hi John
yup not that bad, dear I must agree, ok..ok...but there's something forgotten wich is remarked and pointed out in the book of the master of the master of the Orthomolekular Fritzles No does has a keyfunktion inhere,and endothelian dysfunktion is almost because of excessive production of Superoxyde-radikales ; cell- membrane-bound NADH production will be supresse by that. The suite out of that is the fact of upbuildings of lipideroxidation, and thrombocytesaggregation; Guanyllactcyclase is the mainfactor for possibilities of  heartattac and stroke!
Lesser levels of Vit. E and C also are a factor for such situations; we named it oxidative stress is one of the mainfactors for such progession of kardioovask. sickness, increased also by LDL.
page 218, Dr. Uwe Göber -Orthomolekular Medicine- ISBN-3-8047-1927-9 wissenschaft. Verlagsgesellschaft Stuttgart 2002

                                                 

Hi girly,

strangely enough fish oil will actually increase cholesterol according to Dr. D ... but maybe it's the good kind ... that is not rough (ib).  It may be a matter that present BTD practices (ie. large quercetin intake & natural vit C) have healed those arteries so cholesterol is doing the good jobs it does in our bodies (Cocky).

Isa, there is little doubt that there may be a continued problem with the arteries ... heart attack and stroke are still there for me because my cholesterol is TOO LOW.  This results in arterial hemorrhage - downright deadly.  [Many folks past 75 (including my Dad & his sibs) have large, black, (non-painful), bruises on their arms.]  Focusing only on excess-cholesterol-as-culprit doesn't help health.

V. Frolov writes about excess breathed oxygen as causing these lesions - instead of the usual wear and tear of liquid-flow.  Seems right!

John

yup...yup...yup ysa right, thatswhy I stopped *rebirthing*.....deads' are almost relayed on here..I guess, mostly elder people with no knowledge about their healthstates



                                                   

Excessive deep breathing?  That's interesting.

Would a normal yoga-type practice of taking half a dozen or so full deep breaths every day do such a thing as damage like you are discussing, Isa and John?

no dearle Victoria not those kinds of yogic exercises, but *il fut un temps* that I worked with Dr.
Stanislav Groff (the founder of rebirthing, a technic of breathing but really accelerés and transcendentale psychology) likewise a dog in summer and then the calcium get bound in your blood and you'll begin to cramp, mostly one session is about two hours or longer, after you are more than groggy but in our group (loooooong ago)
we have had several *accidents) because peoples werent aware about their healthstatus. We took this method to "open up" even the hardest nuts , and it würrged ahem worked, but it is not that
recommended for older people-this is only my opinion.
Any other questions I am waiting for


p.s.
must correct one thing; it didn't happend in *MY* group because I was altimes over..over..over...prudent- and if I've seen something *not that ok for my eyes and bellyfeeling, I stopped immediately to go on with the work......


and for  a second time I must apologize: it is named:holotropic breathwork, not rebirthing...sooo sorry

Yes, thank you, Isa.  I understand about the rebirthing breathing . . very intense.  That isn't what I am doing.  Just everyday, I try and completely empty my lungs deeply, and inhale slowly and fully, several times, to clean out the stale gases and fill my lungs with clean air, full of oxygen for the bloodstream.

{{hugs}}

Hi Victoria,

Frolov looked at the body-pattern for heart disease; arterial damage and cancer and thinks that only 10% of all the tissues get 80% of oxygen.  So he thinks that there is too much oxygen to these tissues + too little oxygen to the rest.  This is only one of the major problems generated BECAUSE of the way we breath

The other is the false assumption that breathing is solely for the purpose of oxygen acquisition and through it increased energy.  With endogenous breathing (rapid lower-lung/diaphragm inhales + excessively long exhales), the lungs manufacture large amounts of free electrons, carried to tissues by red-blood cells.  These electrons are more valuable to many of our body's reactions than is oxygen (including energy production).

He finds particular fault with deep breathing, yoga and sports because all they do is reproduce the exact same pattern of illness.  It's bit like having a lit candle and feeding the flame with more oxygen.  The flame becomes a torch, but the candle is short-lived.

His device is at http://www.intellectbreathing.com/patients.en.php The site is a sales-site and does not know too much technical stuff ... much is in Frolov's book.

John