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greenfields
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I have hypothyroidism and was on Armour thyroid for about a year and it was working for me, in terms of fatigue and (together with this diet) weight loss. I lost 20 lbs. in one year. I went off the medication (under a ND's care) because I really didn't know much about Armour thyroid and don't like the idea of being on medication.

Over time and with the help of supplements recommended by the ND, my morning fatigue has drastically reduced, but I am no longer losing weight. I have 15 - 20 more lbs. to lose. I am wondering:
1. What does anyone know about Armour thyroid and the effects of being on it over time? and
2. Are there any alternatives to being on medication that anyone knows about?

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Armour thyroid usp made from pig (porcine) thyroid.
I suggest you find other alternatives with your Dr.


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Is this other 20# what you want to lose, or is to get back to a 'proper' weight?


From the PDR, Armour Thyroid should not be taken to lose weight - if your current therapy is working, don't restart the Armour...


Generic Huperizine A (brands are: Memorall (PharmAssure) or Huperzine Rx-Brain (Nature's Plus) is a plant-based form 'Thyroid Glandular' from Chinese Club Moss {Huperzia serrata - Huperziaceae}.


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If you're hypothyroid you really need the medication to get your metabolism to work normally.  You need to revisit your Dr., have your levels tested and get back on the meds if you need them.  There are several different kinds/brands and sometimes it takes a few tries to get it right.  
I'm hypothyroid and I take Levoxyl and Cytomel (love this stuff) and if I ever went off them I'd fall asleep driving my car and gain thirty pounds in a month.  


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Does it help to take kelp/iodine if you are already on thyroid medication?  Is there even any way to get off the meds.  I would think so. (If one can get off insulin, I suppose they could get off this!) So many folks are on thyroid meds nowadays, that its almost scary.
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I guess if your thyroid begins to function properly you can get off the meds.  My meds have been reduced 4 times now since I've been BTD'ing.  I have another test Saturday and hopefully another reduction in meds next week.  


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I m sure you will eventually get to that point you want to be Karen!
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Armour and Westhroid have been prescribed decades longer than Synthroid.  I agree with mikendomsmum's comments since you are hypothyroid.
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Yeah, it's not just the weight, it's the other symptoms (like constipation, dry skin and hair, etc.) that are creeping back bit by bit. I guess the good news is that I'm not gaining any weight like before (I gained 35 lbs. in one year before I got diagnosed - thanks in part to those Dr's who wouldn't listen to me as I kept saying, "I'm eating healthy food, but I keep gaining weight.")

It's so hard to know what's best. I'm usually of the mind that there has to be a natural solution, but this one has been tough on me. My ND did prescribe iodine and vitamin E and I am able to get out of bed better and better each day.

But what are the other solutions???

And is there something particularly bad about pig hormones (armour thyroid) besides the fact that pork is an avoid?
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I went to Dr. Rod (chiro) Monday on an acute basis (too much "aggressive gardening" this Sunday).  He said "Have you ever thought of going to an endocrinologist about the weight?"  Uh, YES.  And I did mean to mention to my new regular doc that I would like to get my thyroid function tested, so I will mention that in six months when I go back for her to check on the weight.  I said in response to Dr. Rod, well, let me give the whole smaller-portions-more-frequently thing time to work and then we'll see about the endocrine stuff.  He said, well, it seems to me that you eat right and it seems to me that you exercise (! based on that I was in there as a mangled, twisted up shell of my former self from doing a marathon yard work spree *lol*) and it seems to me that you really try hard to get the weight off and I think if they could get the endocrine system in balance--if it isn't--you could turn into a fat-burning machine.

Well, Dr. Rod, I don't know if I'd go THAT far.  I mean, "fat-burning machine"?  Not seeing it happening.  But I would like to be able to lose weight like a normal person.  I think I might have hypothyroid because of the weight and because in recent years it seems my normal temperature runs low (96.8 instead of 98.6).  How weird is THAT?  I used to have a normal temperature!

ANYWAY, I'm scared to find out, truth be told, as say they say, yep, guess what?  You are hypothyroid.  I'm guessing the next words out of their mouths will be that I need to take synthetic thyroid hormone, or ANY thyroid hormone.  Taking any sort of hormone scares the wits out of me because I have a healthy respect for hormones.  I think they are the most powerful forces in the universe *lol*!  And, in the immortal words of the bygone margarine ad:  "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!"  I've had a LOT of experiences with western medicine in which the "cure" is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY, way, way worse than the disease.  I just feel like maybe I should leave fat enough alone, so to speak.  I'd rather be fat and fairly healthy than thin and somehow wacking out or stressing my system with an added hormone.

So, I definitely understand you wanting to go off the thing, although on the other hand, if one's natural hormone balance is NOT in balance at all but OUT of balance, isn't it a good thing to artificially balance it?  It could be the simple key to SO much for me:  weight loss (can I get an OH YEAH BABE?), perhaps more energy, a better outlook/optimism, etc.

I don't know what to tell you.  Jane from this board knows a lot more about thyroid issues than your average pup.  Jane?  Are you there?  Help us out here.


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Yeah, it's not just the weight, it's the other symptoms (like constipation, dry skin and hair, etc.) that are creeping back bit by bit. I guess the good news is that I'm not gaining any weight like before (I gained 35 lbs. in one year before I got diagnosed - thanks in part to those Dr's who wouldn't listen to me as I kept saying, "I'm eating healthy food, but I keep gaining weight.")

It's so hard to know what's best. I'm usually of the mind that there has to be a natural solution, but this one has been tough on me. My ND did prescribe iodine and vitamin E and I am able to get out of bed better and better each day.

But what are the other solutions???

And is there something particularly bad about pig hormones (armour thyroid) besides the fact that pork is an avoid?


I had a difficult time being diagnosed also.  My OB/gyn was my primary care doc and she told me that all the symptoms I had were normal after having a second child.  My symptoms included, gaining a lot of the weight I'd just lost from childbirth (on a 800-1200 calorie per day diet), falling asleep while driving my oldest son to school (I drove off the road onto the shoulder twice with 2 children in the car), feeling that my head weighed 90 pounds (I could hardly hold it up), knowing I "just wasn't right".  I finally went to a sports doctor, who I visited because my joints became so sore, he recognised the symptoms immediately and did a blood draw right there.  I've since switched docs several times because they think that the levoxyl should take care of all my symptoms and I shouldn't have any complaints, ever, about the way I just "didn't feel right" and continued weight gain despite reduced calorie dieting.  I like my doc now, she's hypothyroid too.    

I don't think there's anything particularly bad about replacing a very important hormone if you need it to have a good quality of life.  After all, it may be temporary.


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P.T. I've been on thyroid meds for quite a while and if you have trouble losing the weight even with thyroid meds (or without, for that matter) ask your doc to let you try some cytomel.  It's worked wonders for me.  I always had symptoms (weight/metabolism) even with the levoxyl until I started the cytomel.


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PT: What about good old kelp (iodine source) to help? How about chromium & a general balance of all the needed minerals.
My old chiro gives 'nutritional counseling'.  I'm sure he would have an answer.
Since I'm probably 'persona non grata' with him after challenging him on that insurance issue, I can't ask!  But I bet any naturopath, naprapath, or nutrtionally oriented doctor worth their sea salt could give you some answers!
I can't believe that there aren't answers to the thyroid/weight issue.
Maybe you could go to your health food store & ask if they know anyone who got help for thyroid.  There are answers out there!!!!!!
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I can't believe that there aren't answers to the thyroid/weight issue.


Yeah, where's our nice little paperback book written by Dr. D on Hypothyroidism (or at least "Hormones")!? More info would be helpful for sure! Like, when I was just rereading this and someone mentioned joint pain and then I read something else where someone else connected back pain to it - I've had both since being off the meds. Would be nice to know if it was related.

And can anyone tell me more about these?

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Generic Huperizine A (brands are: Memorall (PharmAssure) or Huperzine Rx-Brain (Nature's Plus) is a plant-based form 'Thyroid Glandular' from Chinese Club Moss {Huperzia serrata - Huperziaceae}.


PT - I'd say get checked - you don't have to take the drugs, but at least you will have more information. For me, it was very validating that I wasn't doing something wrong or missing something. And you really do become a "fat burning machine" when balanced. I could go crazy with the spelt and other neutrals and not gain weight!!!

And, alas, the remaining 15-20 lbs. someone asked about would get me to a very reasonable weight. I'm still a bit overweight according to the BMI ("marginally overweight" according to the generous one that I like).  
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check Jean s thyroid threads........eye opening indeed!!


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PT - I'd say get checked


and don't wait another 6 mths. If it were me, I'd make another appt or at least call to see if you could just have a blood draw to check it out. Also, if your adrenals glands are not functioning properly, eating fruit, as I hear it, will cause you to continue to gain weight or not be able to lose.



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and don't wait another 6 mths. If it were me, I'd make another appt or at least call to see if you could just have a blood draw to check it out. Also, if your adrenals glands are not functioning properly, eating fruit, as I hear it, will cause you to continue to gain weight or not be able to lose.

Pat, one thing I can say definitively in life:  fruit is not my problem.

That's about all I know for sure.  



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PT, just curious if you've checked the symptoms for adrenal fatigue.



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About adrenal needs--I have taken larger doses of pantothenic acid (B5) for years as I seem to need 250 mg daily if I eat pretty well & a lot more if I don't.  I have been taking less lately as I found a bigger dose (500) & take it every few days or so.
Adrenals are connected with various types of stress.  The RDA for panto is only 10 which is absolutely ridiculous!  Try more of panto & see what happens.

Also take kelp.  It is sooo cheap & good for you.  I also heard it is good for when you are in the sun too much (or was it radiation). Since you live in Florida, you probably are!  Even in Chicago, I take it.
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Hey Peppermint:

I was always wondering if you had thyroid issues.  The fact that it takes you years to lose a few pounds and minutes to put those pounds on makes me wonder.  The doctor I saw suggested that thyroid was typically an O concern and adrenals were more of an A issue.


You should take your temperature underneath your arm first thing in the morning 2 days before your period is set to begin and 2 days into your period.  This will give you an accurate reading.

If you have PMS symptoms, it could be a signal that thyroid function is not optimal.
It is not good for your heart or cholesteral to wait a long time to see if your thyroid hormones are not at a good level.  

Check your resting pulse to see how low it is.  That was the biggest clue for my doctor.  Second clue was the kinky electrocardiogram.  My heart was shooting similar to an athlete, but with an irregular "stall".  He said it was consistent with a long history of lack of thyroid (specifically T3).
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Also sleep apnea is connected to thyroid issues.



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Is the Cytomel a natural supplement or a prescription drug??


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Cytomel is a prescription synthetic T3 thyroid hormone product.


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So I finally got to reading Jean's web log and, hmmm.... it makes me want to go back on meds! I guess I need to do more research on Armour and the effects of it over time, and I kinda suck at research. (See how I had to wait for Lola to find the thyroid reference right here on this very site?)

I feel like there must be another alternative. I just I wish I knew what it was. I don't want to start the meds again only to find out I only needed to snap my heels together three times. The iodine and vitamin E my ND prescribed just aren't cutting it yet. I did do some kinesiology and got that I need more of my B vitamins, cortiguard, and bromelain. So I ordered them. I will give those a try before going back to meds. I think.







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Hi greenfields, I too have to take thyroid meds (synthetic), since '94. Anyway, I was wondering whether anybody had continued on this type of med and begun taking eg Kelp and then gradually switched over??


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Cytomel is artificial T3.  Armour is from pigs but the advantage is that it also has T1 and T2 in it as well.  Take a look at Mary Shomon's site on About.com for all kinds of information about thyroid symptoms, types of treatment, etc.  I currently take a compounded T3 medication as well as levothroid which is T4.  My endo also has me trying to take it with food and at night (the levothroid) which is exactly the opposite of anything that I've ever heard before but he thinks it might help me sleep better.  I'm undecided about that right now but I have a lot of extra stress so maybe it's a combo of things.  Years ago when I was first diagnosed with thyroid problems (freshman or sophomore year in college) I started taking cytomel.  I was switched to synthroid when I was pregnant with my first child.  I stayed on the synthroid until a year or so ago when I switched to the levothroid and the T3 was added it.
You should at least have your thyroid checked, PT, and if your TSH is high (now about 3.0, not 5.0 as it used to be) a little thyroid might help you out.
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...PT - I'd say get checked - you don't have to take the drugs, but at least you will have more information. For me, it was very validating that I wasn't doing something wrong or missing something.

Good point.  I just told someone in another thread that "knowledge is power" in regard to knowing one's secretor status.  Last night, I just had a very frank talk with my mom about her physical challenges and her putting off getting certain training that is out there to do with coping with blindness, because of reasons real and imagined that she has, and I told her basically the same thing (among other things).  So I do need to take my own advice (hey, there's a first time for everything, right?).  I do plan to ask my nunuDoc (a.k.a., my doctor) for a thyroid test when I see her in mid-December.  If she asks why, I'll say "Because for me to lose weight I either have to starve myself, which I'm unwilling to voluntarily do ever again, or I have to exercise as if I'm training for the Olympics, to the exclusion of everything else in my life."  And also there is the low-temp. thing.  I think it is ODD that my temperature always seems to be low when I get it taken at doctors' offices or to give blood.  It didn't used to be low, as I recall.

What gets me (back to the weight thing, for a minute) are the people who think weight is just a matter of calories in/calories out.  That is SO last millennium, way-of-thinking-wise.  It is like thinking that your blood cholesterol has everything to do with how much cholesterol you eat.  NOT.

Gotta get some hot water for tea now.  Later, duuuudes.  btw, Jane:  great post.  Just before I go to the doc. in December, I'll ask you what kind of test I'm to tell her to give me, as if you tell me now, I'm sure to forget by then.  While at home waiting for the city inspector who never arrived yesterday, I watched some daytime television and it completely fried my few remaining brain cells.  Therefore, the memory, she is gonzo.  Maybe you could send me an e-mail with what the good test(s) is/are for thyroid function, and I shall save it until approximately one day before I see the doctor, at which point I shall commit it to memory!



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I agree that Mary Shoman's site on About.com is full of information about thyroid.  Between Jean's blog and what I read on various sites on the internet I was encouraged to ask my endocrinologist to change my Synthroid to Westhroid.  Jane is right that Armour, Westhroid, and Naturethroid all have T1, T2, T3 and T4.  Certainly, many people do well with Cytomel plus Synthroid.  I just decided to go with Westhroid for the time being to see how it works out.  

My TSH always came back normal but after gaining 40 lbs. in one year I knew something was wrong.  After my thyroid was removed (thyroid papillary cancer) I was put on Synthroid.  I worked hard to lose those 40 lbs. but was getting nowhere.  I read Jean's blog and did a little research on Westhroid finding that many persons who could lose no weight on Synthroid were successful losing weight once they changed to Armour or Westhroid.

That did it for me!!!!!!!!   I had a nice long talk with my endo and she finally agreed that yes, with the way I was eating I should have been losing weight and she prescribed Westhroid.  

I have only 20 more pounds to lose, now, and am ecstatic to finally show some weight loss for all my trouble.

Tests are always work in progress.  Sometimes you have to go with your instincts.
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I read Jean's blog and did a little research on Westhroid finding that many persons who could lose no weight on Synthroid were successful losing weight once they changed to Armour or Westhroid.

That did it for me!!!!!!!!   I had a nice long talk with my endo and she finally agreed that yes, with the way I was eating I should have been losing weight and she prescribed Westhroid.  

I have only 20 more pounds to lose, now, and am ecstatic to finally show some weight loss for all my trouble.

Tests are always work in progress.  Sometimes you have to go with your instincts.


That's fantastic NHG!  My doc reduced my cytomel last month and I'm feeling awful lately.  Tired, moody, bad sleep, back pain, headaches, lost sex drive.  I just called her and I'm waiting for a return call.  I need to either go back to the full dose of cytomel or switch to one of those you mentioned.  I wrote them down and I'll see what she says about it.  Thanks for the info!  I haven't been to the Mary Shomon site in years.


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Karen, let me know how you make out on this problem.  The whole thing is a juggling game, isn't it!  You, yourself, know how you feel.  No one else does unless you keep them informed and keep your resolve about getting help.  This is the way I look at it:  my endocrinologist is getting her first experience in practice after everything a doctor does to get through with the education process.  I am always polite but in the back of my mind I figure she's learning from me, as well as I'm taking advantage of her knowledge.   I'm a lot older than she and I tell her the truth about how I feel.  She's beginning to understand my process of thought and that I am not a threat to her just because I ask questions.  We get along very well and I'm happy with her listening skills and her own questions.  It's a nice give and take.
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It is difficult to find a doc who understands unless they've actually been through the thyroid thing.  I found a good one too but they're only good if they're giving you what you want so we'll see what she says today.


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Well, doc called and agreed with me that I need the cytomel to feel "normal" so I'm back on full dosage.  I had a blood test on Saturday and the results should be here in a day or two.  If my TSH is too low again she'll reduce the levoxyl and leave the cytomel alone.  Phew. What a relief that she agreed with what I wanted and I don't have to fight for my cytomel.  


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Gosh, Karen, I'm so excited for you!    I find the T3 works wonders for a person!
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PT, There are other things to consider too.
Toxicity – Implications in Weight Management
  • Laboratory animals undergoing toxicity testing
    showed decreased body temperatures.

  • Researchers believe that the movement towards
    hypothermia may be a protective device used by
    the body to slow down the effects of the toxins.

  • A theoretical model I have proposed over the past
    few years is that the greater number of people
    being seen today with low basal temperature is
    our response to an increase in toxic load.

  • Lower Metabolism and low temperature = Slower
    Toxic Effects = Poor Energy Creation = More
    Weight Gain = Slower Weight Loss

  • In the July 2004 International Journal of Obesity,
    Dr. Angelo Tremblay of Laval University in
    Quebec, Canada said the following:
    “Pollution seems to be a new factor affecting the
    control of thermogensis in some obese
    individuals experiencing body-weight loss.”

  • What this study found was metabolic rates
    slowed down in proportion to concentrations of
    organochlorines more so than in the
    concentrations of leptin. Two mechanisms were
    proposed, first the effect on the thyroid by these
    toxins and second as a mitochondrial toxin. My
    proposition, which comes from the data
    gathered from thousands of tests is that the
    affect of environmental toxins, from
    organochloric, phosphic, petrochemical,
    bacterial, or heavy metals is on the Citric Acid
    Cycle.


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I'm wondering:  if your thyroid blood tests come back "normal", is it still possible that you might be hypothyroid?  


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I'm wondering:  if your thyroid blood tests come back "normal", is it still possible that you might be hypothyroid?  


Melissa J blogged about something similar today...worth a read at least.


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Thanks Drea.  I'm a bit confused though, is a HIGHER TSH number worse?  Melissa said she almost fell over when it was over a 6 and said she felt like pond scum when it was over 3.  So is a lower number better?


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for me to lose weight I either have to starve myself, which I'm unwilling to voluntarily do ever again, or I have to exercise as if I'm training for the Olympics, to the exclusion of everything else in my life."  And also there is the low-temp. thing.  I think it is ODD that my temperature always seems to be low when I get it taken at doctors' offices or to give blood.  


I have been hypothyroid for prob 30 years. My temp has always been around 97.3. Also having a lower temp indicates that you may be an alien.    .  Read that somewhere years ago, prob in some rag mag.    

In talking to my NP yest, we were discussing my having gained some weight and really no explained reason. What it boiled down to was my adrenals. He told me to get off the fruit, sugars and greatly reduce my oil and butter intake. Because of my weak adrenals, my body isn't metabolizing these foods correctly. I'm taking some lipase and lecithin to try and get some weight off. And my adrenal supps. Not sure how that works, but hey worth a shot. PT I know you don't think fruit bothers you and while it may not make you feel bad, maybe your body isn't metabolizing it correctly right now. I guess this would go for rice and other grains as well, as they are high glycemic foods. Something to consider.  Love the NP!!!!



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Can't you just get plain old Bovine thyroid?? That's what I've taken for 5 years now and my thyroid levels are continuously at a level 1 steady.





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Between Jean's blog and what I read on various sites on the internet I was encouraged to ask my endocrinologist to change my Synthroid to Westhroid.  Jane is right that Armour, Westhroid, and Naturethroid all have T1, T2, T3 and T4.  Certainly, many people do well with Cytomel plus Synthroid.  I just decided to go with Westhroid for the time being to see how it works out.

Did you realize that the binding agent in Westhroid is cornstarch? Nature-throid, which is made by the same company Western Research Laboratories, is the same thing as Westhroid but does not use corn starch as the binding agent.
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Nature-Throid™ and Westhroid™ are natural thyroid hormone products derived from freshly excised and promptly frozen porcine glands. They are hormonally identical. Westhroid™ was originally bound with cornstarch, which was found to cause sensitivities in those who have food allergies. Realizing this, we made Nature-Throid™ which is bound with microcrystalline cellulose, a hypoallergenic binder. Nature-Throid™ is more suitable for patients who suffer with reactions to regular binding agents and fillers.




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Did you realize that the binding agent in Westhroid is cornstarch?


As is the case in sooooooooo many drugs and just aggravating as all get out!!!!!
Guess I need to look at what is in Levoxyl.  Could be setting myself up for failure each and every morning.  



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Thanks Drea.  I'm a bit confused though, is a HIGHER TSH number worse?  Melissa said she almost fell over when it was over a 6 and said she felt like pond scum when it was over 3.  So is a lower number better?


Higher TSH means lower thyroid, usually, so it's best to be in the 1-3 range in my experience.  I'm surprised I felt as good as I did at a 6.

It's possible to have any lab results and any symptoms  I've felt both high and low at the same time, and almost had my pituitary scanned b/c for a while the TSH didn't respond right to the T4.  I'm hoping levothroid does the trick now, but if not I'll campaign for the synthetic T3.  Funny how docs have one way of doing things, and try to apply that to every patient.


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It's possible to have any lab results and any symptoms  I've felt both high and low at the same time, and almost had my pituitary scanned b/c for a while the TSH didn't respond right to the T4.  I'm hoping levothroid does the trick now, but if not I'll campaign for the synthetic T3.  Funny how docs have one way of doing things, and try to apply that to every patient.


Always the reason to try and find a dr who listens to you listening to your own body and not just reading results on paper.



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Higher TSH means lower thyroid, usually, so it's best to be in the 1-3 range in my experience.  I'm surprised I felt as good as I did at a 6.

It's possible to have any lab results and any symptoms  I've felt both high and low at the same time, and almost had my pituitary scanned b/c for a while the TSH didn't respond right to the T4.  I'm hoping levothroid does the trick now, but if not I'll campaign for the synthetic T3.  Funny how docs have one way of doing things, and try to apply that to every patient.



What is T4?


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Hopefully I have this right, T4 is the precursor to the active T3 thyroid hormone.  Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothroid, etc. are all synthetic T4.  The thyroid produces T4.  Then your body and liver convert that to T3 for use.  There can be hangups all along the way, so some people do fine with synthetic T4, the standard treatment, others need natural thyroid (a combination), or synthetic T3 alone or combined with synthetic T4.

I don't know why doctors don't like to prescribe synthetic T3, it is much more powerful than the T4, so maybe it's harder to get the dose just right?  It also breaks down faster, so it doesn't last as long on the shelf or in the body...I think.


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to add to Melissa's info, 93% of T4 and 7% of T3 is secreted by the thyroid gland. Almost all the T4 is converted to T3 in the tissues. T3 is four times as potent as T4, but is present in the blood in smaller quantities and for a much shorter period of time. For normal qtys of T4 to form, we need to ingest about 1 mg of iodine in the form of iodides a week, thus the reason salt is iodized. Hope my Himalayan salt has iodine. I'd be pretty sure it does w/ all the minerals in it. It would be my guess the docs don't prescribe T3 much because the T4 is converted to T3. Maybe the T3 that is converted from T4, lasts longer in the body than a synthetic T3. Don't know, just a wild guess.



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As is the case in sooooooooo many drugs and just aggravating as all get out!!!!!
Guess I need to look at what is in Levoxyl.  Could be setting myself up for failure each and every morning.  


If you find out, please let me know, I take levoxyl too.


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As I read this thread, I am amazaed that  there are not more nutritional therapies available. There must be some herbs, homeopathic things, exercise protocols, diet, viatmins/minerals to help.  It's surprising that so many of you are on synthetics.  
Dr. D. What do you recommend??
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My endo changed me from sythroid to levothroid because of the fillers.  I guess all the others have artificial dyes.  I don't know about cornstarch though.  The T3 that I take is compounded at the pharmacy.  I take a small capsule of that in the morning and the levothroid (differing doses on different days of the week.)  I've been on a dose for many many many years that had totally suppressed my own thyroid from working because my tonsils were irradiated as a baby.  Just this past visit my endo told me that in some cases having the TSH as low as mine, point something, could actually interfere with weight loss too and certainly could explain some of my other symptoms like sleep problems.  
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I do know my levoxyl has dyes as it's blue/green. Need to look into alternative. Glad this was brought up.
Karen, will let you know what I find out.



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Just got my latest test results.  My T3, T4 and T7 are all within range but my TSH is still .01 which is too low.  It's been .01 ever since January and my  meds have been reduced each 6  weeks.  I guess my levoxyl needs to be even lower.  I've been wondering if it's the BTD that has affected my thyroid since it all happened at the same time.  I haven't brought it up with my doc since I really like her and if she says anything negative I'll be dissappointed.  


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.  I haven't brought it up with my doc since I really like her and if she says anything negative I'll be dissappointed.  


I can sure understand this. My NP is against BTD. I am seriously disappointed in that, but he is sooooooooooo extremely knowledgeable about so many other things, I just overlook that, discard anything he says that goes against BTD, and listen intently to everything else.



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As I read this thread, I am amazaed that  there are not more nutritional therapies available. There must be some herbs, homeopathic things, exercise protocols, diet, viatmins/minerals to help.  It's surprising that so many of you are on synthetics.  
Dr. D. What do you recommend??
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PS It seems probiotics are touted for so many things.  Do you think they would help in this?


That's where I started with all of this. I am of the mind that for "every disease there is a natural cure" - but it's a matter of finding it. I'm just sure there has to be an alternative. I got my cortiguard in the mail yesterday along with my A polyvite, B12, and Bromelain. I will be a guinea pig for awhile and check back in and see if anything changes. But there must be someone out there who has already done this, right? Who are you? Where are you? How did you conquer hypothryoidism without drugs? Tell us your story!

I know when I had PMS and menstrual probs and started taking natural progesterone - that stuff was hugely powerful (not to be toyed with without a doctor!). So there's got to be something for the thyroid.

As for the corn starch in the drugs - what about the fact that most of this comes from pigs and pork is an avoid??? Not to mention what else is in there, in terms of being an avoid?

I can certainly see why so many people with hypothyroidism are on synthetic drugs, though, just look at this thread - there's not a lot of knowledge about other options. And people are pretty savvy on this web site. That and the fact that it is really, really hard to live with the effects of hypothryoidism.

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Finally got around to reading just a bit of Mary Shomon's info on about.com - that looks really helpful. I think I might get her book "Living Well with Hypothyroidism". Anyone read it yet? And thanks for the reference!

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1.  This is an EXCELLENT, substance-laden, extremely informative thread on thyroid issues!  Thanks to everyone who is contributing, this is really good stuff.

2.  There is so much to consider and sift through regarding the proper hormones and brands, etc., to take if one is diagnosed as hypothyroid.  Day-uummm!  For example, I don't want anything with cornstarch in it.  And let's not even get into the whole porcine gland thing.  omg.  But, hey, if ya need the hormone, ya need the hormone, so you have to weigh the pro's and con's of everything.  Anyway, there is just so much that one needs to educate oneself on here before proceeding.  And we (us BTDers) are pretty much the cream of the self-empowering crop when it comes to taking the bull by the horns for our own health care.  Can you imagine how many of the regular, unquestioning sort of people just take whatever they are told to take, and it might not be exactly the right thing for them?  It might even be the WRONG thing for them?  Even those of us who try to learn as much as we can could easily get confused on this thyroid hormone issue.  Boy howdy.

3.  MoDon, your posts in this thread are superlatively informative.  Very interesting about the toxic load relationship to lower temp., etc.  Scary.


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3.  MoDon, your posts in this thread are superlatively informative.  Very interesting about the toxic load relationship to lower temp., etc.  Scary.

I believe this is the cause of my health problems.



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You rock! Will do - thank you!  

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MoDon, your posts in this thread are superlatively informative.  Very interesting about the toxic load relationship to lower temp., etc.  Scary.


My sister and I were talking about how when I was growing up thyroid disease was really rare and now how so many people have not only this, but hormonal problems, etc. She recently listened to something about how bad plastics are for affecting our hormones - the plastic bottles we drink out of all the time, the plastic  supplements come in (even the BTD supplements), the non-stick pans we cook in, etc. "We" = most people, however, I'm sure many people here have already started to clean this up around here. There's just so much in our environment to contend with these days. One more reason to eat BTD foods! Need the strength and immunity!!!
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I was rereading the section on thyroid disease in the BTD encyclopedia and was reminded that the recommended protocols for addressing the thyroid are the metabolic enhancement protocol and the detox protocol. I tried to do the dandelion before, but, wow, got the full on headache and felt absolutely horrid. Might try again on my upcoming vacation in August - but not if it eats up my whole time by feeling crappy.

I actually did some other alternative work on my thyroid and got enough results with that (the constipation is gone - yeah!!!), that I am going to wait it out a bit - in terms of going back on the pig drugs. I think I am in a safe enough space to be able to do that. And then I can read the book Living Well with Hypothyroidism and take it from there.

So there's my thyroid treatment plan! But I am still very open to suggestions along the way.

PS The other weird thing was that working on my thyroid helped my back - anyone know how that is related???

PPS I almost had to laugh when I read the link about the symptoms of hypothyroidism when I came to the one about digestion - how it is usually poor, but the person doesn't think so. It has taken me sooooo long to realize that when I start getting bloated up, it's all related to digestion - but has to be addressed on a thyroid level (digestive enzymes, probiotics, deflect, etc. just don't help).

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PS The other weird thing was that working on my thyroid helped my back - anyone know how that is related???



Isn't that strange?  True, though.  


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Sometimes when you get one illness, you seem to get others or have strange symptoms.........
I also thing that many illnesses are related or the same supplement can heal various things.
So what may help other hormoes may help thyroid.
Keep trying.  General detox surely must help everything!
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read her blogs on thyroid, hormones related to aches, too.


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Armour thyroid usp made from pig (porcine) thyroid.
I suggest you find other alternatives with your Dr.

Looks like pig thyroid is OK to use.
Interestingly, pig thyroid doesn't elicit the flocculation reaction in human serum that pig heart, brain or muscle tissue does.




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Thank you, Don, for the quote from Dr. D'Adamo.  I'm determined to keep using Westhroid (porcine) anyway, but now I feel very relieved to know it's okay coming from Peter's blood type research analysis.   Whew!  
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Maybe this thread has petered out, but I have more thoughts!!!

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http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archived/config.pl?read=132493
Interestingly, pig thyroid doesn't elicit the flocculation reaction in human serum that pig heart, brain or muscle tissue does.


So is it safe to infer that it's okay to take armour overall? Hmmm....

And, on another note, I keep running into literature that says spinach (which I eat all the time) is bad for the thyroid. Seeing as how I am not on medication anymore, I really need one of those nifty little books titled "Thyroid Disease: Fight It with the Blood Type Diet".  Wouldn't everyone else like that, too? There's my thought for the day.

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Go to post 65 where I originally posted the link/quote.

I also fixed the link in post 67.


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I have been reading about how coconut oil has had an amazing effect on thyroid patients. I see that coconut meat and milk are avoids for us O's, but I wonder whether the oil will be ok as those who have to avoid dairy can use ghee? Has anyone read thought about trying the oil?  
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I have been reading about how coconut oil has had an amazing effect on thyroid patients. I see that coconut meat and milk are avoids for us O's, but I wonder whether the oil will be ok as those who have to avoid dairy can use ghee? Has anyone read thought about trying the oil?  


coconut oil is an avoid for all except O nonnies. Good question tho.  



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Good reason to get my secretor status checked.
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Hi, I was wondering if a Copper deficiency could cause hyperthyroidism.  I've noticed that alot of food high is copper help me and when I supplemented w/ zinc which depletes copper and I got really ill.  I only tryed it because people said it was good for colds.  I also found that when I treat myself for mercury poisoning I feel better which is said to make copper and zinc unstable, I've heard.  Any truth to this?
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I was wondering if a Copper deficiency could cause hyperthyroidism.

From what I have read, Yes. http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm


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I've also heard that smoking depletes copper,  I smoke for 5 years in my teens.  
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Well I'll try eating more copper rich foods for a while and let's see if that helps.  Thanks for the link and the advice, I'm very greatful.
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From the link I posted above:
Quoted from Copper and Hyperthyroidism - Tobacco smoking
http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm
... the cadmium in tobacco smoke is a copper antagonist.  This results in low copper levels, and when combined with a high-zinc, meat-based diet, results in higher thyroid output, a higher rate of metabolism, and staying thinner. ...


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Seeing as how I am not on medication anymore, I really need one of those nifty little books titled "Thyroid Disease: Fight It with the Blood Type Diet".  Wouldn't everyone else like that, too? .


Yes, we would. Hows about one for candida too?  



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MoDon, I looked at the web site you quoted, started reading and hours later came up for air!     Thanks!
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if I'm reading this correctly, it looks like large amounts of Vit E interfere w/ thyroid function. I was looking into Vit E toxicity because my E is way up and I eat alot of almond butter and drink alot of almond milk. interesting, this info connecting to thyroid.




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I lost my thyroid function almost completely to acute thyroiditis, and over time tried hard to reduce my thyroid meds.  I went too far, and that was not smart.  Sometimes one's romantic ideas that "there must be a natural solution" (good in themselves since they encourage us to question and challenge) just don't fit the particular case.  Thyroid sets metabolism, not just fatigue and fat issues.  So among the fun things that can arise are low stomach acid (even for an O), digestive disorders, candida that is very persistent--as well as the other things you noted.  Excess bruising too, I believe.  Thyroids work better in the summer (not known yet why), but as the fall approached, I thought I needed to increase the dosage.  Bought a new thermometer and tried the underarm approach.  Too many 95.3 days, and I am now (with approval of my M.D.) upping the dosage a tad.  I expect I will cut back next summer.  The point of the story is that this can be a moving target, and take your own symptoms seriously.  (As we all know, too much of the stuff is not good either for the bones.)  Keep checking.  I use levoxyl for synthroid, and it seems to work fine.  
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I had a physical a few weeks ago and my PCP did regular bloodwork.  She didn't do a full thyroid panel but did do a TSH.  I was surprised to see that my TSH was a little higher than normal for me (which is unually almost undetectable on purpose because I had had thyroid cancer).  It was 1.34 and we like it below the .3.  I called my endocrinologist and he upped my levothroid a little.  We had already increased it slightly for the winter but I guess it wasn't enough.  
Other than that the bloodwork was pretty good....good cholesterol was 75!  Total was 212.  I haven't been exercising like I should be.  I got out of the habit when my dad was in the hospital and after he died there seemed to be something I had to do every single evening.  Ski season is fast approaching and I need to get busy.
I have an appointment with the endo in about a month and it will be interesting to see if the extra meds have got things back where they should be.
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Had my appointment with the endo yesterday.  I didn't have new bloodwork done and I told him that I've been feeling pretty good but know I've gained weight (I was surprised that it was only 3 pounds, feels like more) and that the carb cravings were really a problem.  He had some strategies to discuss and he's decided to up the percentage of compounded T3 that I'm getting.  He's of the belief that for some people, taking the thyroid meds on an empty stomach actually stimulates the carb cravings.  Interesting.  Other than getting on the scale, the whole appt. was just talking about different theories of what might work for me.  He's such a great guy.  Unfortunately he no longer takes insurance so I have to pay for the visit and I don't think I'll get reimbursed.  He's quite impressed with how so many of his current patients are so knowledgeable about nutrition and he's very open to listening....a rare bird.
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What an encouragement!
Lets' hope he can reduce his fee!!!!
But I think it is much better to go ahead & pay more & get a good dr. with understanding & good advice (who doesn't treat you like an idiot as so many do!).
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I'm so impressed and amazed at what info I find on this site.  I've discovered some things that may be of interest to someone.  I'm age 65, have been diagnosed with spinal osteoporosis and hypothyroidism with cholesterol number of 214.  I'm on Medicare and  have only a couple of choices of Dr's.  Since I'm Bs, calcium is easily assimilated and I honestly believe I have hyper-
parathyroidism because I've been encouraged to take extra calcium because of the density numbers the past 5 years.  This means having too much calcium in the blood causes the parathyroid glands to produce too much hormone which in turn pulls calcium from the bones.  The bone density scores in (199 were : Lumbar -1.69, spine -2.27, (2001): L -1.79, S -3.38, (2006): L -2.2 S. -3.8, which is not too far off for someone my age and ancestory.
I've been BTD compliant 95% for 10 years.  My Dr. tells me the reason for the high cholesterol is low thyroid.  He prescribed levothyrox a year ago, which I understand can cause bone loss.  I opted to use kelp and B vit.  At my recent Dr's appointment, he convinced me to start taking Evista for bone loss and the T4 synthetic thyroxine.  One hour after taking Evista, my hands and feet swelled and ached.  Evista is out.  I have all the classic symptoms of hypothyroidism.  I hate trying to doctor myself but following the BTD has kept me feeling best.  My TSH was 6.4 in Aug 06 but the Free TSH is 1.1.  My heart goes out to those who don't know better and follow to the slaughter.
My Dr. thinks I read too much.  I do read lots of different articles in mag and the internet.  However, the BTD has not failed me.  If anyone cares to respond, I'm willing to read.  Doris
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Doris,
welcome!)
get acquainted with the forum and all features
of this website.
If you go to the top of the page and click on
member centre (on the top right hand side of
this page) and get yourself a nice avatar
(located on the left) then we can all see what
blood type you are and you won't have to type it each time you post.
-if you want to add information below your avatar setting, such as Rh +/-, by going to the Profile Information section in the Member Center and typing in the Personal Message box.  You can also create a Signature of any other information you want to share that will go at the bottom of every message you post.
-You can also create a Signature of any other information you want to share that will go at the bottom of every message you post.


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Doris, I m glad to hear you ve taken responsibility over your health!
knowledge is power!

read through the health library series, perhaps you ll find the book you need, and follow the more targeted advice and food lists given.
also finding out your secretor status might be even better!

ask if you need help finding anything around the site.


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Hi Doris...and a warm welcome to btd.

I have thyroid probs too and have been taking Levothyrox since 1994 but certainly have never heard that it can cause bone loss. My bone density scans have always been fine, showing quite steady levels. I take calcuim supps too.

Now I'm not an expert but those Aug 06 thyroid results sound unbalanced...is not the TSH too high?? Is that why your GP was persuading you to take medication instead of Kelp+VitB??
Just be interested to know Doris.


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Doris, welcome to the forum.
Gotta say, kudos to you for having a handle on your health choices. 95% compliant for 10 yrs!!!  Wonderful.
I'm wondering if you would be willing to post all of your thyroid test results. Would be interested in what tests they did and how they came out. If the 2 tests are all they did, from what I understand, that is not enough. Will wait to see if you want to post.



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Doris,
The TSH results seem high to me.  Have you considered other thyroid preparations like Armor or Thyrolar which include T3, T2 etc?  
I've been fighting horrible cravings lately.  It's interesting that candida was mentioned as something that is related to hypothyroid.  I don't think I've specifically heard that before.
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Dear Fellow BTDers,
Yes, Italybound, I would be glad to share the numbers.  Since I wrote, I had the blood serum calcium test which showed 9.1 and 10.0 is high.  The TSH numbers are: 2004-6.60, 2005  (4/13) 7.14,  (11/1-2005 6.23.  (8/11) 2006 6.2 and most recent ( 11/27) 2006 6.4.  Several things are going on: my cholesterol was 287 last month yet the serum was clear, my bone density numbers have changed in five years but only a few hundreths in the spine and more in the hip bones yet the thyroid is high.  The Dr. has prescribed a nasal spray, made from salmon, for bone strengthening yet I read the side affects are possible nose bleeds, headaches and neck pain.  Levothyrox has been prescribed for the thyroid but again I hate to take meds.  Like someone wrote, the Drs don't like to prescribe Armour as it can't be regulated.  At least my Dr. is willing to listen to my requests and does read the material I take in.  Armour is not covered in my drug plan however.  I know Drs are necessary but they've misdiagnosed breast cancer and colon cancer on me and it makes me very nervous when anyone prescribes any meds.  They removed 4 colon polyps, which were not cancerous, in the past 2 years and found no lumps in my breasts.  I never take flu shots but always have elderberry which works for me.  I'm 5'8" and weigh 160.  I'd like to weigh less but can't seem to get to 150.  I've been lactose intolerant all my life and have birthed four children.  This may explain some of the bone loss (I did take supplements).  The Dr. doesn't seem to think the parathyroid glands are a problem since the recent calcium serum test was OK.  The high cholesterol and thyroid scores seem to be the biggest problems or are they???
I'm Rh+, Lola, and thank you for the directions.   I've taken the time to read all the sites writers have sent in.  The more compliant I stay (on BTD)the better I feel and I truly believe following these guidelines has kept me from serious illness.  I don't want to give up SCUBA but since my spine is in delicate condition I may need to.  The spine is in the high 3.8 level and 4.0 is in the red zone.  I walk, garden and do meditation.  I have CRFT, LRFT and reread and refer to them all the time.   I found Dr D's book when he first published in the 90's.  
My B side of the family (father) has had stroke problems so I'm especially conscious about any meds that have that side effect.  Evista is one.  My blood pressure is usually 120/78.  Thanks for reading this and thanks for your replies.  BTD works!!!! Doris
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Your TSH reading is high, indicating hypothyroidism and that can definitely work against any program for weight loss.  I'm sorry your plan does not cover Armour or Westhroid.  My sister (hypothyroid) takes Synthroid every day and keeps her weight down.  She has no problem with it.  I began on Synthroid after thyroid removal but was not able to lose weight until I changed to Westhroid.
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I use levoxyl for synthroid, and was wrong to try to wean myself off it (or at least way down a couple of years ago).  By the way, I believe all the natural forms (Armour) use pig tissue, probably not so great in itself, although maybe it is too tiny an amount to matter.  Never mind all the problems, but there is a level one really needs, and one can discover that the hard way.  Too much just revs up the metabolism too high, and the calcium breakdown is too high too.  Once the metabolism is in balance, weight loss as needed is easier, and one is not breaking down one's bones too quickly (in a nutshell).  
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Had my endocrinologist checkup yesterday and he's changing my whole program around.  Switching me from levothroid to levoxyl because levothroid has been reformulated and now has something in it he doesn't like.  Since I have virtually no thyroid (removed in 1996 with tiny thy cancer) it's optimal for my TSH to be almost undetectable.  It's considerably below 1 and I'm still having trouble losing weight.  Evidently wit such a low TSH. it affects your ability to break the T4 down into the other Ts, most notably T2.  So we're going to try a new strategy - lower the T4 (levoxyl) and increase the compounded thyroid extract by adding some extra T2 into it.  He's had one patient that had it make a remarkable difference - lots more energy, easier to lose weight, etc. It's his feeling that the percentage of those T3 and T2 in Armour is too high and then that will eventually cause the tissues to hold on to too much of the T4 (I think I'm getting this right - it was a lot to process and I wasn't having one of my best days, brainfogwise).  Anything that will give me more energy has got to be a positive.  I ER and still struggle....worth a try and we'll reevaluate in 3 months to make sure that the TSH hasn't jumped up.
Jane

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Had my endocrinologist checkup yesterday and he's changing my whole program around.  Switching me from levothroid to levoxyl because levothroid has been reformulated and now has something in it he doesn't like.  Since I have virtually no thyroid (removed in 1996 with tiny thy cancer) it's optimal for my TSH to be almost undetectable.  It's considerably below 1 and I'm still having trouble losing weight.  Evidently wit such a low TSH. it affects your ability to break the T4 down into the other Ts, most notably T2.  So we're going to try a new strategy - lower the T4 (levoxyl) and increase the compounded thyroid extract by adding some extra T2 into it.  He's had one patient that had it make a remarkable difference - lots more energy, easier to lose weight, etc. It's his feeling that the percentage of those T3 and T2 in Armour is too high and then that will eventually cause the tissues to hold on to too much of the T4 (I think I'm getting this right - it was a lot to process and I wasn't having one of my best days, brainfogwise).  Anything that will give me more energy has got to be a positive.  I ER and still struggle....worth a try and we'll reevaluate in 3 months to make sure that the TSH hasn't jumped up.
Jane


Jane, hi - was wondering if you had any further insights on this or if you'd tried whatever your doc recommended yet? How'd it go? Thanks.
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 My Dr. tells me the reason for the high cholesterol is low thyroid.



This goes along with my experience. I had normal cholesterol numbers and decades ago after a year of very little fat *at all*, lean protein if any - not much, and mostly raw veggies on a weight loss diet, I first tested with high cholesterol. Doc said I should consider cutting fat in my diet and I responded that there really wasn't any to speak of to cut. Years later, once diagnosed hypothyroid and on meds (thyroid supplement) for that, my cholesterol went right back down to normal. Later it crept up again though I'm still on thyroid meds.
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Still too early to tell.  It takes several weeks for the thyroid levels to change.  Can't say I feel remarkably better but that may be due to the fact that my back's been acting up and I haven't been exercising the way I should.  It's finally a little better and I did hit some golf balls (played 9 with several balls) on Saturday and didn't feel too bad - just a little tired.
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I have hypothyroidism, but I'm type A.  From what I've read, most of the people who've replied to this topic are type Os.  I wonder if hypothyroidism is more common in type Os.  

I'm also wondering whether certain treatments are more effective for type As than type Os or Bs or ABs.  Personally, I've tried kelp (some help), L-tyrosine supplements (no help), and Synthyroid (which threw my whole body off--I couldn't sleep).  I'm pretty new to the BTD, and I notice digestion especially is much better when I eat BTD foods.

So is there a type-specific treatment for hypothyroidism?
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I'm not quit sure if I have hypothyrodism but I think I do.  I am trying the basal body temperature reading that you do in the mornings to see if my temperature is low.  My temperature throughout the day has been around 97.3F orally, this seems low, is it?  I find that brazil nuts help me to feel better but I don't know if my symptoms are HT related.  Anyone try these?  
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http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?73
I would look for something beneficial instead to give me the same results.


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I think the reason they help is the high selenium, any alternatives?  I just checked my temperature 30 minutes after eating 10 brazil nuts and it is now 98.2F and I feel a lot more relaxed and calm which I haven't felt for a couple of days.  I know the negative affects will catch up though.  
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try 10 walnuts instead.


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Selenium is readily available as a supplement.


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I had read some information some time ago about environmental toxins and thyroid health, but couldn't find that reference so I googled it. (I think I originally saw it in mailings from some of the organizations I belong to who promote organics and are against pesticides.)

One site I found is exhaustive, covering many health problems:
http://tuberose.com/Environmental_Toxicity.html

(By the way they have lots of other info on the site,lots of it health related-- I did not look at that stuff and am not advocating it.)

I have copied the pertinent info below. I was interested to note that one substance mentioned (nitrosamines) was mentioned in another thread here regarding smoked foods; and PABA is a common ingredient in a variety of commercial products.

It is worth looking at for anyone who has thyroid issues or other issues that could be toxicity-related. As an Explorer I am on the lookout for such things.

Thyroid

The thyroid is not immune to environmental toxins, as many chemicals can cause a reduction of both T4 and T3. Thiocyanates, perchlorates, and pertechnetates are all competitive inhibitors of iodine transport in the thyroid, causing decreases in T4 and T3 and an increase in thyroid stimulating hormone TSH. Compounds which inhibit the thyroid peroxidase needed in the second step of thyroid hormone synthesis include:

* thiourea

* thiouracil

* PTU

* Carbimazole

* Aniline derivatives

* PABA

* Substituted phenols like resorcinol

* Phloroglucinol

Iodide and lithium block thyroid hormone release from the gland itself. Depressed levels of thyroid function have been correlated with exposures to lead, mercury, carbon disulfide, and PBBs. Lead workers, a heavily studied population, appear to suffer from a decrease in thyroid, secondary to problems with the hypothalamus (TRF). In Michigan, PBB-exposed persons showed non-goitrogenic thyroid dysfunction. Less well documented, but suggested to adversely affect the thyroid, are:

* organophosphates

* carbamates

* OCCs

* Fungicides

* Food coloring

* PCBs

Inducers of hepatic cytochrome P450 like Phenobarbital, benzodiazepines, calcium-channel blockers, steroids, retinoids, chlorinated hydrocarbons, and polyhalogenated biphenyls will (in addition to inducing P450) cause alteration in thyroid structure, leading to reduction in T4. Besides causing reduced functioning, some compounds will also cause thyroid cancer. Polycyclic hydrocarbons, nitrosamines, and other compounds are initiators of thyroid carcinogenesis. A common component of permanent hair dye preparations, 2,4-diaminoanisole sulfate (2,4-DAAS), when fed at high doses, caused a 58% incidence of thyroid neoplasms in male rats and 42% in females, compared with 7-8% in controls.
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My Chiropractor was the first to call me on my thyroid issues also. Not my OB/GYN go figure. But I love my Chiro.

Hypothyroidism is so much more than a weight issue. I think because we are all trying to focus on our health and how we are eating it's our focus but actually having this disease is not to be taken lightly. I've been taking meds for 20 years.  I have the added component of mine being hoshimotos which is an autoimmune thyroid disease.

I have stopped taking my meds before while I was pregnant with my first child and other times when I haven't had health insurance. There isn't a way for your thyroid to rebound without the meds it will grow in size and if left to long you will feel it against your larnyx. (Not good) Not to mention the propencity to bite peoples heads off Hormones are a crazy thing but we all need them to balance out our systems. TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) runs your metabolism and nervous system and I wish there was a way around it with something natural but the over the counter stuff isn't going to replace what your body needs. It's thyroid from other animals not of our genetic make up. I tried when I didn't have insurance and it just wasted my time and money. Not sure why they sell it.

Anyway my diatribe is over I just hate to see anyone go thru the struggles I did when I wasn't on medication it's always good to get it checked out if you suspect something is going on, frequent headaches finger nails peeling, dry hair, depression these were my first indicators.
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I NEED HELP!!!

I am a 25/f, Type O, and I started the ER diet three months ago. I had done it before, and it had done wonders with my health and energy, but bad habits caught up with me and I dropped the ball. This time I completely gave up all of the "avoids" and created a well balanced diet with the beneficial/neutral foods.  Before I started the diet, I was having problems with fatigue, and I figured the diet would help (like last time).

However, three months into it (with the addition of exercise) and I feel awful. I feel so fatigued/ sleepy all of the time. It's hard for me to fall asleep, but after I do, I get about 9-10 hours of sleep and wake up feeling like it's not enough. I got muscle cramps after even the mildest exercise (walking to school), and I get winded when I do simple things like climb stairs. I feel like I should be the picture of perfect health: perfect diet, exercise, and vitamin supplements, but I just feel like I'm getting worse!

I have been to my primary doctor and she did a number of tests, ruling out heart and lung issues. My blood tests were "normal", with my TSH (thyroid level) at 2.67, and my glucose at an abnormally high 106 (fasting levels!). My other symptoms (other than fatigue) are constipation, minor bleeding between periods, muscle cramps, and a low body temperature (around 97.5+/- usually). I have the temperament and symptoms of depression (sadness, irritability, crying, inability of focus or concentrate), but something has to be causing it and the other symptoms too. All of these seem like thyroid issues, but according to my doc, my TSH level of 2.67 is normal. And I can't get to an endo for more advanced thyroid function tests because they require a referral from a general practitioner.

With my diet and exercise, I feel like I should be doing so well. But something is wrong, and I can't figure it out. Could I still have a thyroid issue even if my TSH level was in the "normal" range? I'm going insane. I need energy to finish my school/degree!

Anyone with advice, please help. Thanks.
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A friend had to be tested several times. It seemed that her thyroid was an on and off again worker. She was told that they would have to catch it on a off period for it to show on test. If your tests keep coming out normal maybe you should have your magnesium checked. I've been hearing alot about magnesium. There is a real problem here in the US.  leg cramps, glucose control, depresson, fatigue. If you are taking calcium,zinc & /or iron you should take magnesium. There is a thread were someone gave the numbers to take of magnesium to calcium. Maybe they'll see this.


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Hi there

My name's Marta, I live in Poland. I'm 0+. I'm looking for help and I hope it's a right place to get some. Yesterday I visited my endocrinologist and I found out, that I'm hyperthyroidism. I have underweight (46 kg, 1,65 high). I miscarried 5 months ago. I'm 30 and I really want to have a baby, it's about time... My doctor prescribed my some medicaments to calm my thyroid. I'm affraid, because they have lots of side effects. Does anybody know any natural methods of treatment? Can the right eating (for blood type)be helpful? please help.

Another question, what is blood secretor? is it important? And how to check what genotyp I am (Explorer ect.)?

Thank you in advance    
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Marta,
Eating Right 4 Your Type will help your whole body function at its best.

The Blood Type Diet Encyclopedia suggests Metabolic Enhancement and Detoxification Protocols found here:  http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm

Secretor is whether your blood type information is found in your non-blood, body fluids, such as saliva and other digestive fluid, etc...  For a test, I would contact the EU distributor - http://www.right4eu.com

To determine Genotype, read "The Genotype Diet" book, and / or order the SWAMI software access code, do the measurements and determine your genotype from the tables in the book or have the software calculate it and provide your personal diet guidelines...

Much success in healing...


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it is important you read the book first

there are utube videos for support here as well


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I am hypothyroid, and I take Apex Energentics. I also have (had I think) adrenal fatigue. I have not lost weight on these supplements but now that I started the O diet I have begun to lose weight quickly (yay!). The supplements did give me back a ton of energy and my hair stopped falling out. I was on 6 pills daily of each of these: Thyraxis PT, Thyro CNV, and Opticrine, but because they were making me sweat excessively, the Dr brought me down to 4 pills a day. I'm still sweating like crazy (its so embarrassing but I am loving the energy...I hardly used to sweat before). I had my control blood test last week and in ten days I get to find out if I can stop taking these or if I can lower them to 2 pills a day. I can't wait to see my blood work. I was also anemic, and was pretty dehydrated from working out so much (this was another test they did which also told me my body fat %, etc. I actually have lower fat % than my skinny husband, even though when I had the test I had recently gained 20 lbs, I dunno if that's an O thing or a Hunter thing, the low body fat %).
But anyhow, these are called compounds I think, as opposed to Armour (natural dessicated thyroid) and straight up meds like Levothyroxine. Thyraxis PT has per each pill 100 mg of bovine thyroid and 75 mg of porcine pituitary.

My thyroid got really bad when I took an antibiotic and got on birth control for a temporary acne condition...I was so exhausted I literally felt like I had to drag myself around...it was horrible. After stopping the BC and getting on these three supplements, within 30 days I was a different person. I also got back on a really good liquid multivitamin with resveratrol, and started taking a strong probiotic (15 billion) and fish oil capsules (which I now switched to straight up liquid flax seed oil).

Anyhow, these were my thyroid levels at the time I got put on these pills:

TSH 1.4
Free T3 2.6 (ideal is 3.2-5.0)
Free T4 1.17 (ideal is 1.5-2.0)


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I also wanted to add the importance of getting blood work done for a thyroid condition by an ND before trying out supplements...I know some family members of mine have asked me what I am on and I have told them to get tested first. Just because someone is overweight doesn't mean they have a thyroid condition.
I tried supplementing with whatever I could get my hands on before being properly diagnosed (I had been tested twice before by regular MDs and they said I was within normal range, therefore fine). I tried kelp capsules, coconut oil, magnesium, chromium, anything and everything I thought would give me energy and/or help me stop the weight gain. The kelp capsules almost made me faint. Once I made myself a turmeric mask (with a little bit of lemon juice, this was for the acne I mentioned above) and as I started rubbing it in my face I almost fainted as well...it brought my blood pressure down tremendously (I already have it pretty low to begin with). I am a clear example of someone who reads things (especially on those bi-weekly mags for women, lol) and goes out and tries them. Selenium also made me sick, since I did see someone posting about brazil nuts (the nuts themselves didn't do anything, just the selenium supplement).


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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Jesi,
you ll be very pleased with your gt diet results!


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I am beyond ecstatic. In ten days I've lost at least 4-5 lbs. My husband is shocked...he wants to know his genotype asap!


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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wonderful!!
get him started, your journey will be more fun!
keep up the compliance!


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I see there hasn't been a post in a year...  But here is my question.

I've been taking thyroid medication for about 30 years:  synthroid, Armour, and levothyroid with cytomel when Armour was unavailable.  Now back to Armour

I've been following the BYD for about 2 weeks now, and I'm curious as to whether I should add kelp, seaweeds, and iodized salt.

I had read somewhere that I should not use iodized salt if I am on the medication.  Does anyone know?

Thanks,
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http://thyroid.about.com/blinterviews.htm

Here is a link that you might like to look into, Nadira. Very informative! Lots of questions answered.


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