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Adrenal fatigue can sometimes require even type O's to rest more and exercise at a moderate level, until recovery has become stable.  But as Lola said, it is an individual matter, and only you know what works best for you.
Generally O's do best on vigorous exercise, yet if the adrenals are truly exhausted, it can be counterproductive to push beyond the point of fatigue.



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... i need to stay in bed until 8:00 AM and exercise less than I have been doing, or at least at a lesser pace and eat before I go to bed


Getting lots of good rest and "listening" to how much exercise you do is good advice........the eating before bed - I only suggested that because of waking up thru the night. Eating a bit of protein or protein w/ a good carb might help. Salmon patties would be a good example. Adrenal fatigue is a tricky little thing............
roller56, thanks for that website.....I'm def going to check it out!!  



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I have just finished reading all 159? posts of this thread (took me 2 sittings to get thru!)

I have spent the last 8yrs going from one practitioner to another (mostly NDs too) trying to find out the cause of my overwhelming fatigue.  Last year I was diagnosed with depression and as a side issue A/F.  I have been treated for the dep. but the A/F hasn't really been addressed and I didn't realise what a big issue it was until I came across this thread!

With some hindsight my problems probably started 9yrs ago with an early miscarriage, surgery to follow then fell pregnant again 2mths later.

Italy - I looked up Dr Lams questions - I too answered yes to 27 out of 29.  I felt like crying but with both frustration and relief when I have read all these symptoms that people have posted.

I have learnt more in the hour that it has taken me to read this thread than the last 8yrs searching for answers    Yes, I'm crying, but I know that today is the first day of me starting to heal my adrenals.

Thank you and hugs to everyone on this thread, I am overwhelmed by how much I am learning with this forum.  How can I truly express my gratitude.


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Last year I was diagnosed with depression and as a side issue A/F.
Italy - I looked up Dr Lams questions - I too answered yes to 27 out of 29.  I felt like crying but with both frustration and relief...I have learnt more in the hour that it has taken me to read this thread than the last 8yrs searching for answers    Yes, I'm crying, but I know that today is the first day of me starting to heal my adrenals.


CazB, dry those happy tears and toddle along w/ the rest of us who have this issue. It is such a big issue these days, that's why I started the thread on asking Dr D to write a book specifically for it. Until then, may I suggest you read a book called "The Cortisol Connection Diet".  There really is no diet per se w/ this book, but it tries to explain what you need to do to keep things in check. It is really a book written more for losing weight, but w/ adrenal issues, it is a big player in healing. The cortisol issue I mean. This book explains alot of stuff. There is another book this guy wrote on cortisol. He mentions it in this book. That is my next book to read.
IMHO, depression is a symptom of adrenals. I can say from personal experience that being really compliant and taking some supps for the adrenals is really important in keeping depression at bay. Be sure to get lots of Vit C......... Victoria has this issue too and is taking over 3000 mg a day. That IS NOT to say that is what you should do, it's just an example of how important it is. I thought I was taking about the same, but turns out I need a better Vit C. So I have that ordered and am anxiously awaiting its arrival. B5 is also important. Lots of sleep. I'll just say it again........asleep by 10.  Body does healing between 10 and 1.  Sleep as close to 8AM as you can. Keep your room dark. And this is something I read somewhere too and I notice it to be true. Keep your bedroom cool. Your body should be cooler when you're sleeping. If I get too hot, it wakes me up. Now I know that could be looked at as just common sense, but even in the winter this happens. We have our heat on 65 in the winter and even then it can happen. All part of adrenal issues. (think hormones too...when your adrenals are out of whack, your hormones will def be as well) As is the thyroid, blood sugar. All symptoms. It's complex to say the least. We will all help you as much as we can. It's so great to have others to bounce things off. It's so frustrating that a doctor, who is supposed to know this stuff, can't or won't help us. Now you know you're on your way to a healthier, better life CazB!!!
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Thanks Italy for the encouragement.  I was a little emotional when I realised the significance of what I was finding out.    

The vitamin C thing is very telling - when I am unwell and taking larger doses of vit c than normal (we're talking 8000mg or more per day) I still do not have overdose symptoms but my bruises and my skin start to heal better.  I'm guessing I need to start taking a lot more than I do at the moment.

I have started looking for the books suggested on the net.  My first thing is to start going to bed at 9:30pm whenever possible and finding curtains to block out the street lights at night and really upping the vit c.  I'm afraid that on weekdays my start time has to be no later than 7am to get the girls off to school, but weekends I can prob stay in bed until 8 (my hubby will love this - he is not a morning person).


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Thanks Italy for the encouragement. I was a little emotional when I realised the significance of what I was finding out.  
The vitamin C thing is very telling - when I am unwell and taking larger doses of vit c than normal (we're talking 8000mg or more per day) I still do not have overdose symptoms but my bruises and my skin start to heal better.  I'm guessing I need to start taking a lot more than I do at the moment.
My first thing.. going to bed at 9:30pm whenever possible... curtains to block out the street lights.... really upping the vit c. ....on weekdays my start time has to be no later than 7am ..... weekends I can prob stay in bed until 8


You're welcome. I hear ya. It's really a long hard road ahead, but at least we (and several others) finally know what's going on. It's the not knowing that makes one so frustrated.
if you have 500 mg Vit C, up it each day by 500 mg until you reach bowel tolerance. then back off 500 mg. if you're not familiar w/ what bowel tolerance means, let us know and someone will explain.  
great, you have a plan!!! you are so far ahead of most people struggling w/ this. they haven't even got a clue what's the matter. keep us posted ok? we'll add anything else we can think of.  



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Thanks again.  As to the bowel tolerance for Vit C yes I understand, that's what I meant when I said overdose symptoms but couldn't think of the term  


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As to the bowel tolerance for Vit C yes I understand, that's what I meant when I said overdose symptoms but couldn't think of the term  


Good deal!!  




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Hi, I just wanted to get a little more info if that's ok.  I can't remember everything I have read in this thread and I don't have the time at the moment to re-read it yet.  I just read on another thread that Cod Liver Oil (vit A & D) helps heal the adrenals - should I be taking this?  

Just wanted to know the main things that people recommend to do to start the healing process.

I am trying to go to bed at 9:30pm
Taking 1000mg vit c 3 times per day
Mega B complex brekky and lunch
trying to keep my room dark (still need to find darker curtains)
I take a probiotic 2 times per day and spirulina tablets too.

Any advice would be appreciated

ps.  I have ordered 3 books from amazon - adrenal fatigue, cortisol connnection, lights out.  They will take a while to get here from America so I need help in the mean time  


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I just read on another thread that Cod Liver Oil (vit A & D) helps heal the adrenals - should I be taking this?  not sure on this, so I won't comment. I read about the A on the other thread too but have never read it before, so I'm holding off on it right now. A little D prob wouldn't hurt anyone.     Per Dr Lam's site:

A. 500 mg to 3,000 mg of vitamin C with bioflavonoids, lysine, proline, pine bark extract
B. 100 to 200 mg of fat-soluble vitamin C called ascobyl palmitate
C. 900 to 1,500 mg of vitamin B5 (panthothenic acid) as most hormone production in the adrenal gland needs the co-enzyme A, a by-product of Vitamin B5, to be produced.
D. Vitamin E is another important nutrient, which is involved in at least 6 different enzymatic reactions in the adrenal cascade. Take 400 to 800 I.U. of vitamin E daily.
E. Take 10,000 to 25,000 I.U of beta-carotene and other important minerals such as selenium (200 mcg), magnesium (500 mg) as well as important amino acids such as lysine (1-2 gm), proline (500mg - 1gm) and glutamine (1-5 gm) or more in advance cases.
F. DHEA 15-50 mg , pregnenolone 25-50 mg , adrenal glandular, adrenal extracts, licorice root  can be helpful


it is certainly possible to treat yourself for adrenals, but be cautious. It's kinda scary for me, but I know Victoria does so. I would guess she is very careful as she goes. Maybe she'll come on and give you (and me  ) a little guidance. Just remember that anything you read here is just a recommendation, as we aren't drs or the such. So careful as you go.  O's are not recommended to supp w/ Vit E, but in the case of adrenal fatigue, it might be okay. Just one more reason I'm hoping and praying for a Health Series book on the adrenals.

I am trying to go to bed at 9:30pm
Taking 1000mg vit c 3 times per day
Mega B complex brekky and lunch
trying to keep my room dark (still need to find darker curtains)
I take a probiotic 2 times per day and spirulina tablets too.you're def off to a good start. And good for you for being proactive about your health!!





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Thanks so much Italy.  I might just make an appointment with my ND and make sure I'm taking the right stuff.  At least now I can go to her and say "please help me heal my adrenals" and know that I'm specifically targeting the problem  

I will also see if I can get my hubby to get our printer working so I can print off your suggestions and take them with me.

I also must find the time to go to Dr Lams site and read some more.  I seem to be on the computer an awful lot lately, I know I've been on too long when my butt goes numb from sitting on a wooden stool  



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do try following the fatigue book advice, it has so far helped many people I know.
cod liver oil is a frequent neutral in the book for your type so that is also good, and the protocols given are more targeted, to your needs!


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Thanks so much Italy.  I might just make an appointment with my ND and make sure I'm taking the right stuff.  At least now I can go to her and say "please help me heal my adrenals" and know that I'm specifically targeting the problem  
I also must find the time to go to Dr Lams site and read some more. I seem to be on the computer an awful lot lately, I know I've been on too long when my butt goes numb from sitting on a wooden stool


Glad to hear you're going to take some more action.    Doesn't it feel good to finally know what the prob is, instead of always wondering "what's wrong"?  The not knowing is just as annoying as the constant state of tiredness that adrenal fatigue brings. As I've said before........there's fatigue and then there's THIS fatigue". I hope your ND can get you fixed up  w/ the right stuff. Don't forget your morning sea salt water.  
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Lola  - I will make the effort to start re-reading the Fatigue book again tonight.  I'm sure it will help somewhat but I'm past the boundary of mere fatigue.  The feeling that my heart is either gonna jump outta my chest or that my chest is so constricted that I'm gonna have a heart attack.  The panic attacks.  The Jekyll and Hyde effect of weepiness or anger outbursts.  To name a few things other than the almost at times incapacitating weariness.  

I have no doubt that the BTD is going to help me deal with this but it's not the only thing.  I need to make lifestyle changes as well.  And baby those adrenals like nothing else.

ps. Please don't think I am saying that fatigue is in any way "mere", I was just trying to express that I feel it is the forerunner to other symptoms coming along which knock you around even more.

Italy - I'm not sure I know what you mean by the salt and water thing?  Could you explain?  Thanks  


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I got an email from a Dr. Berg, and I watched his video on exercise and took the quiz to identify my hormone imbalance and it turned out to be adrenal..according to him. He starts everyone on the same liver cleansing plan which is pretty much A vegetarian eating and says if you need to, you can add fish and eggs. If you're an A  this is a good plan...not if you're any other BT. It even said I should not do too strenuous of exercise and do yoga and walking.  
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keeping hydrated is important and adding sea salt to your water bottle, is advised...it works like electrolytes, hydrating at a cellular level as well. just a pinch!


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Quoted from Caz B
...I'm past the boundary of mere fatigue.  The feeling that my heart is either gonna jump outta my chest or that my chest is so constricted that I'm gonna have a heart attack.  The panic attacks.  The Jekyll and Hyde effect of weepiness or anger outbursts.  To name a few things other than the almost at times incapacitating weariness.
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Has anyone suggested that you take Rhodiola?  It helped me to deal with the same issues you're facing, plus ruminating over such "what if" things as "what if I lose my job?"  "what if the car dies and I need to get a new one?"  My anxiety in the mornings was nearly debilitating, so I sympathize with you.  Things will get better.



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Thanks for both the encouragement and advice SquarePeg, I am going to the HFS tomrw to see if they have any rhodiola.

I have another question (can't help myself can I?)  Last night I was barely able to keep my eyes open by around 8pm.  I stayed up until 9:30pm then went to bed.  But when I was in bed my heart was beating fast and I felt like I had adrenaline in my system.  Is this the 2nd wind people are talking about?  It took me longer to get to sleep because of this (I usually am so tired that I go to sleep in a couple of minutes)

I thought the 2nd kick of the adrenals happened after 10pm, or is it individual for everyone and I should go to bed when I am tired?  This won't be easy - my husband is a night owl and my eldest daughter is now in high school and I'm a light sleeper  

I would really appreciate hearing of other people's experience with this - thanks  


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Last night I was barely able to keep my eyes open by around 8pm.  I stayed up until 9:30pm then went to bed.  But when I was in bed my heart was beating fast and I felt like I had adrenaline in my system.  Is this the 2nd wind people are talking about?  It took me longer to get to sleep because of this (I usually am so tired that I go to sleep in a couple of minutes)
I thought the 2nd kick of the adrenals happened after 10pm, or is it individual for everyone and I should go to bed when I am tired?


Do you always get tired around 8PM or was that just last night? If you always do, then yes, it seems you should try to do what your body is telling you. If it was just last night, then, maybe try to keep track of what other nights are like and adjust to that. It is very likely to be an individual thing (to a degree) about what time your adrenals actually kick in again, so the key is listening to what your body says.
Just a thought..........are you eating starchy things at dinner? That could make you really tired an hour or so after.
IMHO I don't think your heart should be beating so fast you know it, just because your adrenals might happen to be kicking in for a 2nd wind. But that's just my opinion. I don't have that going on that I can discern.  
Re: that being asleep in 2 min - they say if you are falling asleep that fast, you are sleep deprived.  



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I feel sleep deprived but I've felt like that for 8 years!  

I usually am pretty tired by 8:30pm or so, it's just not that easy to go to bed and actually go to sleep at that time because I get woken up by what's happening in the house and I get grumpy and agitated then    I have to work with what I've got tho'  

I had a very small amount of home made compliant fried rice last night (it had lamb and chicken in it) but it was with salad and two lamb steaks at about 7pm.  I always try to make sure there is plenty of protein at dinner because my type O 8yr old has 3am nightmares if she hasn't had enough protein.

Anyway, I'm gonna have to talk to the hubby and see if we can arrange earlier bedtimes - wish me luck  



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Hi Caz:

I almost always feel sleepy after supper, and I almost always fall right asleep once I get into bed.

But I remember one strange night a few weeks ago.  Both my heart and my mind were racing, and I lay awake for three hours that way.  It was bizarre.  But thankfully it happened only once.  My guess is that it was because I Binged on chocolate about an hour before bedtime.  That's "Binged" with a capital "B".

Anyway, good luck with the Rhodiola.  I hope it helps you as much as it helps me!


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Both my heart and my mind were racing, and I lay awake for three hours that way.


this happens to me occassionally, but I have a heart problem where it beats w/o pauses and I always attributed it to that. I'll have to watch and see if I've eaten anything that could attribute to that. Thanks SP!  



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My suggestions for night-time heart racing:  Rescue Remedy; no dessert; check to see if you're allergic to something you're eating.  This can cause your heart to race while your body is trying to metabolize it.  If your pulse is 20 beats/min. faster than usual (take your pulse, resting, before you eat and after you eat and then when you feel it racing), it's an indicator that you're allergic to something.


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