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italybound
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Got the DH's test results back yest.  His CRP was 16!!    10 is considered high. While it does not tell where the inflammation is, it does tell me there is a lot of it somewhere.     I would like to know what is most inflammatory just so I can pass the info along. He can do whatever pleases him most w/ it.     This is me, stepping way back....................  
He did, however, ask me yest if this is why he doesn't feel it when he gets minor cuts. No. ( I tend to think this is just because he's so engrossed in what he's doing-so does he actually-tho, ya never know, maybe there is something to all that) So then he asks: Is it why he's so achy? Yes. So at least he's connecting things a bit. Will see how things go.

What I'm really looking for here is to find out which foods are THE MOST inflammatory so maybe he can start w/ those first. I'll look in the Arthritis book, but if some A's would give me some personal experience on it, it might help him to see.
Thanks in advance.




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AVOIDS!


that goes w/o saying  , I need some specifics, so he can have a choice of what to give up first, as I know he's not going to give up all avoids at once.



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Pat, Pork for one is full of acid and could well be affecting his hormones (re he's always hot). You know they pump the pigs full of hormones for growth and against diseases etc.
Maybe he might start with avoiding this one?? Hope so, for his sake.


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Don't you have the Arthritis book? If so, Dr. D mentions CRP in that, including that particularly in men low CRP shows a strong correlation to regular exercise (page 195). CRP is also mentioned on page 28.

The Cardiovascular Disease books mentions it on page 18 indicating that low-grade infection can be linked to elevated CRP.

Sounds like he might need a strict Health Library book form of the BTD for a while.


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Arthritis Book top PRO-inflammatory foods: (bad)

Red meat
Cow's milk-based dairy foods
Corn, cottonseed, peanut oil
Kidney, navybeans
Wheat
White potatoes
Bell peppers
Eggplant
Tomato and tomato roducts
Oranges
Food additives
Processsed sugar

Arthritis Book: top ANTI-inflammatory foods for Type A (good{

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold water fish
Flax (linseed)oil
Olive oil
Onion
Broccoli
Spinach, kale, collards
Avocado
Pineapple
Blueberries, cherries, elderberries
Ginger
Turmeric
Green tea

From the Cardiovascular Book, top heart healthy foods:

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold-water fish
Olive oil
Walnuts
Mushrooms (maitake/silver dollar)
Garlic
Leafy green vegetables
Blueberries, blackberries, cherries
Pineapple
Ginger
Herbal teas (chamomile, dandelion, hawthorn)
Green tea

Hope this helps!


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Is he overweight?  If so, that can contribute to a higher number because CRPs are carried by/through (?) the fat cells.

In any event, it may not be such a concern.  From what I have heard, the CRP reading is beginning to lose some credibility (yes, just as it is making its way to public consciousness).  


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Quoted from ironwood55
Don't you have the Arthritis book? If so, Dr. D mentions CRP in that, including that particularly in men low CRP shows a strong correlation to regular exercise (page 195). CRP is also mentioned on page 28.
The Cardiovascular Disease books mentions it on page 18 indicating that low-grade infection can be linked to elevated CRP..


I think I have both books. will look that up when i get home. Rich gets plenty of exercise or did before he got so tired. before he got so tired, he worked from sun up to sun down. literally. all the time.
apositive, he is about 20 lbs overweight also.
his WBC count in July was fine. maybe we should've had that redone also, but wasn't sure what the ins co would pay for again. will talk to chiro about it. i think i'm also going to look for a good endocrinologist.
KK, thanks so much for that big long list you typed.      what goes around comes around eh?  



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i think i'm also going to look for a good endocrinologist.

Does he really want to go to a bunch of doctors, get tested, probably end up taking a bunch of drugs   or would be prefer to clean up his lifestyle and hopefully be healthy?

The BTD may be all he needs to do.

Maybe you should make sure he clearly understands the choice and the ramifications of each choice, if you haven't done so already.    


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Besides the doctors will probably only treat symptoms instead of really identifying and treating the cause of the health problems.

The BTD will go far along the path of treating the cause, although it may not be all that is required.

I speak from experience, lots of it!


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MoDon and Victoria, thanks for the feedback.
The DH will change what he eats before he winds up taking a lot of drugs, I think.     very hopeful in that statement, but he really resists taking drugs. good for him.
He is aware that drugs only treat the symptom and what really needs to be taken care of is the cause. However I will be sure to remind him of such.
I was looking over the list KK so kindly posted. Now w/ the high Vit K issue, a bunch of those foods are knocked out- for the time being anyway. Will try to incorporate the other ones post haste.
Just got back his secretor test today and he's a secretor! Thank goodness!!!




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It's fantastic how you can improve and heal w/o paying the doctor... he is not God you know, not Caesar either, you are not necessarily compelled to bring him those sacrifices or gifts ... he is not the Big Brother either ... nor your sole protector... I am allowed to give the bloodwork after I feel a lot better if I like...



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Rich gets plenty of exercise or did before he got so tired.


The Fatigue book has the 10 fatigue-fighting super foods for A's as:
1.  Soy based foods
2.  Richly oiled cold-water fish (salmon, sardines)
3.  Olive oil
4.  Walnuts
5.  Dark leafy greens (spinack, kale, Swiss Chard)
6.  Onion
7.  Berries (Blueberries, cherries, elderberries)
8.  Ginger
9.  Garlic
10.  Green tea

It also states that oils high in omega-6 fatty acids, which stimulate the inflammatory response.  These oils include corn, cottonseed, and peanut oils.

Lab research has identified at least five natural phytochemicals in nuts that regulate the immune systemand act as anti-oxidants.

... a few beans contain immunoreactive proteins and should be avoided...  Listed as avoid are Copper, Garbanzo, Kidney, Lima, Navy, and Tamarind.

Yams should be avoided completely...  Bananas and oranges contain A-reactive lectins and should be avoided...

Hope this helps!  


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Quoted from pkarmeier

Just got back his secretor test today and he's a secretor! Thank goodness!!!


Thank goodness because they have less health issues?  Because A nonnies get more food choices....27 foods change value from A secretor to A nonnies.  More I think, than any other type.



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The Fatigue book has the 10 fatigue-fighting super foods for A's as:
1.  Soy based foods
2.  Richly oiled cold-water fish (salmon, sardines)
3.  Olive oil
4.  Walnuts
5.  Dark leafy greens (spinack, kale, Swiss Chard)
6.  Onion
7.  Berries (Blueberries, cherries, elderberries)
8.  Ginger
9.  Garlic
10.  Green tea

It also states that oils high in omega-6 fatty acids, which stimulate the inflammatory response.  These oils include corn, cottonseed, and peanut oils.
Lab research has identified at least five natural phytochemicals in nuts that regulate the immune systemand act as anti-oxidants.
... a few beans contain immunoreactive proteins and should be avoided...  Listed as avoid are Copper, Garbanzo, Kidney, Lima, Navy, and Tamarind.
Yams should be avoided completely...  Bananas and oranges contain A-reactive lectins and should be avoided...
Hope this helps!  


ABJoe, thanks!  Unfortunately some of those foods like dark leafy greens will not work as his Vit K is off the charts already. Scary!!  Onions upset his stomach really bad, so no on those too, but will try to incorporate the rest.
no  corn, cottonseed, and peanut oils used in this house. unless they are in some of the cr*ppy foods HE eats.
We eat very few beans and when we do, they're northern. good news on that front.
he does eat s/potatoes even after I mentioned they are avoids. will add this info to the list. he used to eat bananas every day, has really backed off those too. no oranges around here for a long time.  funny thing too, he used to eat a lot of broccoli, but for the past 3 wks at least he has said no thanks. and good thing too, it is high in Vit K. yes, our bodies tell us lots of things, if we just listen,right?
Still looking for some A personal experience. Thanks.



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Italybound, potatoes are pretty much the worst avoid I can eat (well, let me rephrase that...); potatoes are the worst avoid that I've eaten in the last year. They sit in my stomach like a rock, and my joints start to swell up within an hour of eating them; specifically in my hands, knees, and feet. I haven't eaten many other big avoids...like red meat...for years, but I do know the potatoes are WAY bad for me.

Pre-BTD, it used to hurt to get up in the morning...my feet especially. But I haven't experienced that problem for a long time, and I still do occassionally eat peppers and tomatoes (my little secret is out).


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Quoted from KimonoKat
Arthritis Book top PRO-inflammatory foods: (bad)

Red meat
Cow's milk-based dairy foods
Corn, cottonseed, peanut oil
Kidney, navybeans
Wheat
White potatoes
Bell peppers
Eggplant
Tomato and tomato roducts
Oranges
Food additives
Processsed sugar

Arthritis Book: top ANTI-inflammatory foods for Type A (good{

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold water fish
Flax (linseed)oil
Olive oil
Onion
Broccoli
Spinach, kale, collards
Avocado
Pineapple
Blueberries, cherries, elderberries
Ginger
Turmeric
Green tea

From the Cardiovascular Book, top heart healthy foods:

Soy foods
Richly oiled cold-water fish
Olive oil
Walnuts
Mushrooms (maitake/silver dollar)
Garlic
Leafy green vegetables
Blueberries, blackberries, cherries
Pineapple
Ginger
Herbal teas (chamomile, dandelion, hawthorn)
Green tea

Hope this helps!


Thanks KK; that list really helps me. Even though I occasionally do partake in tomatoes and chile peppers, the rest of the major avoids, are avoided...and I do manage to get in almost all of the top anti-inflammatory (good) foods several times a week.


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The key to helping may be in making absolutely scrumptious foods that are highly beneficial for him.  
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this is soooooo true and partly why I guess I was so upset that he sorta threw in towel after only 2 wks. I did knock myself out doing this. and I have little time as it is, with getting up no later than 4:30 AM. don't get home til 4:30 PM and then if I spend all my time cooking, which I did, and get to bed when I should - no later than 9 - leaves little time for anything else.   ya no, no time for me. guess I'm just selfish. .  really I don't mind giving my time if it's appreciated. on the other hand, there does come a point where you do have to have some time for you.
Drea, I will pass that info along to him about potatoes, again. He knows he shouldn't have them, but....................        just today, he was eating some tuna salad - only tuna, good mayo, good salt, garlic powder and some turmeric snuck in.  then he wants potato chips. I mentioned to him that they are inflammatory and left it at that. He has been eating a lot of chips lately. More fuel on the fire.  



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The key for me about potatoes was that I stopped eating them for a couple of months, then ate some because I forgot how bad they were, and WHAM! Not fun. It took me several times of this to really "get" how uncomfortable that one food makes me. Cow dairy, too, though not nearly as bad. Cow dairy makes me constipated, though.

Wheat makes me "puff up"; I can gain 5 pounds in one day from eating wheat. It also affects my joints.

Your DH will come around eventually. It sounds as if he's beginning to really notice how he feels after eating certain foods. I know for me, giving up foods that I really like, even knowing how bad they are for me and what they do to me, is difficult at best. I'm really struggling with chile peppers/cayenne.


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Drea, thanks so much for your posts. THIS is what I'm looking for. I think personal experiences will help him much more than my saying 'the book says so'.



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Yes...Drea thats exactly how potatoes and wheat affect us both. For me wheat=constipation and potatoes= swelling of the joints, especially my hands. I have wondered if that is why I'm not having any probs with fibromyalgia, since I completely stopped eating them.

Now my secret...and boy did I pay for it!!
Tuesday we had a day in the city looking at new cars. I was so organised made us spelt bread sandwiches with canned salmon and cucumber...all fine, we ate them on a seat over looking the Mediterranean Sea...wonderful. THEN I crossed the road to a bar to use the loo and spotted some double choc ice cream!! Worst of all, I know ice cream is bad for my husband but somehow we both agreed we shouldn't, but did. Later (because I was hungry) we went into a cake shop and bought two fresh cream eclairs and two truffels...which we scoffed before we drove home.
Next day....my stomach was awful, I was soooo constipated and I mean, bad!! I ate nuts/fruit to try and shift that awful WHEAT, one little cake wasn't much but I never eat it. My husband's stomach was not only bad because of the ice cream but also the fresh cream.....was it worth it...NO!!
I agree that sometimes we learn the hard way.

If Rich (himself) can identify just what is making him feel so bad, I'm sure, through necessity he'll want to stop.


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Now my secret...and boy did I pay for it!!
Tuesday we had a day in the city looking at new cars. I was so organised made us spelt bread sandwiches with canned salmon and cucumber...all fine, we ate them on a seat over looking the Mediterranean Sea...wonderful. THEN I crossed the road to a bar to use the loo and spotted some double choc ice cream!! Worst of all, I know ice cream is bad for my husband but somehow we both agreed we shouldn't, but did. Later (because I was hungry) we went into a cake shop and bought two fresh cream eclairs and two truffels...which we scoffed before we drove home.
Next day....my stomach was awful, I was soooo constipated and I mean, bad!! I ate nuts/fruit to try and shift that awful WHEAT, one little cake wasn't much but I never eat it. My husband's stomach was not only bad because of the ice cream but also the fresh cream.....was it worth it...NO!!
I agree that sometimes we learn the hard way.
If Rich (himself) can identify just what is making him feel so bad, I'm sure, through necessity he'll want to stop.


Oh, dear Janet, haven't we all been there?  
and hopefully since Rich does see how some things affect him, he will hop on board all by his little lonesome. He rarely consumes beef anymore unless he's faced w/ no other alternative.  Now, if we could just get rid of the bacon, sausage, pork and taters to start with. Ha, that's a lot of startin' huh? Tryin' to keep this light in MY mind so I don't try to 'hit' him w/ too much at once.



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