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Vicki
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The rash has not spread but the unusual characteristic is that it is very itchy.  

I suspect scabies and was hoping that personal/professional experiences can be shared.

I did a net search and found several different types of natural suggestions and am looking to incorporate a remedy soon!  

I am leaning towards an herbal remedy but if anyone has had a homeopathic remedy work, please share!

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if rash has no open sores...try oil of oregano...2 drops mixed in with a little jojoba oil massaged into area


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also lavender oil helps subdue the itch.


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 Tincture of St John's Wort or turmeric mixted with bit of water, dab on.

 For scabies here onion skins are boiled and when cooled, apply. It has quercetin that is soothing for skin problems. Stops the itch.

 alek




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It's natural enzymes that break down the exoskeleton of the parasite.


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Could be dermatitis herpetiformis...looks a bit like scabies or shingles (I thought it was one of those when I had it)


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I'd describe dermatitis herpetiformis as constellations of mosquito-bite-like bumps that at their worst are red and itchy and look like they are filled with clear fluid, at their mildest they are just little semi-hard bumps.  They usually affect elbows and knees and the skin above and below them, and lower back, but can appear anywhere including the face, eyes, hands, fingers, etc.  

Why it sometimes flares up even when somebody is already trying their darndest to be gluten free is open for debate, but it happens.  In my case I think there was some casein cross-reaction going on, as well as the after-effects of some repeated gluten-accidents.  It is caused by the gluten and antigliadin IgA immunocomplexes getting cleared out of the system, through the skin.


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Hi Vicki,
I have not been on very often but I have been having a growing problem with skin conditions/problems and got on here to see if I could find an answer; and I saw that you had a thread started.
I can't help you, I don't know anything. But when I was in a HFS and mentioned that the last year or so I have had various problems from dematitis to dry rash like areas on the top of my feet, and that my skin seems to be getting thinner because I can break the skin with the least little bump or scrape; the gal said that they had a "Bioflavonoids" in a high dosage ?? that would clear up a lot of skin problems and strenghten the skin.  I haven't tried it yet because I was going to check in the Enclycopedia first, and I found nothing.   For those who don't know, I'm 81 and acting 50, but barking my hands and fore arms while working in the shop, has always been a problem, but it is getting worse faster than I think it should.  So would it be worth trying the bioflavonoids, for you and/or me?
Thanks, Al Ge
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try the skin protocol online.....


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I don't know where this 'online' is; but since you mention a skin protocol I looked it up in the Encyclopedia, thanks.  I had looked up the 'disease' but could find nothing, hadn't thought of looking in the Protocols.
Thanks. Al Ge
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Al,
I believe you were also in the old boards, right?
For what it's worth........remember?  

the protocols are here:
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm

use all the tool buttons given on the left of the home page....there s loads and loads of info there.
here s an old post of yours!
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/admin_config.pl?read=76878

you can find all the old archives using the search button, from the home page!


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Quoted from Melissa_J
Could be dermatitis herpetiformis...looks a bit like scabies or shingles (I thought it was one of those when I had it)


Here is a 'link' to a few articles on this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dermatitis+herpetiformis&btnG=Google+Search

This is often confused as psoriasis and eczema by the all knowing MD's.  



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I'd describe dermatitis herpetiformis as constellations of mosquito-bite-like bumps that at their worst are red and itchy and look like they are filled with clear fluid, at their mildest they are just little semi-hard bumps. They usually affect elbows and knees and the skin above and below them, and lower back, but can appear anywhere including the face, eyes, hands, fingers, etc.

Why it sometimes flares up even when somebody is already trying their darndest to be gluten free is open for debate, but it happens. In my case I think there was some casein cross-reaction going on, as well as the after-effects of some repeated gluten-accidents. It is caused by the gluten and antigliadin IgA immunocomplexes getting cleared out of the system, through the skin.



Hi Melissa.
I think you are describing something that is happening to me.
It appears from time to time. (3 to 6 months,).
Lower back. Can be very itchy.
At the hospital gave me the general term of dermatitis and suggest antistaminic pills and cream which i never took. I try to observe as much i can so i point out the cause. At some point I put the blame on grains( bread consumption) but I am not sure.
In the main time I tried many things to sudside the itchiness. My best is to apply Bachs rescue remedy. It is very helpful. Subsides the itchiness almost immediately but dermatitis remains until to fulfil it's circle. Once I applied liqcuid propolis on top of it and it worked fine as it 'dried' (shrink) immediately and disappear.
It has been now a month that I am doing the oil pulling and it appears one day but only for a day and gone. ( It all happend so fast that I didn't even had time to apply propolis) Coincidence? Don't know.
I always meant to keep a diary on that but always forget.
It can't be only the grains as I am careful and stay away. It must be some other cause, still to me indefinable.
It is caused by the gluten and antigliadin IgA immunocomplexes getting cleared out of the system, through the skin
I wish I could understand more of that.


PEACE

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Hi Al Ge,
I haven't heard the term "barking" since I was young and growing up in the Appalachian Mountains.    That's what my dad always said, if he "knocked the bark off his knuckles, or knees, etc."

I think bioflavanoids, if a well balanced array, would certainly not hurt, since it does so much for capillary strength.  Also a good supply of essential fatty acids, and high quality protein so that the body can rebuild.

I just looked over the type O skin protocol, and those are all good and effective supplements/and topical applications.  Give them all a try.  You can rotate things so you have an idea of what is most helpful for you.



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I just looked over the type O skin protocol, and those are all good and effective supplements/and topical applications.  Give them all a try.  You can rotate things so you have an idea of what is most helpful for you.


In the Health Series books, there are 4 different protocols, I guess you'd call them, for an O.  How would you handle that?  Do you rotate them? I would like to do the ones in the Fatigue Book but don't understand how to do so. Thanks



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Hi ion, regarding the dermatitis herpetiformis - could very well be.  Regular MD's know nothing about it, and 8 out of 10 dermatologists are poorly informed as well.  It can be diagnosed, while active, with a skin biopsy.  The only safe treatment is gluten-free diet, as well as avoiding other foods you may cross react to (most commonly milk).  Iodine can make it flare up a bit as well.


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Hi ion, regarding the dermatitis herpetiformis - could very well be.  Regular MD's know nothing about it, and 8 out of 10 dermatologists are poorly informed as well.  .


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In the Health Series books, there are 4 different protocols, I guess you'd call them, for an O.  How would you handle that?  Do you rotate them? I would like to do the ones in the Fatigue Book but don't understand how to do so. Thanks


The supplements are listed in order of which is most effective (important).  This is one way to prioritize.  
Most people find it easier to locate some supplements than others, so that may be an easier way to start.  
Or you could choose one thing from each protocol and use it for a few weeks, and then rotate to a different one.  

The Fatigue-fighting protocol on this site is pretty brief and good, so that one might be easy to follow.  CLICK

The important thing is to just begin



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Hi Vicki, Italy bound, and Lola,
Yes, I was on the old boards and kind of miss them, the smaller type size on this board, plus all the other things this board does has had me confused and frustrated.  I have had a hard time finding my way back to where I posted something.  Maybe I have some of that under control, I hope.
Friday night I had tried Witch Hazel after using ammonia to relieve the itch.  Both worked for a while, then Saturday night, and again this morning I used Tea Tree oil and that really help an itchy rash on my arm.  I get B5. Vit. A, and Biotin, but only about 5% or less of the dosage recommended in the Encyclopedia.  I will get the higher dosage and try that as recommended.
Thanks for all the help.
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Al Ge, try this to be able to view web pages easier:

http://www.ssa.gov/textsize.htm
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Thanks, Vicki, it worked on thier site bu not on this site.  I'll see if one of my computer literate sons or friends can help.
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Al, click on your name or moniker and then click on 'Find latest posts by this member'.....
that will definately take you to all your posts, and thus the name of the threads you posted in.....
you can enter any thread from there.


also when you log in the forum, press the recent thread button......that will give you an overview of all posts written that day.

hope this helps you get by more easily.


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Al, did you try this method:

If you look under View on your browsers main menu at the top of your screen, youll find an option with one of these names:

Text Size
Text Zoom
Text Magnification, or
Font Size.

Using that option, you can choose how much larger (or smaller) the text will be.
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Hi ion, regarding the dermatitis herpetiformis - could very well be. Regular MD's know nothing about it, and 8 out of 10 dermatologists are poorly informed as well. It can be diagnosed, while active, with a skin biopsy. The only safe treatment is gluten-free diet, as well as avoiding other foods you may cross react to (most commonly milk). Iodine can make it flare up a bit as well.



Melissa, hi there again. Thanks for the information.  
I am very glad that my suspicions on grains confirmed.
Milk, I never suspect.
As a person I never liked milk much. As a B, I made my efforts to include it into my diet. Lately I have Kefir grains so I use kefir drink made mainly of coats milk.
When and if appears again my weapons against it are Bachs rescue remedy (topical applications) for the itchiness and propolis as I saw its remarkable results.
Iodine can make it flare up a bit as well so as tea tree oil. a no no no.


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I only avoid iodine if the rash is already active, but it takes gluten to start it up, for me.  (I'm not sure if iodine on the skin would be a problem, or if it's just iodine in the diet)

Yes, as a B, milk wouldn't be so much a suspect, maybe soy or corn could be considered more suspect.


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but it takes gluten to start it up, for me.
after our conversation I believe is for me too.

...iodine in the diet
May you name a few iodine containing foods please?

maybe soy or corn could be considered more suspect.
As time goes by I get upset more and more with corn. It is hidden everywhere.
I spend much more time at the food store reading the ingredients than the actually shopping time.


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Hi Ion
I had a slight reaction to gluten this summer- and while I had my really bad reaction I couldnt handle milk- even thougj I have no problem with it normally- so be carefull if you think you have a gluten reaction- you can even as a B be TEMPORARY allergic to lactose. It is quite common.
Well I kicked all gluten and dairy out for about 3-4 weeks- slowly got it back.
I seem to be able to handle some ammounts of gluten ( from spelt and oats) as long as I keep it to less than 1 serving pr day.
AND I have no problem with dairy today.

Iodine- most foods contains some- but fish and dairy contains more.

YES the corn is getting into our food as well


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Thanks for your reply Henriette.
I never was diary product fun. After joining Btd I started consuming more yogurt than usual, but I never liked the commercial brands until goats milk came to town.
I love Goats yogurt and I use Goats milk to make Kefir, that I have almost every day now. Kefir has replaced all my dairy products.
I seem to be able to handle some amounts of gluten ( from spelt and oats) as long as I keep it to less than 1 serving pr day.
I am getting there too. I already make my own spelt oat cookies and may soon get my self together to make my own spelt bread.
Thanks for the iodine information.
May all be well with you.


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Yes, Vicki, I have tried those things too.  At one time the roller on my mouse worked, however it doesn't seem to work on all sites.
Thanks again.
Since Lola gave me the Determinator site I filled it in and got a list of things, mostly for old age I think, but I'm happy to know what I should be taking, I'm so busy in the shop trying to get things out the door that I have had a hard time finding time to check this site.  But I will try to get to it each evening, I really do like what I learnon here.
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I still think it is scabies and will pursue a diagnosis this week!

I found good advice in an online e-book for scabies. For those who do not know, it is a human itch mite that burrows in the skin and lays eggs/etc.

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For those with high speed internet, here's some scabies fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUzGWYMczw

and better pictures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tNUvS0_9k
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Quoted from Vicki
I still think it is scabies and will pursue a diagnosis this week!  

I found good advice in an online e-book for scabies.  For those who do not know, it is a human itch mite that burrows in the skin and lays eggs/etc.


I believe that "safe2use" product will kill them safely and environmentally.


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KK, thank you!  I am considering this company:  http://www.dermatechrx.com/Scabies/

In addition to treating affected persons, I plan to use DE on the mattresses and then bag them for a few days.
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Gee, Vicki, I never heard of them.  Can you see the entry point?  Is it a scab like location, hence the name Scabies?  I've had a rash but I get into so many things like poison oak, and slivers of old wood, and dirt in the 'barks' I get, that I'm not sure where these things come from.  Most heal up in a few days, even the barks, if I get a band aid on them before they get dirty.  At my age I have bumps and lumps and wrinkles and usually a bandaid somewhere.  But the itchy rash was different, but it went away.  Only lasted from Thursday when I first noticed it, till Sunday, after two days of Tea Tree oil.  Maybe my 6000 mg or Vit C is working.
I hope your Scabbies clear up soon.
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Al, I haven't gotten the 10X mirror out yet.  The problem with scabies is that the whole household can be infected.  It is easily transmitted!  They hide in mattresses, clothes, couches, carpets, cars, etc!
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You need to wash all bedding on a daily basis in as hot a water as possible.  Wash all surfaces daily.  It's a bear, but it can be done.

I had a rash that I thought was scabies, but a doctor determined that it wasn't.  (It's when I finally gave up hair dye.)  I even bought a microscope to try to see if I could see them.  You need at least 40x to see adult scabie bugs.


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For ion, or anyone else who suspects DH, it's important to get it biopsied when it's active, and find out. While your symptoms may be able to withstand some gluten, DH is equivalent to celiac disease as far as complications go...so once you know for sure, you would definitely want to be completely gluten free. It's simply a skin manifestation of the intestinal disease, and whether or not an intestinal biopsy is positive, the complications and long-term consequences are the same...it's more than skin deep.


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For ion, or anyone else who suspects DH, it's important to get it biopsied when it's active, and find out. While your symptoms may be able to withstand some gluten, DH is equivalent to celiac disease as far as complications go...so once you know for sure, you would definitely want to be completely gluten free. It's simply a skin manifestation of the intestinal disease, and whether or not an intestinal biopsy is positive, the complications and long-term consequences are the same...it's more than skin deep.


Melissa thank you for supporting me.
It was a pleasure to find someone to talk about it.
It was like a mystery for me. The general term, Dermatitis, they gave me at the hospital was very disappointing as I understood nothing about it.
The reason I did go at first was that I was afraid of herpes and wanted to be sure. They assure me is not.  
I'll keep your advices for further research.
Thanks a lot. Ion




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Yes, herpes is the reason they call it herpetiformis, it looks similar.  Which is why I thought mine was shingles at first, it also looks similar to herpes.

If it flares up, and you have lesions anywhere other than the rough skin on elbows and knees, then a knowledgable dermatologist can biopsy it.  The trick to finding a good dermatologist is to ask on celiac support forums and the like for your area.  I didn't find one in time to get a biopsy, but I suppose that doesn't really matter since I already know I have CD.  He was confident enough that he was willing to prescribe Dapsone, if I weren't nursing, but that alone was enough to make me get better...I certainly don't want to take that prescription, I can handle an occasional itchy knee and I don't anticipate much more than that in the future.


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I don't have it on elbows or knee either.
When it appears is a tiny area at the lower back.
I also have set a goal to deal with without medication.
Confirming by you my suspicions on gluten sets a new light in the case.  
If this is the case then is a pity as I was thinking to include spelt bread into my diet.
If I have problem with gluten then I should redirect my self on a no glutinous bread.  
Wish to both of us good luck and success.
Ion



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