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Elizabeth1528
Tuesday, July 4, 2006, 5:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Since starting the diet about 3 weeks ago, with a relaxed attitude (on the road for a month with kids, trying to avoid avoids and eat mostly in the neutral and bene sections), I have noticed that my hands and feet have been cramping, my eyelids twitching, and my calves cramping at night.

Hands and feet cramp especially when swimming (I have to stop swimming) or any other time of day. It takes about 5-10 minutes for it to stop and they "twitch" for a while afterwards.

Calves cramp when sleeping.

Eyelids twitching after rubbing eyes or closing them tightly.

I have also started on the "patch" birth control in the same timeframe. I've been lightly bleeding for 2 of the 3 weeks.

Any ideas??

Thanks,
Elizabeth

Also, my sister is interested in the diet (A+) and does not have a gall bladder (had gall stones but did not fit gall bladder disease profile-she is very fit and doesn't eat lots of fried foods) and is allergic to penicillin and it's derivatives.  Would this affect (effect?) what she eats?

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Hands and feet cramp especially when swimming (I have to stop swimming) or any other time of day.  It takes about 5-10 minutes for it to stop and they "twitch" for a while afterwards.

Calves cramp when sleeping.


I used to think that my cramping was due to a shortage of Magnesium
and would take Magnesium to control how frequently I got cramps. I still take some magensium.

However, I was told that Potassium was more of an issue.

So to lessen the frequency of cramps I try to be sure that I consume foods high in potassium.

Here are some food sources of potassium:

dates, figs, bananas, dried fruit, prune juice, nectarine, kiwi

walnuts  

spinach, sweet potatoe, tomatoe paste, carrot juice,  lotus stems, avocados, broccoli

cow peas, lentils, mung beans, kidney, pinto, black

some diary products

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http://www.petitegeek.org/potassium-and-leg-cramps.htm says that a shortage of sodium, magensium, potassion, or calcium can cause leg cramps.

also make sure you drink enough fluids.


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Your sister should just start with the standard type A BTD.


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The cramping sounds like the lack of potassium or /and lack of water.  The twitching of the eyes has me concerned, I wonder if it can be connected to the patch, I would call and report both to the doctor who perscribed it to you just to be safe.  Birth Control is known to cause strokes, so please don't wait.
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Elizabeth1528
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I drink a lot of fluids, mostly water and pineapple juice.   I was eating 1-2 bananas a day but since I've been on the road I have slakened.  

I take magnesium and calcium from a supplement called Ionic Fizz.  How much should I be taking of each (mag + potassium)?

I will be seeing my family physician as soon as I get home.
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I take magnesium and calcium from a supplement called Ionic Fizz.  How much should I be taking of each (mag + potassium)?


Enough to eliminate the cramping (not very helpful--I know)

The RDA of Calcium 1000mg, Magnesium 400mg, Potassium 3500 mg, and sodium 500 mg.

These numbers do not work for me. I think that it is matter of finding the appropriate balance between Calcium and Magnesium and between sodium and potassium. This seems to vary from person to person. For instance I find I need 2.5 times as much magnesium as calcium (backwards from US FDA).

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In regard to Ionic Fizz--they make a varient with mageium and no calcium (Called Ionic Fizz Magnesium plus). Ionic Fizz Calcium Plus Contains 250mg Calcium and 300mg magnesium per serving.

The stayleaner website says:

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If you suffer from ... cramps, muscle tics or twitches, ... you should use three servings per day of Ionic Fizz Magnesium Plus for 30 to 60 days to replenish cellular magnesium levels. Because calcium inhibits magnesium absorption, overcoming magnesium deficiency while using calcium supplements is difficult
After this initial 30 to 60 day period, you can switch to Ionic Fizz Calcium Plus


http://www.stayleaner.com/ionic-fizz-magnesium.html


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Hello Elizabeth,

Cramps can be real painful.

I started getting them in the middle of the night and this was when I also started the diet. My doctor says I need more Calcium. I think it also could be the body is adjusting and dumping toxins into the body. But I am not an expert.

I take a vitamin and mineral supplement offered on the 4BTD store and now I have no muscle cramps. Might be worth looking into.


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I have that problem on occasion as well.  For me, it is when I indulge in ice cream.  I know, I know.  It is an avoid.  I do it once a month or so.  Can't help myself.  But like clockwork, about midnight there I go for the magnesium.  Unless, I remember to take the magnesium before I go to bed.....now I keep it by my bed, so I don't have to go down in the middle of the night.  So often I forget to take it even on a daily basis.  So now I have no excuse!  Are you eating too much dairy?


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sodium, magensium, potassium, or calcium - these are all electrolytes. I'm wondering if you should happen to be low in all of these or most of them, that you are lacking in whatever you need to absorb these minerals/elements.
Also, it's best to take your vitamins at night when your body is resting and doing it's repair work. There was recent discussion about taking calcium apart from magnesium as they compete for absorption. Unless you're taking a plant based calcium such as Phytocal or ClearCal from NAP.
I believe your potassium:sodium ratio should be at least 3:1 respectively. Not sure on the cal/mag.

Great website re: potassium
http://www.hghmagazine.com/archives/potassium.html

My NP told me that postassium moves from serum to intercell, I believe he put it, during your sleeping hours to do it's repair work and then back to serum during your awake hours

A little info on electrolytes.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question565.htm

I scanned over this website, looked useful:
http://www.acu-cell.com/acn.html



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Lots of great info.  I'm in NY now, Long Island to be exact, and I get to go to a new Whole Foods store tomorrow (without the kids, so I can read labels...yippee!) I can't wait!  I have a very small health food store by my house in Florida (the only one for 20 MILES) and they are surprisingly well supplied and will order anything I need.

I will try the ionic fizz mag, as I love the ionic fizz calcium.  

I am, like i said earlier, casually on this diet and working slowly towards compliance.  I might be eating too much dairy, but I know I am eating much less than when I started on this diet several weeks ago (ice cold skim milk was a favorite, now eating carob rice milk with puffed kamat cereal instead).

I have given up the patch as I was constantly(third week and counting), lightly, bleeding.  My Gyn said that research has shown that the patch actually has a lot more estrogen than previously reported.  We'll see how the cramps do in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks all!
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In the summer I take deep water aerobics in the outdoor dive pool and the winter regular water aerobics in the shallow end.  I used to cramp up near the end of the hour.  Now I dont because I eat a banana before class and have a bottle of water sitting by the edge of the pool to sip all during class.


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