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tholgate
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Has anyone out there overcome recurrent yeast infections w/4YBTD and 4YBTD supplements?  I don't believe I have candida - I have been through the three lac (sp?) supplements, have been through a candida diet, take probiotics, etc.  All seemed to have come down to stress.   I took a low dose of diflucan for 60 days last spring and they finally went away.  Since then I have been on the 4YBTD, or at least trying and have started the supplements.  However, a yeast infection has shown up again.  aaarrrrggghhhhh!!!!  This started last Fall after never having problems before (I'm 42).   Any suggestions or shared experiences would be appreciated!
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UDA Plus
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ARA6
caprylic acid

for 6 weeks

i would find out if you are a non secretor or not...they..nonnies...tend to have a problem with yeast....but buy a test and see..if you are you need to eat less grains


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Thank you for the response.  What are: UDA plus, ARA6, and in what form does caprylic acid come in and what amounts for all of these?

Also, I cannot find out my secretor status because I am in NY.  Am going to try and get a relative to order for me, and then we'll figure out how to perform test and submit for results.

Less grains?  Already feeling like there is nothing for me to eat!  
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sorry

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl

use as directed on label

ask to get your Lewis Blood group tested through a blood test by your doctor...if it's Le (a+b-) you are a non secretor...

use as directed on label

caprylic acid comes in tablet form...any healthfood store will carry it

Meat & Poultry

Highly Beneficial: None

Neutral: Chicken, Cornish Hens, Turkey

Highly Beneficial: Carp, Cod, Grouper, Mackerel, Monkfish, Perch (Silver, Yellow), Pickerel, Red snapper, Rainbow trout, Salmon, Sardine, Sea trout, Snail, Whitefish

Neutral: Abalone, Albacore tuna, Mahimahi, Perch (Ocean, White), Pike, Porgy, Sailfish, Sea Bass, Shark, Smelt, Snapper, Sturgeon, Swordfish, Weakfish, Yellowtail

Eggs & Dairy

Highly Beneficial: Soy cheese, Soy milk

Neutral: Eggs; Farmer cheese, Feta, Goat cheese, Goat milk, Kefir, Low fat mozzarella, Low fat ricotta, String cheese, Yogurt (with fruit, frozen, plain)

Oils & Nuts

Highly Beneficial: Flaxseed oil, Olive oils; Flaxseeds, Peanuts, Pumpkin seeds

Neutral: Canola oil, Cod liver oil; Almonds, Almond butter, Chestnuts (Filberts), Hickory nuts, Litchi, Macadamia, Pine nuts, Poppy seeds, Sesame seeds, Sesame butter (tahini), Sunflower butter, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts

Beans & Legumes

Highly Beneficial: Aduke/azuki beans, Black beans, Green beans, Pinto beans, Soybeans, Lentils (green, red); Black-eyed peas

Neutral: Broad beans, Faba/fava beans, Cannellini, Jicama, Snap beans, String beans, White beans; Peas (green, snow)

Cereals & Grains

Highly Beneficial: Amaranth, Buckwheat/kasha, Ezekiel, Manna bread, Oat flour, Rice cakes, Rice flour, Rye Flour, Soba pasta, Soy bread

Neutral: Barley, Corn, Kamut, Oat bran, Oatmeal, Millet, Quinoa, Rice, Rye, Spelt, Wheat (bulgur flour, durum flour, only occasionally, see ER4YT)

Vegetables

Highly Beneficial: Artichokes, Beet leaves, Broccoli, Carrots, Chard, Chicory, Collards, Dandelion greens, Escarole, Garlic, Horseradish, Kale, Kohlrabi, Leeks, Lettuce (romaine), Okra, Onions (red, spanish, yellow), Parsley, Parsnip, Pumpkin, Spinach, Sprouts (alfalfa), Sunchoke, Tempeh, Tofu, Turnips

Neutral: Arugula, Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo shoots, Beetroot, Bok choy, Caraway, Cauliflower, Celery, Chervil, Coriander, Corn, Cucumber, Daikon, Endive, Fennel, Fiddlehead Ferns, Lettuce (bibb, boston, iceberg, mesclun), Mushroom (abalone, enoki, maitake, portobello, shiitake, tree oyster), Mustard greens, Olives (green), Onions (green), Radicchio, Radishes, Rappini, Rutabaga, Scallion, Seaweed, Shallots, Snow Peas, Sprouts (brussels, mung, radish), Squash (all types), Waterchestnut, Watercress, Zucchini

Fruit

Highly Beneficial: Apricots, Blackberries, Blueberries, Boysenberries, Cherries, Cranberries, Figs, Grapefruit, Lemons, Pineapple, Plums/prunes,

Neutral: Apples, Currants, Dates, Elderberries, Gooseberries, Grapes (black, concord, green, red), Guava, Kiwi, Kumquat, Limes, Loganberries, Melons (canang, casaba, crenshaw, Christmas, musk, Spanish), Watermelon, Nectarines, Peaches, Pears, Persimmons, Pomegranates, Prickly pear, Raisins, Raspberries, Starfruit, Strawberries

Juices & Beverages

Highly Beneficial: Apricot, Black Cherry, Carrot, Celery, Grapefruit, Lemon-water, Pineapple, Prune juice; Coffee, Green tea, Red Wine

Neutral: Apple, Apple cider, Cabbage, Cucumber, Cranberry, Grape, Juices from acceptable vegetables; White wine

Spices & Condiments

Highly Beneficial: Barley malt, Blackstrap molasses, Garlic, Ginger, Miso, Mustard, Soy sauce, Tamari

Neutral: Agar, Allspice, Almond extract, Anise, Arrowroot, Basil, Bay leaf, Bergamot, Brown rice syrup, Cardamom, Carob, Chervil, Chives, Chocolate, Cinnamon, Cloves, Coriander, Corn (starch, syrup), Cream of Tartar, Cumin, Curry, Dill, Dulse, Honey, Horseradish, Kelp (bladderwrack), Maple syrup, Marjoram, Mint, Mustard (dry), Nutmeg, Oregano, Paprika (sweet), Parsley, Peppermint, Pimento, Rice syrup, Rosemary, Saffron, Sage, Salt, Savory, Spearmint, Sugar (brown, white), Tamarind, Tapioca, Tarragon, Thyme, Turmeric, Vanilla; Dressings-Jams-Relish from acceptable fruits/vegetables, occasional Pickles (dill, kosher, sweet, sour)

Herbals

Highly Beneficial: Alfalfa, Aloe, Burdock, Chamomile, Echinacea, Fenugreek, Ginger, Ginseng, Green tea, Hawthorn, Milk thistle, Rose hips, St. John's Wort, Slippery elm, Valerian

Neutral: Chickweed, Coltsfoot, Dandelion, Dong quai, Elder, Gentian, Golden seal, Hops, Horehound, Licorice root, Linden, Mulberry, Mullein, Parsley, Peppermint, Raspberry leaf, Sage, Sarsaparilla, Senna, Shepherd's purse, Skullcap, Spearmint, Strawberry leaf, Thyme, Vervain, White birch, White oak, Yarrow

Too Little to Eat for A's????


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I know . . . I'm whining.  But have eaten meat, potatoes, bread and pasta for 42 years.  It is quite a shock and will take some time to be successful.  Physician won't run any blood tests that are not diagnostic in nature and he doesn't consider 4YBT diet a good enough reason and doesn't believe yeast infections have anything to do with diet.  Thanks for the info!
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Mike, or anyone really, is there another word for caprylic acid?

I went to the local health food stores and a local pharmacy today looking for caprylic acid but no luck... The first hfs did say they had some products with caprylic acid as one of the ingredients, but not as a single product.. The next hfs hadn't heard about it before and couldn't even find a product containing it. At the pharmacy they said they knew it was used for creams sometimes, but was unsure about tablet form.. They did say they thought there was another name for it as well, but they couldn't remember what it was.. So, anyone got some more info on caprylic acid?


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Cautions

Avoid caprylic acid if you have an inflammatory bowel condition such as ulcerative colitis.

Side effects are rare, but reports of mild stomach upset and headaches have been associated with caprylic acid. To avoid these reactions, take caprylic acid with meals.


Ehm.. does this mean that I should not use caprylic acid when I've got (or at least had) some sort of inflammation in my intestines (which the doctors think is Crohn's) ?


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Solary makes a caprylic acid supplement "Capryl"  It also has some magnesium, some zinc,  and some calcium.  The point of that is to make it slow release (caprylic acid can be all taken up by the stomach, and never get to where it is needed, if you don't have it with these "buffers."  So check to see what the other ingredients are.  It may be exactly what you need.  
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Hmm

Still not much luck on the caprylic acid or capryl - so seems it's not that widely known in australian hf stores. Some had hear of it though, but they didn't have it in store and couldn't get it..

I'm going to place outside the city tomorrow and there's a larger hfs there, so will try again..

I did finally get Xylitol though

So now I gotta figure out how much to take of that per day


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Oh, btw, I was told at the hfs that the caprylic acid is made from coconut.. Coconut is an avoid for us Os and I also think I might have an allergy to it (it's one of a few things a cut out a couple of years ago when I got some allergic reactions..)..

Is there som reason that the caprylic acid from coconut isn't an avoid? Like the stuff in the coconut that makes it an avoid is not present in the caprylic acid or similar?


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

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Hmm

Still not much luck on the caprylic acid or capryl - so seems it's not that widely known in australian hf stores. Some had hear of it though, but they didn't have it in store and couldn't get it..

I'm going to place outside the city tomorrow and there's a larger hfs there, so will try again..

I did finally get Xylitol though

So now I gotta figure out how much to take of that per day


Go without and use the other methods



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TheViking what is Xylintol used for?
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Caprylic acid is on the Dr. D. protocol for candida for O's.  I believe there is somewhere an explanation of why it is ok (old thread), but I would not worry about it.  A lot of BTD thought went into the development of his protocols (BTD encyclopedia), and I doubt you will go wrong.  I certainly have not had any trouble that I know of following the BTD encyclopedia advice, and think it is, at least for the vast majority of us, pretty firm ground.  When one is starting to resolve a complex of symptoms, one just needs to stand somewhere!
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Is xylitol better than sweetening with stevia?
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Stevia is great, but xylitol seems to be good against candida.  Also, x. does not have any bitter undertone.
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Is xylitol okay for all blood types?
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Is xylitol okay for all blood types?


It hasn't been tested.


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Is there information on how effective xylitol is at fighting candida?  As I said before about the whipping cream, I don't want to create something by giving my son an avoid (if that's the case with the xylitol) - but if it's something that can make a difference in this horrible battle...  I've been using strevia up to now and Elizabeth, you're right, you do have to be careful with amounts because of the bitter taste.  
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Has anyone tried treating yeast with Candex?  I've had luck keeping it at bay with this.
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''Dr D mentioned that xylitol produced diarrhea in about 50% of his patients.

xylitol does not provoke insulin release as does glucose
xylitol is a byproduct of the plywood industry; it is extracted from birch
cellulose by an energy-intensive chemical process.  It is linked to cancer
and urinary kidney stones in animal studies.
xylitol ... is a 'natural' sugar found first in Finland in the sap of beach/
poplar trees.  It is a simple sugar that does not trigger any involvemnt by
insulin.  'Fantastic' thought I for people prone to diabetes and for 0-nonnies
(who are always on the lookout for a 'sugar-fix'). ''


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Xylitol is clearly not one to overdo, but I think it has its place.  Also called "birch sugar."  On one site, regular (not alternative) pediatricians found it reduces the number of ear infections in children.  The dose is very small.  (Just wandering around on the web to see if I could find anything else useful.)  I will try to paste in here from the Dr. Greene.com site:

Parents need to know about this gentle, effective solution – especially if their children get ear infections. Xylitol (pronounced zie-lit-tall) is a sweet substance found naturally in raspberries and plums. What is it, exactly, and what does it do? The xylophone is a percussion instrument consisting of a series of wooden bars of increasing lengths, which when struck makes sounds of the musical scale. The "xyl" in xylophone comes from the Greek word xylan, meaning wood. A xylophone makes sound from wood; xylitol is a sugar made from wood.

Xylitol, also called wood sugar, can be made from the cell walls of most land plants. Xylan, the naturally occurring substance that yields xylitol when refined, is found most commonly in straw, corncobs, oat hulls, cottonseed hulls, and wood. Xylitol is a common food sweetener. Unlike most sugars which have 6 carbon atoms, this naturally sweet substance has only five.

While other sugars tend to promote the growth of bacteria, xylitol has been proven to inhibit the growth of bacteria. In particular it has been shown to be effective in preventing dental cavities by inhibiting Strep mutans, the main bacteria responsible for cavities.

Since the major cause of ear infections is Strep pneumo, a species of bacteria closely related to Strep mutans, perhaps xylitol would prove effective in preventing ear infections. Researchers from Finland tested this hypothesis and published the results of their investigation in the British Medical Journal (November 1996).

The study included 306 children in day care nurseries, most of whom had a history of repeated ear infections. Half of the children chewed xylitol-sweetened gum (2 pieces, 5 times a day -- after all meals and snacks); the other half chewed ordinary gum at the same frequency. During the 2 months of the study, 21% of the regular gum chewers, but only 12% of the xylitol group, had one or more ear infections. Gum chewing by itself, by promoting swallowing and thus clearance of the middle ear, probably prevents some ear infections. The sugar in the regular-sugar-sweetened gum may have offset this effect by promoting bacterial growth in the children who chewed this ordinary gum. By contrast, in this study, xylitol dropped the incidence of ear infections by almost half!

In the xylitol group, children took a total of 8.4 grams of xylitol daily. Most experienced no side effects, but two of them developed diarrhea -- a known side effect of xylitol and other sweeteners.

A small number of children, almost all of them of Jewish descent, have a congenital enzyme defect making them unable to digest xylitol. This condition is called pentosuria. There are no associated disabilities.

No treatment, and no dietary restriction, is necessary. The xylitol is absorbed into the body and then excreted in the urine. The only problem arising from pentosuria is that children having this sugar in the urine are sometimes mistakenly diagnosed with diabetes, and receive diabetic treatment. Pentosuria has no relationship to diabetes. Children with pentosuria could still use xylitol to prevent ear infections.

This Finnish study, making use of the natural, gentle antibiotic properties of plants, is an exciting development. A similar study conducted by the same authors in 1998 (Journal of Pediatrics) confirmed the results found. While much research remains to be done (e.g. the optimal amounts and delivery systems), xylitol seems to be a safe and effective way to reduce the number of ear infections. I suspect it will also prove useful in preventing sinus infections, because the same bacteria are involved.



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Has anyone tried treating yeast with Candex?  I've had luck keeping it at bay with this.


My son's been taking Candex for about 3 months.  While I want to say that it's been working, I'm just not sure if it's the Candex or the probiotics or the combination of the two along with antifungals and diet that have been working - Or maybe doing any combination of probiotics, enzymes, diet, antifungals would eventually make a difference when it's done for an extended period of time.   We've been treating this for 5 1/2 months and even though he's better today than he was even one month ago, he's still far from over it.
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My son's been taking Candex for about 3 months.  While I want to say that it's been working, I'm just not sure if it's the Candex or the probiotics or the combination of the two along with antifungals and diet that have been working - Or maybe doing any combination of probiotics, enzymes, diet, antifungals would eventually make a difference when it's done for an extended period of time.   We've been treating this for 5 1/2 months and even though he's better today than he was even one month ago, he's still far from over it.[
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I've been told by my health food store that you had to take probiotics WITH the Candex.  The Candex kills the yeast (with no die-off effects or other negative side effects) and that you had to replace the bad bacteria with good...

So far, it works very well for me, keeping those ichy creatures away.  Of course, limiting sugar and starches helps too.  But I'm going to move on to the suggested recipe earlier of BTD products in addition to the Candex. I believe its safe to take for extended periods as its simply an enzyme (albeit very effective).

Everyones input is extremely helpful.  Nice to know you're not the only one out there with this aweful beast inside.  By the way, while we're being graphic, "if she has it, he has it".  Guys can get it from girls, the old-fashioned way, if you know what I mean.  My OBG didn't know this.  In fact, he didn't know a lot about yeast.

Cheers!
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A lof of information here and I haven't been getting the email notices that there have been all these responses.  So sorry to all of you out there that are/have suffering this beast.  One of the responses says:  Dr. D suggests capricylic acid for O's - where is this suggestion and is there a suggestion for A's in treating yeast?  Is there a connection between A's and their less acidic environment and the beasty yeast?  My GYN wants me to do boric acid for 30 days.  I just can't imagine that is a good thing.  I really want to go at it from the BTD way, please point me to the resources.  I will look for the capryl and look into the candex.  What is the best probiotics anyone has used?  I'll look in the BTD store.  Thank you!!!
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Another question - I see the probiotics in the BTD store and notice there isn't any acidophilus specifically in the A probiotic - everyone has told me this is a must for yeast fighting.  I assume it isn't since it isn't in BTD's probioitic?
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YEAST/FUNGUS RESISTANCE PROTOCOLS
Use this protocol for 6 weeks

BLOOD GROUP A
Stinging Nettle root (Urtica dioica), “UDA Plus”: 1-2 capsules, twice daily
Elecampane (Inula helenium), 500 mg: 1 capsule with meals 1-2X daily
Caprylic acid, 350 mg: 1-2 capsules, twice daily away from food.
Betaine HCl, 250 mg: 1 capsule with large meals
Oregon Grape (Berberis aquifolium), 250-500 mg: 1-2 capsules, twice daily
Polyflora A (ABO Specific Probiotic): 2 capsule daily

NON-SECRETORS Add:
Zinc, 15 mg: daily

GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS USABLE BY ALL GROUPS
Larch arabinogalactan (Larix officinalis) “ARA6”: 1 tbsp, twice daily in juice or water

Also refer to: LR4YT pages 171-172, this is where acidophilus is mentioned.


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Thank you for the specifics, Don.  Is this from a book?  I looked in the LR4YT and couldn't find it.  I also looked at the acidophilus mentioned on p. 171-172 - it mentions specifically acidophilus as well which is why I wonder why it isn't in the Polyflora A.

On the ARA6 - okay to take the tablet form, or is the tbsp in water a must?

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The protocol information is from the Encyclopedia.

Acidophilus is recommended for certain conditions such as candida.  PolyFlora A is designed for general health reasons.

Take the Larch in powder or capsule form it doesn't matter.  Either way I assume you will use some water to take it.


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Hmm.. found an interesting article from FEMS yeast research (scientific journal thing).. Don't think you'll have access to the site for free (I get it through my uni's subscription). So here's a little cut and paste about how effective they found different oil plants against candida albicans:

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3.1. Screening of plant oils for anti-Candida activity

The isolates of C. albicans tested showed different sensitivity to the oils. However, the majority of the oils were found effective and showed considerable activity at very low concentrations. Twenty-five among the 38 oils tested caused a 1–30 mm zone of inhibition (ZOI). Seventeen oils caused a 10–20 mm ZOI. Six oils showed a 1–9 mm ZOI against all four strains tested. Jasmine and lavender oil failed to inhibit the growth of the Candida strains except CA IV. (Table 1). (13 oils failed to inhibit growth of the C. albicans strains at 5-μl doses.)

Table 1.

Screening of plant oils for anti-Candida activity
Plant oils     CAI     CA II     CA III     CA IV    
ZOI (mm)     ZOI (mm)     ZOI (mm)     ZOI (mm)    
Lemongrass oil     30.0 (±0)     30.0 (±0)     27.3 (±2.51)     30.3 (±2.51)    
Clove leaf oil     27.0 (±1.0)     30.0 (±4.35)     22.0 (±3.0)     20.3 (±0.57)    
Cinnamon oil     25.0 (±0)     24.3 (±4.93)     26.3 (±2.3)     24.0 (±3.6)    
Japanese mint oil     20.0 (±0)     21.0 (±1.0)     20.3 (±2.51)     26.6 (±3.51)    
Geranium oil     20.0 (±0)     20.3 (±0.57)     18.0 (±3.0)     19.0 (±1.73)    
Motiarosha oil     21.3 (±0.57)     20.3 (±3.05)     14.0 (±2.0)     13.6 (±2.8    
Orange oil     29.0 (±3.60)     23.0 (±4.35)     23.0 (±2.0)     25.3 (±1.52)    
Ylang-ylang oil     24.0 (±1.0)     21.6 (±0.57)     13.3 (±0.57)     16.0 (±1.0)    
Gingergrass oil     20.0 (±4.35)     25.3 (±2.51)     18.3 (±0.57)     16.0 (±3.60)    
Peppermint oil     15.0 (±0)     15.3 (±0.57)     10.3 (±2.51)     15.6 (±0.57)    
Ocimum oil     19.3 (±0.57)     17.3 (±0.57)     10.6 (±4.04)     16.6 (±0.57)    
Lemon oil     13.3 (±0.57)     17.6 (±0.57)     16.3 (±0.57)     17.6 (±2.0    
Camphor oil     13.0 (±1.0)     11.0 (±2.64)     13.3 (±2.0     16.3 (±3.21)    
Rosemary oil     8.3 (±0.57)     10.0 (±2.64)     8.3 (±1.52)     12.3 (±2.51)    
Tulsi oil     12.6 (±4.04)     12.0 (±0)     10.3 (±1.52)     12.0 (±0)    
Bergamot oil     16.0 (±1.0)     22.3 (±2.51)     17.3 (±2.0     19.3 (±1.52)    
Tea tree oil     17.0 (±1.0)     24.0 (±1.0)     11.0 (±1.73)     14.6 (±2.51)    
Clarysage oil     11.6 (±0.57)     12.0 (±1.0)     8.3 (±2.51)     12.3 (±0.57)    
Eucalyptus oil     7.0 (±0)     9.0 (±1.0)     6.3 (±0.57)     10.0 (±1.0)    
Citronella oil     7.3 (±0.57)     9.0 (±1.0)     8.0 (±1.0)     6.6 (±1.52)    
Juniper oil     5.0 (±0)     5.0 (±0)     5.0 (±0)     5.0 (±0)    
Ginger oil     2.0 (±0)     2.0 (±0)     2.0 (±0)     2.0 (±0)    
Rose oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     2.0 (±0)     2.0 (±0)    
Jasmine oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     1.0 (±0)    
Lavender oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     1.0 (±0)    
Chandan oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Cedar oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Jyotishmati oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Jojoba oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Olive oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Orpl oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Walnut oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Almond oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Khus oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Neem oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Wheatgerm oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Chaulmoogra oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    
Cade oil     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)     0 (±0)    

ZOI: zone of inhibition.

Values in parenthesis indicate standard deviation.



Wasn't sure where to post this as the amount of candida threads keep spreading, but hopefully some of you will find this usefull


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I thought olive oil is one of those foods that's on every anti candida list because of it's anti fungal properties.  Am I reading the plant oil list correctly?
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Hallois cyn. Yeah, i found it kinda strange as well.. I see they found lemongrass to be the most effective though, so i've got that on my shoppinglist for next hfs visit..

There were more data etc on that article though, I'll go back and see what more they say about olive oil..


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Okei. Here is the summary of the article with all data tables. might have to make severfal posts, we'll see:

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Potential of plant oils as inhibitors of Candida albicans growth

Anupama N. Devkatte, Gajanan B. Zore and S. Mohan Karuppayil,  

School of Life Sciences, SRTM University, Nanded – 431606 (MS), India

Received 18 October 2004;  revised 22 December 2004;  accepted 21 February 2005.  Available online 14 March 2005.



Abstract

Minimum inhibitory concentrations (MICs) and minimum fungicidal concentrations (MFCs) were determined for 38 oils of plant origin against Candida albicans. Four strains including one standard strain were used in this study. The antifungal agents, Fluconazole and Amphotericin B were used as positive controls. The standard strain (ATCC10231) used in this study was found to be highly resistant to Fluconazole: 3000 μg ml−1 of Fluconazole was required to inhibit the growth of this strain partially, and complete inhibition could not be achieved. Other Candida strains were sensitive to 5 μg ml−1 of Fluconazole. All the strains used were sensitive to Amphotericin B. Of the 38 oils tested, 23 were found effective and fifteen were ineffective. Based on their MFCs, effective oils were categorized into three categories. Seven oils, which exerted fungicidal effect at less than 0.15% concentration of oils, were grouped into the most effective class. The oils exhibiting MFCs in the range of 0.16–1.5% concentration were considered moderately effective. Nine oils, which required more than 1.5% concentration, were regarded as less effective. The Fluconazole-resistant strain (MTCC 227) was sensitive to at least 23 of the plant oils. Results of this study indicate that oils of plant origin may find use as potential anti-Candida agents.

Keywords: Antifungal; Candida albicans; Plant oils; Fluconazole; Amphotericin B


- Table 1 - see above -

Table 2.
MICs and MFCs of plant oils against four isolates of Candida albicans
Plant oils/drugs     CA I     CA II     CA III     CA IV    
MIC (%)     MFC (%)     MIC (%)     MFC (%)     MIC (%)     MFC (%)     MIC (%)     MFC (%)    
Lemongrass oil     0.06     0.12     0.06     0.12     0.06     0.06     0.06     0.12    
Clove leaf oil     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12    
Japanese oil     0.06     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.06     0.12     0.06     0.06    
Geranium oil     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12     0.12    
Cinnamon oil     0.01     0.03     0.01     0.03     0.01     0.03     0.01     0.03    
Motiarosha oil     0.06     0.12     0.06     0.12     0.06     0.12     0.09     0.12    
Orange oil     1.0     2.0     1.0     2.0     1.0     2.0     1.0     1.0    
Ylang-ylang oil     0.5     1.0     0.25     1.0     0.25     1.0     0.5     1.0    
Gingergrass oil     0.12     0.12     0.15     0.15     0.15     0.15     0.15     0.12    
Peppermint oil     0.25     0.25     0.25     0.25     0.30     0.30     0.25     0.25    
Ocimum oil     1.0     1.0     1.0     1.0     1.0     1.0     1.0     1.0    
Lemon oil     0.5     1.0     1.0     2.0     1.0     2.0     0.5     1.0    
Camphor oil     0.5     1.0     0.5     1.0     0.5     1.0     0.5     1.0    
Rosemary oil     1.0     2.0     1.0     3.0     1.0     3.0     1.0     2.0    
Tulsi oil     0.25     0.5     0.25     0.5     0.25     0.5     0.25     0.25    
Bergamot oil     1.0     2.0     1.0     2.0     1.0     2.0     1.0     2.0    
Tea tree oil     0.12     0.25     0.25     0.5     0.25     0.5     0.12     0.25    
Clarysage oil     2.0     3.0     2.0     3.0     2.0     3.0     2.0     3.0    
Eucalyptus oil     1.5     2.5     1.5     2.5     1.5     2.5     1.5     2.5    
Citronella oil     1.0     2.0     0.8     2.0     0.5     2.0     1.0     2.0    
Juniper oil     3.0     >3.0     3.0     >3.0     3.0     >3.0     3.0     >3.0    
Ginger oil     3.0     >3.0     3.0     >3.0     3.0     >3.0     3.0     >3.0    
Rose oil     1.0     3.0     1.0     3.0     2.0     3.0     1.0     3.0    
Fluconazolea     5.0     5.5     5.0     5.5     2.0     2.5     3000     >3000    
Amphotericin Ba     2.5     2.5     3.0     3.0     3.0     3.0     2.5     2.5    
a Values in μg ml−1.




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Table 3.
Classification of the plant oils based on Minimum Fungicidal Concentration
Group     Oils     MFC     MIC     ZOI    
Most effective (0.01–0.15%)     Cinnamon oil     0.03     0.01     24.0 (±3.60)    
Lemongrass oil     0.12     0.16     30.3 (±2.50)    
Clove oil     0.12     0.12     20.3 (±0.50)    
Japanese mint oil     0.06     0.06     26.6 (±3.50)    
Geranium oil     0.12     0.12     19.0 (±1.73)    
Motiarosha oil     0.12     0.09     13.6 (±2.8    
Ginger grass oil     0.12     0.15     16.0 (±3.50)    

Moderately effective (0.16–1.0%)     Peppermint oil     0.25     0.25     15.6 (±0.50)    
Tulsi oil     0.25     0.25     12.0 (±0.00)    
Tea tree oil     0.25     0.12     14.6 (±2.50)    
Camphor oil     1.0     0.5     16.3 (±0.50)    
Ocimum oil     1.0     1.0     16.6 (±0.50)    
Lemon oil     1.0     0.5     17.6 (±2.0    
Ylang-ylang oil     1.0     0.5     16.0 (±1.00)    
Orange oil     1.0     1.0     25.3 (±1.52)    

Less effective (>1.0%)     Bergamot oil     2.0     1.0     19.3 (±1.52)    
Rosemary oil     2.0     1.0     12.3 (±2.51)    
Eucalyptus oil     3.0     2.0     10.0 (±1.00)    
Citronellal oil     2.0     1.0     06.1 (±1.50)    
Rose oil     3.0     1.0     02.0 (±0.00)    
Clarysage oil     3.0     2.0     12.3 (±0.50)    
Juniper oil     >3.0     3.0     05.0 (±0.00)    
Ginger oil     >3.0     3.0     02.0 (±0.00)    

Non effective     Chandan oil     –     –     00    
Cedarwood oil     –     –     00    
Jyotishmati oil     –     –     00    
Jojoba oil     –     –     00    
Olive oil     –     –     00    
Jasmine oil     –     –     00    
Lavender oil     –     –     00    
Orpl oil     –     –     00    
Walnut oil     –     –     00    
Almond oil     –     –     00    
Khus oil     –     –     00    
Neem oil     –     –     00    
Wheatgerm oil     –     –     00    
Chaulmoogra oil     –     –     00    
Cade oil     –     –     00    

–, indicates not effective.

End discussion:
Anti-Candida activity of some of the essential oils like Tea tree oil is well known [23], [26] and [27]. Many of the preparations used against vaginal candidiasis caused by C. albicans contain Tea tree oil as an active component [23]. Several oils of plant origin have been suggested in alternative medicines against microbial infections including candidiasis and gingivitis [17], [19], [20], [21], [23], [25], [26], [28] and [29]. However, azole antifungal agents and derivatives continue to dominate as drugs of choice against Candida infections, as topical applications or as oral drugs [1], [2], [3], [10] and [15]. Except for Tea tree oil, which has a history of more than 80 years of use in Australia, not many herbal products have entered into the market [23] and [30]. Some products containing Rosemary oil are used against fungi causing dandruff [31] and [32]. In vitro anti-Candida activity of essential oils like Tea tree, Lemongrass, Citronella, Peppermint and Palmarosa have been reported [22], [23], [26] and [27]. We have examined the efficacy of 38 oils of plant origin for the in vitro anti-Candida activity against four isolates of C. albicans (Table 1 and Table 2). At least 23 of the oils tested showed promise as effective agents. These oils could be classified according to their efficacy (Table 3). One of the isolates which was found to be resistant to Fluconazole was inhibited at very low concentration of all the effective oils of plant origin tested in this study (Table 2).

Disc diffusion assay is a standard method widely used for quick screening of natural products for antifungal activity [23]. We have screened plant oils using this very convenient assay method. This study indicates that caution is needed since different oils may have different diffusion rates on agar plates and this may contribute to variation in the inhibitory zones, leading to erroneous conclusions regarding their antifungal activity. For example, some of the oils which exhibited smaller inhibition zones compared to others were very effective against Candida strains in the NCCLS broth dilution assay which does not involve diffusion. For example, Cinnamon oil exhibited a ZOI of 24 mm in the disc diffusion assay, where Lemongrass oil showed 30 mm. But in the MFC assay Cinnamon oil (0.01%) was found better than Lemongrass oil (0.06%). Fungicidal activity is considered as a desirable quality for antifungal agents, since it could totally eliminate the fungus from tissues. Amphotericin B is fungicidal, is known to be very effective against human pathogenic fungi and is used as the drug of choice in systemic fungal infections, in spite of its severe side effects [2], [3], [5] and [7]. Fluconazole, the widely-prescribed antifungal agent against Candida infections, is fungistatic in nature and may require prolonged use [1], [2] and [7].

It is encouraging to note that the majority of the oils used in this study were fungicidal at low concentrations. Not much information is available on the mode of action of the natural products inhibiting Candida growth. More Fluconazole/azole-resistant strains need to be included in future studies. The plant oils could find use as anti-Candida agents against azole-resistant strains. Most of the oils used in this study have a long history of use in food, confectionery and as components of perfume [18] and [32]. However, if they are to be considered in topical preparations a careful exploration of their probable irritating and other undesirable effects in humans need to be undertaken.


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I can't find oregano oil tested there though, that would also be interesting to know..


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I agree that it would be interesting to see how oregano oil tests.  That was actually the next antifungal I was going to give to my son.  I read somewhere that it was many times stronger than caprylic acid. - Also strange about the olive oil.  A few months ago my son noticed that he reacted to olive oil so I always assumed that it was an antifungal - and a pretty good one at that.
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I'm not sure how they've done the testing though. Might be that olive oil will be somehow utilised/transformed in the body so that it supports some antifungal activity or becomes an antifungal..?

Ehm.. If I want to use lemongrass oil or clove oil, what sort of oil form do i get it in for internal usage? ..I got essential oils first, but figured out that seems to be for external use only? :p

Do your son take the olive oil clean or with food or something? ..I try to put some olive oil on my brocoli and other salads.. Good to hear your son is responding well to it

I got some heallix yesterday that I will start trying with the stronger dosage. Hopefully that will give me some good results. I've also started taking some honey, but wondering if I'm going to put the honey on hold for a few days to see how the heallix works on it's own first..


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Hi Glenn,

Maybe I get this wrong ... but the candida fighter par excellence is olive LEAF and is likely classified as a herb.  Never have I heard of olive oil as being similar to any essential oils, but olive oil is an effective CARRIER for essential oils (which tend to be extremely concentrated) ... jajoba oil is similar.

From what I understand NOW foods has a pill that is enteric coated, so releases its contents of wild oregano oil only in the small intestines.  Knowing how penetrating most essential oils are ... I don't think so much is improved by taking dilute essential oils in a massage format over an injestion (Tisserand).

One of the problems you will encounter is that candida tends to reside in most cracks and creases of the gut.  Things injested or drunk tend not to disperse widely enough, so the massage route may be better ... it'll take longer though.

I still believe that pro-biotics and pre-biotics are likely the best answer.


John


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Aloha John

Hmm.. pre-biotics, now there's a new term for me.. what's the difference between pre- and pro-biotics?

As far as probiotics I'm taking the polyflora O and also have some innher health plus (dairy free) that I started with while waiting for my latest shipping of supplements.. Right now I'm taking both the inner health plus and the polyflora - hope they can't conflic with each other in any way?

Do you mean massaging in the clove oil could actually help kill off candida then?
My candida seems to be systemic, but where would probably be the best areas of my body to massage in the essential oils as an aid in the candida war?

NOW foods I'll have to check up on and see where in the world they sell those products, or maybe it's an online order thing. Anyways, think I've got plenty of supplements for my body to handle right now, so think I'll just stay on with all the things I've got and when I start running low on things I'll have to consider what to get more of and what I will try without for a while. Also getting close to going home at that time so probably good to not have too much pill-stuff to drag through customs :p


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Quoted from John_McDonell_O+


From what I understand NOW foods has a pill that is enteric coated, so releases its contents of wild oregano oil only in the small intestines.


John


When pills are enteric coated they only release their contents in the small intestines?  I knew the enteric coating protects a pill from being dissolved by the acid in the stomach but I thought some of the contents would make it down to the large intestines. ??
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Viking,  I'm really interested in this heallix product.  What else are you taking with it?  Please keep us posted on how the heallix is going.  
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I'm taking heaps right now, probably way too many supplements and stuff.

I will let you know how it goes with the healix though, or my general progress, as I can't really attribute it to any one thing as i'm trying so many things in combination right now.


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I am assuming when you indicate a yeast infection, you are referring to a vaginal yeast infection.

The only thing that helped me get rid of a chronic yeast infection was boric acid capsules inserted vaginally.  You have to get a pharmacist to make them up for you with a Dr.'s prescription.  They are an old remedy that most Dr.s have gotten away from in place of the marketed brands (e.g., Monostat), but it is very inexpensive and really works.
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typebdiet,
very helpfull protocol you shared, thanks!

here they re actually talking about candida and yeast in the gut.


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Has anyone out there overcome recurrent yeast infections w/4YBTD and 4YBTD supplements?  I don't believe I have candida - I have been through the three lac (sp?) supplements, have been through a candida diet, take probiotics, etc.  All seemed to have come down to stress.   I took a low dose of diflucan for 60 days last spring and they finally went away.  Since then I have been on the 4YBTD, or at least trying and have started the supplements.  However, a yeast infection has shown up again.  aaarrrrggghhhhh!!!!  This started last Fall after never having problems before (I'm 42).   Any suggestions or shared experiences would be appreciated!



Aside from what everyone else has said, Tea Tree Vaginal Suppositories can be very effective in curing (or at the very least soothing the nasty feeling of) vaginal yeast infections.  You do need to be sure, though, that you are also treating it internally, if you feel that could be a problem.  If not, are you using any products vaginally that could be causing the problem?  Among other things, excessive douching can sweep out all of the positive bacteria, leaving the bad stuff to take over.  If you try the suppositories, be sure to store them in the fridge or they will be too soft to insert.
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welcome!
if you'll go up to the top right side of the
page,to Member Center, then to Avatar
Settings on the lower left side of that page,
you can select your blood type click the save
button at the base and you won't
have to keep telling us what it is.
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check out this blog (the second one on garlic):

http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/26/

I have chronic yeast infections and candida issues.  I haven't gotten into here on the board because I'm just not in a place where I want to go chasing it down, etc.

However, as usual, a vaginal yeast infection has started.  Last night I took a big 'ole clove of garlic, peeled it, cut some cuts into it and popped it up into my vagina before bed.  I woke up with garlic breath, but beyond that I could not feel anything uncomfortable.

My yeast infection symptoms are DRASTICALLY reduced.  I'm going to do it again tonight and I am willing to bet that the symptoms will be gone by tomorrow.

Cheap, easy, holistic and seems to work.  It's seems sort of, well, icky to do, but then I though of all of the suppositories that I have used, and thought that clove of garlic sounded like a much better choice.

I really like taking Ecclectic Institute brand garlic suppliments.  I don't take it all the time, only when needed.  It stinks you up for a couple of days, but once you feel better, the garlic smell all but goes away.  One of the sales people at the HFS said that this is because you only really stink while the garlic is doing it's job, once you are "normalized" you stop smelling.

If the garlic clove suppository really works this well, it is a lot better than taking endless (and expensive) suppliments, that IMHO, really aren't very effective (I've tried them ALL and in all combos - I have also, at times in my life, done the complete yeast diet.  Didn't work.).

Get past the hesitation, get a big 'ole clove of garlic, and try it for yourself for a day or two!


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OK - it is the morning after night #2 using the "whole garlic clove suppository" method, and I am happy to report that I am completely symptom-free this morning.  I deem that, for myself, this is the method of choice for a vaginal yeast infection.

This particular infection came on really fast and I had the heavy burning sensation quickly.  I made my decision, based on the blog above, to cut some cuts into the clove before inserting it.  It appears to be the right decision.

If I feel any sort of tingle whatsoever today, I will do one more night treatment.  One of the nicest things about using a large whole clove of garlic is that it stays put and there is no dripping or any such thing.  About the only disadvantage is that I could taste garlic in my mouth when I woke up.  As soon as I removed the clove, the taste in my mouth started to disappate.  I think that, if you didn't mind tasting garlic or perhaps having some garlic breath, you could leave the clove in for 24 hours and probably be done with the whole thing.

I must add that several hours after removing the garlic, there was no more garlic odor anywhwere on me.  After removing the clove at about 7 AM, by 10 I did not have any garlic breath or garlic odor  anywhere.  

I really love this solution.  I like everything about it.  I don't have to go shopping for something, just peel a clove of garlic that I already have sitting in my kitchen. I don't have to pay $10-15 for the treatment (or $20 if I use diflucan).  It takes care of the irritating symptoms very quickly.  It's all natural so I'm not putting any man-made chemicals into very sensative tissue.  It's incredibly easy to use.

I also think that this helps to get garlic into my system while the garlic is inserted.  Garlic is a great anti-fungal, antibacterial.  I don't mind getting a little extra garlic in me, without having garlic breath from eating it or taking it is suppliment form.

I highly, highly recommend that those who suffer from vaginal yeasts try doing this.  I would thing that 3 days of using the "whole garlic clove suppository" (WGCS) would take care of just about the worst of symptoms.

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Thanks.  I don't mind being the guinea pig for this.  I still feel a little burning (ever so slight), I am garlicking again tonight.  This should be the last time, and, again, I feel that this has been an interesting experience with a great result.

I really believe in the benefits of garlic.  I wonder what sort of benefits, besides yeast control, one gets from using/ taking garlic this manner.  Could a man or a child use garlic as a rectal suppository to get the health benefits of garlic?  I'm not being gross or weird here, but seriously wondering.

Should I start a new thread on garlic?


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This also works wonders. You can douche w/ it, using it straight. Just 2 ounces at a time, but be sure it can 'sit' inside for about 5 min.  Then drink 3T in a glass of water (doesnt matter how much)  three times a day for a week or less. Works great.  



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American Dr's are the worst.  Their job depends on selling drugs.  They really can't do you any good.  Infact they suck.  Go find a naturopath who beleives in the blood type diet.  If your Dr doesn't beleive in the blood type diet it's because he is lying to you as a result of seeing the possibility that you might be benefiting from his competition.   Dr's lie all the time about the competence of Naturopathic medicine.  Lying just gets them closer to their next drug sale.

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Kevin,
you are right on with your comments!
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