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Got the DH's test results back yest.  His CRP was 16!!    10 is considered high. While it does not tell where the inflammation is, it does tell me there is a lot of it somewhere.     I would like to know what is most inflammatory just so I can pass the info along. He can do whatever pleases him most w/ it.     This is me, stepping way back....................  
He did, however, ask me yest if this is why he doesn't feel it when he gets minor cuts. No. ( I tend to think this is just because he's so engrossed in what he's doing-so does he actually-tho, ya never know, maybe there is something to all that) So then he asks: Is it why he's so achy? Yes. So at least he's connecting things a bit. Will see how things go.

What I'm really looking for here is to find out which foods are THE MOST inflammatory so maybe he can start w/ those first. I'll look in the Arthritis book, but if some A's would give me some personal experience on it, it might help him to see.
Thanks in advance.




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AVOIDS!


that goes w/o saying  , I need some specifics, so he can have a choice of what to give up first, as I know he's not going to give up all avoids at once.



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Pat, Pork for one is full of acid and could well be affecting his hormones (re he's always hot). You know they pump the pigs full of hormones for growth and against diseases etc.
Maybe he might start with avoiding this one?? Hope so, for his sake.


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Don't you have the Arthritis book? If so, Dr. D mentions CRP in that, including that particularly in men low CRP shows a strong correlation to regular exercise (page 195). CRP is also mentioned on page 28.

The Cardiovascular Disease books mentions it on page 18 indicating that low-grade infection can be linked to elevated CRP.

Sounds like he might need a strict Health Library book form of the BTD for a while.


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Arthritis Book top PRO-inflammatory foods: (bad)

Red meat
Cow's milk-based dairy foods
Corn, cottonseed, peanut oil
Kidney, navybeans
Wheat
White potatoes
Bell peppers
Eggplant
Tomato and tomato roducts
Oranges
Food additives
Processsed sugar

Arthritis Book: top ANTI-inflammatory foods for Type A (good{

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold water fish
Flax (linseed)oil
Olive oil
Onion
Broccoli
Spinach, kale, collards
Avocado
Pineapple
Blueberries, cherries, elderberries
Ginger
Turmeric
Green tea

From the Cardiovascular Book, top heart healthy foods:

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold-water fish
Olive oil
Walnuts
Mushrooms (maitake/silver dollar)
Garlic
Leafy green vegetables
Blueberries, blackberries, cherries
Pineapple
Ginger
Herbal teas (chamomile, dandelion, hawthorn)
Green tea

Hope this helps!


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Is he overweight?  If so, that can contribute to a higher number because CRPs are carried by/through (?) the fat cells.

In any event, it may not be such a concern.  From what I have heard, the CRP reading is beginning to lose some credibility (yes, just as it is making its way to public consciousness).  


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Quoted from ironwood55
Don't you have the Arthritis book? If so, Dr. D mentions CRP in that, including that particularly in men low CRP shows a strong correlation to regular exercise (page 195). CRP is also mentioned on page 28.
The Cardiovascular Disease books mentions it on page 18 indicating that low-grade infection can be linked to elevated CRP..


I think I have both books. will look that up when i get home. Rich gets plenty of exercise or did before he got so tired. before he got so tired, he worked from sun up to sun down. literally. all the time.
apositive, he is about 20 lbs overweight also.
his WBC count in July was fine. maybe we should've had that redone also, but wasn't sure what the ins co would pay for again. will talk to chiro about it. i think i'm also going to look for a good endocrinologist.
KK, thanks so much for that big long list you typed.      what goes around comes around eh?  



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i think i'm also going to look for a good endocrinologist.

Does he really want to go to a bunch of doctors, get tested, probably end up taking a bunch of drugs   or would be prefer to clean up his lifestyle and hopefully be healthy?

The BTD may be all he needs to do.

Maybe you should make sure he clearly understands the choice and the ramifications of each choice, if you haven't done so already.    


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Besides the doctors will probably only treat symptoms instead of really identifying and treating the cause of the health problems.

The BTD will go far along the path of treating the cause, although it may not be all that is required.

I speak from experience, lots of it!


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MoDon and Victoria, thanks for the feedback.
The DH will change what he eats before he winds up taking a lot of drugs, I think.     very hopeful in that statement, but he really resists taking drugs. good for him.
He is aware that drugs only treat the symptom and what really needs to be taken care of is the cause. However I will be sure to remind him of such.
I was looking over the list KK so kindly posted. Now w/ the high Vit K issue, a bunch of those foods are knocked out- for the time being anyway. Will try to incorporate the other ones post haste.
Just got back his secretor test today and he's a secretor! Thank goodness!!!




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It's fantastic how you can improve and heal w/o paying the doctor... he is not God you know, not Caesar either, you are not necessarily compelled to bring him those sacrifices or gifts ... he is not the Big Brother either ... nor your sole protector... I am allowed to give the bloodwork after I feel a lot better if I like...



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Rich gets plenty of exercise or did before he got so tired.


The Fatigue book has the 10 fatigue-fighting super foods for A's as:
1. †Soy based foods
2. †Richly oiled cold-water fish (salmon, sardines)
3. †Olive oil
4. †Walnuts
5. †Dark leafy greens (spinack, kale, Swiss Chard)
6. †Onion
7. †Berries (Blueberries, cherries, elderberries)
8. †Ginger
9. †Garlic
10. †Green tea

It also states that oils high in omega-6 fatty acids, which stimulate the inflammatory response. †These oils include corn, cottonseed, and peanut oils.

Lab research has identified at least five natural phytochemicals in nuts that regulate the immune systemand act as anti-oxidants.

... a few beans contain immunoreactive proteins and should be avoided... †Listed as avoid are Copper, Garbanzo, Kidney, Lima, Navy, and Tamarind.

Yams should be avoided completely... †Bananas and oranges contain A-reactive lectins and should be avoided...

Hope this helps! †


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Just got back his secretor test today and he's a secretor! Thank goodness!!!


Thank goodness because they have less health issues?  Because A nonnies get more food choices....27 foods change value from A secretor to A nonnies.  More I think, than any other type.



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The Fatigue book has the 10 fatigue-fighting super foods for A's as:
1.  Soy based foods
2.  Richly oiled cold-water fish (salmon, sardines)
3.  Olive oil
4.  Walnuts
5.  Dark leafy greens (spinack, kale, Swiss Chard)
6.  Onion
7.  Berries (Blueberries, cherries, elderberries)
8.  Ginger
9.  Garlic
10.  Green tea

It also states that oils high in omega-6 fatty acids, which stimulate the inflammatory response.  These oils include corn, cottonseed, and peanut oils.
Lab research has identified at least five natural phytochemicals in nuts that regulate the immune systemand act as anti-oxidants.
... a few beans contain immunoreactive proteins and should be avoided...  Listed as avoid are Copper, Garbanzo, Kidney, Lima, Navy, and Tamarind.
Yams should be avoided completely...  Bananas and oranges contain A-reactive lectins and should be avoided...
Hope this helps!  


ABJoe, thanks!  Unfortunately some of those foods like dark leafy greens will not work as his Vit K is off the charts already. Scary!!  Onions upset his stomach really bad, so no on those too, but will try to incorporate the rest.
no  corn, cottonseed, and peanut oils used in this house. unless they are in some of the cr*ppy foods HE eats.
We eat very few beans and when we do, they're northern. good news on that front.
he does eat s/potatoes even after I mentioned they are avoids. will add this info to the list. he used to eat bananas every day, has really backed off those too. no oranges around here for a long time.  funny thing too, he used to eat a lot of broccoli, but for the past 3 wks at least he has said no thanks. and good thing too, it is high in Vit K. yes, our bodies tell us lots of things, if we just listen,right?
Still looking for some A personal experience. Thanks.



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Italybound, potatoes are pretty much the worst avoid I can eat (well, let me rephrase that...); potatoes are the worst avoid that I've eaten in the last year. They sit in my stomach like a rock, and my joints start to swell up within an hour of eating them; specifically in my hands, knees, and feet. I haven't eaten many other big avoids...like red meat...for years, but I do know the potatoes are WAY bad for me.

Pre-BTD, it used to hurt to get up in the morning...my feet especially. But I haven't experienced that problem for a long time, and I still do occassionally eat peppers and tomatoes (my little secret is out).


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Quoted from KimonoKat
Arthritis Book top PRO-inflammatory foods: (bad)

Red meat
Cow's milk-based dairy foods
Corn, cottonseed, peanut oil
Kidney, navybeans
Wheat
White potatoes
Bell peppers
Eggplant
Tomato and tomato roducts
Oranges
Food additives
Processsed sugar

Arthritis Book: top ANTI-inflammatory foods for Type A (good{

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold water fish
Flax (linseed)oil
Olive oil
Onion
Broccoli
Spinach, kale, collards
Avocado
Pineapple
Blueberries, cherries, elderberries
Ginger
Turmeric
Green tea

From the Cardiovascular Book, top heart healthy foods:

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold-water fish
Olive oil
Walnuts
Mushrooms (maitake/silver dollar)
Garlic
Leafy green vegetables
Blueberries, blackberries, cherries
Pineapple
Ginger
Herbal teas (chamomile, dandelion, hawthorn)
Green tea

Hope this helps!


Thanks KK; that list really helps me. Even though I occasionally do partake in tomatoes and chile peppers, the rest of the major avoids, are avoided...and I do manage to get in almost all of the top anti-inflammatory (good) foods several times a week.


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The key to helping may be in making absolutely scrumptious foods that are highly beneficial for him.  
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The key to helping may be in making absolutely scrumptious foods that are highly beneficial for him.  


this is soooooo true and partly why I guess I was so upset that he sorta threw in towel after only 2 wks. I did knock myself out doing this. and I have little time as it is, with getting up no later than 4:30 AM. don't get home til 4:30 PM and then if I spend all my time cooking, which I did, and get to bed when I should - no later than 9 - leaves little time for anything else.   ya no, no time for me. guess I'm just selfish. .  really I don't mind giving my time if it's appreciated. on the other hand, there does come a point where you do have to have some time for you.
Drea, I will pass that info along to him about potatoes, again. He knows he shouldn't have them, but....................        just today, he was eating some tuna salad - only tuna, good mayo, good salt, garlic powder and some turmeric snuck in.  then he wants potato chips. I mentioned to him that they are inflammatory and left it at that. He has been eating a lot of chips lately. More fuel on the fire.  



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The key for me about potatoes was that I stopped eating them for a couple of months, then ate some because I forgot how bad they were, and WHAM! Not fun. It took me several times of this to really "get" how uncomfortable that one food makes me. Cow dairy, too, though not nearly as bad. Cow dairy makes me constipated, though.

Wheat makes me "puff up"; I can gain 5 pounds in one day from eating wheat. It also affects my joints.

Your DH will come around eventually. It sounds as if he's beginning to really notice how he feels after eating certain foods. I know for me, giving up foods that I really like, even knowing how bad they are for me and what they do to me, is difficult at best. I'm really struggling with chile peppers/cayenne.


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Drea, thanks so much for your posts. THIS is what I'm looking for. I think personal experiences will help him much more than my saying 'the book says so'.



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Yes...Drea thats exactly how potatoes and wheat affect us both. For me wheat=constipation and potatoes= swelling of the joints, especially my hands. I have wondered if that is why I'm not having any probs with fibromyalgia, since I completely stopped eating them.

Now my secret...and boy did I pay for it!!
Tuesday we had a day in the city looking at new cars. I was so organised made us spelt bread sandwiches with canned salmon and cucumber...all fine, we ate them on a seat over looking the Mediterranean Sea...wonderful. THEN I crossed the road to a bar to use the loo and spotted some double choc ice cream!! Worst of all, I know ice cream is bad for my husband but somehow we both agreed we shouldn't, but did. Later (because I was hungry) we went into a cake shop and bought two fresh cream eclairs and two truffels...which we scoffed before we drove home.
Next day....my stomach was awful, I was soooo constipated and I mean, bad!! I ate nuts/fruit to try and shift that awful WHEAT, one little cake wasn't much but I never eat it. My husband's stomach was not only bad because of the ice cream but also the fresh cream.....was it worth it...NO!!
I agree that sometimes we learn the hard way.

If Rich (himself) can identify just what is making him feel so bad, I'm sure, through necessity he'll want to stop.


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Now my secret...and boy did I pay for it!!
Tuesday we had a day in the city looking at new cars. I was so organised made us spelt bread sandwiches with canned salmon and cucumber...all fine, we ate them on a seat over looking the Mediterranean Sea...wonderful. THEN I crossed the road to a bar to use the loo and spotted some double choc ice cream!! Worst of all, I know ice cream is bad for my husband but somehow we both agreed we shouldn't, but did. Later (because I was hungry) we went into a cake shop and bought two fresh cream eclairs and two truffels...which we scoffed before we drove home.
Next day....my stomach was awful, I was soooo constipated and I mean, bad!! I ate nuts/fruit to try and shift that awful WHEAT, one little cake wasn't much but I never eat it. My husband's stomach was not only bad because of the ice cream but also the fresh cream.....was it worth it...NO!!
I agree that sometimes we learn the hard way.
If Rich (himself) can identify just what is making him feel so bad, I'm sure, through necessity he'll want to stop.


Oh, dear Janet, haven't we all been there?  
and hopefully since Rich does see how some things affect him, he will hop on board all by his little lonesome. He rarely consumes beef anymore unless he's faced w/ no other alternative.  Now, if we could just get rid of the bacon, sausage, pork and taters to start with. Ha, that's a lot of startin' huh? Tryin' to keep this light in MY mind so I don't try to 'hit' him w/ too much at once.



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Pat - Would he substitute potatoes for rice or pasta eg spelt or quinoa type, there are others too but Joseph eats these and says they don't taste that much different to wheat.
I know a potato is a potato and we can't even have sweet potatoes but.....  


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Pat - Would he substitute potatoes for rice or pasta eg spelt or quinoa type, there are others too but Joseph eats these and says they don't taste that much different to wheat. I know a potato is a potato and we can't even have sweet potatoes but.....  


we use rice pasta here and just hoping he'll stay away from potatoes of all kinds. i haven't really tried spelt or quinoa. well actually i did try quinoa once in a dish and wasn't impressed, but try it in something again.



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I'm really quite impressed with Nutrition Kitchen's soybean pasta (probably only good for those who can do soy). I've always liked my pasta cooked al dente, and the sb pasta has a similar texture. You might try that for your DH. One box isn't going to break the bank, and it's very high in fiber and protein.


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Drea, I'll surely check into that! thanks for the info. how much more expensive could it be than rice pasta, ya know.    guess I'll find out in a minute. really tho even if it's more and he'll eat it,  it'll be worth it.



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Proinflammatory foods for me in this order

1. soy and sugar
2. wheat
3. potatoes

top inflammation busting foods

1. pineapple, but I eat very †little my mouth just cannot handle it
2. garlic

many of the other foods listed for A's do very little at least in my case, maybe because they only apply to secretors.


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Proinflammatory foods for me in this order
1. soy and sugar
2. wheat
3. potatoes
top inflammation busting foods
1. pineapple, but I eat very  little my mouth just cannot handle it
2. garlic
many of the other foods listed for A's do very little at least in my case, maybe because they only apply to secretors.


soy? really? oh my, hope this won't be true of the DH. Made an 'ice cream dish' the other night w/ soft tofu, a little soy, frozen strawberries, vanilla, veg glyc and xylitol (used both so neither flavor would be overpowering).  he said after eating it, that his tummy hurt.      thought it might have been the xylitol as I hear it *can* cause gas. now gotta wonder if it was the soy. I plan to make some more w/o the xylitol tho. will be a good test.
have you tried the bromelain for your "pineapple" goodness?   tried to get the DH to take some. no luck yet. will sneak one in somewhere .



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Well, this is timely.

I just got my test results back from my regular checkup and shocked to find out:

anemic & low red blood cell count
CRP count is also not good (Doctors know I now have allergies but to what?)
cholesterol is still safe but climbing (due to entering menopause)
sedemintation in my urine test but not to worry
very low blood sugar (hypoglycemic?)
weight is okay but fat portion is over 30!
found a calcified lump in the right breast but not cancer

All this in one year!
Well, I am going to have to refine my diet.

I cannot find a naturopath or homeopath here in Japan. So, I am looking at Chinese wholistic approach. I took some tests just to learn that I have little "ki", my liver is overworking, and blood pressure of 93/71 is not good. (Apparently not enough difference.) So, I am taking herbs which I boil up and make a tea from I do feel better. Trying to cut out all wheat. I do not eat meat. I was also told to find ways to cut down the stress. I guess it is time to pull out my yoga tapes.

Still have chronic sinuous infection on the left side but refuse to take any more antibiotics, so that could account for the CRP rate. Also, my knees sometime hurt so I think I'm getting or have arthiritis (runs in the family). I will have to watch the lump as my aunt and mother had breast cancer over 15 years ago and both are going strong. I'm surprised considering what they eat is quite bad. (Both are As.)

So, a bit surprised and down-and-out after getting the results back. I always have had problems with my hormones and know my doctor is recommending I go on hormone therapy (2 hormones to balance each other out). I take the pill now to control my symptoms and am somewhat reluctant to take stronger hormones.

So, what is causing my inflammation, probably sugar and wheat. Have you seen the new books on inflammation disease and anti-inflammation diet? Interesting what the research has come up with. I also am taking alot of soy products and drinking plenty of green tea and water. It will be interesting to see what the results will be like when I go back in a few weeks for more testing.

Other than the diet, I am wondering what supplements from the BTD store would be good.

All the comments have been real useful.




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northstar, if you can afford saliva testing, I'd suggest that. I just did one for cortisol, dhea, progesterone, gluten intolerance, grain intolerance and something else.  Chiro/NP is thinking my cortisol is upside down as I'm dead tired each and every day I wake up and resist going to bed at night, tho I sleep well when I do.  Should get results back this week. will let you know what becomes of it if you're interested in any saliva testing.



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try the determinator here on line.......might give you more targeted advice for supplementation.


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Got the DH's test results back yest. †His CRP was 16!! † †10 is considered high. While it does not tell where the inflammation is, it does tell me there is a lot of it somewhere. † † I would like to know what is most inflammatory just so I can pass the info along. He can do whatever pleases him most w/ it. † † This is me, stepping way back.................... †
He did, however, ask me yest if this is why he doesn't feel it when he gets minor cuts. No. ( I tend to think this is just because he's so engrossed in what he's doing-so does he actually-tho, ya never know, maybe there is something to all that) So then he asks: Is it why he's so achy? Yes. So at least he's connecting things a bit. Will see how things go.

What I'm really looking for here is to find out which foods are THE MOST inflammatory so maybe he can start w/ those first. I'll look in the Arthritis book, but if some A's would give me some personal experience on it, it might help him to see.
Thanks in advance.


I haven't been doing the BTD eating plan very long, but I can definitely tell a difference in my sinuses and mucous production. †It seems to me that the biggest factor for me is dairy. †I have not touched anything †except legals in that area and my sinuses are sooooo much better. †I have been drinking nothing but WestSoy Milk and using it on my cereal. †Normally this time of year, I have a lot more trouble with allergies and sinuses, but not so this time. †I usually end up in the doc's office every Fall. †I am not using any of the steroid sprays for my sinuses either. †I have been drinking the warm lemon water first thing each morning and avoiding milk, cheese, etc. †So far, it seems to be helping a lot. †
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Dear Italybound,

Yes, do let us know.
I've never heard of this test and definitely would be interested in the results.

My Chinese doctors tell me my body is in overdrive: stressed out and working hard to maintain a balance that isn't there.

Since I'm taking these herbs I go twice a day and feel more energetic. The problem is making the tea each day is a hassle and the taste is just.......

Suzanna


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Dear Italybound,Yes, do let us know.
I've never heard of this test and definitely would be interested in the results.


will do. if I don't post them by Wed or so, just give me a little reminder. still needing the ginko to remember things. .  



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Northstar,
If you're living in Japan and eating a lot of ??? stir fry ??? you're probably ingesting peppers and eggplant. †They are nightshades just like potatoes and although they don't, in general, seem to be as problematic to most A's as potatoes, they may be causing some of your knee pain. †All my joint, muscle, foot and hand pain, and most tendon pain vanished after I discontinued nightshades. I still have small issues with where muscles and tendons attach to my shoulders, but that my be caused in part to carrying around children. †I am just as sensitive to peppers and tomatoes as I am to potatoes.

Italybound,
If you want some more A testimonies, I will second what the others have said: †wheat and nightshades inflame joints and muscles. †Dairy in me causes diarrhea, not constipation (I was a little surprised to read that's what it does to some others) and bowel mucus. †Your husband may be going through what I went through for about 3 solid months after I started the BTD----nightshade cravings. †I remember pacing the house mumbling, "All I want is a baked potato. †I'd be perfectly happy with spaghetti sauce over some rice noodles. †Can't I just eat one slice of bell pepper? †Oh, for some spice. †Good grief, what's a curry without heat? †Ohhhh, eggplant parm------STOP IT!!!" †I did this every single day for three months. †Then the cravings vanished because I didn't give in even once. †When eventually I did have some pepper, all those cravings came roaring back and I'd DREAM about eating spaghetti sauce with spicy meatballs dripping with yummy red mmmmmm. †I think this is what they call addictions. †Food addictions. †When your body NEEDS something (or makes you think you need it) when it's actually causing a lot of harm. †Now I avoid them like the plague because I can't deal with cravings and the skin issues the nightshades cause. †Nightshades, I have read on this site, stay in your body for up to 3 months. †Isn't it interesting--that's how long my cravings would last before they'd go away. †And that's about how long my skin boils lasted (pre-Deflect). †Would your husband consider reading this one post? †About food addictions and how, if he can just get through the aweful cravings, he can come through on the other side and feel so much better......My husband explained it to me this way: †when your body is allergic to something, it creates all these antibodies to it. †So you have all these nightshade (or whatever) antibodies floating around. †When you eat a nightshade (especially potatoes, it seems), your body uses up all those antibodies and you feel pretty good (comfort food, anyone?) ...... for a little while. †Then the antibodies come swarming back and you crave it again. †If you can ride it out and not give in to those cravings, the antibodies will calm down and you will find that you feel so good without those foods, you didn't know what "feeling good" was before.

So my suggestions for what to give up first would be red meat, nightshades (that sounds like the problem to me, if he's GOT to have chips---and he does! †It fulfills a physical need--using antibodies), wheat and dairy. †Switching to spelt from wheat is pretty easy. †Giving up dairy is getting easier with all the soy substitutes. †Ground turkey is a pretty good sub for ground beef if you add a little cumin and a lot of salt. †Unfortunately, I regret to say there is no substitute for tomatoes or potatoes or peppers. †I still miss spaghetti terribly and I miss potatoes, but my thoughts are more along the lines of bittersweet memories of a bygone era of life, and no longer physical cravings that drive me crazy. †As has been said many times before, there are avoids, and then there are AVOIDS. †Butterbeans don't bother any A that I know of, yet they're an avoid. †Potatoes bother every A who's spoken up.


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excellent virtual summary of 'fighting the craving monsters'!!


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Unfortunately, I regret to say there is no substitute for tomatoes...


Ribbit, have you tried No tomato Tomato Sauce? I made a batch that tasted suspiciously like italian style tomato paste.


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Pro- Inflammatory for me (but I'm an odd one)

soy
unfermented dairy
pork!!!
eggplant
peppers-  pretty much any night shades other than tomatoes


Anti-Inflammatory for me
BROCCOLI
avocado
eggs
broccoli
peaches
apples/pears
green beans
rutabegas
broccoli
turnips
garlic
lemon
ghee
sea salt

......um did I mention Broccoli, honestly if I'm really sick this is the only thing I want to eat, brussel sprouts too, but especially broccoli




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I'd DREAM about eating spaghetti sauce with spicy meatballs dripping with yummy red mmmmmm. ††I still miss spaghetti terribly


Ribbit, thank you for your post. Will comment later when I have more time, but wanted to mention something for you. † Have you tried rice spaghetti? Tinkyada makes a good noodle/spaghetti/penne/lasagna noodle, you name it. That is all we use now when we do have spaghetti, which is not often anymore. † † So I'm feelin' your pain, as I loved it too. Pasta, a real hard one to give up. But at least using the rice version gets ya away from the wheat.




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spagetti squash is great too



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spagetti squash is great too


I tried that and I, personally, didn't care for it as much as the rice, but I'm sure it is prob better for ya/us. I should give that a try again. I think I'll actually add it to my shopping list today. How did you make yours Laura?

Drea, thanks for linking 'us' up to the No tomato spag sauce, I've been wanting to try that and I think I have everything I need to do so. Thanks!!




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I bake mine, I think it really depends on the quality of the spagetti squash, I've had good ones and bad ones.  

One thing I would caution you and your husband about really would be rice pasta and other processed starches like that anyone with a high CRP really should get starch consumption low, especially high regardless of blood type.  That will only work to raise inflammation



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I bake mine, I think it really depends on the quality of the spagetti squash, I've had good ones and bad ones. †
One thing I would caution you and your husband about really would be rice pasta and other processed starches like that anyone with a high CRP really should get starch consumption low, especially high regardless of blood type. †That will only work to raise inflammation


I did bake mine the first time. Will try it again. It was okay, but you know, just not what you're used to when thinking of spaghetti.
Thanks for the info on CRP and processed starches, as his is off the charts.



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My husband's birthday was yesterday and I asked him what he wanted me to fix him.  Lasagna--wouldn't you know it.  I haven't smelled spaghetti sauce in over a year and a half and it was all I could do to keep from chugging it down straight out of the jar.  It's what I imagine a heroine addict feels when he walks into a crack house.  Or what an ex-smoker feels when he smells smoke again.  Or what a recovered alcoholic feels when he sees someone in a nice restaurant drinking a glass of wine.  I didn't keep my own measly dinner down, and I had a bad reaction to the sulfites in the two sips of wine I took.  What  a rotten evening.  Having to smell lasagna with real cheese and not being able to eat it.....

Spaghetti squash is really good if you drain the "noodles," then mix with sauted garlic and shallots, fresh parsley and a little fresh basil (and salt, of course).  If you want it as a main dish, slice some turkey sausage into it (pure turkey sausage is hard to find---the closest I can come is our local international farmer's market.  It's just turkey, salt and black pepper [no nitrates or nitrites!]).

I have tried the Nomato sauce and the first time I thought it was pretty good.  The second time I fixed it was a disappointment, and by the third time I fixed it I decided it wasn't good enough to take the time to make.  But that was a long time ago and maybe it's worth a try again.  My husband could hardly stomach the pink noodles.


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