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Janet
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Pat - Would he substitute potatoes for rice or pasta eg spelt or quinoa type, there are others too but Joseph eats these and says they don't taste that much different to wheat.
I know a potato is a potato and we can't even have sweet potatoes but.....  


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Pat - Would he substitute potatoes for rice or pasta eg spelt or quinoa type, there are others too but Joseph eats these and says they don't taste that much different to wheat. I know a potato is a potato and we can't even have sweet potatoes but.....  


we use rice pasta here and just hoping he'll stay away from potatoes of all kinds. i haven't really tried spelt or quinoa. well actually i did try quinoa once in a dish and wasn't impressed, but try it in something again.



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I'm really quite impressed with Nutrition Kitchen's soybean pasta (probably only good for those who can do soy). I've always liked my pasta cooked al dente, and the sb pasta has a similar texture. You might try that for your DH. One box isn't going to break the bank, and it's very high in fiber and protein.


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Drea, I'll surely check into that! thanks for the info. how much more expensive could it be than rice pasta, ya know.    guess I'll find out in a minute. really tho even if it's more and he'll eat it,  it'll be worth it.



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Proinflammatory foods for me in this order

1. soy and sugar
2. wheat
3. potatoes

top inflammation busting foods

1. pineapple, but I eat very little my mouth just cannot handle it
2. garlic

many of the other foods listed for A's do very little at least in my case, maybe because they only apply to secretors.


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Quoted from Martian_Sunset
Proinflammatory foods for me in this order
1. soy and sugar
2. wheat
3. potatoes
top inflammation busting foods
1. pineapple, but I eat very  little my mouth just cannot handle it
2. garlic
many of the other foods listed for A's do very little at least in my case, maybe because they only apply to secretors.


soy? really? oh my, hope this won't be true of the DH. Made an 'ice cream dish' the other night w/ soft tofu, a little soy, frozen strawberries, vanilla, veg glyc and xylitol (used both so neither flavor would be overpowering).  he said after eating it, that his tummy hurt.      thought it might have been the xylitol as I hear it *can* cause gas. now gotta wonder if it was the soy. I plan to make some more w/o the xylitol tho. will be a good test.
have you tried the bromelain for your "pineapple" goodness?   tried to get the DH to take some. no luck yet. will sneak one in somewhere .



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Well, this is timely.

I just got my test results back from my regular checkup and shocked to find out:

anemic & low red blood cell count
CRP count is also not good (Doctors know I now have allergies but to what?)
cholesterol is still safe but climbing (due to entering menopause)
sedemintation in my urine test but not to worry
very low blood sugar (hypoglycemic?)
weight is okay but fat portion is over 30!
found a calcified lump in the right breast but not cancer

All this in one year!
Well, I am going to have to refine my diet.

I cannot find a naturopath or homeopath here in Japan. So, I am looking at Chinese wholistic approach. I took some tests just to learn that I have little "ki", my liver is overworking, and blood pressure of 93/71 is not good. (Apparently not enough difference.) So, I am taking herbs which I boil up and make a tea from I do feel better. Trying to cut out all wheat. I do not eat meat. I was also told to find ways to cut down the stress. I guess it is time to pull out my yoga tapes.

Still have chronic sinuous infection on the left side but refuse to take any more antibiotics, so that could account for the CRP rate. Also, my knees sometime hurt so I think I'm getting or have arthiritis (runs in the family). I will have to watch the lump as my aunt and mother had breast cancer over 15 years ago and both are going strong. I'm surprised considering what they eat is quite bad. (Both are As.)

So, a bit surprised and down-and-out after getting the results back. I always have had problems with my hormones and know my doctor is recommending I go on hormone therapy (2 hormones to balance each other out). I take the pill now to control my symptoms and am somewhat reluctant to take stronger hormones.

So, what is causing my inflammation, probably sugar and wheat. Have you seen the new books on inflammation disease and anti-inflammation diet? Interesting what the research has come up with. I also am taking alot of soy products and drinking plenty of green tea and water. It will be interesting to see what the results will be like when I go back in a few weeks for more testing.

Other than the diet, I am wondering what supplements from the BTD store would be good.

All the comments have been real useful.




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northstar, if you can afford saliva testing, I'd suggest that. I just did one for cortisol, dhea, progesterone, gluten intolerance, grain intolerance and something else.  Chiro/NP is thinking my cortisol is upside down as I'm dead tired each and every day I wake up and resist going to bed at night, tho I sleep well when I do.  Should get results back this week. will let you know what becomes of it if you're interested in any saliva testing.



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try the determinator here on line.......might give you more targeted advice for supplementation.


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Got the DH's test results back yest. His CRP was 16!! 10 is considered high. While it does not tell where the inflammation is, it does tell me there is a lot of it somewhere. I would like to know what is most inflammatory just so I can pass the info along. He can do whatever pleases him most w/ it. This is me, stepping way back....................
He did, however, ask me yest if this is why he doesn't feel it when he gets minor cuts. No. ( I tend to think this is just because he's so engrossed in what he's doing-so does he actually-tho, ya never know, maybe there is something to all that) So then he asks: Is it why he's so achy? Yes. So at least he's connecting things a bit. Will see how things go.

What I'm really looking for here is to find out which foods are THE MOST inflammatory so maybe he can start w/ those first. I'll look in the Arthritis book, but if some A's would give me some personal experience on it, it might help him to see.
Thanks in advance.


I haven't been doing the BTD eating plan very long, but I can definitely tell a difference in my sinuses and mucous production. It seems to me that the biggest factor for me is dairy. I have not touched anything except legals in that area and my sinuses are sooooo much better. I have been drinking nothing but WestSoy Milk and using it on my cereal. Normally this time of year, I have a lot more trouble with allergies and sinuses, but not so this time. I usually end up in the doc's office every Fall. I am not using any of the steroid sprays for my sinuses either. I have been drinking the warm lemon water first thing each morning and avoiding milk, cheese, etc. So far, it seems to be helping a lot.
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Dear Italybound,

Yes, do let us know.
I've never heard of this test and definitely would be interested in the results.

My Chinese doctors tell me my body is in overdrive: stressed out and working hard to maintain a balance that isn't there.

Since I'm taking these herbs I go twice a day and feel more energetic. The problem is making the tea each day is a hassle and the taste is just.......

Suzanna


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Dear Italybound,Yes, do let us know.
I've never heard of this test and definitely would be interested in the results.


will do. if I don't post them by Wed or so, just give me a little reminder. still needing the ginko to remember things. .  



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Northstar,
If you're living in Japan and eating a lot of ??? stir fry ??? you're probably ingesting peppers and eggplant. They are nightshades just like potatoes and although they don't, in general, seem to be as problematic to most A's as potatoes, they may be causing some of your knee pain. All my joint, muscle, foot and hand pain, and most tendon pain vanished after I discontinued nightshades. I still have small issues with where muscles and tendons attach to my shoulders, but that my be caused in part to carrying around children. I am just as sensitive to peppers and tomatoes as I am to potatoes.

Italybound,
If you want some more A testimonies, I will second what the others have said: wheat and nightshades inflame joints and muscles. Dairy in me causes diarrhea, not constipation (I was a little surprised to read that's what it does to some others) and bowel mucus. Your husband may be going through what I went through for about 3 solid months after I started the BTD----nightshade cravings. I remember pacing the house mumbling, "All I want is a baked potato. I'd be perfectly happy with spaghetti sauce over some rice noodles. Can't I just eat one slice of bell pepper? Oh, for some spice. Good grief, what's a curry without heat? Ohhhh, eggplant parm------STOP IT!!!" I did this every single day for three months. Then the cravings vanished because I didn't give in even once. When eventually I did have some pepper, all those cravings came roaring back and I'd DREAM about eating spaghetti sauce with spicy meatballs dripping with yummy red mmmmmm. I think this is what they call addictions. Food addictions. When your body NEEDS something (or makes you think you need it) when it's actually causing a lot of harm. Now I avoid them like the plague because I can't deal with cravings and the skin issues the nightshades cause. Nightshades, I have read on this site, stay in your body for up to 3 months. Isn't it interesting--that's how long my cravings would last before they'd go away. And that's about how long my skin boils lasted (pre-Deflect). Would your husband consider reading this one post? About food addictions and how, if he can just get through the aweful cravings, he can come through on the other side and feel so much better......My husband explained it to me this way: when your body is allergic to something, it creates all these antibodies to it. So you have all these nightshade (or whatever) antibodies floating around. When you eat a nightshade (especially potatoes, it seems), your body uses up all those antibodies and you feel pretty good (comfort food, anyone?) ...... for a little while. Then the antibodies come swarming back and you crave it again. If you can ride it out and not give in to those cravings, the antibodies will calm down and you will find that you feel so good without those foods, you didn't know what "feeling good" was before.

So my suggestions for what to give up first would be red meat, nightshades (that sounds like the problem to me, if he's GOT to have chips---and he does! It fulfills a physical need--using antibodies), wheat and dairy. Switching to spelt from wheat is pretty easy. Giving up dairy is getting easier with all the soy substitutes. Ground turkey is a pretty good sub for ground beef if you add a little cumin and a lot of salt. Unfortunately, I regret to say there is no substitute for tomatoes or potatoes or peppers. I still miss spaghetti terribly and I miss potatoes, but my thoughts are more along the lines of bittersweet memories of a bygone era of life, and no longer physical cravings that drive me crazy. As has been said many times before, there are avoids, and then there are AVOIDS. Butterbeans don't bother any A that I know of, yet they're an avoid. Potatoes bother every A who's spoken up.


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excellent virtual summary of 'fighting the craving monsters'!!


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Unfortunately, I regret to say there is no substitute for tomatoes...


Ribbit, have you tried No tomato Tomato Sauce? I made a batch that tasted suspiciously like italian style tomato paste.


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Pro- Inflammatory for me (but I'm an odd one)

soy
unfermented dairy
pork!!!
eggplant
peppers-  pretty much any night shades other than tomatoes


Anti-Inflammatory for me
BROCCOLI
avocado
eggs
broccoli
peaches
apples/pears
green beans
rutabegas
broccoli
turnips
garlic
lemon
ghee
sea salt

......um did I mention Broccoli, honestly if I'm really sick this is the only thing I want to eat, brussel sprouts too, but especially broccoli




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I'd DREAM about eating spaghetti sauce with spicy meatballs dripping with yummy red mmmmmm. I still miss spaghetti terribly


Ribbit, thank you for your post. Will comment later when I have more time, but wanted to mention something for you. Have you tried rice spaghetti? Tinkyada makes a good noodle/spaghetti/penne/lasagna noodle, you name it. That is all we use now when we do have spaghetti, which is not often anymore. So I'm feelin' your pain, as I loved it too. Pasta, a real hard one to give up. But at least using the rice version gets ya away from the wheat.




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spagetti squash is great too



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spagetti squash is great too


I tried that and I, personally, didn't care for it as much as the rice, but I'm sure it is prob better for ya/us. I should give that a try again. I think I'll actually add it to my shopping list today. How did you make yours Laura?

Drea, thanks for linking 'us' up to the No tomato spag sauce, I've been wanting to try that and I think I have everything I need to do so. Thanks!!




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I bake mine, I think it really depends on the quality of the spagetti squash, I've had good ones and bad ones.  

One thing I would caution you and your husband about really would be rice pasta and other processed starches like that anyone with a high CRP really should get starch consumption low, especially high regardless of blood type.  That will only work to raise inflammation



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I bake mine, I think it really depends on the quality of the spagetti squash, I've had good ones and bad ones.
One thing I would caution you and your husband about really would be rice pasta and other processed starches like that anyone with a high CRP really should get starch consumption low, especially high regardless of blood type. That will only work to raise inflammation


I did bake mine the first time. Will try it again. It was okay, but you know, just not what you're used to when thinking of spaghetti.
Thanks for the info on CRP and processed starches, as his is off the charts.



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My husband's birthday was yesterday and I asked him what he wanted me to fix him.  Lasagna--wouldn't you know it.  I haven't smelled spaghetti sauce in over a year and a half and it was all I could do to keep from chugging it down straight out of the jar.  It's what I imagine a heroine addict feels when he walks into a crack house.  Or what an ex-smoker feels when he smells smoke again.  Or what a recovered alcoholic feels when he sees someone in a nice restaurant drinking a glass of wine.  I didn't keep my own measly dinner down, and I had a bad reaction to the sulfites in the two sips of wine I took.  What  a rotten evening.  Having to smell lasagna with real cheese and not being able to eat it.....

Spaghetti squash is really good if you drain the "noodles," then mix with sauted garlic and shallots, fresh parsley and a little fresh basil (and salt, of course).  If you want it as a main dish, slice some turkey sausage into it (pure turkey sausage is hard to find---the closest I can come is our local international farmer's market.  It's just turkey, salt and black pepper [no nitrates or nitrites!]).

I have tried the Nomato sauce and the first time I thought it was pretty good.  The second time I fixed it was a disappointment, and by the third time I fixed it I decided it wasn't good enough to take the time to make.  But that was a long time ago and maybe it's worth a try again.  My husband could hardly stomach the pink noodles.


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