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trish44
Monday, July 3, 2006, 12:17pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Last evening I got bitten by an insect.  Did not see what it was.  I was outdoors a bit, and indoors doing some cleaning for a while.  I had a low top on and have three bites, on my breast.  There are small bumps, and don't think they are mosquito bites, I know how they feel.  I think these are from a spider.  What is the best to do?  I put peroxide on and then an iodine ointment.  I am worried about brown recluse, as we have them here.  Any suggestions?  I am going to look for an antihistamine right now.....


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If I remember rightly a Brown Recluse bite will make festering hole that won't heal over and they are not felt initialy for even up to several days - and in reality the chances of actually getting bit by one is rare, you almost have to force it to bite you (ie: its in a shirt you putting on)...Also, until recently most "Recluse" bites were misdiagnosed (as there was no specific test for Recluse Venom) and probably were a Hobo Spider bite.

For Brown Recluse the protocol is an ice pack, Aloe Vera Gel, and medical treatment.
The former use of Dapsone is now cautioned against.
http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic547.htm

many kinds of spiders bite though, and are generally more irritating than other insects.


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trish, I have to sort of agree w/ Schluggell on the fact that BR have to be "forced" to bite you, as my daughter and g'daughter lived in a house infested w/ them for too long. They were never bitten, thank goodness.  On the other hand, I know a guy who was bitten on his face 5 times in his sleep by a brown recluse, so he was told.
However, from my understanding a Hobo bite is as dangerous as a BR bite.
My DH was bitten by something, not sure what, but it didnt look good. I used a Sunrider tea bag for 20 minutes on it and all was well the next day. I wonder if any tea bag would work or if there are specifice medicinal properties in the SR tea bag. The gal that sold them to me for drinking, did specifically mention using them for insect/spider bites.
I'm wondering if tobacco would be good in an instance like this, as it's good for insect stings, I believe.  I'm sure someone will come along to either yay or nix either of these ideas.  



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lavender oil has helped......


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Quoted from lola
lavender oil has helped......


As I've shared before on the Forum: Lavender oil has been shown to actually  de-activate a number of insect venoms, as well as its immediate soothing of itching. Give it a try!


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Thank you, I will give the oil a try.  By the way, what is SR tea?  It is itching, but I am not scratching.  There are three little red spots, each about the size of an eraser.


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.  By the way, what is SR tea?.


Sunrider Tea.  I'm sure it would be easier and faster to get your hands on some lavender oil, tho.   I don't drink it anymore (not sure if it's BTD compliant and as Sunrider products aren't cheap, I'm not "wasting" my money on an unsure thing), but I wouldn't mind having some around for bites.



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If indeed it is venomous there are many chemical types - depending on what it actually is many different things could be tried. Also is there any spots in the eraser size bumps, or a hole or stinger, or do they ooze? Any rash?

Usually an antidote is right at hand if you know where the bite actually happened, and you think clearly enough to try it - but enough of 'shamanism'...

Fern spores, the juice from Docks or Comfrey, some cases its even to use more of the poison (not recommended for self use or by the 'unitiated').

As the Recluse venom is different from other venoms - just goes to show that not much is known, and many treatments are iffy at best for this.

But it does sound to me that you were bit by a non-venomous critter. For all intents you could have even been bit by fleas.


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For all intents you could have even been bit by fleas.


True. My DH was bitten probably at least 6 times by something early to mid spring. We were never sure where he was when bitten. As he was outside alot, we are "guessing" it was something outside. He wouldn't notice it until morning which made us wonder if he was being bitten at night. We even checked for bed bugs. Nothing. We just kept an eye on the bites. Weird thing, which did worry me quite a bit, w/ every bite, the area of swelling got worse. The last, or one of the last, bite/s produced a prob 3" x 6" area. We still don't know from what/where those bites came.



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The only over the counter non-herbal medicine I ever use is Benedryl.  When I get stung or bitten I swell up and my temperature drops.  It is the only thing that helps me.

If you think the bite is from a venomous insect, then go to the emergency room.  When I went to grad school in Colorado one of my classmates lost his finger because of a bite from a brown recluse spider.  He was reaching under his dresser when he got bite.


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I have gotten several spider bites in my life, mostly hobo, I think.  

Benedryl (dye-free) is my drug of choice for the immediate fix.

I have taken lots of dark green supplements (barley grass powder, chlorella) and fresh wheat grass juice for blood cleaning.  Also glutathione, milk thistle and bupleurum for liver detox.  

One danger from spider bites, or other insect bites and stings, is staph infection.  I like to keep Coptis (Plum Flower brand, from the health foods store) on hand because it is a natural anti-biotic, and actually works amazingly well.

Schluggell mentioned Yellow dock.  I also like to use it for stings and bites, externally.  If you pick a leaf, chew it up well, and put the pulp on the bite/sting.  It works well in the beginning.  I don't know about the effectiveness as time passes.



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It is looking much better this morning, and the lavender oil did seem to help.. Still little red spots, but smaller, and no fluid.  Yes, it is true what the early pioneers said that everything in Texas either stings or bites!  Thanks all....


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That's great news, Trish.  
While lying in bed last night, I remembered a bout my daughter had with multiple spider bites when she was young.  She was getting bit every night behind her knees, and it took us days to find the spider, which was hiding under her mattress and coming out at night!
Anyway, what I finally stumbled upon in desperation, which worked well to shrink and heal her bites was a poultice made from golden seal, myrrh and slippery elm powders.  I added just enough liquid to make a paste and kept this paste on the bites morning and night.  It was amazingly effective.



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I am going to write that one down.  And check under my mattress.  This one I think went down my top from me walking into it, or shaking out some bedding.  Sneaky little devils!


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