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What are the repercussions or consequences of high levels of Vit K?  Not getting much of anything on google.       Since this is a vitamin that helps blood to clot, would it being high, be likely to cause stroke or heart attack?  DH's level is 1900+.  High end of the range for this is 1100+.



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High levels are more likely to cause clotting etc.  My grandfather is currently on Warfarin therapy after having heart bypasses and one thing that he really has to monitor is not getting too much Vitamin K from green, leafy vegies.   Similarly after he had his first stroke, they told him to monitor the levels of Vitamin K that he was consuming everyday.  Another thing to watch is the amount in any multi-vitamin he's taking to ensure he isn't getting too much through taking additional tablets.

Taking some Vitamin E helps with blood thinning but you'd probably need to see a naturopath for more advice on this.
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After tooling around on the internet, I'm wondering if there is another vit or mineral that is needed for Vit K to be absorbed. Like how calcium needs Vit D and magnesium. Otherwise it is just stored, I believe the term is. I had a hair analysis done once and my calcium was off the charts. It was explained to me this wasn't good, as it meant my body was not absorbing it. So wondering this same thing about Vit K. If it does need something else to help utilize/absorb it, what would that be? Hoping if this is so, it's something that can be tested thru blood.
LuHu emailed me that there needs to be good fat in the diet and I see this info on internet as well.
Any other comments would be appreciated. thanks.



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Thread here about Vit K.

http://www.afibbers.net/forum/read.php?f=4&i=19503&t=19503

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What are the repercussions or consequences of high levels of Vit K?  Not getting much of anything on google.       Since this is a vitamin that helps blood to clot, would it being high, be likely to cause stroke or heart attack?  DH's level is 1900+.  High end of the range for this is 1100+.


Pat, since we As are the ones said to have 'thicker' blood, it could well be a risk for him.  Does he have high B/P?
My husband has an awful family history of strokes and heart problems and himself suffered a cerebral haemorrhage several years ago. As you know he is now taking Vit E daily mainly because we are aware of this blood issue not because any medics have said so.
Presumably the high level has come from his food??
Food sources rich in Vit K include:
cauliflower, brussel sprouts, broccoli and spinach.
Liver, tomatoes, meat, potatoes and cow's milk.
Pretty much everyday fare!!


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Thread here about Vit K.
http://www.afibbers.net/forum/read.php?f=4&i=19503&t=19503
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joyce, thanks for allowing me/us access to this article. as soon as i get a bit to eat, i'm going to have my nose firmly planted in this article.
Janet, Rich does not have high B/P thank goodness!!   I was unaware that A's had thicker blood to begin with. I'm sure I read it when I first started but the 'old timers' has helped me forget, I guess.   I will be doing a bunch of research in the BTD books today, as well as faxing his blood work results to Dewey. Much info from him, just have to filter w/ BTD in mind.  
I did alot of looking at Vit K foods and I just about 'you know' when I saw all the Vit K rich foods!!  He's been eating a ton of those, so hope I can 'convince' him by showing him what they are, that he needs to stay away from them.
You mention Joseph is taking Vit E to thin his blood. He takes 400 IU a day if I remember correctly, right? Will talk to Dewey, chiro and dr about this and get him started if all think it's a good idea.
Wonder if there is other info that any of you might need to have an opinion on the Vit E thing. Are any of his other blood test results relevant in the high Vit K count? Does anything else convert to Vit K that is not a Vit K food? I don't even know if I'm asking that correctly. My head is swimming w/ all this. It's easy to sit back and help someone else w/ this stuff, but when it hits this close to home, it stirs up a lot of turmoil.  For me anyone. It took me 42 years to find my prince, don't wanna go back to frogs. .  



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Getting back to the calcium.  If you have very high levels of calcium in your blood it is an indication that you might be leaching out of your bones and that is caused generally by a parathyroid tumor.  I had one of those 10 years ago and had to have surgery to remove it.  Most of the time they are benign, parathyroid adenomas, but leaching calcium out of your bones is a problem for more than just osteoporosis.  The calcium controls your "electrical system" as it were.
It also makes you exceptionally tired.  That's how mine was diagnosed.  I felt like I could hardly put one foot in front of another.
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Getting back to the calcium.  If you have very high levels of calcium in your blood it is an indication that you might be leaching out of your bones and that is caused generally by a parathyroid tumor


his calcium is low. he is taking some phytocal when I am around to give it to him.       this is something we'll have to discuss today. HE really needs to step up and take some responsibility for his own health if he wants to stay around. This high Vit K thing could turn out to be serious it seems.



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Hi Pat,

one of the main tasks (blood thickening is only one) of vitamin K2 (the human kind, K1 is the plant kind), is to accurately place calcium in bones and teeth [www.lef.org].  His 'high' K readings may be a natural consequence of too low calcium.

John


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Hi Pat,
one of the main tasks (blood thickening is only one) of vitamin K2 (the human kind, K1 is the plant kind), is to accurately place calcium in bones and teeth [www.lef.org].  His 'high' K readings may be a natural consequence of too low calcium.John


John, thanks so much. This makes me feel better. So when his calcium comes up, his K should go down?  Can you point me to something to 'back that up'. And please don't take that as me not believing you. The DH is not one to just take my word for anything, he needs 'proof'.   Guess that's a good thing, really.



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yep,

at the site http://www.lef.org use the local search engine there because the site is huge.  Type is 'vitamin K' and it will take you to some very good (Life Extension Magazine) LE articles.  for print ............

John


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yep,at the site http://www.lef.org use the local search engine there because the site is huge.  Type is 'vitamin K' and it will take you to some very good (Life Extension Magazine) LE articles.  for print ............John


thanks John. I'll definitely be reading those articles.  Hugs to ya!!



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