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Thanks Elizabeth

You really got my mouth running with that marxipan recipe

I haven't had marzipan for years - as it's one of the things I cut out many years ago when I had some sort of allergic reaction (same time I cut out coconut, oranges and some other stuff i don't remember right now). It made my swollen hands get back to normal and I didn't touch any of those things for a looong time. I have started eating almonds again though after starting the btd and still no problems there - and you should know I've had quite a few  - have a tendency to snack to fast and too much on those almonds though :S

Anyways, thanks for the recipes and I'll give that marzipan a try very soon


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Yes, I know about the too fast thing.  At regular meals, I am now working to put down my fork between bites, chew thoroughly, don't pick up the fork again until completely done swallowing, ask myself if I am still hungry, or already full....  I now take almost half again as long as my husband (another O, but without the digestive issues) to eat.  Talk about enforced mindfulness!  I actually think that when one does not digest well, at some level the body is desperate for nourishment, and there is a desire to "wolf" one's food and eat too much, just to be sure of getting enough.  It is interesting to me that I feel that feeling less as the c. condition improves.  Not pausing between bites is a bit different, and a habit that just needs to be changed.  Sorry for all the musing, but you got me thinking.
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I know alot of people on this forum are familiar with the horrors of yeast overgrowth.  My question is - is anyone familiar with the specific type of candida known as small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO) , also known as small bowel bacterial overgrowth (SBBO), also known as fermentation type of dysbiosis?  This forum has been immensely helpful to me in dealing with my son's candida.  He's certainly improved in the 5 1/2 months since we started treating it.  But now I feel like I need support from people who are familiar with his specific problem.  I don't think it's very common - certainly not nearly as common as the usual large intestinal version that most people seem to have.  Anyone out there know about this form?  I really need you!! Thanks  
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Small Bowel Bacterial Overgrowth(SBBO) is a proliferation of colonic-type bacteria in the upper gastrointestinal tract(the stomach, duodenum, and jejunum). It only occurs when the normal defenses against bacterial proliferation are reduced. Some cause factors are listed below:

Slowed peristalic motion, which reduces clearance of food from the stomach.
Reduced gastric acidity, which normally keeps the stomach nearly sterile.
Exposure to antibiotics, which reduces the number of protective, native bacteria in the GI tract.
Surgical re-section of the small intestine.
SBBO causes malabsorption, lethargy, fatigue, and various gastrointestinal symptoms. It is difficult to eradicate, and is principally treated by trying to eliminate the overgrown population of microbes with various antimicrobial drugs. It often requires continued treatment.

Comparison to chronic candida
The causes, symptoms, and treatment of SBBO are almost identical to CRC. The malabsorption seen in SBBO is more severe, and SBBO can be tested for while chronic candida cannot. The proof of SBBO is a quantitative culture of the small intestine, an invasive and complicated test to perform.

what is your son's blood type?



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Thanks for the info Mikeo.  My son is also an A.  One of the reasons it took me so long to figure out what was wrong with him (he'd been having odd symptoms for 8 months before I knew what it was) was because he didn't fit into the usual mold of those with candida. - such as overuse of antibiotics (he's now 13 and I think he had a 7-10 day round of antibiotics once in his life).  I'm now pretty sure he was "allergic" to tomatoes (avoid for an A) and tended to have them in large quantities in the form of cooked tomato sauce (pasta, meatballs, pizza, etc) - and he always loved ketchup.  Over time his stomach/ small intestines reacted to the tomatoes which ultimately resulted in an environment that allowed yeast to grow out of control.  Now of course, he's blood type compliant, but somehow I need to deal with the secondary yeast overgrowth that was created.

I've read the info that you posted before and it's depressing.  I guess I'm looking for someone who's dealt with this and beat it??  As I said, my son is getting better - but it's so very slow.  I know that's true for other candida sufferers, but his does seem to be slower.

Anyway, if anyone has any information about this - any personal experience would be great.  
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Cyn,
I'm sorry the young man has to deal with this, and I don't have any specific knowlege about that type.  I just wanted to suggest that perhaps in addition to whatever other treatment plan you are trying, that you also add enzymes that digest candida.  There are several brands, and different folks like different ones.  The one I use is Candidase by Enzymedica and it seems to be quickly effective.  Perhaps it would help him.



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I would recommend you son drink the juice of a fresh lemon juice with warm water first thing in the morning 30 minutes before he has breakfast...he needs to increase his stomach acid as the first line of defense.

I would also suggest stinging nettle root 1 capsules twice daily which will agglutinate the candida and wash it from his system
Larch Aribinolalactan to help neutralize the bacteria in his gut ARA6
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=NP001

Probiotic for his blood type...polyflora A
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=BT003A

increase his consumption of Olive oil

thyme leaf, oregano leaf and rosemary leaf prmote improved resistance against bacteria and candida

Lastly...is he sneaking candy or candy bars into his mouth when he's at school?


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Thanks for responses.

Victoria - he's taking Candex - 2 in AM and 2 in PM both times without food and with probiotic.

Mikeo - He drinks at least 1 liter of lemon water & green tea mixture throughout the day.  I push him to have more and sometimes he does closer to 2 liters.  He really likes lemon juice.  He has a lemon juice and olive oil mixture in his salad.  As for cheating  - absolutely no way.  He's miserable with this and is willing to try anything.  He's actually afraid to eat things because for the past year anything he eats makes him gassy - which, if bad enough, makes him sick.

This situation is really quite scary.  When I look at the whole picture, he's improving.  But I wish I could see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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You're doing so well, Cyn!    

Mikeo's advice is very good....all those substances he mentiones.....pure gold!  ARA6 is an amazing substance and in addition to what he described, it provides food for the beneficial bacteria to thrive and multiply.

Keep at it.  No doubt he will continue to improve and you will begin to feel more optimism.  



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About the ARA6 - it says it's a good source of soluble fiber.  One of the things that feeds the yeast in SBBO is soluble fiber. -  Which makes it just about impossible to avoid feeding that yeast in a given day.  Because psyllium is also a soluble fiber we stopped that (he definitely had considerably more gas after taking it).   What we ended up doing was to go for fibers that had more insoluble than soluble - but just can't avoid some soluble. (he's able to tolerate some fruits - It turns out that's typical with this SBBO)  That worked better than the psyllium.  The ARA6 concerns me for the same reason.
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Quoted from cyn
Thanks for responses.

Victoria - he's taking Candex - 2 in AM and 2 in PM both times without food and with probiotic.

Mikeo - He drinks at least 1 liter of lemon water & green tea mixture throughout the day.  I push him to have more and sometimes he does closer to 2 liters.  He really likes lemon juice.  He has a lemon juice and olive oil mixture in his salad.  As for cheating  - absolutely no way.  He's miserable with this and is willing to try anything.  He's actually afraid to eat things because for the past year anything he eats makes him gassy - which, if bad enough, makes him sick.



This situation is really quite scary.  When I look at the whole picture, he's improving.  But I wish I could see the light at the end of the tunnel.


He's on his way...it might just take more time and he might turn the corner very fast




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Victoria,

Thanks so much for the encouragement.  Today has just been a bad day for my son and I guess I'm reacting to that.  It's just that I know how difficult it is to rid oneself of a typical yeast overgrowth - and then to read that my 13 year old son has a type of candida that is even more difficult than that to eliminate!  And I feel so helpless sometimes.  Anyway, any ideas on how I can hook up with others who have personal experience with this?  Thanks again for kind words.,
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Mikeo,

Thanks for your kind words.  I really hope your right and we're nearing the end.  Do you know if people continue to have their original yeast symptoms periodically right up to the end?  There seems to be fine line between what's die off and what's yeast symptoms.
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Caprylic acid is strong stuff but your son might be able to tolerate it....350mg 1-2 capsules twice daily away from food


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There was a big discussion recently about candida.  Have you browsed through all the posts?  It's long, but contains some information, experiences and links to a couple of good sites with support available.  Here are a couple of links I got.....I think.....from Lola.  Maybe you would find some folks through them who might have knowlege, experience or ideas of what you are dealing with.

http://www.wholeapproach.com/

http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/



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Can the stinging nettle be taken without the other products recommended?
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I can't help thinking that ANY kind of honey would exacerbate Candida.  I used to suffer from it and I don't want to get it back again


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Hi again,

This is what I'm counting on.  The rationalle: any kind of fungus is deadly to bees ... so how can they thive in a dark, moist place like a hive and have no fungi at all?  It seems the answer is found in a special honey form ... the UNHEATED honey.  Even in the USA, honey can claim to be 'raw' that is heated enough to flow easily.  The heated kind alters the molecular structure and kills all enzymes.

Check out www.reallyrawhoney,com

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John Hi!!
I am not sure if honey is responsible for the "clean" bee house.
Have you ever heard of Propolis?
Maybe there is an information much more valuable than honey it self.
It is worth googling on it.
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Hi ion,

my trip with this special kind of honey is very recent ... like most others, I stayed clear of honey mainly because it was only a sweetner like the rest (sweetners).  Years ago I had tried bee pollen and it is one of the very few things that I had lots of trouble with.  So the more-expensive propolis and Royal Jelly were not taken at all.

Fast foreward, I have learned that unheated honey has many, many beneficial properties.  These are contained in honey's unheated state.  Other bee products like propolis may be even more effective ... I do not know.  Right now, The Really Raw Honey seems to be working well and it is what I can afford.  Will the propolis work better ... faster ???????????

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I mention earlier propolis because when a bee finds something nasty in beehive then secrets something and starts covering it as to isolate it completely.
That secretion is called propolis (not wax) and suppose to have incredible qualities.
Antibacterial, antifungal and many more. Unfortunately I know no more.
It is good to learn though, If somebody has information please...coming in.
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I wish to share what I heard about "raw uncooked saurkrout"(Sorry I can't seem to find that word in my head) and candida. I haven't seen it mentioned recently. I seem to remember possibly writting about it a while back. Anyway I read a book called: The Yeast Connection-, once upon a time and came across the subject elsewhere at the same time. It seems that healthy garden variety bacteria live on veggies in healthy gardens. This bacteria will set to transform chopped up veggies like cabbage into raw sauerkrout? When ready to eat after fermenting or whatever that might be called a dollop with every meal will  slowly pull the performers in your gut into the digestive ballet required to set things right again. I trust there are some fermentable veggies for all blood types. Has anyone more verifiable details about this?
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Propolis is a sticky resin that seeps from the buds of some trees and oozes from the bark of other trees, chiefly conifers.
The bees gather propolis, sometimes called bee glue, and carry it home in their pollen baskets. They blend with wax flakes secreted from special glands on their abdomens. propolis is used to slickly line the intirior of brood sells in preparation for the queen's laying of eggs, a most important procedure. With its antiseptic properties, this propolis lining insures a hospital-clean enviroment for the rearing of brood.
Propolis is very complex mixture. A broad analysis reveals approximatly 55% recinous compound and balsam, 30% bee's wax, 10% ethereal and aromatic oils, and 5% bee pollen. Many flanovols contribute to propolis.
It is so powerful in action, it is often called Russian penicillin in acknowledgement of the extensive research that Russians have done on propolis. alek




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Propolis demonstrates strong antimicrobial properties against various bacterial and fungal infestations.
As a child, that was the only medication I was ever given. Alek




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