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I have mercury fillings and I just wanted to some hear info about it from the people in this chat room.  I would like to get a hari analysis done and a Mercury Vapor Test.  Has anyone had success with these test and has anyone done a DMPS.  I have read that the DMPS is a chelating agent that binds Mercury.  Do any of you know of a good clinic to get tested and treated and which of DaDamo's products do you think would be helpfull for mercury exposure.  I have read that most of the Mercury from Mercury Vapors finds it way into the kidneys.  I am planning on taking Dadamo's product Taraxacum, since it used to support kidney function.  Any info would be appreciated thank you.
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I have been shopping around for a new dentist.  I had a wonderful Holistic dentist that I started going to because I wanted to get the remaining mercury out of my teeth.  Turns out he is 1/3 more expensive than any other dentist in town.  So, I have kept up with cleaning and exams, and can't afford to get the actual work done.
Yesterday I chose a dentist who has been working mercury-free for 14 years, and uses safe removal practices.  His prices are MUCH less than the "Holistic" dentist, and so once again, I am moving forward toward getting this toxic waste out of my teeth.

I am hoping that the removal will help with this fatigue I have been dealing with for the past couple of years.  I do follow recommendations in the Fatigue book, get 8 1/2 hours of sleep a night, keep regular hours in my eating and sleeping, take some wonderful herbs for adrenal support, test well within the normal range for thyroid.  So I'm down to the mercury as a possible cause.  I also feel like my eyes and head are stuffed with cotton.  I'm not talking about sinus congestion.  I'm also not talking about memory problems.  My mind works clearly, and my sinuses are quite clear these days.  It's just a strange sensation, especially in and around my eyes, and in my cheeks when I smile.

I have been taking Chlorella daily and plan to increase the dose a bit when the procedures actually start.  

Do any of you have experiences of symptoms of mercury overload, or relief of symptoms (after having mercury removed) that you would like to share?  



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I have 2 large lower molars that have huge amalgam fillings that are ancient.  (future crowns)
Then I have two other lower molars that have fillings that are not so large.  (possible inlays)
These 4 are my top priorities.

Then I have one small amalgam filling that is on the inside of a canine tooth.  It will be the last one I deal with.

I have had a lot of mercury removed in the past, all of them by a dentist who just went in there with a drill and did the work.  No dental dam, no nose guard, no oxygen.  I may have a lot in my body that needs detoxing.



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I have had a lot of mercury removed in the past, all of them by a dentist who just went in there with a drill and did the work.  No dental dam, no nose guard, no oxygen.  I may have a lot in my body that needs detoxing.


Sounds exactly like how I remember my amalgams being removed, although he might have used a dental dam on one or two occasions.


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Do any of you have experiences of symptoms of mercury overload, or relief of symptoms (after having mercury removed) that you would like to share?

Yes, I have been diagnosed with mercury toxicity as the cause of my health issues. Mercury can effect each person somewhat differently depending on where it settles in the body and that is the reason there can be such a long list of symptoms related to mercury and hard by normal methods and doctors to identify.




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There are probably better ways of prioritizing the order in which the fillings need to be replaced, at least in terms of the mercury/health impact.

My Dr using his bio-resonance testing method (FCT) will tell me which quadrant to do each time. The dentist confirmed based on electrical reading off of the fillings, which is what she normally uses to prioritize the work, that the first quadrant selection that I had done was a good one. I am hopeful that in about 10 days I will be given the go ahead by my doctor to get the next quadrant done.


All 4 of my large fillings are lower teeth, so I could work in quadrants pretty reasonably (for my finances).  At this time, there is no way that I could afford to work with your Dr., so does this approach sound reasonable to you?  Two lower teeth on one side, then two lower teeth on the other side.  ??



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KK's method (fwiw).

Do you know if you have a tendancy to chew on one side of your mouth over the other....more?

If so, then I would choose the side you chew on most first.


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I definately have a chewing side preference, and that is the side I was thinking I would start on.  It makes sense that I would be activating toxic off-gassing every time I chew.  



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All 4 of my large fillings are lower teeth, so I could work in quadrants pretty reasonably (for my finances).  At this time, there is no way that I could afford to work with your Dr., so does this approach sound reasonable to you?  Two lower teeth on one side, then two lower teeth on the other side.  ??

I would try to do it in quadrants if that reduces the number of office visits, since that might reduce the cost and discomfort (number of numbing shots). My holistic dentist said they will not do mercury fillings replacement on boths sides of the mouth on the same visit, but will do all of one side per visit.

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KK's method (fwiw).

Do you know if you have a tendancy to chew on one side of your mouth over the other....more?

If so, then I would choose the side you chew on most first.

That would seem to make some sense, but the quadrant that was selected to be done first for me was not my dominate chewing side. I would at least consider the electrical readings of the various fillings before definitely deciding which filling/quadrant/side to do first.


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How would I go about getting an electrical reading, Don?  I've never heard of doing that, and don't know who would do it for me.



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As I said my dentist did it, even though I told her what quadrant my doctor said to do first. I think she went ahead and still did it to see if she agreed with the doctor's recommendation, since I don't think any patient had ever told her what quadrant was to be done based on another testing method.

Ask your dentist if he is equipped to test the fillings electrical charge.


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Didn't you mention in another thread that you take B12?

8. Why is vitamin B-12 as a supplement or additive dangerous?

Many Universities have published articles on the ability of Vitamin B-12 to convert mercury vapor into the much more deadly “Methyl mercury”.  Methyl mercury knows no barriers, and creates far more havoc than other mercury chemicals, because of its ability to travel anywhere in the body without inhibitions.  Sometimes the effects of high doses of Vitamin B-12 (over 50 micrograms) take months to correct.


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Are you going to have serum dental material bio-compatibility testing done?

17. What are considered safe materials and do they have to be metal free?

“Safe” dental materials are those that do not produce toxins, and do not react adversely to your immune system.  A special blood test can determine which dental materials react with your personal immune system, and which ones do not.  Dental materials that create what are called “antigen-antibody complexes” are forming clogging particles that can get lodged in your kidney, lungs, heart or brain.  These blockages of proper blood flow through critical organs can create problems that you may not want.  Some metals are toxic in any form, like mercury, while others, like calcium or titanium, may not create a toxic reaction in your body.  Blood tests (compatibility testing) will tell the story.



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I have mentioned the candida / mercury relationship before in other threads, but I thought I would post this information here too since it was in the same FAQ source as the above information.
20. Is ‘Candida’ related to my amalgams (silver fillings)?

Strangely enough, Candida is there to save your life.  It changes methyl mercury to a less toxic (but still toxic) form. Bacteria change it back to methyl mercury, and the system goes back and forth.  If Candida were eliminated while you have amalgam in your mouth, your health will not be as good as if it were there protecting you.  Complex, but yes, there is a relationship.



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This is why I have not started a battle against candida.  As long as it is in check, I keep it around.  
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B12 as in cyanocobalamin, as opposed to methylcobalamin......
I believe the first has cyanide and is chemically made.

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000015.htm
Cyanocobalamin Versus Methylcobalamin


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As far as I know the form of B12 has nothing to do with the risk that I posted about above.


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Here is a good list of symptoms.


Here is a list of symptoms that can be caused by mercury toxicity, and which are particularly associated with it. (Of course, there are other causes of these symptoms as well).


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Didn't you mention in another thread that you take B12?


Yes, I have been taking 1,000 mcg/daily.  Sounds like it's not a good idea with amalgams.



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Are you going to have serum dental material bio-compatibility testing done?


I was not planning on it.  At this point, I will be dealing with only crowns and not fillings.  What do you think of noble gold for base crown material?



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It might be a good thing to work with the Huggins methods for mercury removal, but there is no one here who follows his procedures to the letter.  The Holistic dentist that I have just left is the closest in belief system, but he does me absolutely no good if I can't afford his work, which I can't.  I'm wasting a lot of time, and decided to just get on with it as best I can.  
I would love to hear any suggestions on how I can maximize my health and recovery, seeing as how I'm going to have 4 large fillings removed, and the teeth crowned with noble gold and/or porcelain.  I won't be traveling to specialized dentists, because it's a stretch for me to even be able to get the stuff out in the first place.
At least the dentist I'm working with uses dental dams, eye and nose protection, oxygen and high powered suction devices.  Beyond that, I'll do the best I can.



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Mr. KK just got a quote/opinion for removing his mercury fillings and replacing them with ceramic. The dentist (whom we got off the net because he was listed in the Mercury Free Dental list) told him that using composite on these fillings would be tandamount to "malpractice," since some of them are pretty big.

However, the dentist quoted a price of 1,200 per tooth! and he has six that need to be replaced.

Or regular dentist (whom we are not happy with at all), gave a quote of just under $1,300 to replace them all with composite, and gave a comparison quote of $625 per tooth to replace them with ceramic.

Anyone have any opinion on whether or not composite is okay for replacing amalgam in smaller fillings but not larger ones?  

 

Mr. KK is probably going to be getting more quotes/opinions on his teeth.  In addition, this Mercury Free Dentist is the only one who has ever told him that he grinds his teeth at night, and that he needs this $1,500 guard to wear at night.  He said he could tell by how Mr. KK's enamel is worn down.


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It's my understanding that small fillings do well with composite if it is made with recent formulations.  Ten years ago, composites were not stable, and today, some dentists lag behind in their evolution because they are unwilling to upgrade their materials.  
Large fillings, on the other hand usually need an inlay or an onlay, which is like a modified little crown, which leave more original tooth than a true crown does.  If the old filling is really large, and the tooth is just a shell, then a crown, such as porcelain bonded to noble gold.  

The holistic dentist that I can't afford, charges around $1,500 per crown, and the new dentist that I'm going to try, charges $1,100 per crown.  Composite fillings can be $150 to $400 each depending on how many surfaces they involve, and again, my new dentist charges 1/3 less than the holistic one.
The trend in our city is that more and more dentists are switching over to composite, and what I have been told is that the new composite material is very strong.  I will be paying about $250 for one filling replacement and $1,100 each for 4 crowns.  

When you say ceramic, do you mean it will be like a crown?  I've never heard of "filling" a tooth with ceramic.  If it's an inlay or onlay, then I can see why it is expensive because like I mentioned earlier, it's like a little crown, and they are usually close to the same price.

Another modification. .
 It could be that Mr. KK's fillings are too large to be filled with composite.  If that's the case, then the dentist may be correct that it would be like malpractice to do it that way.  By ceramic, are you referring to porcelain?



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When you say ceramic, do you mean it will be like a crown?  I've never heard of "filling" a tooth with ceramic.  If it's an inlay or onlay, then I can see why it is expensive because like I mentioned earlier, it's like a little crown, and they are usually close to the same price.

Another modification. .
 It could be that Mr. KK's fillings are too large to be filled with composite.  If that's the case, then the dentist may be correct that it would be like malpractice to do it that way.  By ceramic, are you referring to porcelain?


The new dentist called them "ceramic" and yes, said they would be stronger than a regular filling.  The term Mr. KK said the dentist used would be like "bonding."  They would be, like you said, sort of like a crown in that the filling/repair is formed off site like a crown is, but it would just fit the filling and not fit over the tooth.  So I'm "assuming" the ceramic means porcelain.

The old dentist would charge $625 a tooth to do this, and we had to ask for this.  The new dentist "might" be able to do two of the fillings on insurance; one this year and one next.  That would mean we would probably have to pay 1/2, or $600 a tooth.

Mr. KK is going to try to call around and find out other dentist prices to replace these amalgams.  I let him do all this interviewing of new dentists becuz...he's real fastidious about having a dentist explain every tiny thing he's going to do and make sure there are no surprises and I just kinda go with the flow.

Meanwhile, I'm still procrastinating on my knee.  So, it's business as usual in the KimonoKat household.


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