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Thank you Vicki.  Where is it located in the Encyclopedia?


I was wondering this also, as I looked in the Ency and didn't see this particular thing mentioned under B12. thanks Vicki



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It is located under Fatigue Fighting Protocol.
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It is located under Fatigue Fighting Protocol.


ahhhh, thanks Vicki



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Quoted from Vicki
It is located under Fatigue Fighting Protocol.


Yup!  That's it!  

Thanks, Vicki!  

And also thank you Lola for another wonderfully appropriate link!  



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As I scanned this thread, I saw B12 mentioned.  For some it is a stimulant & will cause insomnia.   That happened to me about 2 years ago.  I got some B12 & only took a small fraction of the tablet & Bingo! got insomnia.  Then I read that for some it causes insomnia & for others helps them sleep.
Try doing without it.
Personally, I am a magnesium fan!


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Mrs T,
Do you remember if you tried the type of B 12 that Dr. D recommends in that link that Lola provided?  Evidently there is a more common form, and cheaper, that most formulas contain, and it contains trace amount of cyanide.
There is a good sublingual called No Shot that is Methylcobalamine, for those who want to try it.



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I'm sure if your body already has adequate B12, then you will not benefit from the supplement. Type A's have a harder time getting enough B12 (low stomach acid).   Seniors may also have lower stomach acid.  

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yayyy!  Last night I slept 8 hr!!
Really, really needed it! What did I do? well, I took sustained release melatonin, valerian, (2 caps), and ....are you ready? (I'm just telling you the truth...sorry) 3 oz of red wine! I don't suppose this is generally recommended...its just how my evening went...then went to bed right after LOST. Oh, and didn't drink as much water as I usually do with my bedtime pills.....
thanks to the forces that be...
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Quoted from Vicki
The Encyclopedia lists B12 at bedtime to reset your circadian rhythm.  


What is circadian rhythm?
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What is circadian rhythm?


i believe that would be your body's 24 hour cycle.




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here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm
let me know if you need more info......


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Interesting article thank you.  Sandy O
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Great thread!  I am taking a red eye from CA to Boston tonight and worried about sleeping on the plane.  I have some
"tranquilnight" from New Chapter ready, will pack some cal/mag and I am thinking of some nice fish and sweet potato,
maybe beef, since I am an O, instead of the fish.  Some good ideas here! (The tranquilnight is an herbal supp with valerian, hops, lavendar and not sure what else, but valerian is the main ingredient.)  Wish me luck!  
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One word...actually, it isn't a word exactly, but, well, here it is:

CoQ10

Oh, how I love this stuff and oh, how it it amazes me.

I started taking it for gum health but was pleasantly surprised that it does a lot more for me than getting and keeping my gums in fine fettle.

One beneficial side effect has been that it seems to regulate my energy.  What do I mean "regulate my energy"?  Well, it gives me this nice, gentle, subtle energy boost when I take it, but it also helps me to sleep at night.  It seems to regulate circadian rhythm, do not ask me how or what it does, but I know it affects cellular energy on a deep level.  Now that I've been taking it a while (I only take 30 mg per day, but sometimes I take 60 mg...many people take 90 or even 100 but I think 60 is about normal...I take a "less is more" approach to supplementation myself), I don't notice the energy boost as much when I take it, as I guess that feels normal/baseline to me now, but I do notice still that my sleep is more regulated (although two of my four pets are determined to mess with that, but that's another story), among other benefits like the gum health, the energy, the sense of wellbeing (I forgot to mention that--when I first started taking it a sense of wellbeing went along with the subtle energy boost...again, now that all seems baseline to me and I don't notice it as much, but it's still there), the immune-boosting qualities, etc.

Note:  If taking for insomnia, I would stick to 30 mg to at most 60 mg per day and take in the morning, because apparently high doses (90 to 100 mg per day or more) can cause insomnia in some people.  And I don't see anywhere on the net where it says it helps insomnia in any dose (edited to add correction:  it does say in the very link I provided that insomnia is one of the things people use CoQ10 for, but it is listed under a section listing things it is used for, for which its effectiveness has not been scientifically proven).  Perhaps it is just my weird nonnie self that has an "opposite" reaction to it than most people would have, but I swear by it for insomnia.  But it is beyond insomnia and into the "whole" of regulating your circadian rhythm and energy.  Hard to explain.  Gotta experience it.

Here's some info:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coenzyme-q10/NS_patient-coenzymeq10


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Whup, the spelling of "circadian" is a bear.
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Can anyone tell me if CoQ10 is a good suppliment for type B's?  When I saw Edna mention it for gum health I right away thought of my B husband and if it helps with getting good rest too it might overall be a good thing for him to take.  Is there a good brand to try though?


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Q-gel is definitely the best form of CoQ10. Many brands sell this type of CoQ10, so pick whatever brand or source you want to as long as it is Q-gel.


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MoDon, what do you mean "Q-gel", do you mean a gelcap?  The brand I take is liquid in a gelcap.  btw, I forgot to mention that one of the many cool things about CoQ10 is that, as I understand it, it is an antioxident that is both fat and water soluable.  Most antioxidents are only one of the two (like Vitamin C is water soluable and Vitamin E is fat soluable), but CoQ10 is also called "ubiquitone" because it is soluable in both (get it?  it's "ubiquitous"?  then again that could refer to how CoQ10 is found throughout the body...okay, so I don't know WHAT the "ubiquitone" refers to...moving along...).  Alpha Lipoic Acid is another powerful antioxident that is soluable in both.

Anyway, the brand I take is Country Life, but NOT the "Maxisorb" (which says "Maxisorb" in small letters above the brand name of "Country Life"), which has a bunch of added fillery-type ingredients that I don't want.  I take just their plain, 30 mg, CoQ10 that does not say "Maxisorb" on it.


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Did you click on the above link for Q-GEL®?

On that page click on the Advantages of Q-Gel to read about the advantages of this form of CoQ10.

Also on that page click on the [http://www.qgel.com/ordering.html]Ordering Information[/url] to see a list of sources of this form of CoQ10, including Country Life MAXI-SORB™ products.

Here is one PubMed study on the topic of CoQ10 bioavailability.
Quoted from Relative bioavailability of coenzyme Q10 formulations in human subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en.....;itool=pubmed_docsum
Thus, the data from both the trials show that Q-Gel, the new solubilized form of CoQ10, is vastly superior to typical commercially available preparations of CoQ10. This means much lower doses of Q-Gel will be required to rapidly reach and maintain adequate blood CoQ10 values than with any of the other currently available products.

There are other studies involving Q-gel listed in PubMed if you want to search for and read them.


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Did you click on the above link for Q-GEL®?

 Oooops--until you said that, I hadn't noticed that it was a link because the navy blue link color is so close to the black of the regular text.  Apparently (and I base the following assessment on more findings than just that I didn't notice that link), I am blind as a bat.  Anyway, had I noticed the informative link, I would not have asked you about the Q-gel.  My bad!
 



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P.S.  MoDon, I don't use the "Maxisorb" version of the Country Life, as I said, because of the other ingredients it contains, such as polysorbate 80 and sorbitol, etc., as listed in the link you provide to Country Life ("Polysorbate 80, gelatin (capsule shell), medium chain triglycerides, glycerin (capsule shell), lecithin, sorbitol, triacetin, purified water (capsule shell), titanium dioxide (color), annatto seed extract for color).  I get Country Life and it is in gelcaps but it doesn't say "Maxisorb".  I assume it is still "Q-gel", since it is in a gelcap form...although "Maxisorb" implies maximum absorbability by one's system, whereas mine just keep it to themselves as to whether they are absorbed well or not, no discussion of that on the label.  I looked earlier today when I posted for a link to a picture of the exact label on the kind I buy, but all I could find--even on Country Life's own site, which is in your later post of today--is their Maxisorb variety, complete with sorbitol, et al.


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And is the CoQ10 ok for all blood types?


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I know it s ok for Os, not sure about the rest.
try a search from the main page (left margin).......there might be a few threads to help you form an opinion.

here
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000228.htm


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Type A's have a harder time getting enough B12 (low stomach acid).    


My type A husband just got his blood work back and yep, very low on B12, actually I think it was out of range. Now taking a sublingual B12.



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