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fassolis
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Hi !
I'm surprise i can' t find any thread about iron ...
i just find out by  blood analysis that my iron rate is very low and all the red blood cells as well ( Anemia ) that explains the symptoms ( cut lips all time even in summer..,  burning tongue, need to sleep, lack of energy. articulations pain....)
normally i never take medication except homeopathic, but even my homeopathe doctor ask me to take iron pills (150 mg)
it will take 6 month - they say- to be back normal.
my question is  : Why ? what are the causes ? i' ve been from the beginning on the BTD, and very satisfied with it , i' m A
I know i m not so fond of meat, but i was eating quite enough i think.
I also know that green tea is a problem for iron assimilation when you drink it at meal time, coffee as well, - i was drinking both - but it can' t be the main cause
i heart that anemia can be caused by bad assimilation of iron because of lack of vit. B9 OR B 12
does somebody knows anything about iron problems and help ?
Thanks
yza from Greece

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B12 (plenty in red meat but you can't eat it)...A's lack the intrinsic factor in the lining of the stomach that helps absorb b12...all A's should take supplemental B12...deficiency can cause dementia and neurological impairment..also helps with sleeping

for Anemia...a small supplement of folic acid everyday.

Look into Floradix   a liquid iron...found at any HFS

best B rich foods for A's

Whole Grains (niacin)
soy sauce (b12)
miso (b12)
tempeh (b12)

Best iron rich foods for A's

whole grains
beans
figs
blackstrap molasses


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here s an old post with the same issue.....
might be an interesting point of view for you:
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archived/config.pl?read=132047


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found this on iron, too:
http://www.dadamo.com/suppbase/depict.cgi?15


here s another interesting thread on iron deficiency
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivec/config.pl?read=120339


and there s loads more!!! use the search button on the home page of the site.

here s the floradix link
http://www.florahealth.com/Flora/Home/canada/Products/R4771.asp


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 Hallo yza,
Welcome to the Forums, I live in Samos and just in case you don't know
Floradix [liquid iron] and folic acid from Solgar you can get in the pharmacy.
our bio shops don't have it.

alek  




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Thank you all
actually, I tried Floradix ( 3 bottles, 3 weeks..), seaweeds as well, and  I' m used to have very often in all my meals, miso, whole grains, figs, beans, as i always follow very strictly the BTD, and i don't understand , the thing is that now the iron is so low and red blood cells are so empty that it' s difficult to get the situation normal without medication (iron sulfate )
even my homeopathy practician says so...
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do you have whole wheat grains? or other whole non compliant grains?

it is important that you stick to your BTD guidelines as closely as possible.

BTD will balance out your system while it heals.


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Thank you all
actually, I tried Floradix ( 3 bottles, 3 weeks..), seaweeds as well, and  I' m used to have very often in all my meals, miso, whole grains, figs, beans, as i always follow very strictly the BTD, and i don't understand , the thing is that now the iron is so low and red blood cells are so empty that it' s difficult to get the situation normal without medication (iron sulfate )
even my homeopathy practician says so...


I notice that you are from Greece, perhaps the anemia is not nutritionally related at all but rather hereditary, such as thalassemia trait common in those of Mediterranean ancestry. If that's the case, then supplementation with extra iron and B12 may do more harm than good.


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methycobalamin b12 is a very safe substance....if you have macrocytic anemia then you have b12 deficiency and taking floradix will not help unless you team it up with B12 and folic acid

In a japanese study b12 was also effective in the treatment of pernicious anemia


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i take methycobalamin (chewable)tabs 1000 mg daily. improved energy and also test higher iron levels. eating well in btd is not enough for me to control my health issues, maybe because a nonnie. drink green tea and coffee with no problem.


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Hi fassolis - how are you going with your iron intake?

I share your problem but am a different blood type.  Have been battling anemia for several years now.  My doc says not to take any iron less than 100mg daily.  Over the years a gastroenterelogist said not to stop  taking this dose under a year.  Each time I stop taking the iron I always end up anemic again.      My doc says never to stop taking them!  

My last blood test came up not only low iron (stopped for a few months from severe constipation) but anemic as well as very low calcium.  I have been told that calcium binds with iron and stops the iron absorption - so not to take them together so I take iron in the morn. & calc in the night.  The trouble is that I've been taking calc. for many years due to having had babies and not sleeping too well and cannot understand why I have such low levels!  

After speaking to a friend who is studying TCM (traditional chinese medicine) she said that my floating stools mean I have malabsorption!  

Has anyone overcome this problem??  
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how compliant are you following BTD?

being a nonnie makes you the more vulnerable and requires absolute commitment.


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My last blood test came up not only low iron (stopped for a few months from severe constipation) but anemic as well as very low calcium.  I have been told that calcium binds with iron and stops the iron absorption - so not to take them together so I take iron in the morn. & calc in the night.  The trouble is that I've been taking calc. for many years due to having had babies and not sleeping too well and cannot understand why I have such low levels!  


Are you getting enough magnesium and Vit D along w/ your calcium? You need the mag and D to properly use the calcium.



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Hi shells,

maybe a much different approach is needed.  Often our bodies do not utilize single nutrients well. We presume a complexity that most supplements do not have.  One of BTD-old timers used to post that the 'simple' apple had at least 5,000 different chemicals.

To meet some of your nutrient demands for anemia it may do you well to start supplementing with chlorella .... especially in summertime Australia .... a good type is at http://www.shokos.com .   Look into NAP's mearl seaweed for calcium.  During summer, some iodine (thyroid) kicks the metabolism (including calcium) into overdrive - supplements of bladderwrack, kelp and dulse assist.

I wondered why the two vitamins known to aid calcium-flux are both connected with summer  - vitamin D3 ... UV from sunlight + vitamin K .... leafy greens (and chlorella).  Maybe it is calcium (and muscle/skeletal work) for the summer and silica for the winter.

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the lack of assimilation is at times due to low stomach acid.....
supplementing with ginger root and eating right gets your stomach functioning normally.


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Thanks all for your wonderful help & suggestions!  

Lola - I have been becoming stricter & stricter over time with BTD compliance and have been feeling better & better.  The wheat I had worked out before knowing the BTD as after eating a sandwich I would literally fall asleep - so have been off wheat for years just eating rice flour in gravies & the odd rice cracker.  Dairy has been a lot harder for me as I feel more edgy & sleep is not as good anymore.  Numbness & tingling has returned to my left toes.  I feel my compliance is good but I still don't feel really well maybe because of low red cells.

Italybound - am definitely getting enough vit D as the state in Australia where I live has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world!
 And I thought maybe I was supplementing with too much magnesium & it could have been throwing my calc. out of balance (as I undertand minerals have to be in balance to be absorbed properly)

resting - I will definitely look into chlorella, not heard of this before, & kelp.

Lola - could definitely have low acid.  Is nausea a sign? & can drinking ginger tea do just as well as eating ginger? (don't really like the taste of actual ginger)

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If you have a Iron Deficiency use Exacta from Dr Dadamo.  It has plenty of Iron.  It smells great too.
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add a piece of ginger root in boiling water for tea.


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There is another herb that I have read about on line:  http://www.natural-anemia-solution.com  It refers to a supplement from a fruit called "carao"  and has many testmonials for treating and reversing anemia.  Does anyone have any testimonials or feedback for treatment with a child for thalassaemia?  Thanks,  Judy Daily
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what blood type is the child?
B12 and Iron rich foods are adviced.  (chicken livers)

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Thallasemia Minor/Mediterranian Anemia/ Type AB
I've seen these anemias in most A and AB types. Avoidance of the harmful lectins in the foods that react with either A or B (in the case of AB) should have the effect of easing the tensions on the red cell membranes. I would also recommend a good anti-oxidant formula, preferably one containg pycnogenol.

Peter


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Judith M. Daily, warm welcome to BTD and the forum!!
Thanks for the info on "carao". There is always something new for us to learn here. It's a daily adventure!



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