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LJenai
Friday, September 1, 2006, 3:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I have little red bumps coming up everywhere on my body. My dermatologist told me they were cherry angioma. Basically parts of little blood vessels that are popping through the surface making these "red freckle" things. Except worse because they grow and grow. I found something on the internet and am trying to use it to get rid of some of the larger ones. The dermatologist said she could freeze them off but more would come. Yes, I can see...there are more.

My question is if anyone has found anything either to treat topically or internally that would keep these from growing? Maybe there is a supplement that would make my vessels and veins stronger? Then, would this still happen? I don't know.

She said it's common about age 40 these things start. Well, I'm 39 and have had several for several years, but I'm telling you, in the last year they have started popping up everywhere.

Does anyone have any help????
Thanks.
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how long have you been eating right?

give your body time to detox, and give BT nutrition time to show the difference it will make overall.


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I have little red bumps coming up everywhere on my body. My dermatologist told me they were cherry angioma. Basically parts of little blood vessels that are popping through the surface making these "red freckle" things. Except worse because they grow and grow.


Oh MY GOODNESS, thank you, LJenai for posting this!! I stated to get these about 2 years ago (I am 43), and now I have lots of them.  My daughter, who is 22, is already starting to get a few!! I asked the DR about them, twice even, and he just said they are a kind of age spot   (did he say I was getting OLD  ) that it is normal for some people and not to worry about them.  Well, I do and don't like them at all.  Have never heard of anyone else having them. Add those to the occasional pimple that sometimes come around, I don't know if I am young or old  , There is no doubt that they are exactly what you said, blood vessels popping through the surface.  Now that can't be healthy    I don't remember as I type this what your blood type is, but with Os having thin blood, I wonder if it is more common with them. Sandy O
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OOppss, just saw your are an A.  Guess that throws the O issue out the window  
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body brushing is also worth looking into.......


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LJenai
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Well I've been eating really good for about 2 1/2 years. I followed the blood type diet and then began eating raw and I am now trying to incorporate the two together. When I first started raw I was eating things like bananas to make my green smoothies because they seemed to be the only thing that helped take away the bitter taste, but now I'm not and consequently, I'm not drinking as many green smooties either.  

But, I eat really well, lift weights 3 times a week and usually get in cardio two times a week for sure, but aiming for 3.

I e-mailed a holistic dermatologist on the internet. He said he would do a phone consultation with me. I'm sure I'll do it after I get some photos. He'll probably not tell me anything new, but I have to ask.

When I find that site where I ordered the 'medicine" to take these away, I'll post the link. I'm not consistent enough (it takes a while to dry after applying) so I haven't seen any progress yet.

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LJenai
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Oh and I don't body brush, although I have the T-Tapp brush, because I use that fake tanning lotion.

But, I could try in a month or so. The fake tans makes the cherry angiomas not look so bad to me. I hate them. If you could see my dad's stomach and back, you would understand my fear.  
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I saw several people successfully taking L'Lysine and then after a month to two...L'Arginine....

and later there's a Whole bunch called Solgar:amino 75...very lecker
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LJenai
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Okay, here is the site where I ordered the Blemish-be-gone for my cherry angiomas.

http://www.blemish-be-gone.com/cherryangiomaremoval-p-14.html

And Tomatilla, where did you see or read someone taking L-Lysine and L'Arginine, etc. for successful cherry angioma removal? I have L-Lysine but usually only take it for fever blisters when they begin to come up, but that gets rid of them if I catch them early.

Any additional info. is appreciated!! THANKS!!
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very often when problems with skin are appearing, there's an imbalance with aminoacids; and here I made the test with my vegatester and saw in almost of all clients, that all lacked in both aminoacids..
so far the best of all was later, to get them on amino 75 of Solgar but you might use other products as well
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I am wondering if additional vit C/bioflavanoids would help to strengthen capillaries?

And avoid all avoids!  



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How is your Omega-3 intake? How is your oil-in-general intake?

I would not have them removed, if I were you. This is a less serious condition than you will have if you remove them, since your body is acting to heal.

You might consider homeopathy. This is the sort of thing that homeopathy is noted for handling extremely well. I can turn you on to my homeopath, if you are interested. She does phone consults. In fact, here is her web site:
http://carepathpartners.com/

Rosemary's fees are very reasonable.
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LJenai
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Koolaid,
Homeopathy handles "this" pretty well? Do you mean cherry angiomas specifically or body imbalances in general. Yes, I will check out her website. Thank you. And, no I don't take a separate Omega-3 supplement but have been considering it due to a doctor talking on the Cooper Wellness Center radio program.

Tomatilla,

I'm not following you exactly. What do you mean you made a test with "my vegatester and saw in almost of all clients, that all lacked in both aminoacids." ? Have you seen anyone with cherry angiomas where they went away due to these amino acids? What skin problems did you see solved? Warts? dark patches? Etc.?

And I'm willing to give all these aminos a try. What do you suggest? L-Lysine a month or two then L'Arginine (for how long?) and then the Solgar 75? Or are you saying to keep taking these all together...like start the L-Lysine then add L'Arginine and then add Solgar 75?

THANKS!!
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I have tried to get comments on cherry angiomas in the past, and no one spoke up, so I am delighted you have raised the issue again.  I have had these for a couple of years, after a very few that popped up years ago after surgery.  At the time, I was told they are a) not dangerous, b) often occur when hormones are disrupted (as with female surgery), c) genetic (run in families--and both my maternal grandmother and my dad had them), d) can turn up on men as well as women (not sure where that leaves the hormones).  I finally went for laser removal (dermatologist's wife also had them, they came on right after her first child).  Since you get a certain amount of time in the appointment, I had him zap about 20 larger ones (he said it sometimes takes a few repetitions) as well as two tiny ones on my face.  The next day was fine, the day after that I had hundreds of little red dots near the sits of the "zapped" spots.  Needless to say, I have not gone back!  They seem to seed themselves like dandelions.  I keep trying to see a diet connection--I consume flax oil and olive oil and a lot of fish, so assume my oils are ok.  I have stopped taking progesterone, fearing that what triggers them is alterations in hormone ratios.  I'd love to know.  In the meantime, I am trying to concentrate on having a positive attitude despite spottiness.  I look around--lots of us have less than perfect skin, and there is always paint.
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try supplementing with the amino acids Isa mentioned.


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yes so it is, my Vegatester is a machine computerized for getting even préclinical results and Solgars' amino 75 are one of the bests of al thanks Lola
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Wow, Elizabeth.  How frustrating.  You would think the Dr. might have warned you that it might be a possibility.  
I can't see any way progesterone would stimulate that effect, it might even help to prevent it.  Mine appeared during a year when I had stopped my topical application of progesterone.



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LJenai
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Ah, yes, well what my dermatologist said was if she did "zap" them, they would come back somewhere else. So, I haven't had any zapped. Yes, dandelions is right. To me, I can watch one form. I get this little bump, and then it looks like a pimple and then it looks like a red dot trying to break through the skin and then...pop...a baby cherry angioma that then grows. I don't know if they stop at some point or not. I have four that are pretty big. So, I don't know if all these "babies" will grow also.

However, if I follow Tomatilla's advice these will stop growing and stop forming...is that what you are saying Tomatilla?? I will get the Solgar 75. Again, can you recommend a schedule of how to take this? Do I just take it according to the label instructions? Also, do I start with the L-Lysine and move to the L-Arginine and then the Solgar 75? Or just start with the Solgar 75? I'll order one or all of these as soon as I'm clear on the dosage.

THANK YOU to everyone. Maybe there is hope???  
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Victoria--now that you mention it, me too.  I stopped as part of an anti-candida effort.  Thanks.  
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LJenai, I'm not a homeopath, but I've done quite a bit of reading and have found that skin conditons are a strong symptom that homeopaths have worked with over their many years of training and learning. They are good indicators of the underlying source of your trouble and lead the homeopath to the right cure. Also, because it is a superficial problem (even though it doesn't seem superficial to you), your body's vital force is active, which means that homeopathy can be an effective treatment. Frequently the skin is the first "organ" affected by an internal affliction, making it easier to cure if you treat homeopathically.

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I've started taking L-Lysine and will call the homeopath recommended by Koolaid to ask more about the supplementation. I wanted to mention that the protein drink I make in the morning has 997 mg of Arginine and 2483 mg of Lysine per scoop.

Oh, wait, I just looked it up and as an A I'm not supposed to have whey protein?? UGH!!!! It's advertised as the best tasting protein on the planet...and it has been!

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Quoted from LJenai
I've started taking L-Lysine and will call the homeopath recommended by Koolaid to ask more about the supplementation. I wanted to mention that the protein drink I make in the morning has 997 mg of Arginine and 2483 mg of Lysine per scoop.

Oh, wait, I just looked it up and as an A I'm not supposed to have whey protein?? UGH!!!! It's advertised as the best tasting protein on the planet...and it has been!


LJenai-you may want to try NAP's Protein Powder for A's.  It has no whey in it.  

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yup LJenai, you made it ok... first L'Lysine...next L'Arginine...but here have an eye on this situation:
when there's an imbalance between Arginine and Lysine, almost the so called pimples might appear..thatswhy when this is happening...with L'Arginine...so keep on the track of L'Lysine because they are working...agonist...and antagonist....and then after a month, or even when all supps are ready
take the Solgar for a good balancement....and normally here I've got the most success because in my A clients nothing grow...anymore
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Tomatilla--  How about your O clients?  Does this really work for them too?  Thanks!
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Tomatilla,

Very interesting! Okay...my L-Lysine supplements say take one a day. It's only 500 mgs. How many mgs. of L-Lysine should I get for a month and then after a month how many mgs. of L-Arginine should I be getting? What has worked in your tests? If you are a homeopath and charge an hourly fee for this info. just let me know and I'll contact you privately for a consultation. If it's okay to post, would you please give me an estimate of mgs. I should start with....or is this something the homeopath will tell me?

THANK YOU!!!! I'm off to take the L-Lysine now.
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take it..dearle..slurp it
I'd like to say 2-3 x daily means 1-1-1-0 for intake of Lysine or 1-0-1-0 500mg's ok....in the first week.... then second week...L'Arginine as mentioned above... but dont' be confused when taking the Arginine..might have some nice sideeffects .......(btw on males and women )
then re-begin with L'Lysine.....and the other week take the L'Arginine... until supplements are fisnished...and then get onto the Solgars

You might contact me at your ease, but please don't ask me to charge you whatsoever... I am a guest here on this site...and only want that everybody feels fine
btw...perhaps colostrum should be a good alternative too after all the treatments;) ...why...because it is very innocif and works super...as I'd heared it here in Switzerland...even in such undesirables situation
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Okay Tomatilla, don't lose patience. A couple more questions to clarify.

I take 2-3 pills of 500 mgs. each day of Lysine for a week.
Then I take 2-3 pills of 500 mgs. each day of Arginine for a week.
Then, 2-3 pills of 500 mgs. of Lysine for a week.
Then, 2-3 pills of 500 mgs. of Arginine for a week.

Then, I am to take Solgar 75 Amino acids? Or do I keep taking Lysine and Arginine until they are gone? (a 30 day supply would last two months taking both)

How many mgs. of Solgar do I take each day? How long do I take the Solgar?

Also, I said the protein powder I use had Lysine and Arginine in it. Should I stop taking it because the Lysine and Arginine are both in there? I know I should stop because it's whey.

THANK YOU!  
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Thanks to you for clarifying too.  I don't quite have the courage to do this--am trying the "off the web" rub on stuff for them--a long-past history of shingles has made me (perhaps wrongly) reluctant to mess with the Lysine/Arginine balance, since it seems to be implicated in other herpes breakouts--but I may yet.  
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hi dearle

you pointed it out the best it might be ...it's ok like that; I saw that almost about 4 weeks and then go on the complete program of Solgars, and no other stufs more...might be enough like that.
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Elizabeth, your story is exactly why homeopathy is the way to go with this.
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Tomatilla,
How many mgs. of Solar per day? For how long?

And, is it okay to have Lysine and Arginine together in a protein drink powder?

THANKS!

Koolaid, I e-mailed your homeopath but haven't heard back. Tonight I found one about 30 minutes from me so I e-mailed them for help. We shall see.

Thanks everyone.
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ya welcome




                                       


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Llenai,  I have started using the medicine by mail, skipped the oil part--so it dries much faster--and it seems in a tiny way to be helping even after a couple of days.   The largest ones are flatter, and the tiny ones seem to be getting smaller, starting at the edges, although only a hair's breadth.  It would be wonderful to find something simple (and not have to mess with my diet, which I have worked hard on).  I do smell like myrrh and camphor, but it is that season for taking out winter clothes, so I hope it just seems like that (or heavy perfume) .  Actually, I rather like it.  Good luck to us all!
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Elizabeth, Glad to see it's helping. I don't use the oil when I use it. I would rather it work faster than gentler.   I think I'll do better as it moves into winter clothing season because when it dries it leaves brown dots and truthfully I am covered with dots when I treat myself. Do you find it takes a while to dry? I try to do it when I get out of the shower and then by the time I finish doing my makeup it seems to have dried well enough to get dressed.

Yes, good luck to all of us.

(And...I sorta like the smell)
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Yes, there is browny-yellow stuff when it dries.  Even in the summer, this is a pretty dressy place, so I am well covered up, but winter is easy.  I put it on at night, and in the morning.  Good hand-eye coordination test to keep it from dripping.  I'll give more reports after it's had a while.  If this works, I intend to inform the dermatologist!
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I also read, either on the website or on the instruction page with the product ,that they will pay $300 in product if you send a before, during and after photo showing the product works. You might check it out. I just bought a digital camera this weekend and plan to take some photos.
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It has aloe, manna, senna leaves, rhubarb root, zedvoary root, theriac venezian, angelica root, carline thistle root, myrrh, camphor, saffron, stinging nettle, St. John's Wort in a base of alcohol.

St. John's must be to keep you from getting too depressed while waiting for results.  
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I have heard of most, but not zedvoary root and theriac venezian.  Sounds like Snape's homework in Harrry Potter.
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to be  the most correct as possible I've forgotten to mention, please add some Manganese
sorry
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Do I add Manganese as a daily ongoing supplement? How many mgs? How many times a day?


Thanks.  
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10 mg's once a day

and sorry to Elizabeth, was malpolite yup it works really but we have to be a bit patient
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Tomatilla, have no concern.  I am just still not yet ready to try shifting the balance of aminos (since I don't see signs of a problem there, and don't want to stir one up), and am trying the superficial approach first.  Down the road, I may try "plan B" a try and am very grateful for your explicit directions!  
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Elizabeth it's ok, no probs with that do you go for surgery bycryo-electro or laser

why not taking colostrum ...its' discussed here as *the detox and superbombe* for immunology
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Llenai,  Well, it is definitely working.  The smallest ones (just a tiny red streak, not a raised dot) are turning skin color, and the larger ones are infinitesimally smaller (starting at the outside, just a fraction of a hair more "skin color" and less red raised dot/blob depending on size).  I wish I knew why the magic was working, however.  The rate is such that I think 2 months will be about right for the large ones, a month for the small, unraised ones.  The skin seems to be thickening on the top too.  The bad news?  I have the sense that doing ANYTHING to these things causes them to seed--I see more little red dots.  But it gives some sense of control to know you can go after the worst ones.  
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Oh, GREAT Elizabeth!! Yes, if it's works on the worst ones in the worst places at least that is something. Mine continue to pop up. I don't know WHAT is causing this sudden burst.   I have new ones reach the surface daily it seems. I mean, the dermatologist said they usually get worse after 40, but it's like they are rushing to cover me by my 40th birthday which is April.

And my daughter has two warts (I think) on her hands that are also growing very rapidly. I am putting the same stuff on her but I'm not consistent enough with it either. Plus it's hard for her to sit still while it dries.

Would soy milk cause these things to grow?? I've been eating raw foods for about a year and a half and recently began adding a couple things the BTD says I can have but the raw diet doesn't. I've incorporated soy milk back in, mozarella cheese and rice. And, like I said, I tried the protein powder for about a month, but it was whey. I've since stopped, but plan to get the BTD protein powder soon.

Mmm?? So frustrating!  
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Elizabeth,

I sent you a private message yesterday.  
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On the ingredients for this new skin stuff: It has aloe, manna, senna leaves, rhubarb root, zedvoary root, theriac venezian, angelica root, carline thistle root, myrrh, camphor, saffron, stinging nettle, St. John's Wort in a base of alcohol.

Please note that Swedish bitters, which one drinks, and is a herbal tonic, invented or discovered by 18th Century Swedish medic Dr. Claus Samst, looks awrfully similar. As may be guessed from its name, it is a type of bitters. It is claimed to cure a large number of ailments (including gallstones) and help digestion. However these claims are presented with little in the way of scientific evidence to back them up.

One published recipe uses the ingredients:- aloe, myrrh, saffron, senna leaves, camphor, angelica root, zedvoary root, manna, theriac venezian, carline thistle root and rhubarb root.  So the "stuff" substitutes nettle for rhubarb, and adds St. John's wort.  I was very curious about it--maybe someone just tried rubbing on Swedish bitters!
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Elizabeth,

I've tried to respond to you PM, but your inbox is full. Could you delete the old posts and let me know when I can reply back?  

I've been searching on the internet for cherry angioma and found they are also called Campbell de Morgan lesions also. They seem to be some subtype of things called hemangiomas. It seems some type of pulsed light technology can get rid of them. But, it's expensive. Here is a before and after.

http://www.md-laserderm.com/photos/angiomas/2/

and maybe Chinese herbs can help??

http://www.hnmrc.net/pd-2053072611.html?categoryId=41&gclid=CIPu7ZTAtogCFQRDUAodly1d2w

http://www.vitiligo-tcm.com/    Something about balancing you Qi. Isnt' there yoga or some exercises that can help do this too?

And then I saw this brief info. about a question that cherry angiomas could be linked to bromides.

http://content.karger.com/Prod.....&ArtikelNr=51587

What the heck are bromides? Don't know. It seems to be something in veterinary medicines, pesticides, insecticides. Then, I saw on my raw food chat board at http://www.alissacohen.com that some bottled waters have bromides in them. The poster suggested checking google for: carcinogenic bromate "bottled water". I haven't done that yet. But, what I read on the posts when I searched under "bromide" on the raw food board was enough to make me think I'm stopping most bottled waters and am just going to carry my well water from home that has been run through my reverse osmosis thingy. (That I won from Culligan on a radio show!!!!)

So, hmmm, still researching since these things continue to multiply and are growing.

Leigh
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