taxes your adrenals because it has to produce more cotisol to even out your B/S.

SALT - salt craving is a common symptom in all stages of A/F. If you do not have high B/P, use sea salt. It is good for A/F. It also helps restore some functions related to sodium loss within the cells. Some symptoms of A/F are caused by your body's need for salt. Mix your sea salt half and half w/ kelp (if agreeable w/ your BT)

Avoid foods high in potassium, especially bananas and dried figs. No fruit or fruit juices in the morning. A sure sign of A/F is increased shakiness or fatigue after a high fruit breakfast. (My note - this holds true for me if I have a high grain breakfast such as cereal - even if it is compliant grain - I need protein in the mornings)

PROTEIN: good quality protein is essential to A/F recovery. They are easier to digest when eaten raw or lightly cooked. (unless it's poultry or for anyone who is still eating pork - GAK - then this should be fully cooked). Raw or lightly cooked eggs are easily digested as well. (Disclaimer: Eat raw eggs at your own risk). If you have trouble digesting protein, try some bromelain or digestive aid
(minus avoids )

SUGARY/STARCHY FOODS: These will rapidly raise your B/S only for it to drop to a low about an hour later. This is really hard on your system. It is necessary to keep your B/S as steady/stable/even as possible. Eating refined grains creates nutritional bankruptcy. Your body has to either rob nutrients from itself or get them from a dif food source in order to metabolize energy from refined grain/foods. Nutrient deficiencies lead to impaired physiological function. This leads to the structural and pathological changes we know as chronic illness.

Lesson over. . To be cont'd at a later date.
NOW I must get in bed. Don't want to do a 2nd shift.  
Nighty nite all!!    



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thanks! IB!


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Thought I'd post the Adrenal Recovery Soup recipe:

16 oz green beans
1 C chopped celery
1 zucchini sliced
1 med onion, chopped
1 C tomato juice
1 C. clean water
2 T raw honey
1 t. paprika
1 C chicken broth
pepper to taste
Combine ingred, simmer for 1 hour or until veggies are tender.

Substitute for your blood type.


More from the book: eat at least 3 brightly colored veggies w/ noon and evening meals. Using different techniques allows different nutrients to be avail.  Example: Vit C and folic acid don't survive heat.  Some other vit and mins (such as the carotenoids - Vit A related substances) become more available if cooked.
Seaweed and compliant sprouts - way up on the good food chart for AF.
Eat organic when possible and always wash produce w/ either a veg wash or the bleach water concoction on this site somewhere. Sorry don't have that info.





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I woke up this morning thinking about this thread on Adrenal Fatigue!  So I'm glad to find that you have revved it back up again, Italy!    Isn't that a good book???  I love it, and it is so user friendly and easy to understand.  I have lent out the copy that I checked out from the library, and find myself spotting signs of adrenal fatigue everywhere I look.  It gives me something else to speculate on besides what people's blood types are!

I'm noticing a few signs that I'm getting back on my feet again.  Little signs, like my eyes actually opened this morning, feeling bright and somewhat clear.  I still have an energy slump in the middle of the afternoon, but it's not quite as bad as it used to be.  Also my hair has stopped falling out.  YAY!

My biggest problem is that I cannot fall asleep at 10 pm or even 10:30 pm.  I am trying to stay up until 10:45 pm and that helps a little because I find that I am asleep within 10 minutes instead of lying in bed for 1/2 hour and getting frustrated.  But I'm staying in bed long enough in the morning until my body naturally starts waking me up, which is between 8 and 9:30 am.  So I get a minimum of 9 hours in bed and often 10 on the weekend.  Just getting enough down time has been profound!



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I woke up this morning thinking about this thread on Adrenal Fatigue!  So I'm glad to find that you have revved it back up again, Italy!    Isn't that a good book???  I love it, and it is so user friendly and easy to understand.  I have lent out the copy that I checked out from the library, and find myself spotting signs of adrenal fatigue everywhere I look.


Yes, it's a great book and I'm not even all the way thru it. Reading too many books at once. .         And yes, once you are aware of AF, you can see it everywhere.
And since we know the drs aren't going to help them, then it's our duty right?  

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I'm noticing a few signs that I'm getting back on my feet again.  Little signs, like my eyes actually opened this morning, feeling bright and somewhat clear.  I still have an energy slump in the middle of the afternoon, but it's not quite as bad as it used to be.  Also my hair has stopped falling out.  YAY!


Well I have to say I'm happy you are making some progress but I'm jealous my hair is still falling out.    I know it will get better w/ time. Maybe when I get my DHEA, which I hope is tomorrow, that will resolve.

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My biggest problem is that I cannot fall asleep at 10 pm or even 10:30 pm.  I am trying to stay up until 10:45 pm and that helps a little because I find that I am asleep within 10 minutes instead of lying in bed for 1/2 hour and getting frustrated.  But I'm staying in bed long enough in the morning until my body naturally starts waking me up, which is between 8 and 9:30 am.  So I get a minimum of 9 hours in bed and often 10 on the weekend.  Just getting enough down time has been profound!  


Are you taking magnesium at night? If you can get to bed before 11, you might be ok. Then again, maybe you need to be getting to bed before 10. If you're feeling too wide awake, you might already be in your 2nd shift phase.       You might have to toy around w/ the timeframe a bit, as it seems you already are.    It's a lot to figure out, even w/ some help. If you continue having trouble getting to sleep, I can give you the name of the homeopathic stuff my NP gave me for that.




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I was looking around this morning for foods to avoid when in adrenal exhaustion. In adrenal fatigue, I see foods high in potassium should be avoided. I'm told in my case, this doesn't apply.         Yet in some info, I read to eat potassium rich foods, but avoid foods high in sodium.   I ran across some info on adrenals, just thought I'd post. I really urge anyone who even suspects adrenal problems to get tested and address the issue. It really is nothing to play around with.  


This is a page of articles re: adrenals

So much conflicting info.          Must get a really and truly good explanation from my NP re: foods for each stage.  My big medical book produced no info on this at all.  




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thanks for the heads up IB!


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Italy,
I like the way you explained it once, that first you need to wake up the adrenals and give them a boost, and then you need to calm them down and give them a rest so they don't overwork.  I've been trying to work with that principle in my own program.
First I took DHEA in a very small amount, 4 or 5 days a week, or so.
Adrenal extract
siberian ginseng
extra B complex
ashwaghanda
panthethine

All these in the am only.  And I made a point of spending a minumum of 9 hours in bed every night.  Usually 9 1/2 to 10 hours, and getting in bed no later than 10:45 pm.  After a couple of weeks, I stopped the DHEA, and picked up Pregnenelone,
Holy Basil at noon and evening
GABA in the pm
Bupleurum and Dandelion root to support my liver.

I continue to sleep 9 to 10 hours a night.  Hair loss is still stopped.  Afternoon fatigue is still there, but still less than it used to be.  I am sleeping better than before.  Dealing now with the blues.  (Maybe a kickback from stopping the DHEA).



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Oh, and I am also continuing to bounce on my Rebounder!  
And drinking a lot of water.
And really trying to stop thoughts that lead to anxiety or worry, before they get that far!



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Italy, I like the way you explained it once, that first you need to wake up the adrenals and give them a boost, and then you need to calm them down and give them a rest so they don't overwork.


Yes, at first I was    when he said he wanted me to stop the AdrenalStim. But when he explained (if I may make my own analogy here) he was just giving them 'a kick in the pants' since they'd really been sleepin' on the job and now that hopefully they're back to light duty, he doesn't want to overwork them and put them on permanent workmen's comp. .    Then it made sense and I was good w/ stopping the AdrenaStim.  One less thing to take or deal with!! Yea!!!!!

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After a couple of weeks, I stopped the DHEA, and picked up Pregnenelone


He did the opposite w/ me.  I was doing 10 drops of Pregnenelone - 3 times a day - morning, mid day and bedtime.   One bottle. Now he has me on DHEA - one half dropper full 2 times a day. Once in the morning and once around noon or so.  Can't say that is what you need to be doing, tho.  Wish you'd had some saliva testing done too. However, you seem to be really in tune w/ what you take and how it's helping, so maybe you are doing it the right way, I don't know.  I know Pregnenelone is a precursor to progesterone, but not sure where the DHEA comes in, tho I can tell you by Monday, I will.  I plan to have my nose in my big medical book a good part of this weekend. I want to KNOW how these things work and not just rely on someone else to tell me. Been burned too many times going that route, tho I do have to say this NP has always been honest. If he doesn't know or isn't sure, he always says so, as far as I know. .

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Afternoon fatigue is still there, but still less than it used to be.  I am sleeping better than before.  Dealing now with the blues.  (Maybe a kickback from stopping the DHEA).


Weren't you taking the Progest E before?  How much of the Pregnenelone did you take before switching to DHEA? My NP did tell me I'd go thru some dif things while my adrenals repaired. He of course being the smart guy he is, did not say what. Nothing like the power of suggestion, eh?


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Oh, and I am also continuing to bounce on my Rebounder!  
And drinking a lot of water.
And really trying to stop thoughts that lead to anxiety or worry, before they get that far!


Will be setting up my Rebounder tomorrow and will prob read my big med book while bouncing. Yeah, right.            I, too, am drinking lots of water, getting my 9+ hours of sleep. I have never been so sure of having the proper amount of sleep at night as I am now. Nor did I know. As they say, knowledge is power    and never have I believed that to be more true than since coming to learn about BTD and all the wonders I've learned since. Did that make sense? Too tired, should be in bed.         Re: anxiety, I am really trying to do the same - I have pretty much made up my mind that I'm not going to stress over things that really aren't worth stressing over. I can very easily do that and have done plenty of that in the past. I know I can't afford to do that anymore. This is one of the reasons I decided to do the antib's, as much as I have fought it over the past week and a half. I felt that being in a constant state of half to full fledged bronchitis and sinus infections, was prob putting more stress on my system than just taking the dang things and cleaning up after.

Found this info on DHEA while tooling around the 'net today.




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Well, it looks like I'm going to have to start reading these threads after my new doc just diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue.  

I'm now on progesterone creme and back to following the BTD closely and will be starting back working out slowly.  What is the next thing I should start.  I often take naps on the couch in the evening before actually going to bed, but I would bet that's not very good for me is it?  


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Well, it looks like I'm going to have to start reading these threads after my new doc just diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue. �
I'm now on progesterone creme and back to following the BTD closely and will be starting back working out slowly. �What is the next thing I should start. �I often take naps on the couch in the evening before actually going to bed, but I would bet that's not very good for me is it? �


Sorry to hear this, Missy.
And no, �naps in the evening are not a good thing. � � The best thing you can do for rest is be in bed by 9:30 or abouts. Make sure you are taking plenty of Vit C also.
Have a look at these books also, especially the adrenal one. I want to post some more info out of that when I get the chance. �

Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L Wilson


Lights Out: �Sleep, Sugar and Survival by T. S. Wiley

Sleeping in a totally dark room is really helpful.


Also important, drinking enough water. A good book is Your Bodies Many Cries for Water by �Fereydoon Batmanghelidj






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We are usually in bed by 11pm - so 9:30 will be an adjustment.  Maybe I can shoot for 10pm to start with and then slowly get used to 9:30.  I'm definately tired by then but am usually zonked out on the couch and then wake up just long enough to get ready for bed and go to bed, but then I find sometimes it's hard to fall back to sleep.  Is that my body trying to rev up for it's second wind like I've been reading about?  
Also, my bedroom is never completely dark - what's the best thing to do about this?

One thing I have in my favor is I'm really good about drinking water - I could maybe increase it some, but I do have that habit down well.  


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We are usually in bed by 11pm - so 9:30 will be an adjustment. Maybe I can shoot for 10pm to start with and then slowly get used to 9:30. I'm definately tired by then but am usually zonked out on the couch and then wake up just long enough to get ready for bed and go to bed, but then I find sometimes it's hard to fall back to sleep. Is that my body trying to rev up for it's second wind like I've been reading about?
Also, my bedroom is never completely dark - what's the best thing to do about this?
One thing I have in my favor is I'm really good about drinking water - I could maybe increase it some, but I do have that habit down well.


Once you're up to 11 or around then, yes, your adrenals are kicking in for the 2nd time that day. It is extremely bad for that to happen. It's like they're doing 2 days work in one. I know I was guilty, guilty, guilty of this and I was getting up at 4AM  
Not anymore. I'm in bed no later than 9 and sleep til 6 now.  
I bought some black material (make sure you can't see thru it) and put it on my windows behind my curtains ( from the street all you see is black). I took all clocks and anything else out of my room that emits light. The Lights Out book explains all this and more and is a very good book. Thanks once again to John (resting)
Don't overdo the water Missy, as FWIU you can drink too much and mess up your electrolytes.  
Hope things will turn around for you quickly. We want you to be full of energy for the new baby  




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Thanks - that's what my new doc said too - she wants me to be able to have energy for our new baby as well and knows I won't be able to the way I'm doing right now.  

What about if I can't get the black material for our windows right away - would anything else help?  

Oh and your link to Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L Wilson
didn't work for some reason.  


Blessings,
Missy

Married to Kris a B+
Pursuing domestic infant adoption.
Jordan Alexandra - born 5/12/08
Placed in our arms - 5/21/08

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