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It has been suggested by several knowledgeable people on the Forum that the evening meal should be the one where you get your carbs, and especially for you O's, the morning should be the time when you stock up on protein.  Carbs at night can help with sleep.  I'm not referring to fruits and sugars, but rather good carbs such as sweet potatoes, or your favorite grains.



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Hey Drive, I'm glad you brought this up - I wasn't sure if it was my computer or the thread!!  Very hard to read  


Victoria - so maybe I need to add more carbs to the evening meal?  Obviously low GI allowable ones   

The only thing is that I seem to need protein regularly to keep my blood sugar stable (Hypoglycaemia) and stave off the cravings.


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My suggestions for night-time heart racing:  Rescue Remedy; no dessert; check to see if you're allergic to something you're eating.  This can cause your heart to race while your body is trying to metabolize it.  If your pulse is 20 beats/min. faster than usual (take your pulse, resting, before you eat and after you eat and then when you feel it racing), it's an indicator that you're allergic to something.


Thanks for the info Ribbit, I'm pretty sure I have some rescue remedy lying around somewhere  

No dessert??   only kidding  


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Victoria - so maybe I need to add more carbs to the evening meal?  Obviously low GI allowable ones   

The only thing is that I seem to need protein regularly to keep my blood sugar stable (Hypoglycaemia) and stave off the cravings.


Having some carbs in the evening does not mean that you can't eat protein.  I don't advise eating carbs without protein anyway.  My evening meal is usually some kind of fish or turkey with sweet potato.  I eat red meat with assorted green/multi-colored vegetables for my mid-day meal.



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Quoted from Victoria
CazB,It has been suggested by several knowledgeable people on the Forum that the evening meal should be the one where you get your carbs, and especially for you O's, the morning should be the time when you stock up on protein.


True, but for some w/ blood sugar issues, a little protein right before bed helps them to sleep thru the night.  



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"I feel sleep deprived but I've felt like that for 8 years!  
I usually am pretty tired by 8:30pm or so,.. if I go to bed early......I get woken up by what's happening in the house and I get grumpy and agitated then  
Anyway, I'm gonna have to talk to the hubby and see if we can arrange earlier bedtimes - wish me luck  "


I really feel for ya! The first year I was married, my husband snored all night......I'm a light sleeper..........you can imagine what kinds of nights that made for us. Me being constantly awakened, me trying to roll him over.......both our sleep being interrupted. I was like a zombie after a year of that, and like you say.........grumpy. To the point I was starting to 'hate' him.    That was just my body crying for sleep tho.    So separate bedrooms it was. We both sleep sooooo much better now. Unconventional perhaps, but it works well for us.  So I really understand where you are coming from and I hope he'll agree to earlier bedtimes so you can get the rest you truly need.

I deal w/ this most mornings. My bedroom is right next to the bathroom and only about 10 ft from the kitchen. Earplugs are okay sometimes, but I can't use them all the time. They start bothering my ears. They do nothing to block out the snoring.    My DH is sooooooooo good at snoring that earplugs and a noisy fan (white noise) do no good. I have used the highest decibel blocking plugs out there too. They might be of some help to you tho. IF you could stand to use them all the time.

I have been looking thru a few of the Health Series books, comparing   how the foods have gone from one 'category' to another, from BTD to the other (not me, I'm not saying it on this forum   you fill in the blank ).  If you are trying to target one specific disease,     the  dif in the food categories makes no sense. This is the reason I really really would like to see the book on  the Adrenals. Right now, all the 'confusion' over what I SHOULD be eating is almost enough to make me throw in the towel altogether. It's just becoming  a hairpuller.            


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Well, it looks like rhodiola is not going to be easy to get here.  The HFS was helpful but not hopeful!!  I'm gonna try google.

Went to see my ND, she is getting me to do a Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis before prescribing anything.  Anyone else had one of these done and was it informative??

Sleep has not been easy to get lately.  Our 2 dogs have been on a barking binge.  And my hubby (recently diagnosed as a "skinny, mild sleep apnic") has a cold, so you can imagine the interesting noises he's been making while sleeping  

Gotta get some sleep......somehow.


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Sleep has not been easy to get lately.  Our 2 dogs have been on a barking binge.  And my hubby (recently diagnosed as a "skinny, mild sleep apnic") has a cold, so you can imagine the interesting noises he's been making while sleeping  Gotta get some sleep......somehow.


I feel for ya! My lab/chow mix gets on his kick sometimes. Sometimes for nights in a row. Sometimes I get up and put him in the garage (after 3 or 4 hours - you know, so tired you just don't want to get up). My hubby has sleep apnea too, snores like a freight train, I'm a VERY light sleeper. We have separate bedrooms. We both sleep really well now. Even tho he thought he was sleeping well before, not having me rolling him over has to afford him more and better sleep. Hope you can find a workable solution. My heart goes out to anyone who isn't getting good sleep. {{{HUGS}}}



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I've been out of touch for a while but my ND had me take Eleuthro root for mild AF. I took it in the morning and afternoon and it helped with my afternoon slumps. He also gave me something else to take before bed to prevent the "monkey-mind" that would wake and keep me up in the middle of the night. The trade name was called PS-500 or something--I'll have to check the bottle for the full name. I didn't find it helped much and it was quite spendy so I didn't get more. I do like to use Rescue Remedy when I have trouble getting to sleep. Unfortunately (and also fortunately), I have added pregnancy to the mix. Now I wake up for potty trips and to try to get comfortable (can't sleep on my back anymore!). The fact that my DD is obsessed with Schoolhouse Rocks and I can't get the adjectives and interjections songs out of my head at night doesn't help either!

Back to the earlier question about exercise, I've found that since I've begun a regular exercise program again (nothing too strenuous--just walking and a Pilates-type program), I'm sleeping better at night and have more energy and a better attitude throughout the day. I think because exercise helps with stress, it helps with the adrenal problem I had--my ND feels I lowered my cortisol baseline by overreacting to stressors and totally depleting my cortisol stores instead of just dipping into them as needed and keeping my baseline normal. So I'm all for exercise!


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Well, it looks like rhodiola is not going to be easy to get here.  The HFS was helpful but not hopeful!!


I had great success with Pure Encapsulations Emotional Wellness Formula.  But you might not be able to order it online.  It's not just Rhodiola.  It has other helpful ingredients, too.

I've tried two other products, which I don't have links for at the moment.  One works fine.  It's a 100mg dose per capsule.  The other, which is 325mg (or so), was not at all fine.  I'll try to get links for you, or at least brand names.



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Hi CazB,

I know where you can get rhodiola fairly easily - PM me and I'll give you the store details.  It is hard to get in Australia!

I've had the Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis done and it was really helpful.  Make sure that you get it interpreted by your ND/Doctor as well.  It can offer some really interesting insights.  The other thing to ask about is salivary hormone testing.  ARL Pathology do it within Australia.


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Hi everyone, well I finally got the results from my Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis and the results were significant.  I am at the moment a Fast Metaboliser Type 4, which my naturopath tells me means I have gone beyond Adrenal Exhaustion and heading for Chronic Fatigue and it's been over a prolonged time.

My iron stores are VERY low, the lowest she's seen in a long time.  

There are other things too but the most important and the things we are going to work on straight away are: Adrenals, low thyroid function and iron levels.

Hey Italy, you have very similar symptoms to me, can you get one of these done?  The results are fairly comprehensive and enable the naturopath to treat you with greater accuracy.

Here's to starting to feel better soon  


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.. beyond Adrenal Exhaustion ....we are going to work on straight away are: Adrenals, low thyroid function and iron levels...Hey Italy, you have very similar symptoms to me, can you get one of these done?


sorry your results were so    but at least you know what to do to help yourself now. If you wouldn't mind, would you post or PM me w/ what your ND is going to put you on.
I had a hair analysis done last year, that's how he found that my adrenal exhaustion (worse actually) was caused by copper toxicity. He found the adrenal 'exhaustion' by salivary testing. It showed one (DHEA or cortisol) was in the failure stage and the other right behind. I'm redoing the hair analysis today.  Hopefully will know something in a week or so.
thanks for posting.   Hope your ND will have you feeling some better soon. When the adrenals are really bad, it's a long road back.  




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Can you talk a bit more about the hair tissue analysis?  Was it expensive?  Do you have to see an nd to have it done?  Thanks, sounds
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Caz,
I'd love to see your protocol also!  

It's alarming to get those kind of results, but knowledge is power!  I love to get a handle on anything that I can sink my teeth into which will improve my health and wellbeing.  Now you can begin to improve your life, armed with real sound techniques.



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First for Paulam, I will quote some stuff from the brochure I have regarding HTMA.

"Mineral concentrations in the hair can provide a reliable indicator of mineral stores in the whole body.  If your health, diet or environment has created a mineral imbalance or toxic mineral excess, it will be recorded in the hair shaft.  Research has shown that hair mineral levels reflect stored mineral levels in other body tissues."

"Why not test blood?

Measuring the mineral content of blood gives a good indication of the minerals being transported around the body.  However, it can not accurately measure the minerals is tissue.  

Very often, the body's homeostatic mechanisms maintain proper serum mineral concentrations at the expense of tissue concentrations.  Unfortunately, correct serum levels often mask both mineral excesses and deficiencies in tissue mineral concentrations.  For example:- Iron deficiency symptoms are present long before low serum iron levels are detected, because the body depletes stored iron in order to maintain normal serum iron levels."

I had to send in half a gram of hair from the nape of my neck.  It has to be cut very close to the scalp to reflect the most recent metabolic activity and can only be no more than 4cm long.  (in other words I have lots of little spiky patches on the bottom half of my scalp!!)  The hair needs to be clean, well-rinsed, untreated (eg. dandruff shampoos) and uncoloured.

It cost me $120AUS, the naturopath gets a comprehensive technical report, and I get one in "laymens terms".  I have to do another one in 4mths time to see what changes have happened and what changes need to happen to my protocol.

I think you need a naturopath to help with supplements and they are experienced in interpreting these things.

I am SOOOO glad I had this done!


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For Italy and Victoria,

Although I had many things going on (many mineral deficiencies) we are only treating adrenals, thyroid and iron at the moment.  She also wanted to keep it as simple as possible because I am not coping with life in general ATM.

The supplements I am on are as follows:

Metagenics Stressan it contains - Bupleurum, Pinellia, Gambir, Poria, Cinnamon, Chinese jujube, Baical skullcap, Panax ginseng, Ginger, Hydroxyapatite and oyster shell - This is for the adrenals, I take 3 before bed.

Magnesium Complete - one with dinner, one before bed.

Vitamin E 500IU - one with breakfast

BioCeuticals Iron Sustain it contains among other things 20mg of iron as amino acid chelate - she said not to take iron as iron sulphate because this is what causes constipation. I take one with breakfast and one with dinner.

Mega B - this is a B complex.  She said I need to have 150-200mg of both B5 and B6 per day.

Algotene capsules (Dunaliella salina) This is a "soft wall" algae that is absorbed much better than spirulina.  It is for my thyroid (contains iodine). One with brekky one with dinner.

Ashwagandha (Withania Somnifera) - For the adrenals, one with brekky.

She is ordering a liquid mineral supplement for me.

I also MUST take Betaine HCL with my supplements to help with digestion and uptake. (yes, even though I'm a type O!!  My body is not doing what it should be ATM) Also if I succumb to the evil grains it must not be anywhere near when I take my supplements.

She has also given me a pea protein isolate powder to have with soy milk in the morning.

Dietary-wise I have to eliminate grains as much as possible.  No black tea because it interferes with iron.  Lots of protein and vegies.  Basically the Type O diet (she follows the BTD  )


Exercise-wise she said it probably ain't gonna happen at the moment - my adrenals and thyroid are basically kaput - and it may even be detrimental - just for now.

She wants to see me in 4wks time to "tweak" things.



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Although I had many things going on (many mineral deficiencies) we are only treating adrenals, thyroid and iron at the moment. that's good.......too much at once is counter productive.
The supplements I am on are as follows:
Metagenics Stressan it contains - Bupleurum, Pinellia, Gambir, Poria, Cinnamon, Chinese jujube, Baical skullcap, Panax ginseng, Ginger, Hydroxyapatite and oyster shell - This is for the adrenals, I take 3 before bed.
Magnesium Complete - one with dinner, one before bed.
Vitamin E 500IU - one with breakfast be careful not to over supplement here - it is not advised for O's to supp w/ E but that does not take into account for adrenal exhaustion. Just one more reason I'd like to see an Adrenal Health Series Book.
BioCeuticals Iron Sustain it contains among other things 20mg of iron as amino acid chelate - she said not to take iron as iron sulphate because this is what causes constipation. I take one with breakfast and one with dinner.
Mega B - this is a B complex.  She said I need to have 150-200mg of both B5 and B6 per day.I think you could do w/ a lot more B5, but she is your ND, so you have to trust her judgement. However, if you don't see improvement after a while, you might ask about upping this.
Algotene capsules (Dunaliella salina) This is a "soft wall" algae that is absorbed much better than spirulina.  It is for my thyroid (contains iodine). One with brekky one with dinner.
Ashwagandha (Withania Somnifera) - For the adrenals, one with brekky.
She is ordering a liquid mineral supplement for me.
I also MUST take Betaine HCL with my supplements to help with digestion and uptake. (yes, even though I'm a type O!! I have the same issue and have to take B/ HCL especially when eating proteinsupplements.
She has also given me a pea protein isolate powder to have with soy milk in the morning. would you mind posting the brand on this. I'm always looking for something for a protein shake and try as I may, egg white protein just doesn't work, whey is an avoid, so.........  
Dietary-wise I have to eliminate grains as much as possible.  same here and especially in O's.......it just seems some of us are pretty much grain intolerant, tho not celiacNo black tea because it interferes with iron.  an avoid - tho I do miss it. Lots of protein and vegies.  Basically the Type O diet (she follows the BTD  )
Exercise-wise she said it probably ain't gonna happen at the moment - my adrenals and thyroid are basically kaput - and it may even be detrimental - just for now. same here.....maybe some walking or gentle stuff, but I don't tax mine by vigorous exercise either. It doesn't take much to wind me, which is highly disturbing to me, but I have to listen to my body.
I am concerned that I don't see any Vit C (unless something in that Metagenics Stressan is Vit C, but you would need high doses). it is very important in repairing the adrenals. As I understand it, the most important supplement. will see if I can find that info for you. Please ask her about it. P.S. you might want to tell her you were tooling around the internet and found it. wouldn't be a lie     some Drs and ND's take offense at questions, which irks me. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to post all of this.  


P.S.  this is an excerpt from the article I will also post. I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing (yet), but it looks good.

Increase vitamin C intake if necessary. It’s perhaps the most important nutrient in facilitating adrenal function and repair. Dr. Wilson writes that “The more cortisol made, the more vitamin C is used. Vitamin C is so essential to the adrenal hormone cascade and the manufacture of adrenal steroid hormones that before the measurement of adrenal steroid hormones became available, the blood level of vitamin C was used as the best indicator of adrenal function level in animal research studies.”

http://www.drmurphreestore.com/adrenalfatigue.html

I found this article from this page of a google search:
http://www.google.com/search?h.....p;btnG=Google+Search


paulam, I paid $45 yesterday for mine here in Ill/Mo (ND is in Mo). as far as I know you have to have a dr or ND request. more important is to have someone who knows how to read and treat, correctly.




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Thanks, Caz,
You are taking many of the same supplements that I am.  And I agree with Italy about the vitamin C.  It has made a big difference for me to increase my C intake to close to 1,000 mg with each meal.



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I am taking Vitamin C because I know without a doubt that my body is really needing it.  It is a 1000mg Bio C formula with brekky and dinner. It just wasn't part of what the ND prescribed, so I didn't put it in.

Italy, I know exactly what you mean by the egg white protein powder - I could just not stomach it - yuk!

Here's the info on the pea protein powder, I had it yesterday with a cup of lite soy milk, a spoonful of carob powder and 2 drops of Stevia.  It wasn't too bad.

100% pea protein isolate - phyto protein
Logical Nutrition Pty Ltd

http://www.vitalgreens.com


And by the way thanks for those links, I had a bit of a glance and they look very informative!



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Thanks Caz!  That was a long post, but I can see that it is very helpful.  I had a hair analysis a few years back, but I think it just told toxic and other mineral levels.  That was what led the md to do mercury detox with me.  So eventually the mercury was lower in my hair.
But I wonder about the adrenals, etc.  I already have had thyroid problems that were addressed before I knew about the BTD.....
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