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I hope this is not just a simple question and I've overlooked a simple answer, but............
how do we get the water we drink and get from our fruits and veggie into our cells and not just our body? i.e. blood stream



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by gap junction....btw but have an on this...there's intracellular & extracellular H2O
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Somehow I recall that water from fruit and veggies get into our cells easier than from water- is that correct ?


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Somehow I recall that water from fruit and veggies get into our cells easier than from water- is that correct ?

Yes, Dr. D. talks about intracellular versus extracellular hydration. †Intracellular is when the water gets to the inside of our cells, deeply hydrating us. †Extracellular is when it just sorta flushes right through us without ever penetrating into the cells. †When we drink water (which is important, don't get me wrong!!!), it is a less efficient way to get intracellularly hydrated than when we eat fruits or vegetables with a high water content, as the fruit and/or veggie in question is a better delivery system to get the water into our cells; it is more readily utilized by our cells when it arrives packaged in a fruit or veggie.

Example: †After work and several obnoxious errands yesterday, I mowed my lawn and it was extremely (well, actually, not extremely, for Florida, but anyway) hot outside. †By the time I was done, I was way past the point of being thirsty and I knew I needed immediate hydration. †I drank some Gerolsteiner (mineral water), but I also ate some very ripe, delicious watermelon. †The watermelon was way more thirst-quenching than the mineral water (maybe because the latter was sparkling, but anyway). †However, the subjective experience of which is more thirst quenching probably doesn't mean much. †The fact is, the water in that watermelon probably had a better shot of getting deep into my cells than the mineral water did, although both are usable. †It is just that the water in the fruit is more readily so.


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When we drink water (which is important, don't get me wrong!!!), it is a less efficient way to get intracellularly hydrated than when we eat fruits or vegetables with a high water content, as the fruit and/or veggie in question is a better delivery system to get the water into our cells;


My understanding is the amount of hydration also depends on how we drink the water and not simply on the amount of water consumed.

Gulp down several glasses at once is supposed to do a good job of flushing out the kidneys but not hydrating the body.

Whereas sipping small amounts of water over a period of time is supposed to result in better cell hydration.  


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Pep, I love my sparkling water with a twist of lime, when it is hot this really cools you off



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My understanding is the amount of hydration also depends on how we drink the water and not simply on the amount of water consumed.

Gulp down several glasses at once is supposed to do a good job of flushing out the kidneys but not hydrating the body.

Whereas sipping small amounts of water over a period of time is supposed to result in better cell hydration. †

Interesting!  Makes sense, too, as when we drink water at a high rate of speed, it will be more than we can absorb/utilize at one time, so the rest would go about the business of "flushing" our systems.  Conversely, if we just sip water slooooowly, each little bit has time to absorb and be utilized.



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Pep, I love my sparkling water with a twist of lime, when it is hot this really cools you off

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Electrolytes.  When we transfer sodium in and out of the cells they bring water in with them and out.  There a sodium pumps that exchange potassium for sodium.  When we get this exchange we flush out the cells, thus cleansing the cells.  The problem can be that we don't have enough potassium or sodium or it can also be that the pumps don't have energy.  ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) is energy for the pumps.  Magnesium is key to the production of ATP.  It's not a good idea to take magnesium without calcium.  Around 1:2 ratio.  
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Electrolytes.  When we transfer sodium in and out of the cells they bring water in with them and out.  There a sodium pumps that exchange potassium for sodium.  When we get this exchange we flush out the cells, thus cleansing the cells.  The problem can be that we don't have enough potassium or sodium or it can also be that the pumps don't have energy.  ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate) is energy for the pumps.  Magnesium is key to the production of ATP.  It's not a good idea to take magnesium without calcium.  Around 1:2 ratio.  


thank you saverain, this is the answer for which I was looking. I already knew the thing about fruits & veggies, but I wanted to know how to get the water we drink in there.
So since I just had blood work done, it'll be 'portant for me to look at my sod & pot, which I was sure to ask to be tested, as well as a bunch of other stuff.         So ATP cannot be supplemented but only produced by the body by having plenty of mag and calcium? Is this correct?



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However, the subjective experience of which is more thirst quenching probably doesn't mean much. †The fact is, the water in that watermelon probably had a better shot of getting deep into my cells than the mineral water did,...


It surely does mean a hell of a lot, not necessarily in the direction of hydration extent, the question is exactly what. Perhaps it's the available sugars and specific minerals within the fruit/veg water, that hydrates and feeds us at the same time, and the thirsty body needs more than what mineral water offers. †



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Well, I think I'm going to start putting a few grains of Himalayan Crystal Salt in my tumbler of water that I am drinking and refilling countless times a day during this heat wave.



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how do we get the water we drink and get from our fruits and veggie into our cells and not just our body? i.e. blood stream


My experience as an A with loads of waterretention before my BTD period, I must say that adhering to my A-diet diminished the bigger part of my extracellular water immensely.

With the high temps right now here in Holland I do minimize the intake of grain.
Only 1 slice of speltbread as lunch..
My amaranth/buckwheat porridge I used to eat every morning is replaced by plain soyyoghurt, with 1 tablspoon of ground flaxseeds, blueberries and walnuts, together with 1 cup of green tea and my MFCocktail... That's it!

My experience is that my grain-intake (even to a bigger extent: wheat!!) makes me keep the water in my system..
At dinnertime just veggies with tofu and a glass of red wine..

For the rest during the day: green tea, water....

Just my 2 cents to keep the (extracellular) water away!!  

Take care and stay intracellular hydrated....

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Juices have the minerals with the water - Besides Sodium for the taking of energy into the cell, Potassium is also used for the removal of waste products from the cell.

Plain water lacks the additional elements to drive the intracellular reactions, so the body goes to 'waste mode' to jettison the extra liquid...


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Juices have the minerals with the water -.


Schluggell, what if one is trying to stay off fruit juice for the time? Is there anything else I can do? Thanks.  



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Schluggell, what if one is trying to stay off fruit juice for the time? Is there anything else I can do? Thanks.  


Heidi Merritt used to recommend water with either a pinch of salt or a little lemon juice added.


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Heidi Merritt used to recommend water with either a pinch of salt or a little lemon juice added.


Thanks I'll start w/ the salt. Anyone know which would work better - salt or lemon?



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Why not use both, Pat?  Remember our conversation a while back about a couple of the great brands of salt?  Try a few grains of it (not to overdo it) in every glass of water, plus a bit of added fresh lemon will supply the minerals and electrolytes that Schluggell was talking about.  Sounds like a winner to me...and no sugars!!



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Thanks I'll start w/ the salt. Anyone know which would work better - salt or lemon?


I use salt because it is more convenient, but also because over time, drinking lemon water can wear away the enamel on your teeth (acid).  

For occasional use, a mouthful of lemon juice swished around is a great way to remove tea stains from teeth!  It also works on clothes...


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For occasional use, a mouthful of lemon juice swished around is a great way to remove tea stains from teeth!  It also works on clothes...


Kate, thanks for the tip on whitening the teeth. Re: lemon for clothes, I use lemon juice (cheap) and white vinegar in place of bleach for my whites. Works great except on the most stubborn stains.  




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thank you saverain, this is the answer for which I was looking. I already knew the thing about fruits & veggies, but I wanted to know how to get the water we drink in there.
So since I just had blood work done, it'll be 'portant for me to look at my sod & pot, which I was sure to ask to be tested, as well as a bunch of other stuff. † † † † So ATP cannot be supplemented but only produced by the body by having plenty of mag and calcium? Is this correct?
 

I'm sorry I worded it wrong,  Magnesium attaches to the ATP to produce energy.  It doesn't produce ATP.  Protein enzymes produce ATP, don't know of a supplement.  I would concentrate on the sod and pot first, getting a good balance of calcium and magnesium can be tough.      
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Interesting and thanks for all the explanations
Yesterday I spent a WHOLE day in The HOT CITY -( I think all the americans and japanese has invaded Copenhagen )
 and I realised that watermelonsmoothie was the only thing that kept me well- tried the plain water and just peed.
The juicebar made this smotthie:
frozen watermelon, raspberries and lemonjuice put in the blender It was so good that I wnt back after lunch and had a second.
So NORMally I would ask my "dessert" child to get plain water ( no sugar)
- but during this heatwave summer she has been allowed to make thin juicedrinks ( with organic cranberry or raspberry cordials ) and she has actually been drinking- no more fights! over her "no drinks" lifestyle !


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