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jayney-O
Sunday, October 8, 2006, 8:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I am in an insomnia cycle, which is not new to me, but the first time since BTD....I resorted to ambien, (for the last 2 weeks) which is a sleeping pill, but now want to ditch that since it is habit forming...I have used theanine and gaba in the past but I think gaba is not ok for O's....am wondering why if anyone knows, cuz it seemed to help in the past...am also using rhodiola.
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valerian drops as well as magnesium before bed.


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don't know about the gaba, but magnesium taken before bed is supposed to help you sleep. Also a little lavendar sachet or oil might help. Chamomielle (sp?) tea is also supposed to be relaxing, tho you might want to check that for your BT if you should try it.  Good luck, I've been thru the no sleep cycle myself and it's definitely no fun.



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Yoga for stress helped me and more veggies.  Melatonin may help.
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I've been having the same problem.  I take my cal-mag-zinc before bed and it doesn't help me much.  I also take Catechol in the morning.  There's rhodiola in that.  Maybe I should split the dose and take some at night.  I'm on suppressive doses of thyroid meds because I had a thyroid cancer years ago.  I've often thought that that contributes to my sleep problems.  I don't ever remember being able to sleep 8 hours.  The most I EVER get is 6 and even then it's interrupted sleep.  I'd love to wake up and feel really rested.  I don't know what that means!
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Thanks, everyone! Lola, I will get valerian in the tincture form...
Jane, I have the same pattern....thyroid does have an effect...hmmm, wonder...well, just had TSH levels tested, standard blood workup, can't put too much stock in that, but will see.
I did ok last night....kind of surfing through sleep, better than the night before... 1st night off sleeping pills. So I was relieved...sensing that it will get better. A friend told me Hashimoto's syndrome (suppressed thyroid, I believe) kept her from sleep until she got treatment. I take the Rhodiola in the day, but I feel it helps me regulate cortisol (what its supposed to do) and I also take a timed release melatonin which helps. Will let you know whats working. thanks, jayney-0

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I've read that valerian may require weeks to reach its full effects in some people.  If that doesn't work for you right away, you can try Melatonin or Tryptophan.  In the brain, tryptophan is converted to serotonin and melatonin, which are natural sleep-inducing compounds.  The one drawback of melatonin is the groginess the next morning.  Tryptophan is also in turkey, chicken, eggs and almonds; all possibilities if you don't want to take the supplement.

Low nighttime blood glucose levels might also have something to do with your insomnia.  When there is a drop in the blood glucose level, it causes the release of hormones that regulate glucose levels, such as adrenaline, glucagon, cortisol, and growth hormone. These compounds stimulate the brain. They are a natural signal that it is time to eat.

Good bedtime snacks to keep blood sugar levels steady throughout the night are oatmeal and other whole grain cereals, whole grain breads and muffins, and other complex carbohydrates. These foods will not only help maintain blood sugar levels, they actually can help promote sleep by increasing the level of serotonin within the brain.  Granted, we type O's have few complex carbs to choose from, but there are some on the neutral lists we can have.  






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Good bedtime snacks to keep blood sugar levels steady throughout the night are oatmeal and other whole grain cereals, whole grain breads and muffins, and other complex carbohydrates.


I have relugated rice and oats to night time only, as they make me VERY sleepy. I really haven't tried it out yet, as I usually sleep well once I get in bed. Getting there is the problem.


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I don't ever remember being able to sleep 8 hours.  The most I EVER get is 6 and even then it's interrupted sleep.  I'd love to wake up and feel really rested.


jane I was talking w/ my chiro the other day about doing a saliva test for hormones. We talked for some time and in that talk we realized my cortisol is probably upside down. I am ALWAYS tired when I wake. Always. I cannot remember the last time I woke feeling rested or that I didn't resist getting out of bed. At night, however, when I SHOULD be getting to bed, I can think of 10 things I 'need' to do to stay up. I'm doing a saliva panel today for  cortisol and DHEA ( I guess for DHEA too - need to ask tomorrow ) .  Today has been miserable as I have one whopper of a headache, a sore throat and generally feel like I'm coming down w/ something. Didn't feel like this until this morning but realize that when I drink fruit juice w/ gerolsteiner, I usually wind up like this. (had a couple of glasses of this yest - blueberry/pomegranate w/ the gerol).     I am continually perplexed by this as the gerol is supposed to be beneficial, as so the blueberry and pom is a neutral. Regardless, I'm done w/ all that. It doesn't like me, even if I like it.  Good luck to me on sleeping tonight. This might be an oatmeal night.
In the Cort/DHEA testing, we'll see how my adrenals are doing - which I already know - cr*ppy.          I will be anxiously awaiting my results. If you're waking up tired all the time and can find reasons to stay awake at night, your cortisol might be out of whack too.  http://www.drlam.com has a good article on adrenal fatigue. One other sign of fatigued adrenals is being tired between 3-5 in the afternoon. Along w/ a whole slew of other symptoms. The lopsided cort/DHEA are also assoc w/ adrenals. Hope you can get a good nights sleep soon, as I KNOW what it's like not to have good rest. Makes you tired AND even cranky, eventually.



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Good bedtime snacks to keep blood sugar levels steady throughout the night are oatmeal and other whole grain cereals, whole grain breads and muffins, and other complex carbohydrates.


bet you some sweet potato would do the trick!
no need for grain consumption to achieve this.


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bet you some sweet potato would do the trick!


ah, good idea. will keep the oat/rice thingee in the back of my mind........just in case
why not try a bennie versus a neutral and for me, an infrequent neutral.



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many years ago tryptophan was touted as the sleeping agent of choice... either warm (not hot) milk or banana [either, just before bed] .... might help?

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anyone know why cocoa powder isn t listed either on typebase or in the health series books but chocolate is?

carob powder is, though.


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Several posters have recommended eating the carbs at night and proteins/veggies during the day.  (Don, Mikeo . . ) I started this practice a few months ago and must say it has really helped!  I'm not a person who eats flour products, so my evening meal is baked sweet potato with ghee and baked fish.  Then I have a lightly toasted rice cake with nut butter.  I also take my sublingual B 12/folic acid at night as Dr. D. suggested somewhere.
I sleep much better than I have in a long time.  Usually 6 solid hours, and then lighter sleep for the next 2 or 3.



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 I also take my sublingual B 12/folic acid at night as Dr. D. suggested somewhere.I sleep much better than I have in a long time.  Usually 6 solid hours, and then lighter sleep for the next 2 or 3.


Wow!  I would've thought the B vits would keep one awake! Guess I could try to take mine at night. I take several vits at night because of the fact that nightime is when the body does repair work, but was afraid of the B's.  Thanks!



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I, too, tend to start housework late at night if my nose isn't in a book, and am a *relatively* reluctant riser (less reluctant since BTD!) in the a.m. (just look at my sign-in sheet at the office!)  A magnesium & 2 melatonins at night before be seem to help a lot. Sorry, don't know the mg.'s off hand.
Night is magical. I've done most of my best painting & drawing in the wee hours.
I've known a number of people whose difficulties rising in the a.m. turned out to be due to sleep apnea. Various fixes, from surgery to machinery, made a world of difference for them. Make sure to check that out as a possibility if it is not a known factor.
Best of luck and my sympathies from a sometime insomniac!
B-12 at night????? I always used it as a boost during the day! Will have to try it on a Friday or Saturday night, when I can afford time to recover from a screw-up....


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B-12 at night????? I always used it as a boost during the day! Will have to try it on a Friday or Saturday night, when I can afford time to recover from a screw-up....


Ewwww, better idea. I think I'll wait as well. I'm just getting ready to do my 4th and final spit test for my coritsol. I just can't wait to get the results and get something done. I'm so sick of dragging out of bed in the morning. And I do mean dragging. I will sleep the last 10 seconds, if given a choice. Or try to sleep anyway. You get my drift



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Absolutely, my dear!  one woman's philosophy: Snooze alarms - I figure they just interrupt sleep you could be having! Set the alarm for when you must get up, and put it out of arm's reach (that way you can't shut it off and fall back asleep by accident!) Not that I follow my own advice half the time!  


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Italybound,
You may want to try the rhodiola...regulates cortisol...I'm using it, and I feel it helps as a piece of the arsenal....but after you get your test results. good luck, jayney-0
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I wasn't recommending that anyone take the B complex at night.  I think it would keep you awake!

Dr. D suggested somewhere that B 12 would help with sleep if taken at night, so that's why I take only  that one, and it works.  Mine happens to contain Folic Acid also, and that doesn't seem to have any impact on my sleep.

If and when I find his own words on the subject, I'll post it.  I know it exists, because we discussed this on another thread some months ago, an I found the quote at that time.



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jayney-O, I will have to get some of that rhodiola.What exactly do you mean by "regulates cortisol"?  Mine is upside down, most likely. Seems like it by symptoms anyway. I'm very curious how that is fixed. Is this an NAP product?



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You can get Rhodiola at any good natural food store, Italy.

And HERE is the link to NAP's product featuring Rhodiola.



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The Encyclopedia lists B12 at bedtime to reset your circadian rhythm.  
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You can get Rhodiola at any good natural food store, Italy.And HERE is the link to NAP's product featuring Rhodiola.


thanks for the info and link. I actually think I have some of the NAP stuff. will have to take a look today.
Vicki, thanks for the info on B12. I think that will prob wind up being one of the supps I take to get my cortisol back in check. I did a spit test yest for that, but dropped the last cotton roll in the sink!!! So now I have to do it over. The test is $150 so I want it to be RIGHT.



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don't know what "regulates cortisol" means but hope it means evens it out, normalizes.
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The Encyclopedia lists B12 at bedtime to reset your circadian rhythm.  


Thank you Vicki.  Where is it located in the Encyclopedia?



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