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kunturwilka
Thursday, October 5, 2006, 5:10pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi,

I read the BTD book and read that Sant John's Worth is not good to treat depression on people with blood type O. I wanted to know if SJW does not work for O blood type people, then what can be used??

I've been taking SJW for mild depression for the past 2 months 300mg 3 times a day; along with
- 1000 ml of vitamin C 3 time a day
- 400 IU of vitamin E
- 500 mcg of B-12
- 800 mcg of Folic Acid
- I am also starting to take a spoon of Flax seed every day.

From what I read this should be enough to treat mild depression on most poeple, but I haven't really seen much change. Some days are better than others. I would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks!!!!!!!

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kunturwilka,
how is your level of exercise daily?
also, how compliant are you?
wheat is known to cause depression in Os.

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kunturwilka
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Thank you for the suggestions, you can tell I am new here

my exercise level is low lately, I don't feel very motivated. though I eat healthy and I am not over weight.

what do you mean by compliant?

Wheat? I should check this out, I don't really consume wheat except for bread, that I haven't quite eliminated, and even that is maybe 8 slices a week or less.
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Quoted from kunturwilka


what do you mean by compliant?



What she means is how closely you stick to the plan including how many avoids you consume - that would include the bread...

Exercise is vital to emotional well being in Os - I find that even when I am acutely unhappy or angry about something an hour long exercise session will improve my outlook drastically.  

For instance a couple of years ago something had upset me greatly, I was crying down the phone to my aunt when I told her.  After that call I decided that I was not going to be defeated and that I would be damned if I was going to stay at home feeling sorry for myself.  I went to a circuit training class I was goint to at the time and really went for it.  About half way through I started to feel better and when I got back home I felt much much better.  I rang back my aunt to tell her so she would no longer worry

Other things Os should pay attention to is sufficient sleep and not skipping meals...

St John's wort is not recommeded for Os - try 5HTP instead, if you find that intense exercise and compliance don't work on their own.  

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Just noticed that you do not eat meat - you should carefully consider what protein you eat as a lot of vegetarian meat substitutes contain avoids.  You can eat eggs as O and this is likely to be your best source of protein - if you decide not to eat fish and meat.

A lot of vegetarians also eat a lot of grain/consume a fair amount of dairy - Os should limit compliant (!) grains to 5-7 servigs a week and limit dairy products to 0-5 servings a week...  

You may also gain food for thought in perusing Rachel (blogger)'s archives...she used to be a vegan for a time and Heidi's blogs - she also used to be a vegetarian - just search for vegetarian in her archives.
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Dr D:
Quoted Text
Blood Type O has lower levels of the enzyme
MAO, and St. John's wort is a MAO inhibitor.
 This may explain why many Type O's on St.
John's wort say they feel "weird" or have
disturbing dreams.  I have found, however,
that blood Type O's with mild to moderate
depression benefit from the amino acid
tyrosine, which can boost dopamine levels, or
the Russian adaptogenic herb rhodiola, which
helps modulate adrenaline and dopamine levels
in the brain.


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It is very hard to be vegetarian on the O diet. I did it for yrs. before I realized it was not helping me.....but try to stay away from the grain overload that I was into....go toward eggs, tofu, goat cheese,(in moderation) salads, fruit, sweet potatoes, rice (in moderation)
these are just off the top of my head.......
I take tyrosine daily.....
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You should read the book Live Right 4 Your Type. It covers this topic.


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Let me also add that trying to be a vegetarian type O could be a significant part of your depression problem. I definitely recommend that you avoid all forms of wheat, supplement with tyrosine, and try to get some exercise. Following the BTD recommendations should help.


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I second Modon's suggestion for tyrosine.  I started to take some tyrosine, but I got very emotional, as if I were taking a stronger dose of the antidepressant that I am actually on so I have stopped (for a while.  Experiment to ensue later).  If serotonin levels are the reason for your depression, that would be a good way to go.

And exercise.

And no wheat.
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I believe Dr. D no longer recommends 5HTP for Type O's.

Try some of the recommendations in the Cognitive Improvement Protocol for Type O's.



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Actually I believe the amino acid L-tyrosine will help with the neurotransmitter dopamine, not serotonin. Dr. D has said that he finds dopamine support is more important to type Os than serotonin.

The amino acid L-tyrosine is also required for thyroid hormone production.


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once again:
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Dr D:Type O's with mild to moderate
depression benefit from the amino acid
tyrosine, which can boost dopamine levels, or
the Russian adaptogenic herb rhodiola, which
helps modulate adrenaline and dopamine levels
in the brain.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Quoted from KimonoKat

Try some of the recommendations in the Cognitive Improvement Protocol for Type O's.



There seems to be a typo listing the different blood groups in the Cognitive Improvement Protocol; there are two AB lists.  Do you know which one is for type B?  

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/13.html




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After checking several other protocol pages, (and verifying the order format of the other pages) I'm going to take a leap of faith here, and say that the first "AB" listing is actually for "B."



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After thinking about this for a bit, I'm changing my recommendaiton for depression to Dr. D's Catechol.  I'd also recommend that you need to get some aerobic exercise in you on a daily basis.  Even if it's only taking a 1/2 hour brisk walk, to start.


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Actually I believe the amino acid L-tyrosine will help with the neurotransmitter dopamine, not serotonin. Dr. D has said that he finds dopamine support is more important to type Os than serotonin.

The amino acid L-tyrosine is also required for thyroid hormone production.


OK, sorry.... Shoulda checked myself before talking.  You are totally right MoDon.  Dopamine derives from tyrosine, and serotonin derives from tryptophan.  I assumed serotonin since I am on an SSRI.  I figure that increasing the dosage would also increase the amount of serotonin in the brain, which also incidentally increases my, um, touchiness.  When I took tryptophan, I did not get the same effect. Fine line between not caring at all, caring just enough, and caring way too much!  So maybe the SSRI is not needed in lieu of a dopamine increaser?
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 So maybe the SSRI is not needed in lieu of a dopamine increaser?


That is possible. Might even be likely. Hard to say. Depends on why the SSRI was prescribed in the first place. If it was generic symptoms (most likely) then there is a good chance that dopamine is the true issue.

Get some excercise!    (A little sunshine won/t hurt either   )

PS Once you start the excecise you will feel better......

PPS If you decide to go off the SSRI and have been taking it for more than a couple weeks, it's probably best to taper off gradually.

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Thank you everyone for your kind suggestions and taking the time.

I checeked and most of the meat supplements have wheat, I am finding that being vegetaria, blood O and trying to follow the BTD is not very easy. The food I am left with is very limited
I will try to stick with it and see how it goes.

I have a questions for you guys who are using Tyrosine or Rhodiola, what is the dose you guys take? how many mill? how long did it take for you to see changes in your mood?

Is 5-htp definitely not good for O type??? has anyone tried it?

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I have a questions for you guys who are using Tyrosine or Rhodiola, what is the dose you guys take? how many mill? how long did it take for you to see changes in your mood?

Is 5-htp definitely not good for O type??? has anyone tried it?



I'm using L-tyrosine 500mg 1/day. Rhodiola currently 340 mg @ 3% rosavin = 10.2mg 1/day.  The rhodiola was pretty obvious after a few days. The tyrosine was less obvious.

The 5-htp is a problem only because it is derived from Griffonia (an avoid). If you can find it derived from another source (unlikely) it would be okay. I did try it for a few weeks and did not notice much change.

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The alternate suggestion is
to use some unsweetened
cocoa powder in hot water or smoothie.  It
says that cocoa contains serotonin.


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Yes, wheat can make a lot of us depressed, not just the type O's!



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Yes, total elimination of wheat makes all the difference; for me it was the most significant breakthrough. The tremendous improvement it caused towards balance, clarity of the mind, and the ability to contain myself is still hard to describe. It really took a good few months before it became 100%, i.e. total. For example, one day I found those super-delicious FinnCrisp rye crackers, which actually contain 7% wheat flour, and it took me maybe 10 packets before I came to and stopped this nonsense.

I totally dropped coffee about 4 months after beginning BTD, and today I'm 100 days w/o it, and to tell the truth I don't miss it one bit, on the contrary, and with the help and support of this community I just feel blessed.

The third item I gave up a short time after coffee was my daily portion of grains, rice or buckwheat. Thanks to this unbelievable community I realized that I actually didn't need it at all, and that it was just another obstacle/hindrance on the way to be able keep cool and heal.

I keep at home a bottle of L-Tyrosine, but it affects me so strongly (I feel really fantastic within 15 mintues) to the point that I am reluctant to use it. But, considering what Don says about the beneficial influence on the thyroid, I may dare and try to use it regularly.

BTW, I have been a vegetarian from many years. 17 months ago I resumed fish, though. 10 months later I began BTD and have been enjoying its wonders and am thankful ever since.



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yael, do you eat meat now, or just fish, (which I guess an O could do....except that beef is a beneficial)
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