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suzedgar
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hello all,
i have not posted in a long time because I stopped doing the blood type diet.  I am an O non secretor and I have been drinking coffee, milk and all the grains I want for the last year.  Amazingly enough, I really don't feel bad at all.

I have decided that probably I need to go back to doing D'Adamo's diet again for various reasons - basically because it seems to make sense.  

I have a real problem with very very dark circles under my eyes - way darker than I should have at my age of 36.  I am hoping that taking out the wheat/coffee and dairy will help. Has anyone seen improvement with the diet?  I know it is vain but I hate wearing make up and want to stop.  Also - my skin is sort of blotchy too - with occasional acne but not too bad.
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The lack of nutrients in the diet, or the lack of a balance diet, can contribute to the discoloration of the area under the eyes.

COPIED this from
http://allergies.about.com/od/darkcircles/a/aa071304.htm
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nope this is a sign of bad detox..cytochrom 450 is layed into your tissues; therefore your idea to come back to Peters' great gift is more than resonable.
I'd like to ask you to take a good aminoacid supp.ther's a goodone of Solgar's called aminos'75
then some milkthistle , or fucus and or stingingnettle, and of course some dandelion leaf extract.
Please cut back all the grains as much as you are able to and go for your normal O-nonnie diet   and loads of water ....good luck and please let us know your improvements
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Hmm - cytochrom 450. It sounds terrifying. What is that?

I remember when I gave up dairy and coffee and wheat that my under eye circles really started to go away.  I had a sneaky suscpicion that I should go back to doing D'Adamo's diet. The problem I have with the diet is that it is so restrictive and it makes food such an issue.   I have finally allowed myself to enjoy sugars etc. again and I have to say that I don't have any side affects - just the under eye circles.  I have good energy in the day, i work out alot and I eat whatever I want.  But in the back of my mind, i wonder if Dr. D holds the secret to good health.

Can you tell me more about the detoxing or lack of that my body is not doing?  It might help motivate me to do the diet again
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The dark circles are an indication the the elimination system is overloaded...  
If you continue to maintain this condition, the body will store the extra garbage anywhere else it can, choosing the least problematic areas first, but then putting it into joints, fat, bones, etc...  
The adage "You are what you eat" is really true...  If you eat things that you shouldn't, the body will become overwhelmed and deteriorate.  You may not feel it for some time, but then the recovery will be much more difficult and time consuming.  
You can be as compliant as you deem necessary, but your body is asking you to be more compliant.  It will continue to ask more aggressively if you don't act soon.


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wow - very interesting. I had not thought of the body in this way. I think alot of physical effects are from stress and the attitude of a person to life.  

How on earth do you guys do this diet without serious difficulties? Also - I think my family members think it is mad.  

I am going to ease in slowly and see how I feel.

The gritty details actually really help motivate me.  

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for most it is a sign of intolerances toward avoids and allergies, too.
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the life-long dark circles under my eyes went away after a change in diet! As an 0+ secretor I had eliminated wheat when I started the Blood Type Diet five years ago. When I eliminated all grains and starches last March the dark circles went away miraculously.



http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/otd/archives/00000431.htm


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I cannot believe that - thank you so much for that blog from Valerie.  I have suffered from dark circles my whole life.

Ugh - how on earth am I goign to do this??  Well - I will try
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You can do it - but then again I think part of it is that you mentally have to be ready to follow this BTD lifestyle.  I have times when I stray away and go back to my old ways of eating - but my body always tells me to get back to what it needs.  And if I'm in a good mental state about it and ok with the fact that I need to plan for extra time for my meals and I just do it along with excercising then everything really is just fine.  And my husband doesn't really follow much of the BTD at all - but it's interesting because he knows what I should avoid and will gently get after me when I reach for comfort foods with wheat or corn or whatever he knows I shouldn't eat.  So, it's interesting - even though he's not into the diet for himself like I wish he would be he knows what foods I do and don't do well with and will remind me sometimes.  


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The strange thing is I have been highly compliant for over 2 years, and I have removed so many health issues that I suffered pre-BTD but I have never gotten rid of those black rings under the eyes
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Quoted from suzedgar
wow - very interesting. I had not thought of the body in this way. I think alot of physical effects are from stress and the attitude of a person to life.  

How on earth do you guys do this diet without serious difficulties? Also - I think my family members think it is mad.  

I am going to ease in slowly and see how I feel.

The gritty details actually really help motivate me.  



Hello suzedgar-I remember you and have wondered what happened and now I know.  Welcome back.  

How do we do this diet without difficulties?  Baby steps...one meal at a time...one day at a time...one week at a time...one month at a time...until it becomes a way of life.  Only you can make yourself as healthy as you yourself want to be.  

Lots of reading of testimonials on here and loads of good information.  

Family thinks it is mad...mine too.    I just plug away though and remember how I felt and looked before BTD which is over 4 years ago now.  When you were on I didn't know my secretor status.  Tougher for us royalties.  

This forum is a godsend for any of us on BTD.   It has kept me going and I have made many friends(family) on here.  Do not hesitate to ask questions as someone is always willing to give a helping hand or lend an ear.

Hoping to hear more from you on here more often.

Debra



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How on earth do you guys do this diet without serious difficulties? Also - I think my family members think it is mad.

Pain is a powerful motivator...  My body was screaming at me for 20 years, but I couldn't find a doctor (medical practitioner) that was able to help significantly.  Finally, I got in contact with someone who helped and from there someone recommended this diet.  My body still screams too much, but I am getting healthier and learning sooo much.

My family first thought I was totally nuts.  Now that they see the difference, and my mother-in-law's ND recommended that she follow it, the facade is cracking.  I would like them to follow it, but if they don't, it is their loss...


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suze... welcome back home I just wanted to ask you to have an eye onto my rrrooostersis Debra she also is an O-nonnie and it's fun to see and smell her bruzeling even early in the morning, when my AB stomach gets cramps only from the smell of meat ..... but she is soooo right, dont' hear of the comments of others, Debra is one of themost interessants O nonnies because she stays  almost compliant to herselve; so far I think she might help you lots ....

Joe, know that from myselve too, but see one thingy too, the AB's are prone to get musclespasmes by themselves, why...because we  arent' aware at that moment how contracted we  are, the fear of not getting all in our minds, or just getting lost anywhere because of overloadings with too much of...is it that interesting...must that be accumulated too if we loose the fear in not being capable to know or act in whatsoever..., we'll automatically relax instantly  


btw... about cytochrom 450...please gooooooogle it ....I guess it would be too much in teutonic language or even french

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Only you can make yourself as healthy as you yourself want to be.  


Such a simple concept and such a powerful one! Thanks for the reminder!


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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wow - very interesting. I had not thought of the body in this way. I think alot of physical effects are from stress and the attitude of a person to life.  

How on earth do you guys do this diet without serious difficulties? Also - I think my family members think it is mad.  


I agree with your first statement, Suze, about a lot of physical effects are from stress and our attitudes to life.  However, without the optimal raw materials for healing and building healthy bodies, no amount of right attitude will build health.

How do we do this without serious difficulties?  In my case it was because the Serious Difficulties came when I was not eating for my blood type.  Major reality check for me, developing a life threatening illness!  Once I started eating, not just for my blood type, but especially for my Non-secretor bloodtype, the improvements were miraculous.

It may be that you are still young enough that you haven't had a major health breakdown yet.  I was the kind of person who didn't make changes in my diet until I was forced to, and I WAS forced to, or die.

We do this without serious difficulties in the same way that you drive a car or balance your checkbook.  When we learn to do it through practice, it becomes easy and natural, and for those of us who have been given another chance at life because of it, it becomes thrilling, exciting and wonderful.  I love the BTD!  It's no sacrifice or limitation at all for me.  Feeling healthy is awesome!



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You are all so nice and helpful - I really appreciate all the support.

I guess - this is my problem and forgive me - I feel like a bit awful posting this here but am very very open to be corrected.  I started the blood type diet many years ago when I was suffering from chronic fatigue and terrible muscle pain.  I had immediate relief from the diet but it did not last.  The pain continued until I found Dr. John Sarno 2 years ago who completely healed me from all the back pain.  If anyone is suffering from fibromyalgia or any kind of pain in legs/back etc. - Sarno is your man.    I discovered that the pain comes from a distraction created by the brain. Sarno's theory(and I am proof it works) is that the brain will use any part of the body to distract you away from uncomfortable emotions. His "cure" involves retraining the brain to stop doing it.    I no longer have any fatigue/any pain of any sort and even my digestive problems/constipation and skin break outs have gone away.    

Sarno believes that all diets act as very poweful placebos - they work for a while but then the pain/allergies/asthma/digestive issues eventually come back - why - because they are caused by the brain.

So - this leaves me in a quandary with the blood type diet. I have read numerous messages where people talk about their allergies/asthma or back pain etc. being helped by the diet - but I know for a fact that these have been totally cured by Sarno's work.

I feel awful posting this - because a small part of me still thinks there must be something in the blood type diet. Dr D is a very smart man and is an expert in biochemistry.    

I also find it difficult to believe the entire theory of how blood types changed - why didn't the O people who became As die off completely?  

I wonder how many people just accept the theory blindly and barely question it. It is quite an extreme theory.  Have you guys looked into the details and are you totally comfortable that this isn't just an enormous placebo affect?  Do you really know?  

This is my dilemma really.  I certainly don't want to offend anyone but would love to know your thoughts.

The other issue I have is that following this stringent diet makes one really very strange about food and eating.   It is not supposed to be an obssession and I remember when i did the diet before it was very obsessive - examing every single thing one eats is very odd.  What about all those thousands of people who eat eveyrthing and dont' seem to have any of these health problems?

I wonder if everyone who does this diet is quite a highly strung person who worries alot. I know I fit that description.  According to Sarno, this is the kind of person who has the health problems - all created by an overload of emotions in the brain

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A lot of people on this Forum swear by Sarno.  His approach to mind/body connection makes sense!  It doesn't have to be an either/or kind of choice.  Why not give the body the very best nutrition for your own bloodtype, and still take responsibility for healing your own emotional/mental traps that lock you into your pain and suffering.  

Sounds like a great combo to me!



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I like that suggestion - and that is sort of where I am going.  However, i just have this awful sneaky suspicion that this could all be conditioning of the body.  If you think you are going to react to a food, you will.

6 months ago, I decided to start eating everything again. At the beginning, my body reacted and then it stopped after a while.  The hives went away, the gas and constipation etc. went away. How could that be?  
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Suze thanks a lot for your statement  

WE, the nonnies do have a bit another chemistry as the secretors....that means we are
really a bit sur les bords because you, as being an O nonnie, stress and emotional thingies are going directly onto your body, creating pains;
we, the AB's are  similar, but we have the ability to go for those pains and releasing them by our toughy mental forces; and here I am not alone with this suggestion similar to our consoeur and frères the B's.... that won't mean that autosuggestions won't
work for you too, but very often the sp/sj style found in the O's, works different from the nt-nf-style. There are some compounds we call them hysterical processes going against their own personality (hope I am able to explain it right )
and nope...sorry here is another freudian incorrectness because, as Sarno writes in his books, there is no second gain effect or similar; because everybody is suffering his/her pains until !!!!
But we do have problems, as before to, to admit that there's unconsciousness feelings because we have been trained that we arent' allowed to have such feelings!!!
Almost the bad and agressive feelings are under that option to *delete* !!!
If we become more and more conscious, that we are alltimes manipulated or invited to play roles,  and if we give that try to stop playing those roles in form of a non-identifications to such inviters we get more and more safe and healthy in
remembering who we are.....and what we are not!
But at first I've to admit and give my accordance to such suggestions.
That is the very first step to get healthier.....
In the book *the devided mind* he writes that clearly about " mind over pains"
what is also clearly admitted since decades here in psychotherapies and even psychatric disorders.
If you try to get this in a manifest form, for example op's, it means: the person mostly needs to feel her/himself by this act....nothing else.....instead of recognizing it, it becomes merely the outlook for a healthprotecting act; but in truth it is a form of
violating the body.
I don't speak here from op's wich are saving lifes or similar: the best example here am I myselve: I wrote once from *frozy's kiss* my left shoulder became frozen...
the physioth. tried to make me believe that I've to go for an op to get off this very
painful situation...hmmm didn't believed him, didnt' go for ( I know this poor guy missed his recompense of the shnipple-doc ) but infact my private situation was that desolate, instead of acting wisely and solving those problems, I somatisized that with my left frozen shoulder...the leftside stands for our feelings....isn't that obvious ...  pppffftttt... I see the rotten tomatoes coming ;)


truly yours Isa


pst..pst...
page 104 in *the devided mind*....the pressures of life yep...yep..yep....!!!!!!
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Isa,
From my understanding, you are a supporter of Sarno's work.  So - how do you reconcile his theories with D'Adamos.  How have you improved from doing the diet? What have you seen get better?
thanks v. much
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yup..I just love Sarnos' books; but in several statements I do find the enneagram..but all in one person and it's true, depends on what is lived at this moment...but foods are capable to trigger certain psychic disorders and here it should be done (knittings ) a pond to that thema !!

It is sometimes very difficult to detect  the right point; is it a foodreaction or is it a psychosomatic response to ... or even both..... I'd like to tell you...mostly it might be both.(viva that I can work with my Vegatester )

Me, I improved lots because after my *breakdown* in 1999 as described a burn out, I found myselve with massive pains, and yesss a part of them were done by my supressed anger on my ex-partner,
but at the other hand, nowbody knew that I was (am) a non-secretor and also blessed with several foodintolerances, even named as beneficial foods, I can't tolerate f.ex. lactose,nor gluten or gliadin....
so my so called *hyserical bla-bla's* werent' at all hysterical but foodintolerances!!! But nobody did any
tests' with me, just labering a diagnose out for fun....thanks again those bloody ignorants!!
Since I am eating mostly compliant for my bloodtype, no pains anymore, no moodswings, no panicattacs, no diarrhes, no cramps, and since I stopped drinking café, no hypoglycemia anymore
ooo what a wunneful feeling , hey Madl I feel newborn
But must be honest, the BTD is my second wheel...normally I am at home also in psychotherapies and I know how it *should* work; but when being selfconcerned, you might see all in another light
Thatswhy I begun a profunder work with and on BTD, because not all is psychosomatic, it might be also somatopsychic ....or just a somatic reaction on.....
I don't think that BTD is only a tool to go against psychosomatic disorders, for me it is bloodtypespecifique nutrition with all of its compounds to maintain a healthy life

 

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thank you Isa for all your helpful insight.

What I don't understand is why I have been able to eat dairy/wheat/sugar - really all foods with no reactions. I forced myself to keep eating until the reactions went away.    You can see my dilemma??
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look at the majority of the people!

they can eat all that is available and not get sick! (or at least think they re very healthy and can get away with anything)

you might just fit into that lucky category, even if thanks to Dr D s work you now know you re a nonnie!!
pray tell me how else you would have found out about secretor status,
had it not been for Dr Ds amazing work?


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yup, the same for me, I can eat sugar but my reaction comes timereleased .....
it depends of the amounts and the time when you eat those foods; and then baddabangg, the reaction appears.....I see that sometimes in my work with this tester, when the *normal* outbursts of other
reaction are appearing (as described in LR4YT or the encyclop), the so called *very individual* symptomes, or even no-symtomes but see also this form of eating should also be concidered to be
a preventive work....

I always must smile when hearing from colleagues that allergies might be zapped or whatsoever therapied just away...no way, even when trying to desensibilize, it won't work for the whole life, it will come out onto another point.... ....the so called allergies are the impossibilities from your bodystructure to work with the given stuff. So better not to introduce such foods to often.

For me it was sacrosanct to have my potty of café every day....I didn't acknowledged that this stuff seems a real no-no- for us, never ever I'd give up this fine drink he-he-heee since some weeks not one cup of this stuff and dearle I feel great, no more pains on my left side (I couln't agree that it blocks the pancreatic activities) and a bit of weightloss too.
OmG...I am just knitting the gloriole for our doc  

sorry forgot to mention something, you won't see or remark it now, but please go once in your life to a therapist wich works with a similar tester like Vega, I think it's named Scio in your country, and see the results...it is more than amazing how Peter
is right with his suggestions in LR4YT....and that it was what convinced my accordingness to that form of eating ......

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your insulin receptors are dancing now Isa!! )


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Isa,
Can you tell me more about scio? I am not sure what you are referring to. I would love to be more convinced of D'Adamo's work.

I will say that this is day 2 of no coffee - and I seem to have very even energy throughout the day.  That is the first difference I have noticed.

i wish my boyfriend wasn't so terrible disappointed by me doing the diet. he absolutely hates how obsessive it is. I really love this man and hope to marry him.  How will we have a lifetime of food differences??
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Suze, if he is disappointed, that is his own emotional state and you are not responsible for it.  However, if you are being obsessive about it, your own stress and anxiety about it may be creating a different sort of problem between you that is not related to Dr. D'Adamo.

In an earlier post, you said:

"I wonder if everyone who does this diet is quite a highly strung person who worries alot. I know I fit that description. "

Everyone who does this diet is not highly strung and worrying a lot.  It's easy to project a state of mind that you are personally struggling with onto this type of eating.  

It's really just a matter of do you want to do it or not.  If not, then don't do it.  It should not be a source of stress for you.  Eat the way you want to eat and if it works for you, that's great.   If you want to eat for your blood type, then eat that way.  Just be happy!  



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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sorry dearle, I just learned about of Scio's existance, hope some members could help us out here.....
perhaps you might get further infos in goooooogeling it

hmm nope this form of eating isn't obsessive...not at all, WE are...not the diet ...oups, we might be it...sometimes; may I recommend ya to have an into Risos' enneagram for further understandings why and where some habits might be created...

wow, you too, 2ond day off caféine I do feel muchmore energized without that stuff; and I thought that I always was in need of... beurx...what an error ..huh
Nope dearle, can't immagine that he should hate that...it is merely the call for healthier lifestyle and changements, and here he gets afraid...means work...means...oups ...trallala's why didn't I do that earlier....that hurts...dearle...that might hurt
this socalled food differences is only a respect to your own individuality, nothing else and if you think that the common foodintake means to adapt your own needs to his tastebuds....ooooo...ooooo I smell directly the manipulation  
must tell you, my ex-boyfriend was an O sechi; me an AB non-sechi, do you think that our foods were often similar Not at all and he was more than amazed and felt proud that I cooked two meals completely different; until I adjusted our intakes to a bit more of AB foodies .....then he begun to cook for himself and that it was wat I wanted to be.....wooohoooo

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Good advice, Victoria - you sound very down to earth.

I should go to read some of the success stories and just make a decision.  Something keeps bringing me back here after all!
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Lola , don't know...but I think that they are just awakening and
for their time-out of regeneration  


about Scio, when googeling it, I found out it's a form of bioresonance.....
the Vega is BIT biophysic. infothe. http://www.vegamed.com or http://www.quantummed.com
it is very similar, I don't know how many possibilities of use  one might have with
Scio, but with Vega....lots

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Good advice, Victoria - you sound very down to earth.

I should go to read some of the success stories and just make a decision.  Something keeps bringing me back here after all!


You're always welcome here, Suze!  
And you're right, the decision is yours to make.  It is your own body and your life.



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to finish my hymn on BTD, since I am on BTD I experience wunneful things; at first I had to recognize my own compulsiveness, next was to enlarge my views, next was to get more tolerant, next was to learn to say :no  not this way....,next was to ask myselve if the way of doing psychotherapy is the right way; it wasn't; next was changements in that aerea, more ongoings in BTD and orthomolecular stuffs and here  was the break threw......no more fragmental views or thought, it is to be seen all together at the same moment        to choose the middle way, not right or left.....  even then that was ment to give up orthomoleculars and going into BIT, means to work with minuscules informations .........
next was: learning to feel the difference when clients present their symptoms, is it a psychosomatic dis-
order or just some manifest lacks about..... nice to work with the Vegatester
and then the big stop in manipulating people to do something for themselves; when putting em on BTD with the books and advices needed, almost all went to +++++ and I didn't have to play the role of the bady, or here comes the big therapist to get ya onto your legs
the communication between those clients and me changed dramatically, becasue once looked behind their own mechanismes, ding-doong....we can laugh together  because now both parties know from what about is the speech here !!!
I do have problems in insisting or even crying after my clients to do whatsoever...but sometimes people need to be told: and now you'll gona stop that immediately (highest voic, please)
are we that childish sometime      I am not their mother, nor father
and here I come back to Sarno's scripts and must tell you, .......myselve I am still very,very upset
against my father (he commited suicide in 01) and I realize how furieuse I am in certain situations
when people try to cheat me....but I've to show a smily face, I learned that....even better and better
but here the distortion begins...people...here lays the beginning of distortion of our souls....
and I am very glad to go the way threw supressed feelings of all kinds, to be able  getting  my life in
harmony.
I don't want to loose my aim to arrive at home....my home is in me, no-where-else ....
and please be aware how painful it is for an intp, who tries almost his/her life to flew
away from their feelings, to work on that.......my shadow to integrate here is named
rage and disdain

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hmmmm, Isa, I appreciate your self insight...thanks for sharing it.
Suzedgar....if you can use the diet for yurself without making a cult of it  you probably won't upset your boyfriend too mmuch. I use this forum for my obsessing needs, my husband is only so interested, tho I've got him off wheat and mostly potatoes.(he "thinks " he's an O)
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