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Oonu
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I hope I'm posting in the right section.

I am just entering slooooowwly into menopause and I've noticed a dramatic decrease in libido, has anyone else experienced this?  
If so what have you done, or what are you doing to help or prevent this from happening.
Also the forgetfulness, tiredness and feeling a bit crazed sometimes...
I did go to the Dr. last week and had a full physical and everything came back perfect.  I'm not sure what else I can do, so I'm hoping someone has a suggestions as I'm getting to the end of my rope.

Thank you for any suggestions!

Cheers!
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Oh, welcome to the wonderful world of menopause. Decreased libido is definitely a side effect. Or a direct effect as the case may be.
I found that poor adrenals contribute a lot to this. Bloodwork will show if your adrenals are weak, IF the person who is looking at them knows how to read for that. I take adrenal medicine and my pills are referred to as my sex pills.  They do help.  Do they make me overcome w/ desire? No. But at least things are better than they were before I started taking them.  
I use Pantothenic acid and a raw adrenal concentrate. I am NOT, however,  advising you to use these products without your doctor's consent. This is just what I use and they work well. Hope someone else has some better info and I'm sure they will.



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a compound chemist might be able to prepare your personal estrogen cream.

with the results of your hormone panel test.

they re called bio-identical hormones ( less aggressive than the chemical HRT)


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Look it up in the Blood Type Encyclopedia and, one at a time, experiment with the prescriptions in the A protocol.


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wonderful world of menopsy's .....you are joking...I guess
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the new book of the health series on meno. just came out!

can t wait to read it.


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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
wonderful world of menopsy's .....you are joking...I guess


Oh yes, Isa, I was definitely joking. There is nothing wonderful about it save the fact that you don't have periods anymore.




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Yeah, the libido...where did it go? I tried taking maca but the kind I was taking had a gum in it so I stopped. Also I developed a slightly tender breast....(estrogen?) otherwise it worked well...libido somewhat increased and sleep enhanced...Jayney-0

I thought: well estrogen isn't good for you so.......any feedback?
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Jayney, It's a very individual matter.  Maca is a very good herb if it's right for your body, but if you are already estrogen dominate, you may be pushed over the top.  On the other hand, if your estrogen is way too low, Maca could be just what you need.  What's working for one, may not work for another.



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Hi oonu,
That happens to me too, I'm getting into menopause very slowly as well. My gynaecologist recommend me capsules of oenothera biennis oil. Although it's an oil recommended for PMS it has worked wonders for me, so ask your doctor if it would be fine for you.
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what is LIBIDO??????
something to read..to eat.. or just forrr fun

sorry gals dont' know what this is and our beloved maischdda wrote it down in LR4YT.. that AB's tend to get harpies ..... I can work lots... I can do whatsoever...... but I cant' stand for any kind of touchings... :p ...................................anymorrre  and it's written down in the Riso's books that the 5-ers' have mostly such weird things.....hi-hi-hiiiiiiii a good thing to enhance the men's frustl      because we are sooooo intelectual that even in this area....yup here I must agree... cant' stop to anal yze
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Quoted from gemmaspain
capsules of oenothera biennis oil.


where would one find this?
gemmaspain, I just googled for this oil and it is evening primrose oil, which is an avoid for O's. Just thought I'd pass that along





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Have your doctor do an estrogen, progesterone and testosterone panel via saliva.  If they cannot do that get blood tests 1x per week for the duration of your cycle.  (1x per week for 4 weeks).  

Lack of testosterone is the killer in libido.  If you are high in estrogen and low in testosterone and progesterone, your drive could be lacking.  Your doctor can prescribe the right combination of bio identical hormones in creams or sublinguals.
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would your OB do that or your regular doctor?



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It could be either, but the important thing is to find a doctor that you like and who is willing to work with you in the way that you want without insisting that things be done his/her way.  Hormones are a delicate issue and need to be dealt with very carefully.  As Jeanb said, there are bioidentical hormones that are so much better for the body.  And you need a doc who will test you before giving you hormones.  A lot of docs imbalance our bodies much worse by prescribing without knowing what kind of hormone levels we already have.

There are different ways of testing, and also different opinions about what is best.  I had both the blood panel and the saliva test, and they gave very different readings.  The Obgyn Dr. did the blood test, and the N.D. gave the saliva test.  A different N.D. in town prefers the urine test for hormones, so I don't know actually.  I think I trust the saliva more than blood, but hopefully others will chime in here with some educated perspectives.



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Quoted from Victoria
hopefully others will chime in here with some educated perspectives.


Hopefully so, because that's pretty many different ways in which to test. I am going to a new dr next mth that knows that BTD and I think even eats on it. The gal (Ginger) that gave me her name just loves her. Ginger's mom even knows and eats on the BTD. I need to give HER  a call, as there are not many BTD'ers in this neck of the woods.



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One thing I know is that Progesterone levels have to be checked by saliva, because the blood test doesn't work for that one.  Naturopaths generally prefer the saliva test, and only one Naturopath I've known, preferred the urine test.  
So I think if you have to get the saliva test anyway to check Prog. level, you may as well have all the hormones checked as well.  Great Smoky Mountains Labs does the test and it's not usually covered by insurance.  



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 so why not taking at once a good dosage of  DHEA...so far all hormons might be balanced or boosted , what are here the contraindications for a salivatest? I think about of the intake of hormonal related meds.....  
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Hi Isa,  

If a person is already high in one of the hormones, say, Estrogen for example.  Wouldn't DHEA cause that hormone to continue to rise, and make a worse imbalance?



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I saw that mostly DHEA acts onto the hormons which are slow at this case and no interaction onto hormons which are at their best....  but if there's a estrogen overload... so yup must agree there might be something happening  and yes mostly is DHEA taken for loosing weight, because it decreases enormously fats... I saw this now with a friend of mine...she is only the half of the weight she had before...made now some 1,5 years and she looks like a boy...... very thinny and a little harder in her face...all fats were gone.....
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Tomatilla,
Who are you, and what have you done with our Isa??    !!



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I have just started reading a book by Leslie Kenton called "Passage to Power" which is a fascinating in depth read on how our hormones affect us, and what may help to balance our hormones naturally, and she also sees menopause as a positive stage in women's lives - a period of re-evaluation of who you really are, leading to greater personal freedom and power.

Even though I am not quite at the peri-menopause stage (I hope) this book is very helpful for me too.

It should be easily available from Amazon, according to her website. http://www.lesliekenton.com

There's also a book listed called "Ten Steps to a Natural Menopause" which may be worth a look.

It seems that natural progesterone is safe and effective for a variety of symptoms. Not sure about the libido specifically. I'll try and remember to have a look.


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dear Victoria... as I am often I took de preference another namer more fitting to a red-royal head and as I told  Yaman.... that he might trhew the tomatoes...I prefer the rotten ones... after me if...... trallala... so far I voted insted of princes tomatilla for Tomatilla I.
and I-M. is tooooo long and becomes after a while very boooooring

the next shortest name is Tmta
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Oh, well......ok, Isa.  Just so you're still YOU, I don't care what you are called!  

Tomatilla.  I like that.  It sounds like you.



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Has anyone tried progesterone cream for this issue?  Especially if estrogen dominance is a problem.  I think a hormone test would be best...but I found progesterone cream made Randy emerge, if you know what I mean....I started Vitex/chasteberry, which tended to balance all this out for me (and since it has a progesterone effect, apparently, that would explain it--see Vitex/chasteberry thread under SUPP RIGHT).


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Quoted from Victoria

One thing I know is that Progesterone levels have to be checked by saliva, because the blood test doesn't work for that one.  Naturopaths generally prefer the saliva test, and only one Naturopath I've known, preferred the urine test.  
So I think if you have to get the saliva test anyway to check Prog. level, you may as well have all the hormones checked as well.  Great Smoky Mountains Labs does the test and it's not usually covered by insurance.


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Has anyone tried progesterone cream for this issue?  Especially if estrogen dominance is a problem.  I think a hormone test would be best...but I found progesterone cream made Randy emerge, if you know what I mean.


Yes, progesterone!  Fortunately, it's one of the less-tricky hormones.  In fact, it's not even really a "female" hormone -- it's a precursor (raw material) to most of the male hormones as well as other female hormones and even some non-sex-related ones (such as from the adrenal cortex, I think).

It's generally considered quite safe to use in normal amounts (even if it turns out that you really didn't need it), so you can either get the test done first (see Victoria's quote above) or you can just buy a tube of natural progesterone cream at the health-food store and see if it helps -- but be sure to give it several months, since it's sort of a cumulative effect.

Please note that the "progesterone" that most doctors prescribe is not the same as what your body makes.  It's a similar molecule, but sufficiently different to be much stronger and to cause side effects.  The natural progesterone cream that's sold in health-food stores, even though it has been synthesized from soybeans, is the same identical molecule that your body makes.

The original brand, which I use, is called Pro-Gest, but there are other good brands out there as well.  Just be sure to read the label or the package insert, to get the proper usage directions for your particular phase of life (child-bearing, pre-menopause, or post-menopause).

This wonderful elixer brought me from back from being a near-invalid.




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Had been using wild yam cream (progesterone support) on and off for years. I'm glad if it doesn't hurt if not needed as not sure which hormones out of bal. Waiting on blood test done yesterday to check levels of whatever. The yam cream sorted out hot flushes I had years ago. Really hopeless at taking on some days of cycle & stopping (as label says) so I either use every day for months, or not at all!
Don't think it made any diff to libido (haven't seen that for years....)
I am 48 and still monthly cycling. Stopped minipill (20+ yrs of use) mid last year so probably stuffed things well and proper a long time back. So many body issues are inter-related e.g. borderline low thryoid/hormone imbal/bad circulation/unfit & overweight/oversensitive skin & liver gradually clogging up. Too many years of doing what we thought was sortof healthy, but not btd! Guess it will take years to win back lost ground, but it's all good info here on the forum to help that.

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After years of using the various transdermal creams from the HFS, I switched to vit E based Prog. because I got tired of rubbing chemicals from the creams into my skin.  I would never use cosmetic skin care products that contain the stuff they make those Progesterone creams with, so why do they expect us to not care what they put in the hormone creams.. ??

Here's a link to one source for Ray Peat's Progesterone in pure Vit E oil.  It is most effective rubbed on the gums or inside the lips.  It is able to bypass the liver and the digestive process and is absorbed right into the blood. It's many times more concentrated than the cream, so you may need only one to 5 drops once a day.

Remember:  Use it in cycles just like your normal cycle works.  Not meant for daily uninterrupted use.

You can web shop for different prices and specials, and most offer free shipping on orders totaling $75 or more.  You shouldn't have to pay more than $21 to $25 per bottle.

http://www.vitaminexpress.com/prodinfo/KNprogst.htm



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One word of caution about progesterone use.  Because it is so readily available without prescription, it's possible to over-use it.  It is stored in the fat of the body, and builds up.  Sometimes women will notice a tremendous improvement when they begin to use it, and believe that if a little is good, then more is better.  After a few months, they may begin to have less energy, and tend toward depression, and there are some other symptoms which I can't remember.  It is a kind and wonderful hormone, but if it is out of balance, it can disrupt the overall hormone balance.  
I recommend getting hormone levels checked.  If you haven't started on hormone supplementation, even bioidentical ones, it's good to find out where you are starting from and then get re-tested about once a year to make sure you are on track.

Remember Progesterone does not test well with blood work.  It needs saliva testing.



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Has anyone seen it yet???  !!


I have it.  I especially like the very positive way it treats Menopause.  As I read it, he really discourages even the bioidentical hormones unless absolutely necessary.  I had intended to ask about them, but decided against it.   I think sleep problems were my biggest perimenopause symptom and with BTD and some behavioral approaches that is under control.  I may be having the mildest of hot flashes, but not enough to warrant hormones.  I also have no libido, but consider that a plus right now so don't want to fix it.  I was pleased that my doctor also discourages any drug therapy for menopause, but his main concern was cost (about a dollar a day).  I didn't even ask what he would have prescribed.


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Carmen -- Wild yam cream is promoted as a progesterone supplement, but (unless they add progesterone) it does not actually contain any.  Apparently it stimulates some people's bodies to produce more, but in other people it has no such effect.  I've always used the actual progesterone cream.

Victoria -- the E-oil with progesterone sounds interesting.  I'm doing fine on the cream, but will definitely keep that in mind.

One reason that any progesterone supplement can "stop working" after a while is that one's receptors (the places where the body actually absorbs the stuff) get bored or something and stop taking it in.  I had read conflicting advice regarding whether that monthly break was really necessary, and used progesterone straight through without a break for a couple of years.  Believe me, that little "vacation" makes a huge difference!  (At least, it did for me.)  So yes, be sure to discontinue using any progesterone for a few days each month.

Also, as I mentioned, do give the progesterone a few months to build up in your tissues before you decide that you're not using enough.  A little too much is not likely to cause problems, but it's a waste of money.  And my nutritionist says that 'way too much of anything tends to cause the same symptoms as not nearly enough of it.  So proceed with a reasonable amount of caution, but don't worry yourself sick either.


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Progesterone also feeds candida, so one can end up "taking a break" without planning in order to balance a candida problem--and learn a lot along the way.  Yes, there is a lot still there in the tissue, and as I lost weight, I still felt both hormones were kicking in.  Am planning to test (saliva) now that candida is under control, and go from there.  (Using tiny amount on skin rough spots, but not anywhere near a recommended dose.)  Also think 2 weeks out of the month likely to be better than three.  What do I worry about? It seems to me that when my hormones fluctuate, I get more of those little red spots (cherry or senile hemangiomas).  Anyone else notice that?  Also, fyi, sarsaparilla can up the testosterone--but not necessarily related to libido.  
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Cheryl,
I can't wait to get a copy of the book.  One thing about peri-menopause is that it ends.  
Genuine menopause is a different puppy altogether!  My peri lasted for a decade, or so it seemed. All herbs and flax and efa's and a little progesterone cream took care of everything until a couple of years after my last period.  Then I began to have different symptoms than I was able to manage.  I'm still using only the most minimal of assistance from hormones.  3 drops of Progest/vit E. oil 2 x week on my gums, and vit E. oil/estriol on another delicate body area, also
2 x week.
In another month or so, it will be a year since my last hormone saliva test, and I'll see how I'm doing with that.



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Also think 2 weeks out of the month likely to be better than three.
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It seems to me that when my hormones fluctuate, I get more of those little red spots (cherry or senile hemangiomas).  Anyone else notice that?


I use the progesterone cream all but 3-to-7 days per month, but I'm post-menopausal.  The recommendations depend on what stage of life you're at.  Then of course, there's what works for you.

I had never heard them called hemangiomas, and I'm not sure what I would correlate them with, but I have gotten some lately, along with a whole bunch of extra-teeny little brown moles, all on my lower chest and abdomen, mostly on the right side.  Here's what the hemangiomas look like, in case anyone else never heard of them:
http://www.celibre.com/cherrymoreinfo.aspx


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Huh!--didn't know that's what they were called, or that they were associated with aging.  My mom called them strawberry spots, or strawberry moles.  When my best friend noticed one when we were still in our 20s, he was thinking about but scared to go to the dermatologist, thinking it was cancerous! Thanks for the dermatology lesson!

I used progesterone cream (from the HFS, NOT wild yam) for a while but stopped because I hadn't had a hormone test and was having symptoms mimicking estrogen dominance--which can sometimes happen when one is first taking it, and will go away, but I didn't know that then.  I just didn't wait it out.  It was clearly working, though. My libido rocketed at the start. I decided I would switch to Vitex for a while and that was all I need--but I'm 37, and not sure I'm actually perimenopausal.  Vitex has been very effective for me, but I expect I'll use progesterone at some point down the road.


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I just read, sorry I don't recall where, that Vitamin C can help increase libido. I'm post-menopausal, according to the blood work(3 months to go to get to the 1 year mark of no periods ). I've up my vitamin C intake, and yep, it may be helping.

In additon to any creams or vitamins, don't forget to be relaxed! A busy mind is a sure "desire-dampener"! Sometimes a nice hand or foot rub from your sweetie does the trick. Maybe because it makes you feel loved!!


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I've up my vitamin C intake, and yep, it may be helping.


How much are you taking a day?


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Sometimes a nice hand or foot rub from your sweetie does the trick. Maybe because it makes you feel loved!! :K


Well, THIS is so funny. You must have one heck of a guy. Most guys give it 2 rubs and want to know if that's enough.          Think I'll try that once.  



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Cheryl,
I can't wait to get a copy of the book.  One thing about peri-menopause is that it ends.  
Genuine menopause is a different puppy altogether!  My peri lasted for a decade, or so it seemed. All herbs and flax and efa's and a little progesterone cream took care of everything until a couple of years after my last period.  Then I began to have different symptoms than I was able to manage.  I'm still using only the most minimal of assistance from hormones.  3 drops of Progest/vit E. oil 2 x week on my gums, and vit E. oil/estriol on another delicate body area, also
2 x week.
In another month or so, it will be a year since my last hormone saliva test, and I'll see how I'm doing with that.


Thanks for the warning.  I keep wondering if I'm out of the woods, but sounds like I have a long way to go.  I know that not all women have the severe menopause symptoms.  My mother and grandmother did, but they both had complete hysterectomies which I think makes the situation worse.  I never even had my tubes tied.  I've heard that can even have an impact.


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I never even had my tubes tied.  I've heard that can even have an impact.


I've heard the same thing -- the ovaries catch on that nobody's paying any attention to them, and figure why bother doing all this work?  They may start to shut down long before full menopause.  At least, that's what I've heard, and it makes sense to me.

I had not expected to have any great problems with menopause, since I've been eating whole foods for years and years -- but it hit me like a ton of bricks!  Wish I could hop in my time machine and not have my tubes tied, and see whether that helps....


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Thanks for the warning.  I keep wondering if I'm out of the woods, but sounds like I have a long way to go.  I know that not all women have the severe menopause symptoms.  My mother and grandmother did, but they both had complete hysterectomies which I think makes the situation worse.  I never even had my tubes tied.  I've heard that can even have an impact.


I don't mean to give the idea that you are bound to have a horrible time.  It's just that when I hit full-blown menopause, the symptoms changed, and I found it more complicated trying to find balance with all the tried and true natural techniques.  It was just different, and I had to dig up my mind and open it.    (You know, open the mind that is so sure it is always in command).  I had to be willing to change my approach and try different things.  I always was so sure I would never even consider hormones, but I think they aren't necessarily poison.  We just need to get educated and respond very carefully to each stage.  Conscious health care for women in transitions is not a very well established practice and those of us "coming of age" now, are in a sense, the guinea pigs.



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Same here, Victoria.  When I noticed that I'd been a puddle on the couch for the better part of a week, I decided that something had to change.  That's when I finally broke down and got the progesterone cream.


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I'm pre-menopausal and have gotten some of my libido back by taking the orthocyclen.  I've had almost no side effects from it, only benefits like clearer skin and better sleep.  I would never have taken the Pill had I not read about it in a book called Screaming to Be Heard by Elizabeth Lee Vliet, MD.  She has written a book specifically about ovarian health called It's My Ovaries Stupid.  Both books also discuss bioidentical hormones.  She has a clinic in Tucson and a website if you'd like more information  http://www.herplace.com  She has recently written a book about testosterone which might also interest you.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....s=books&v=glance

I love Dr. Vliet's work.  It has been life changing for me.  Years before I read her books I used progesterone cream---  it never worked for me.  My skin, moods, sleep and overall health have been better on the Pill, which I know sounds strange but nevertheless is true.  Estrogen moderates 400 physiological functions in the body.  It is necessary to replace it at midlife; why wouldn't it be?      Menopausal problems are caused primarily by decline in ovarian hormone production.  (not adrenal stress as another poster suggested)

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Elizabeth Lee Vliet, MD has written a book specifically about ovarian health called It's My Ovaries Stupid.  


I heard about this book and even bought it. Guess I should finish reading it. I was really put off by the title (I mean really, did she NEED to use the "stupid" word, like that makes the book better??????????  but bought it anyway at the urging of a friend.


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Menopausal problems are caused primarily by decline in ovarian hormone production.  (not adrenal stress as another poster suggested)


While your comment is true, having stressed and weak adrenals, which most of us do, contributes to hormonal problems. An excerpt from the following article states: .
4) Adrenal Weakness - Estrogen production is not just a function of the ovaries. The adrenals are one of the body's secondary sources for estrogen and other hormones. My theory is that as the ovaries slow down their estrogen production, the adrenals are still there to maintain some hormone levels. But many, if not most, people have so exhausted their adrenals with overextended lifestyles and incorrect handling of stress. Adrenal weakness usually shows up in our testing on clients with menopausal problems.

http://www.pacifichealthcenter.com/updates/31.asp

It also mentions:

2. Problem Foods - Menopausal symptoms are typically aggravated by dairy products, refined sugar, caffeine (including chocolate) and meat.  (For some blood types, of course, the meat issue will be a bigger problem than others. Equipro's thread on not eating SO much meat but treating it more as a  side dish made a lot of sense)


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From my limited understanding as well, I think that part of the problem with meat is the way it's raised.Quality is important.


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I'm pre-menopausal and have gotten some of my libido back by taking the orthocyclen.  I've had almost no side effects from it, only benefits like clearer skin and better sleep.  I would never have taken the Pill had I not read about it in a book called Screaming to Be Heard by Elizabeth Lee Vliet, MD.  She has written a book specifically about ovarian health called It's My Ovaries Stupid.  Both books also discuss bioidentical hormones.  She has a clinic in Tucson and a website if you'd like more information  http://www.herplace.com  She has recently written a book about testosterone which might also interest you.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ.....s=books&v=glance

I love Dr. Vliet's work.  It has been life changing for me.  Years before I read her books I used progesterone cream---  it never worked for me.  My skin, moods, sleep and overall health have been better on the Pill, which I know sounds strange but nevertheless is true.  Estrogen moderates 400 physiological functions in the body.  It is necessary to replace it at midlife; why wouldn't it be?      Menopausal problems are caused primarily by decline in ovarian hormone production.  (not adrenal stress as another poster suggested)


I read one of Dr. Vliet's books, and I am quite confused.  All the wholistic doctors in my area seem to support Dr. Lee's beliefs that estrogen is dangerous and can really contibute to cancer.  I know Dr. Vliet takes the opposite perspective.  She appears to have a lot of scientific support, but so do the doctors who claim estrogen to have the opposite effects that she claims.  People seem to be very polarized on this issue, and, like I said before......I'm confused.





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All the wholistic doctors in my area seem to support Dr. Lee's beliefs that estrogen is dangerous and can really contibute to cancer.  I know Dr. Vliet takes the opposite perspective.  She appears to have a lot of scientific support, but so do the doctors who claim estrogen to have the opposite effects that she claims.  People seem to be very polarized on this issue, and, like I said before......I'm confused.


Me too. My NP guy gave me progesterone but either I didn't give it enough time or it wasn't the answer. Maybe I didn't give it enough time, as I tried to do things on my own w/ natural products for 2 mths after my total hysterectomy, and  by the time I got the progesterone, I wanted relief....NOW!!  I didn't get it. I went to Climara..  It works like a dream. It's a bio-identical hormone patch from soy, so I'm hoping it's ok.




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So, Italy, it sounds like you were already sufficient in Progesterone, and needed estrogen.  I don't think it's a "one size fits all" with hormones, any more than with food.  It's very individual.

I thought I would cut through the confusion and guesswork last year and I got a BLOOD test to find my testosterone and estrogen.  It showed my estrodial was low,  and my testosterone was in the low normal range.  

Then I took the SALIVA test the same month, and it showed my testosterone was slightly elevated, my progesterone was in the high normal range and my estrodial was slightly high.

So I'm even more puzzled!



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Victoria...do you think that this is a good idea= new year, new appartamento, new old car .... and new man
for a better and increase of such *libido*....

ok...I'll give a try thanks for your support

but I'll stay away from getting him into my new-old flat don't want that he might think he could stay more than for some hours  

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So, Italy, it sounds like you were already sufficient in Progesterone, and needed estrogen.  I don't think it's a "one size fits all" with hormones, any more than with food.  It's very individual.

I thought I would cut through the confusion and guesswork last year and I got a BLOOD test to find my testosterone and estrogen.  It showed my estrodial was low,  and my testosterone was in the low normal range.  

Then I took the SALIVA test the same month, and it showed my testosterone was slightly elevated, my progesterone was in the high normal range and my estrodial was slightly high.

So I'm even more puzzled!


I don't know that I was sufficient w/ progesterone, I just think I didn't give it enough time to work. Then again maybe I was okay in the progesterone area, I just really don't know. My NP is really against estrogen replacement and as he's been right in some many things so far, maybe I should have given it more time. However, as it had been 2 mths of no sleep, weeping, mood swings, HOT FLASHES, etc, etc, I was jez a bit impatient for some relief.

I believe I just had my testosterone and estrogen checked in my last bloodwork, so will have to dig that out and check it. Where would you get a saliva test for these things?

Here's one for the guys..............we women and our hormones are a little hard to figure out. .   Bet I won't get a lot of guys disagreeing w/ that comment, huh?  




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Italy,
Where I live, only Naturopaths do the saliva tests.  MD's only do the blood tests.  

This may not be relevant now, but for those moods, weeping, etc.:

Motherwort is calming for menopausal women... also helps with hot flashes.  Just avoid during period if still having them.  It can temporarily increase flow.

Vitex is great for hormonally based mood swings....menopausal as well as pms.

Black Cohosh is good for hot flashes, and is also said to increase bone density with regular use.  Good to take a break after each bottle, for a few weeks.

I'm thinking of posting another thread to the attention of any ND's, scientists, nurses, etc. to see if we can figure out how to actually read our hormone levels if the blood test and saliva test differ so much.  Not today, though.  I'll wait a bit and see if anyone who knows, will pick up this query and give us an answer.



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Victoria...do you think that this is a good idea= new year, new appartamento, new old car .... and new man
for a better and increase of such *libido*....

ok...I'll give a try thanks for your support

but I'll stay away from getting him into my new-old flat don't want that he might think he could stay more than for some hours  


1.  new year:  You have that.
2.  new/old car:  You have that.
3.  new apartment:  Do you have one yet??
4.  new man:  !!!    Do you have one of these, yet??



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Victoria,
Were your blood and saliva tests done at the same time of the month? Might that effect it?


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3. yyyyyyyeeeeessssss..... in 2 days I'll have the key.....  

4. noooooooooooooooooooo because of    I think until now no need ...huh
but I asked for your opignion...if this might fit or be well to increase whatsoever  
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Victoria,
Were your blood and saliva tests done at the same time of the month? Might that effect it?


That's a good question.  The tests were done two weeks apart.  I wonder if it matters with someone who had not had monthly periods in a couple of years.



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3. yyyyyyyeeeeessssss..... in 2 days I'll have the key.....  

4. noooooooooooooooooooo because of    I think until now no need ...huh
but I asked for your opignion...if this might fit or be well to increase whatsoever  


Great about your new apartment, Isa!!  Keep talking to us as you transition your life.  A lot of changes are in the air!  

New things are exciting, and may certainly increase your libido!  I agree with JayneyO.   New excitements are only temporary because soon they aren't new anymore.

HOWEVER, if your lack of libido is because you haven't been happy in your circumstances.  Then this may be the change you need to get on a new and healthy track and enjoy life again, with all that life brings your way.  

Be happy   Blessings on your move.    



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Gals,

I like this thread very much but..... why don't most of you state your AGE in your profile???? Cheryl, Jayney, Italybound and I are open about this  

Why don't you state your age ladies??? Something to hide????  

And talking about libido, no problems whatsoever with that so far
More problems in the male department...

However, after my emotional hectic year in which I divorced and I am quite happy with myself at the moment. I must not think of it, having a guy 'around'   now..
Too busy sorting out my own life, in which I am successful I think..
with lots of support, fun, sharing and caring around here!!!

Just my 2 cents in this awesome thread!!

Cocky soooo looking forward to her Samos holiday with the BTD-gang!!


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Cocky,
Are you still around?  Would you happen to know the best way to get hormone levels tested?  And why there is such a discrepancy between the scores of blood test vs. saliva test?
And one N.D. in town prefers urine tests for hormones.
What do you think?



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Victoria..... Victoria...... just get Vega-tested ...just right on the track and sure as lab's work
and thanks for your opinion

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Victoria,

About this testing of levels. I had it done some years ago, but my MD told me that testing is a momentary situation.. A day later situation can be different.
My levels were okay. And if you consider testing,  it must be repeated after a while, to be able to compare levels..

I really do not know if saliva or urine testing is better.
Perhaps Isa can shed her light.


BTW how old are you Victoria???  

I think that emotional support by partners play an important role in these hormonal levels as well.
I take FEMbalance every day and that during more than 1 year.. I feel great!
Although I had my last period in september 2005. Hhhmmm.. so I think I must be about perimenopausal, but.... no irritating symptoms like hot flashes, no waking up at night.. No way, I sleep more than 8 hours and like a baby...
I do assume I am an exception perhaps?? Or maybe I am not as yet in menopause..  I did and do experience emotional upheavals now andthen,that I fight with St. Johns Wort... This is more due to my divorce I think..
Friends of mine are in menopause for more than 8 years already.. They are terribly 'irritated' by my good, sound sleep and absence of hot flashes.. I tell them it is the Diet that makes adjusts my body to allegedly menopausal symptoms!!!   Better!!

I must admit that since on the diet as from 1999 (I was then 45) my periods came back with monthly frequency and were heavier than ever before!
But now since 1 year I am really very irregular..
But with FEMbalance this Femme is in Balance!!!

Take care and stay balanced!!

Cocky not terribly bothered by menopause yet!!

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I did ask my ND about hormone testing, and her response was, that she could tell what needed treatment by my symptoms, not from the results of a test.

Like Cocky said, a test, any lab test, really, is just a snapshot of that day and like bloodwork, it is really the trends visible over time that is valuable.

...Just my two cents on the subject.  

And for Cocky... I am 44 years old   and  experiencing the other side of the libido issue, as many women do in their 40's.    Although, I am not complaining, but it can be a little bothersome at times...  


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ok cocky, I am 58, and have not had a period for about 3 years actually.  I don't put my age out there generally because I find that there is some age related prejudices in the world, and I am really about 45 in terms of health and mind.

Anyway, back to the hormones.  I did not really have any problems that herbs could not handle until I had been more than 2 years past my periods.  Then things got confusing.  On a fulll-body level, not just isolated symptoms such as hot flashes, moods, etc.  I just suddenly felt that my body had changed and I didn't feel at home in it anymore.



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Victoria,

It was not at all my goal to put labels on people, only in this matter of menopause age can make a difference.

When I had my third baby I had some hormonal problems. I was then 35 years old.
My MD told me then I might have entered menopause already
The look I gave him then,   never made him make any suggestion in that direction again....

I think I am lucky up till now regarding menopause..
I just want to stress that  hormons are subject to nutrition, emotional support, stress, relational problems.. Too many to mention.
Herbs can alleviate the symptoms.
Well I am 52 for a month now, and do not know what the coming years will be like.
My mom did suffer from hot flashes at a certain age at night. Menopausal problems can be 'inherited' I am told..
I do not know. I think we have to 'live' it..  

take care and stay 'cool'  
Cocky


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Cocky,
I hope you continue to have a Great Change!  
My mother said hers was a piece of cake!  My grandmother, on the other hand, took to her bed, and declared that her life was over, and she would never get out of bed again!!   Fortunately that didn't last long.

You're right, of course about all the factors affecting how our bodies adapt to it.  I think I'm doing pretty good on all those fronts.  Just taking it a day at a time.  Most days are great, some are challenging and a few are downright tough.

Thanks for your reply.



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Victoria,

I do try live by the day.. Live in the now. And when I experience a terrible off-day I think of it as being on the bottom, no worse day is possible, so the  next day must be better..
And this works.. The next day the sun shines again..

Try not to be 'overwhelmed' by your sadness, unease, irritations or whatever.
What I do is going out, walking, biking, and I always feel so much better when coming home again.. Contact with nature makes me feel so good, so at home.

Try to focus on things outside of yourself, talk to others and exchange feelings..
This always prevents me from 'drowning' in my own feelings...

Well, just my 2 cents..

Cocky, always going out when the sun shines



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At this point in my 'pause, my problems with it are physical, and not emotional.

Not much of any trouble to speak of with hot flashes.  I take chinese herbs for cooling, plus vitex and black cohosh.

I don't have problems with depression or weeping.

I just have sleep disturbances low energy and aching joints.  I've been sharing about my shoulder problems on another thread, but just in general, my body doesn't feel as comfortable as it used to.  I was a yoga teacher for over 20 years, and I still have a flexible body and normal weight, but I don't feel that awesome sense of wellness I had before the 'pause.  

Of course, sometimes I forget that I went through chemo and radiation 3 yr. ago, and I'm still recovering from that.  Most of my struggles may relate more to that than change of life.

It's two steps forward and one step back.  (But I'm grateful for the steady gains!)



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The Cockepelli is becoming very wise  good statement
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infp goes to ENTJ = bravooooooo with love and real respect to you...truly yours amiga

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Cocky,
I got up this morning and read your words of wisdom again.  This time, I read them with an open mind instead of an uptight and anxious overwhelmed mind.

And, you know what???

This time it sunk in.  Thanks for the light on the path girlfriend!  



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Forget ageism...with us boomers, old is cool...60 is the new 40.So at 58 I am hoping to find my libido again (for my husband's sake....if nothing else) but other than that my Pause is going okay...more importantly i am very young inside....I think the kids at the high school I teach at keep me in a younger frame of mind....Jayney-0

ps. To be honest, I've had sleep issues for many years that you could attribute to the pause...OR, to my way of eating, because they are gone now.....!

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Quoted from jayney-O
...60 is the new 40.....!


I like that!!




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Quoted from jayney-O
Forget ageism...with us boomers, old is cool...60 is the new 40.So at 58 I am hoping to find my libido again (for my husband's sake....if nothing else) but other than that my Pause is going okay...more importantly i am very young inside....I think the kids at the high school I teach at keep me in a younger frame of mind....Jayney-0


You are right!!!   I am 52 but I feel like 30!!!
My libido is okay.. but no guy around...
No problem for me, most important fact: I feel great, have loads of energy, eat right and sleep like a baby, and ... I have you gals (and guys!) around to talk with, to share joy, grief and care!!
I am not alone, I feel all-one.... better!!
Will post another poem Who am I..

See you 'guys'!!!
luv'ya all

Cocky

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FYI
  53 years old.  
  Hysterectomy in 1998
  Started HRT about a year later
  Found out about the BTD in April of 2004 and started on my journey
  Lost some weight
  December 2005 found out I was a nonnie
  Fine tuned my eating and lost a few more pounds
  Happy at the weight I am
  Happy with the energy levels I have
  Jan 05 took myself off HRT to see what would happen/did not want to be ingesting      them.
  Hot flashes started coming back
  Fall of 2006 (while taking care of my sick father) had saliva tests done.  
  MD agreed to write the prescription for the bioidenticals once the results were in.
  He did say there was not much testing on the side affects of the bio identicals so to         keep that in mind when taking them.  
  Have been on the bio identicals since last fall
  Hot flashes are gone.  
  I agree with Cockey that the tests will just show where you are at the time and you should consider checking levels from time to time.  
 I thought it was interesting that Dr D does not recommend the bio identicals either.  He must have said why in his new book.  
  I tired fem balance but it did not work for me. Nor did increased Magnessium.  
 
   That is my 2 cents worth.  
 


Beouemom sounds like bay way mom and I think Colorado is a great place to live.  
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Dr D does not recommend the bio identicals either.


where did he give his opinion on bio identicals?

and what exactly did he say?  


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    "I have it.  I especially like the very positive way it treats Menopause.  As I read it, he really discourages even the bioidentical hormones unless absolutely necessary.  I had intended to ask about them, but decided against it."  
 
  This is the quote from Cheryl-O-Blogger.
    So I miss quoted her and what she said about what she read in his newest book.   Discourages them and not recommend them are two different things.  I feel is was a last resort for me but like it says not to just jump for them if you are not sure that is what one really needs.  
   She posted it in this thread when someone asked if anyone had read his latest book.  


Beouemom sounds like bay way mom and I think Colorado is a great place to live.  
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palim...palim... thatwhy I wrote about my 12-year-experiences no need to take care about anybody.... anymore
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Quoted from lola
where did he give his opinion on bio identicals?and what exactly did he say?  


??????  Seemed like the last comment was on something a woman said. Would like to know what Dr. D said and why. Thanks




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I am not seeing something here and have to tell you about it!!!!!  I also was on Progesterone, which was quite literally a life saver for me at the age of 35.  Instead of allowing an anti-depressent to be introduced to my body, I chose the natural way to deal with severe PMS and Depression.  (Thanks to my sister's previous dealings and research it was easy for me to discover what I needed).  

Anyway, NATURAL PROGESTERONE, and I mean Natural...not the Progestin, which is synthetic, can be made at a compound pharmacy in Wisconsin.  Your gynocologist can call in the perscription for you, they mail it directly to your home on a monthly basis.  More information can be found at http://www.womenshealth.com  if you are interested in knowing more.  Also, let me suggest some reading.....  unmasking PMS byJoseph Martorano, MD and Maureen Morgan for anyone here that has more of a PMS/Depression issue.

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So glad I happened upon this thread....
I found the references to tied tubes and hormonal change interesting, and thought I'd be a good little cavewoman and put my 2 cents in:
I had my tubes tied when I was 21 coz I knew I never wanted children  (human kids, anyway) and (have never regretted it for an instant) and have had what would be considered a normal "period life" for 30 years since. I'm 51 and still having them, tho lighter & less on-time. This is going to sound silly, but I actually enjoy and treasure the cramps as they're hardly there anymore. They make me feel like my feet go into the ground, rooted, you might say.
Hot flashes  for about 10 years, now, usually minor, tho when they started they were MAJOR and I believe from exhausted adrenals at the time.
My mother was finished with perimenopause by time she was 50, but I guess I still have some waiting.
I've been bothered by dry eyes more & more(whimper, they used to be my best feature ), and have had a lot of insomnia the past couple of years. What's freaking me out is that monthly super-craving for rare steak and chocolate is fading!! That I find unsettling.  Not that I don't still love steak, but the wall-crawling, wild craving of it like clockwork is now weaker....it's spooky.
I guess that was more than 2 cents....
I'm so glad I have all of you to help me learn on this adventure. Being the oldest of a big pile of kids, I always wanted a big sister to learn from! You girls fit the bill nicely, and I treasure you for it!.


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sounds like pretty normal menopause to me, Suzanna!  



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That Carey quote- what a riot And I thought I liked to stick MY feet in my mouth!!!


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Quoted from osuzanna
That Carey quote- what a riot And I thought I liked to stick MY feet in my mouth!!!


I'm happy it gave you a smile.  There are more to come!



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hey Im only 24 soon to be 25 but have gone about a year with out a libido. this is probably the wrong place to post but I dont know where else. I suppose its the hypothyroidism and Iron anemia, but Im finally getting my thyroid and iron levels near normal and no libido is in sight. Before the hypothyroidism my libido was unstoppable and now nothing. I had mentioned this to my doctor but she had suggested lack of libido was from stress (a year ago or less) but now I am wondering that I may have a hormonal imbalance should I call her? I probably will call her tomarrow but just wondering what your ideas are. It really sucks because I had just gotten a boyfriend while being diagnosed with hypothyroid and so he has not been in a sexual relationship with me without my libido problem, good thing he is pateint and has known me since high school as a very good friend. We have been going out for almost a year and he is so understanding, but I would really like my old self back, the lack of any hornyness is unerving to say the least. Sorry if this is too much info. just curious.
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hi dearle Jamie B,,whats' your type??? In Risos' or Keirsey's or  Briggs-Myers
Did ha had a looky-looky on this too and whats' your expectancies of a friendship with a boy?
Some NF's or NT's have problems with  *letting go* into such thingies, means more prone to mental
issues than to share whatsoever called sexuality .... or even said felt overwhelmed by such situations, better to go then doing such experiences...pppppfffttt......where's that bloody tomatoe righ now??? Her B-part made her go ......
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I'm in the same place, although my sex drive hasn't lessened per se, it has become very irratic.

One thing that I am doing is going back on The Pill.  Some of this has to do with the other symptoms, but mostly this is to regulate my cycles, which have become a nightmare.  I'm going on Seasonale, btw, hopefully this weekend.

I have several friends who use progesterone cream with great success.  That's probably what I would do with a decrease in sexual desire.

I'm getting tested for adrenal fatigue, which my Dr. strongly felt that I had.  I was going to try this suppliment first because of the price....any thoughts?  I hate to buy something expensive and not find that it helps (like the $1000s of dollars that gone before):

http://www.vitacost.com/EthicalNutrientsAdrenalGlandularPluswithPantothenicAcidB6

Because diabetes runs in my immediate family, I'm also getting blood sugar workup, plus insuling profile to check for insulin resistence.


FRESH START TODAY!!!
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another thread dealt with maca....check it out. I've started on it and already have some glimmer of libido. (glimmer)
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I have this problem too and have since I had my second son, when I was 35, and my body went haywire (low thyroid, weight gain, etc.)  I had the hormone panel and Dr. said I was Peri-menopausal.  Went on the bio-identical hormone treatment and gained MORE weight and felt awful.  Still had night-sweats, hot flashes, low libido, cranky, tired, etc.   Went off of it and got a little better.  Took testosterone supplements for a while with no effect.  Took anything herbal, over the counter, remedies, ets.  Nothing worked but time, I suppose.  I'm 42 now and feeling so much better than when I was in my 30's.  BTD helped mood swings and energy level quite a bit.  Exercise is essential.  Having a good girlfriend to hash things out with is good.  Problem is that most men really don't understand.  Why can't we just "give it up"?  Well, some say that's the answer.  Just do it.  I don't know.  It works sometimes, I guess.  It sure would be nice to "want" to though.  KWIM?


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Rachael,
It's a respected company.  But I don't have much knowledge about the appropriate time to use glandulars.

Some other things that may help:

Tyrosine, 250 mg. 1 cap 2 x daily
Rhodiola:  especially good for O's
Methylcobalamine B12



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Jamie,
are you following stress reduction guidelines, for your type?
like alternate nostril breathing and such?

it is important being an A nonnie, that you practice lowering your cortisol levels through the right exercises.


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