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greenfields
Thursday, July 6, 2006, 3:46am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have hypothyroidism and was on Armour thyroid for about a year and it was working for me, in terms of fatigue and (together with this diet) weight loss. I lost 20 lbs. in one year. I went off the medication (under a ND's care) because I really didn't know much about Armour thyroid and don't like the idea of being on medication.

Over time and with the help of supplements recommended by the ND, my morning fatigue has drastically reduced, but I am no longer losing weight. I have 15 - 20 more lbs. to lose. I am wondering:
1. What does anyone know about Armour thyroid and the effects of being on it over time? and
2. Are there any alternatives to being on medication that anyone knows about?

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Armour thyroid usp made from pig (porcine) thyroid.
I suggest you find other alternatives with your Dr.


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Is this other 20# what you want to lose, or is to get back to a 'proper' weight?


From the PDR, Armour Thyroid should not be taken to lose weight - if your current therapy is working, don't restart the Armour...


Generic Huperizine A (brands are: Memorall (PharmAssure) or Huperzine Rx-Brain (Nature's Plus) is a plant-based form 'Thyroid Glandular' from Chinese Club Moss {Huperzia serrata - Huperziaceae}.


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If you're hypothyroid you really need the medication to get your metabolism to work normally.  You need to revisit your Dr., have your levels tested and get back on the meds if you need them.  There are several different kinds/brands and sometimes it takes a few tries to get it right.  
I'm hypothyroid and I take Levoxyl and Cytomel (love this stuff) and if I ever went off them I'd fall asleep driving my car and gain thirty pounds in a month.  


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Does it help to take kelp/iodine if you are already on thyroid medication?  Is there even any way to get off the meds.  I would think so. (If one can get off insulin, I suppose they could get off this!) So many folks are on thyroid meds nowadays, that its almost scary.
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I guess if your thyroid begins to function properly you can get off the meds.  My meds have been reduced 4 times now since I've been BTD'ing.  I have another test Saturday and hopefully another reduction in meds next week.  


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I m sure you will eventually get to that point you want to be Karen!
keep up the good work!


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Armour and Westhroid have been prescribed decades longer than Synthroid.  I agree with mikendomsmum's comments since you are hypothyroid.
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Yeah, it's not just the weight, it's the other symptoms (like constipation, dry skin and hair, etc.) that are creeping back bit by bit. I guess the good news is that I'm not gaining any weight like before (I gained 35 lbs. in one year before I got diagnosed - thanks in part to those Dr's who wouldn't listen to me as I kept saying, "I'm eating healthy food, but I keep gaining weight.")

It's so hard to know what's best. I'm usually of the mind that there has to be a natural solution, but this one has been tough on me. My ND did prescribe iodine and vitamin E and I am able to get out of bed better and better each day.

But what are the other solutions???

And is there something particularly bad about pig hormones (armour thyroid) besides the fact that pork is an avoid?
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I went to Dr. Rod (chiro) Monday on an acute basis (too much "aggressive gardening" this Sunday).  He said "Have you ever thought of going to an endocrinologist about the weight?"  Uh, YES.  And I did mean to mention to my new regular doc that I would like to get my thyroid function tested, so I will mention that in six months when I go back for her to check on the weight.  I said in response to Dr. Rod, well, let me give the whole smaller-portions-more-frequently thing time to work and then we'll see about the endocrine stuff.  He said, well, it seems to me that you eat right and it seems to me that you exercise (! based on that I was in there as a mangled, twisted up shell of my former self from doing a marathon yard work spree *lol*) and it seems to me that you really try hard to get the weight off and I think if they could get the endocrine system in balance--if it isn't--you could turn into a fat-burning machine.

Well, Dr. Rod, I don't know if I'd go THAT far.  I mean, "fat-burning machine"?  Not seeing it happening.  But I would like to be able to lose weight like a normal person.  I think I might have hypothyroid because of the weight and because in recent years it seems my normal temperature runs low (96.8 instead of 98.6).  How weird is THAT?  I used to have a normal temperature!

ANYWAY, I'm scared to find out, truth be told, as say they say, yep, guess what?  You are hypothyroid.  I'm guessing the next words out of their mouths will be that I need to take synthetic thyroid hormone, or ANY thyroid hormone.  Taking any sort of hormone scares the wits out of me because I have a healthy respect for hormones.  I think they are the most powerful forces in the universe *lol*!  And, in the immortal words of the bygone margarine ad:  "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!"  I've had a LOT of experiences with western medicine in which the "cure" is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY, way, way worse than the disease.  I just feel like maybe I should leave fat enough alone, so to speak.  I'd rather be fat and fairly healthy than thin and somehow wacking out or stressing my system with an added hormone.

So, I definitely understand you wanting to go off the thing, although on the other hand, if one's natural hormone balance is NOT in balance at all but OUT of balance, isn't it a good thing to artificially balance it?  It could be the simple key to SO much for me:  weight loss (can I get an OH YEAH BABE?), perhaps more energy, a better outlook/optimism, etc.

I don't know what to tell you.  Jane from this board knows a lot more about thyroid issues than your average pup.  Jane?  Are you there?  Help us out here.


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Yeah, it's not just the weight, it's the other symptoms (like constipation, dry skin and hair, etc.) that are creeping back bit by bit. I guess the good news is that I'm not gaining any weight like before (I gained 35 lbs. in one year before I got diagnosed - thanks in part to those Dr's who wouldn't listen to me as I kept saying, "I'm eating healthy food, but I keep gaining weight.")

It's so hard to know what's best. I'm usually of the mind that there has to be a natural solution, but this one has been tough on me. My ND did prescribe iodine and vitamin E and I am able to get out of bed better and better each day.

But what are the other solutions???

And is there something particularly bad about pig hormones (armour thyroid) besides the fact that pork is an avoid?


I had a difficult time being diagnosed also.  My OB/gyn was my primary care doc and she told me that all the symptoms I had were normal after having a second child.  My symptoms included, gaining a lot of the weight I'd just lost from childbirth (on a 800-1200 calorie per day diet), falling asleep while driving my oldest son to school (I drove off the road onto the shoulder twice with 2 children in the car), feeling that my head weighed 90 pounds (I could hardly hold it up), knowing I "just wasn't right".  I finally went to a sports doctor, who I visited because my joints became so sore, he recognised the symptoms immediately and did a blood draw right there.  I've since switched docs several times because they think that the levoxyl should take care of all my symptoms and I shouldn't have any complaints, ever, about the way I just "didn't feel right" and continued weight gain despite reduced calorie dieting.  I like my doc now, she's hypothyroid too.    

I don't think there's anything particularly bad about replacing a very important hormone if you need it to have a good quality of life.  After all, it may be temporary.


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P.T. I've been on thyroid meds for quite a while and if you have trouble losing the weight even with thyroid meds (or without, for that matter) ask your doc to let you try some cytomel.  It's worked wonders for me.  I always had symptoms (weight/metabolism) even with the levoxyl until I started the cytomel.


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PT: What about good old kelp (iodine source) to help? How about chromium & a general balance of all the needed minerals.
My old chiro gives 'nutritional counseling'.  I'm sure he would have an answer.
Since I'm probably 'persona non grata' with him after challenging him on that insurance issue, I can't ask!  But I bet any naturopath, naprapath, or nutrtionally oriented doctor worth their sea salt could give you some answers!
I can't believe that there aren't answers to the thyroid/weight issue.
Maybe you could go to your health food store & ask if they know anyone who got help for thyroid.  There are answers out there!!!!!!
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I can't believe that there aren't answers to the thyroid/weight issue.


Yeah, where's our nice little paperback book written by Dr. D on Hypothyroidism (or at least "Hormones")!? More info would be helpful for sure! Like, when I was just rereading this and someone mentioned joint pain and then I read something else where someone else connected back pain to it - I've had both since being off the meds. Would be nice to know if it was related.

And can anyone tell me more about these?

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Generic Huperizine A (brands are: Memorall (PharmAssure) or Huperzine Rx-Brain (Nature's Plus) is a plant-based form 'Thyroid Glandular' from Chinese Club Moss {Huperzia serrata - Huperziaceae}.


PT - I'd say get checked - you don't have to take the drugs, but at least you will have more information. For me, it was very validating that I wasn't doing something wrong or missing something. And you really do become a "fat burning machine" when balanced. I could go crazy with the spelt and other neutrals and not gain weight!!!

And, alas, the remaining 15-20 lbs. someone asked about would get me to a very reasonable weight. I'm still a bit overweight according to the BMI ("marginally overweight" according to the generous one that I like).  
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check Jean s thyroid threads........eye opening indeed!!


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PT - I'd say get checked


and don't wait another 6 mths. If it were me, I'd make another appt or at least call to see if you could just have a blood draw to check it out. Also, if your adrenals glands are not functioning properly, eating fruit, as I hear it, will cause you to continue to gain weight or not be able to lose.



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and don't wait another 6 mths. If it were me, I'd make another appt or at least call to see if you could just have a blood draw to check it out. Also, if your adrenals glands are not functioning properly, eating fruit, as I hear it, will cause you to continue to gain weight or not be able to lose.

Pat, one thing I can say definitively in life:  fruit is not my problem.

That's about all I know for sure.  



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PT, just curious if you've checked the symptoms for adrenal fatigue.



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About adrenal needs--I have taken larger doses of pantothenic acid (B5) for years as I seem to need 250 mg daily if I eat pretty well & a lot more if I don't.  I have been taking less lately as I found a bigger dose (500) & take it every few days or so.
Adrenals are connected with various types of stress.  The RDA for panto is only 10 which is absolutely ridiculous!  Try more of panto & see what happens.

Also take kelp.  It is sooo cheap & good for you.  I also heard it is good for when you are in the sun too much (or was it radiation). Since you live in Florida, you probably are!  Even in Chicago, I take it.
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Hey Peppermint:

I was always wondering if you had thyroid issues.  The fact that it takes you years to lose a few pounds and minutes to put those pounds on makes me wonder.  The doctor I saw suggested that thyroid was typically an O concern and adrenals were more of an A issue.


You should take your temperature underneath your arm first thing in the morning 2 days before your period is set to begin and 2 days into your period.  This will give you an accurate reading.

If you have PMS symptoms, it could be a signal that thyroid function is not optimal.
It is not good for your heart or cholesteral to wait a long time to see if your thyroid hormones are not at a good level.  

Check your resting pulse to see how low it is.  That was the biggest clue for my doctor.  Second clue was the kinky electrocardiogram.  My heart was shooting similar to an athlete, but with an irregular "stall".  He said it was consistent with a long history of lack of thyroid (specifically T3).
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Also sleep apnea is connected to thyroid issues.



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Is the Cytomel a natural supplement or a prescription drug??


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Cytomel is a prescription synthetic T3 thyroid hormone product.


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Thanks Don.


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So I finally got to reading Jean's web log and, hmmm.... it makes me want to go back on meds! I guess I need to do more research on Armour and the effects of it over time, and I kinda suck at research. (See how I had to wait for Lola to find the thyroid reference right here on this very site?)

I feel like there must be another alternative. I just I wish I knew what it was. I don't want to start the meds again only to find out I only needed to snap my heels together three times. The iodine and vitamin E my ND prescribed just aren't cutting it yet. I did do some kinesiology and got that I need more of my B vitamins, cortiguard, and bromelain. So I ordered them. I will give those a try before going back to meds. I think.







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