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Rochelle
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I'm struggling with mild depression and lethargy and was wondering if the Fatigue book in Dr D's health library might be of help, or is this book designed for people with more serious disorders? The review seems to suggest that it is aimed at people with chronic fatigue disorders and fibromyalgia etc. My symptoms are milder. I am struggling to motivate myself to do anything, and I often (not always) feel pretty low and de-energised.

I've recently cut out coffee completely and drink one cup of black tea a day (which I plan to cut out in the next week or two). I am struggling however, to get rid of wheat and other nasties (I've done it in the past). It feels like a vicious circle. Wheat makes me feel bad and because I feel bad I can't motivate myself to nourish myself properly, so I turn to wheat or whatever. Today I've eaten a bowl of cornflakes with milk and sugar, and two bars of chocolate. On the positive side, I'm cooking lamb chops, kale and sweet potato for evening meal.

I am too tired to exercise, I can't seem to motivate myself.

In all, I feel pretty hopeless about myself, a failure because I cannot seem to do the things that I know will help. I wonder if the Fatigue book might provide some motivation or something.  
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Rochelle, are you dealing w/ any other health issues than depression?
I can tell you from personal experience, when the wheat is gone, so prob will the depression be. Corn is a big no-no too, but I'm sure you know that. To pull yourself out of this in the fastest way, get rid of the avoids. I know that is a no-brainer and harder to do than say. So I feel for ya, really I do. But I was diagnosed clinically depressed (but that was my an MD who INSISTED I take some meds  , which I didnt). I went home and really powered up on beef, broccoli and plums at the time. My point is to really concentrate on your beneficials. Within side a week, I was all better. No meds.........poooh-weeee on them!
I would use the Fatigue book for my guideline. I'm getting ready to get that book as well, as I am in adrenal failure.    Will be starting a thread on that soon. Might be of interest to you. ???
Good luck, keep your chin up and power up on the bennies.  {{{HUGS}}}




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exercise .........daily movement is key!!!
but you need to start and do it everyday, like clockwork.......a little everyday, just do it!


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Thank you, Italybound for your support, it means a lot.

I know that getting wheat out of my diet and loading up on bennies would contribute hugely to feeling better, but I just can't seem to get out of this vicious circle. I just don't have the energy or the will power, even though I know the theory.

Other health issues include:

Excess weight. Only about 12 pounds excess, but it is all located on my tummy.

Frequent headaches.

Bad PMS - my mood plummets when I ovulate and I stay low until my period. Breast tenderness for the whole fourteen days.

I also wonder about adrenal exhaustion (I used to drink 2-3 cups of strong ground coffee a day until a fortnight ago).

I get a sore, inflamed mouth when I eat too much sweet stuff.

That seems enough to be going on with!  
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I hate to say, but the fatigue book will make you avoid the avoids. Sorry!  

I used that pattern before. I kept on buying nutritional books hoping to cure me. But they all said the same... they all cut out white wheat .

Your simptons seem typical of wheat, sugar, coffee, and dairy rollercoaster. The effects of coffee are probably still lingering on your body. Many times I have been depressed days after I quit coffee. A simpton which was aliviated just with the thought/possibility of indulgence.

As Lola writes, try even walking a bit, increase your meat, veg, fruit and start reducing wheat and dairy. You may have to reduce sugar as well as it might trigger wheat consumption.

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Thank you, Italybound for your support, it means a lot.
I know that getting wheat out of my diet and loading up on bennies would contribute hugely to feeling better, but I just can't seem to get out of this vicious circle. I just don't have the energy or the will power, even though I know the theory.
Other health issues include:
Excess weight. Only about 12 pounds excess, but it is all located on my tummy.
Frequent headaches.
Bad PMS - my mood plummets when I ovulate and I stay low until my period. Breast tenderness for the whole fourteen days.
I also wonder about adrenal exhaustion (I used to drink 2-3 cups of strong ground coffee a day until a fortnight ago).
I get a sore, inflamed mouth when I eat too much sweet stuff.
That seems enough to be going on with!  


Rochelle, I will help you in any way I can. I know how hard it is to get off wheat but you can do it!!  Be the little Blue Engine who says "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can" and then be one better and start saying "I know I can".  You can do it. You can  
As HARD as it is, do try to start your day w/ protein, as in meat, instead of grains. I have learned that most grains are just a no go for me. Rice and oats can make me almost comatose () in about 20 minutes. My O brother had a bowl of Rice Krispies w/ rice milk the other night and was zonked in 30 minutes.  Allowances of grain for our BT (blood type) are just a guideline. We have to pay really strict attn to what our BODIES tell us. If it makes you lethargic, upsets your stomach, upsets your sinuses, gives you a headache, makes you ache, kick'em out the door. It is tough and I'll be the very first one to step up here and say I still struggle w/ not having the conventional breakfast. Most days I don't. I just can't handle it. Protein is the way to go. Even say a hamburger, no bun, and a nice compliant smoothie would be okay. For now. Later maybe you could add in some veggies. You could even sneak in some not too strong tasting veggies in your smoothie. I just got a VitaMix, so I'm going to start juicing every morning. Just can't wait!!
Coffee stresses the adrenals, so glad you've gotten off that. Still in all, you have to understand you have been taxing them while drinking it. Not gettin' on ya 'bout that either. How can we 'fix' something if we don't know it needs fixin' right?
You might want to have a look at this site re: adrenals. It is where I first got my info and from there have progressed to finding out I am in adrenal failure.  
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

You also might want to look into doing a liver cleanse. I think between a sluggish liver and sluggish adrenals, you could be seeing some of the probs you are having.
Bear in mind as you read, these are only my opinions. I'm not a dr or NP, tho I rarely trust a dr anymore.      Just have some blood work done, wait 2 or 3 wks, ask them to fax you a copy and take a look at it yourself (or someone who knows how to read it). Odds are there will be 'something' your dr should have contacted you and spoken w/ you about. Odds are they did not. Think they're overbooked? Yeah, me too.  

A good colon cleanse is probably in order here too. Personally I'd do the colon cleanse first, so that when you do the liver cleanse, everything moves right on out, instead of sitting in your colon.
Hang in there girl!    

Just wondering, while you were drinking that coffee, were you also eating a donut or pastry of some sort? Coffee seems to trigger that. We think coffee, we think donut. Vicious merry go round. Gotta get off it before you wind up like me.  





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Wheat makes me feel bad and because I feel bad I can't motivate myself to nourish myself properly, so I turn to wheat or whatever. Today I've eaten a bowl of cornflakes with milk and sugar, and two bars of chocolate. .....
I am too tired to exercise, I can't seem to motivate myself.

In all, I feel pretty hopeless about myself, a failure because I cannot seem to do the things that I know will help.


WOW, I could have written this 3 months ago pre BTD!! Let me encourage you to start eating spinach, and lots of it.  When you fall into the cereal trap (I have been there over and over again for days at a time  ) try to think beef instead. I know how hard it sounds, but it truely works.  When you get some energy, premake some sauted steak strips with carmelized onions and portabello mushrooms or any other way you like that is type O beneficial like broccoli flowerets) .  Keep it in the fridge and reheat when the cereal trap seems to be learking. I can't tell you what a difference that will make.  I can say that if I don't eat spinach at least once a day, I end up back to what you described.  I thought I was going to die when the recall came a few weeks ago and there was no spinach to be found.  I survived on the frozen ones I could find.  My husband and I were following the arthritis book and it worked pretty well, since I combined the fatique and allergy book with it, but it still did not work as well as I had hoped. So I went through the fatigue book and combined the arthritis and allergy book with it, the fatigue protocol being the main focus.  It has made a huge difference in my life.  Also, B12 from the NAP will help you greatly with the energy.  Another thing that help a great deal is getting my secretor status checked. That helped me to further refine the diet to my specific needs.

And....as the others said, stay away from all grains as best you can.  It will be hard at first, but replacing it with the beef will help alot.  If you do "need" the fix, try the Ezekiel 4:9 cereal. It is much like grape-nuts, but is a neutral allowed frequently, so will be far less harmful than corn flakes.  Use a little soy milk and sweeten it with some dry blueberries   Yummmmmmmy, you may just have a new favorite.

And lastly, don't be to hard on yourself for not being able to get moving to exercise. Not everyone can do even a little at first.  When you feel you can, do so, even if it is just up and down the stairs once.  First get your energy up enough to take the stairs, then do   I have had folks tell me to just move a little when getting up out of bed was all I had energy for, just to move to the couch.  I would think "if a battery is to low to make the flashlight work, encouraging it isn't going to help. You need to recharge the batteries and then the flashlight will work!! and right now I need to be recharged" It is the BTD, expecially beef, spinach and B12 that recharged me enough that I now can take the stairs.  Set your priorities to what you know you can do right now and focus on that.  With each step the next priority will be with in reach and you will have slowly made your way to stronger happiers days.
My best to you, Sandy O
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other than the good suggestions so far, I would recommend (if you are not already doing this to some degree) not staying up late...past 10am... in artifical light of any kind...screws up your seratonin and melatonin which are hormones that effect your mood and daytime energy levels. Aim for 9 hours(fall and winter months when the days are short) of sleep or repose in a dark bedroom environment without any artificial light streaming through your windows or even coming from an electric alarm clock. You might find you will start to have the energy to exercise as well. Stay away from TV watching after sun down and keep your dwelling lit low. Sun is important for mood as well...get as much when it's up without burning your skin or wear a good natural sun blocker

These suggestions are cheap and hopefully will make u cheerful


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Great point mikeo!! I would add that the computer is even worse than the TV at night.

I never thought of the alarm clock, since I am very near sighted, we have it on the brightest setting, so if I sqwint just right, I can see what time it is.  I think I will lower the brightness, it may be bothering Paul and we wouldn't even know it! It may be bothering me also, since I can still see light without my glasses, I don't know.  Worth trying, thanks for bringing it up!!

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I recommend that you totally cover the LED lights on your alarm clock. And if you wake up don't look at it in the middle of the night. You want your room totally dark otherwise melatonin production can be negatively effected.


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Now I know why some folks sleep with those eye masks on   I always thought they looked so uncomfortable.  Sandy O
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When I was traveling last year and staying in hostels, I would wear a mask to bed (always seemed to be in bed way before the others in the rooms) and would find that I'd slipped it off in the middle of the night. But it sure helps with blocking out the light so I could get to sleep. That and earplugs!


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Rochelle, lots of good advice here already.  I just wanted to add that maybe you could add either polyvite, or a the
b vits that Dr. D mentioned for type O's in ER4YT on page 87.  I love to go back to that first book and reread every once in a while....plus I have heard other natural health advocates mention B vits for depression, energy, etc.  Just don't take the B's at night, may not be able to sleep....good luck!
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From the Fatigue book for O's:
Top 10 Fatigue fighting foods -
1.  Lean, organic, grass-fed red meats
2.  Richly oiled cold'water fish
3.  Olive oil
4.  Walnuts
5.  Seaweeds
6.  Spinach, Collards, Kale
7.  Garlic
8.  Berries (Blueberries, elderberry)
9.  Ginger
10. Green Tea

Much success toward wellness!


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I suffer with fatigue and I have been using a rebounder.  Now after a discussion out here a couple of weeks ago, my rebounder is not the delux model but it is getting the blood circulating and my skin is kind of dewy looking after my morning bounce.  I used to get up, have my shower and wrapped up like a mummie, I'd crawl back into bed for another 10 which of couse was more like 20.  Now I get up, bounce around and then shower and get my act moving along towards the door.  I'll hop on my rebounder in the evening as well ... watch a dvd or listen to an inspirational cd and bounce away.  It's helping a lot !  Great exercise results in little time.  now if only I'd stop eating those avoids I'd be really happy !!

Off to make me a green tea with ginger in it.

Like the tip about the spinach ... thank you.  Colards and kale just aren't familiar foods to me and I can't seem to develop a craving for them.  Eat spinach fairly often though.  

Should the spinach be cooked for the best benefits ??


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Thanks for all the support and suggestions - just knowing that there are folks who care can be a great help in itself. In fact, I'm feeling more cheerful today and have eaten better than I have all week.

You have given me lots to think about and someone also mentioned the possibility of amalgam fillings contributing to the problem, so much to look into.

It sounds like the Fatigue book may help - I'm hoping it will inspire me and motivate me to get more disciplined with myself.

In general terms, I'm not taking enough exercise, probably don't eat nearly enough of the top 10 fatigue fighting foods and spend far too much time in front of the TV or computer screen after sun down.

Again, thanks.  

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Just don't take the B's at night, may not be able to sleep....good luck!


For combating fatique you are supposed to take the B12 at bedtime.  It works great for me.  Not sure why it works but it does.  The Fatigue protocol on the forum suggests it also.

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Should the spinach be cooked for the best benefits ??


Either way does not seem to matter.  I fry mine and try to keep some to throw in eggs, but I just love it and end up eating the whole package    I also use it with romain for salad.  

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Colards and kale just aren't familiar foods to me and I can't seem to develop a craving for them.  Eat spinach fairly often though.

I encourage you to branch out and try the at least the beneficial foods for your type that you haven't eaten before. I think you will find that you will really enjoy many or maybe even most or all of them. Try something new, or a new recipe, every week or two. Have fun with the BTD!

I don't know if I ever had collard greens before I started on the BTD. Now I absolutely love them and have them for breakfast just about every single day. Kale is good too.





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For combating fatique you are supposed to take the B12 at bedtime.  It works great for me.  Not sure why it works but it does.  The Fatigue protocol on the forum suggests it also.

Sandy O



Where do I find the Fatigue protocol on the forum?
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Oops, Lola, that is the link for allergies. Here is the link for fatigue

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/15.html

or you can click on the support and solutions button on the left of the home page.  The Protocols are the very first link in the list. HTH, Sandy O
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right!
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Thanks for the link  

I'm wondering if I am a bit more unwell than I thought though. I've been feeling "odd" for a while now, with occasions when I become more than usually aware of my heart beating in my chest.

Yesterday, feeling really tired, headachy and just "weird" I took my blood pressure and pulse. BP 90/49, pulse 78. They seem like crazy readings to me and were better later in the evening (my blood pressure is always at the low end of things). Today I'm feeling better, but if this continues, I'm going to have to pop along to the doctor's.
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It never hurts to see the Dr if there are questionable symptoms.  Just to eliminate the chance of it being soemthing serious.  Sandy O
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It appears I had a virus or something as a few other people were off work with the same symptoms.

I'm feeling a lot better but I've also purchased the Fatigue book. I have decided to go back to square one and follow the advice in the book for starting out on the BTD. In this first week, I've cut out wheat and dairy and plan 5 meals of red meat and three of fish, as the book suggests and am feeling positive about my progress.

I have two questions about the veggie listings in the book (for type O).

1. In the body of the text, it reads "Vegetables in the so-called nightshade family - white potatoes, bell peppers, eggplant, and tomatoes - should be avoided. They are pro-inflammatory and can interfere with thyroid function."

However, in the lists on the page opposite, eggplant, peppers and tomato are all listed in the "Neutral: allowed frequently" column. Which is correct?

2. Beet is listed in two columns, "Beneficial" and "Neutral: allowed frequently." Again, which is correct?

Thanks!  
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