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Lola
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try http://www.aboessentials.com/

also try the secretor test to upgrade your food choices if necessary.


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Sue, have you been eating for your blood type?  



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There is a "sticky" BTD forum thread on adrenal fatigue here:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/m-1167170022/

Lot's of good advice.

Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I just noticed that you mentioned following the BTD since '99.  Sorry for asking the obvious!  



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and if DHEA is toooo toughy for ya, so you might give a try to wild yams, a natural DHEA booster (and fatkiller as well )


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Thaks for pointing me to this thread.  I have the books on order and a lot of the stuff I am already doing, however, the biggie for me is sleep.  I am an early to bed early to rise person and have been for years.  Early to bed is between 9 and 10.  However, here's the problem.....I do not sleep well at all.  I have tried so many things and read so many books including Deepak Chopra and I am still left with the problem.  At the moment I am taking Restful Sleep Essentials by Dr. Julian Whittaker (I have been on low dose Trazadone for some time to help with the sleep, but have now stopped this) - I seem to be able to get to sleep most nights, although it takes a while, but I wake EVERY night at 3 - sometimes 1 or 2 and a lot of times cannot get back to sleep.  Even if I sleep well, which for me is say from 10 until 5 I cannot get back to sleep and can NEVER sleep in - I would love to sleep until 9 - but HOW????  In the summer I am up and out walking by 6.30.  I am prepared to take the time to sleep but cannot seem to.  I sleep in a dark room, the bedroom is only used for sleeping - i.e. no t.v. - nothing.  I rarely watch tv - sometimes the news at around 6 pm - I eat dinner by 5.30 - 6 - I take a Sauna to relax in the evening and i read spiritual material.  What else is there?  I am thinking my circadium rythm is off.  Any thoughts on sleep would certainly be appreciated.

Thanks!!!!

Sue
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Hi Sue H, my sympathies to you for your Adrenal Fatigue (A/F). I hope yours was caught before it got too bad. You have been given some great advice here so far. I'll add this: Vit C......this is very very important in adrenal recovery. As I recall it is at the top of the 'chain' re: repairing the adrenals.   Do you know how to tell how much C your body needs? If not let us know, someone will help out w/ that. It's simple.  
Next B5, very important as well. I'd look at Dr Lam's site for guidance there (until our very own Dr D gets our Adrenal Fatigue book done   - you are going to write one right Doc?  
I have a thread somewhere on board for people to 'sign up' re: a request for a book specifically on the adrenals. If someone can find it (I've spent quite a bit of time searching for it and nothing......I just don't get why I have such a time w/ this , but...........) would you please post the link. Thanks

Sleep has already been mentioned, but I'm going to mention it again. The proper rest is sooooooooo important in adrenal recovery. When mine was caught, my DHEA and cortisol levels were in the exhaustion stage. It's been a hard road and I'm no where near 'fixed'.    I make sure to get plenty of rest. As Victoria mentions.....in bed and asleep by 10 PM. Very important. If possible, stay in bed until 8 AM (regardless of what time you go to bed, even if it's later than 10PM, which looks like you have a handle on this already if you're in bed by 9:30 ). The reason it's important to try to rest until 8AM is because that is when our cortisol levels for the day are at their highest. (If you have more bloodwork or salivary testing done, 8AM is the best time. Follow up testing should always be done at the same time of day.) If we get up earlier, we are asking our bodies to work harder, as we are not really ready to be on the move (as in our levels aren't up yet). I can tell a real difference when I get up before 8. The days I have to get up at 6, I drag around.    I used to get up at 4AM, plus I've had 7 surgeries and lots of stress associated with them.  I think the surgeries have much to do w/ my A/F.  That is a lot of stress on the body. Also if we stay up past 10PM, our adrenals have to kick in for a 2nd shift, basically cutting the life of our adrenals in half. This was alot of my problem too. I used to work 2 jobs alot.....def not in bed by 10PM  

I know it is recommended that our blood type do lots of exercise, but if you have A/F, be very careful with that. The 21st Century book you ordered has some good info on that. If I were to be doing that right now, it would prob kill me, literally. Failing adrenals can lead to heart failure. Lucky me, I have within the last 9 mths been diagnosed w/ 2 dif problems w/ my heart. Without BTD, I truly believe I'd not be here now.
BTD brings with it lots of knowledge re: our bodies, how they work, what we need to keep out of them. With knowledge comes power.  Power to BTD!!! Yay!!!
Wishing you the best Sue. I'm going to get me some of that 3Lac too I think because I also have Candida issues. Which reminds me I need to make a separate thread on this issue.
Have a great day everyone!!  

Also, have you pre-ordered your new book?    GenoType  
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-rost/m-1193144969/s-new/#num32



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Sue H
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Thanks so much.. yes, I know sleep is one of the answers - the problem for me is staying asleep.  If I am awake but stay in bed until 8 does that do any good, or does one actually have to be asleep??

Please give me the info on the Vitamin C - I usually take Ester C everyday but maybe I need to increase the dosage.  My book will probably take a week or so to get here and I want to get going on all this stuff.  I am taking a Homeopathic remedy given to be by my microscopist as well.  I don't think my case is severe as I don't usually have trouble getting going in the morning but i do have a lot of the symptoms.

Thanks again
Sue
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I'm going to get me some of that 3Lac too I think because I also have Candida issues.

I have posted the warning many times about using anti-candida treatments. Candida has the ability to bind to or ingest many toxins including heavy metals such as mercury and lead. If you kill the candida in large amounts by using anti-candida treatments, you will release those toxins and almost assuredly overrun your bodies ability to eliminate them. Therefore, you run the strong risk of increasing the damage to your body and end up with a negative long-term health impact of the anti-candida treatments.

I am willing to bet that the reason you have candida in the first place is because your immune system is compromised because it has been weakened by toxins, probably mercury. I recommend that you start addressing the lowest layer of your problem, not the layers above it. In many case if you address the lowest layer the other layers will correct themselves.


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Thanks so much.. yes, I know sleep is one of the answers - the problem for me is staying asleep. If I am awake but stay in bed until 8 does that do any good, or does one actually have to be asleep??
Please give me the info on the Vitamin C -


do you have blood sugar issues? If your blood sugar drops too low thru the night, it can (and will) wake you. Try eating a bit of protein before bed. Just enough to keep your blood sugar levels up. You could also try a bit of sweet potato w/ ghee, but concentrate on the protein more. And just a small portion.  Also, how do you feel your digestion is?
I have posed this ? to myself the last few mornings......awake before 8, but laid in bed until 8.  My theory , is that if you are at rest, then your adrenals are not having to do much in the way of getting you going. Like a car battery, it doesn't take much to make the radio work, but it takes a lot more to make it start.  
Re: the C, whatever dose you are taking now, up it by 1000 mgs a day until your bowel movements become loose, then back off 1000 mg. That should be what you need. As your adrenals improve, you will prob find you need less.    Hope this helps.






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how is your exercise schedule?
it is of the utmost importance in an Os well being
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rosehips is an excellent C source!


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rosehips is an excellent C source!


do you have a brand name of a good rosehip C.  I have searched & searched and not really finding anything w/ alot of rosehip. It is always a miniscule part of the mix.  



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Sue, I posted re: your waking in the night in the A/F thread you started. Also, when your adrenals get some attention, this may resolve itself as well. Have a look here: diagnostechs
Choose Tests & Panels and then read the info under Adrenal Stress Index. This shows how your cort/DHEA rythms should be, plus some other info  



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Quoted from Lola
tell us what you do for exercise.....
on a regular basis.

I start to get it that exercise is good for fatigue too.
Usually I work on the elliptical 4-5 times a week, and 45 minutes of workout are quite difficult to me.

But, the day before yesterday I had in the evening (19:00) a beef steak + salad + a glass of wine, got home towards 21:00, slept like a log, and the morning after starting at 5:50 I did 60 minutes on the elliptical. It wasn't difficult at all and I felt happy.  




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my brother living in NY brings me bulk Rosehips.
nature s sunshine has caps, too. 560mg pure RH


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I have posed this ? to myself the last few mornings......awake before 8, but laid in bed until 8.  My theory , is that if you are at rest, then your adrenals are not having to do much in the way of getting you going. Like a car battery, it doesn't take much to make the radio work, but it takes a lot more to make it start.  


This is my approach also.  I do my best to lie in bed for 9 hours a night, even if I am not sleeping soundly the entire time.  And when I don't absolutely have to get up early, I'll keep my head on the pillow until 8 or 9 am.  
I have gradually trained my body to not get up for a bladder call.  It has taken some time, but I've learned how to gauge my fluid intake so that I can last the night.  This has helped with my sleep a lot because if I can actually keep my eyes shut for 9 hours, I slip back into sleep more easily.



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Great thread(s) on adrenal fatigue!!

But I do find it a little confusing to have 2 separate threads with the same title. Any way the 2 could be merged?... or a title change to differentiate between them?

Thank you kindly!!


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Hi Sue,

These are great suggestions.  If you get a chance, check out a group concerning adrenals on yahoo groups called "naturalthyroidhormonesADRENALS" where there is a lot of valuable information concerning adrenal fatigue.  There is also a lot of talk about temporarily using hydrocortisone to support your adrenals until they repair themselves.

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Great thread(s) on adrenal fatigue!!

But I do find it a little confusing to have 2 separate threads with the same title. Any way the 2 could be merged?... or a title change to differentiate between them?

Thank you kindly!!

Merged



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Thanks Don!!  


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Been doing Live Blood Analysis for 3 years - have an Infrared Sauna, Ionic footbath - done all kinds of cleanses etc.  It was good to read though that adrenal stress is cumulative as I have NO sress in my life compared to years ago - so, I guess the damage was already there and it is now just showing up.  It shall be dealt with !!!!!!

Sue


I just want to remind us all that too much "cleansing" can weaken the body by eliminating electrolytes and necessary minerals.  Also from a perspective of "Chi" (lifeforce), this type of procedure uses the body's own energy and vitality in order to accomplish the cleanse.  This is fine, and sometimes necessary, but if repeated too often, adrenal drain can be the result.



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yes, each body needs its very individual 'ecosystem'!!
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I just noticed Lola's thread about what my exercise schedule is but I must say i am a little confused now.  I have always read (and agreed) that O's need vigorous exercise and since starting the BTD in 1999 have exercised at least 5 - 6 times a week - power walking/rebounding/weights.  Now I am reading that I should slow down with the exercise - can anyone tell me what "moderate" exercise is?  I have always exercised in the morning and found that worked for me - in the summer - walking by 6.30 am - winter maybe a little later, but now it seems I have to change that because of the adrenal stress - sigh!

I'm thinking from what I've read that i need to stay in bed until 8.30 and exercise less than I have been doing, or at least at a lesser pace and eat before I go to bed (that goes against everything I have ever believed in - yikes).  Am I getting this right?  

Thanks everyone

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any amount and intensity of exercise you do needs to simply feel right!
listen to your body s needs and you ll be fine!
we are all different and need to customize our lifestyle according to our needs and health issues.....age is also important.


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