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debs
Thursday, July 14, 2005, 8:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

if at first you don't succed try & try again.
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first thing in the morning before you have anything to eat or drink spit into a glass of filtered water,wait anywhere between 0-60 mins if your spit just floats you're ok but if it grows tendrils you got candida


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Quoted from smrios78
Unfortunately, there are more diet issues with candida.  If you are going to "starve" it out of your system, you can consume, no suger or dairy, either.  When you crave those foods, it's really those little candidas asking to be fed.  Yuk. What is this spit test that you speak of, and where does one obtain it?
Stacey


Stacey,

The people on the board who have Candida are following the "Candida Diet" except for when   they slip....The  O  BTD is very similar to the Candida Diet except for a few changes.  
You  should have everything  you will need for the spit test at home already . Hopefully you have some  bottled or filtered water.
When you first  rise in the morning, before you take a drink or brush your teeth, you spit into  the glass (make sure you can see thru it) of water. Immediatley if your case of Candida is fairly serious, you will see what looks like tendrils start forming in the glass from your spit. I think they look like jellyfish tendrils. the more you have the longer they are the worst the case. You check it every 5 minutes for about 30 minutes. although I have found the results are instant one way or the other. Spit ,if healthy, will just dissolve, since it is just water with either healthy or unhealthy cells in it. If that happens you do not have  Candida.  There are also differnt test that can be run, but in my opinion this one is the most reliable and certainly cheap. Just make sure it is first think in the morning before you do anything else.
Depending on  how long you have had  the Candida, is how long it takes to get  rid of it. I for instance have had it I am sure  since childhood, as I lived on Tetracyline.
and yes, sugar and dairy are a few things you must remive from your diet, but the list is much larger than that. Besides the list, you should never eat leftover that are older than 24 hours. If you would like the  food list, PM me and I will be happy to send you two sites for the list.
Hope this explains the spit test.


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Caroline, What is the link to your source of Candex?


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http://www.pureessencelabs.com/

there yo go...wait,  did you mean the one I purchased the Candex cheaper?
Caroline


Don,
I wasn't  sure which site you wanted, so in the quote above is the website for the manufacture and here is the site that I got my last batch at. It figured out that I  was able to get  double the amount for the price in the HFS.
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/s.....x&intsource=main

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There are several online stores that sell the 120 capsule Candex product for $38.99.


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Quoted from smrios78
What is this spit test that you speak of, and where does one obtain it?
Stacey


Basically: One performs the spit test by spitting into a glass of water immediately upon rising in the morning. You observe the spit for half an hour or so.

If the spit does anything other than remain floating in a blob on the water surface the test indicates that you have Candida (Sinks to the bottom, breaks up into specks that float beneath the surface of the water, develops strings descending in the water from the spit, etc.).

If the spit remains floating without forming strings, etc. in the water, you do NOT have Candida.

More info and image at:

http://www.candida-yeast-problems.com/spittest.html
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Okay, I did this spit test....At first I had tendrils hand off my salvia then about 10-20min. later most of them broke off and floated towards the bottom. based on what everyone has told me and I have read, I HAVE CANAIDA...(sp) So what do I do now? I can't afford to buy a supplement or anything like that, trust me money is tight. But this was a not really a surprise. Help!


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Hello Bettysue,

I recommend you to go and read the Candida thread:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=encloplib,m=1116093883,s=all

There is quite a lot of information there. There seems to be some clues on how to refine the BTD accordingly, also links to food lists for candida. I believe you can prepare your own low cost road map based on the information there.

Good luck,
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Bettysue,

I posted information on the other  thread called "Tired  after Milky Ways.. opps I mean Candy".  
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About Candex - I know the company says it doesn't cause die off, but it seems to me like it actually causes more than alot of other products.  But you're right Caroline, it does make you feel like it's fighting the candida.    
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About Candex - I know the company says it doesn't cause die off, but it seems to me like it actually causes more than alot of other products.  But you're right Caroline, it does make you feel like it's fighting the candida.    


I have to agree with you on this...before I take the dose in the morning, I can have a totally clear tongue, then 1/2 hour, it is full of die off.  It definately does the  job.
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i'm taking caprylic acid.how many a day should i be taking for candida? they're called Biocare caprylic acid 680


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Hi Debs,

The Yeast/Fungus protocol recommends two capsules twice a day away from the meals.

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ah thanks yaman i'll have to start upping it then(oh ooh!)i had been taking my morning 1 after breakfast.now to start taaking it with hot lemon.Thanks Yaman


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I just noticed this thread, and I'm glad to find it since I missed that last long discussion on candida.
Caroline, I'm happy to see you reporting on an enzyme-based therapy as an alternative to the herbs and other other ingredients that kill the candida.  It makes sense to me that the enzymes would be an extremely low side effect (comparatively speaking) and very effective way to manage yeast overgrowth.

I have taken a product called Candidase by a company called Enzymedica.  It works quite well, but it also contains protein digesting enzymes in addition to the cellulase type enzymes.  Candex does not recommend taking the Protease because they say it digests the beneficial probiotics in addition to the candida.  For this reason, I am interested in trying the Candex.  Thanks for this tip.

I believe that I've heard that a yeast overgrowth can weigh in the POUNDS of material in the body.  That can really be a lot of organisms to process during the die-off.  Once, when I was taking one of the herbal programs for Candida, I literally felt like I was back on chemo again....I felt so bad from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet.  The enzymes I have tried are much more gentle.  



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I agree that doing enzymes to fight candida has real possibilities - I'm counting on it!  But do you see it as an "alternative" to other supplements?  I'm giving my son Candex - but also giving him probiotics and an antifungal.  Is it better to do the enzyme without the antifungal?  I think probiotics can negate antifungals if taken at the same time so I've been doing probiotics and Candex together (early AM and late PM) and antifungals in middle of day.  Does that make sense?
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I'm wondering if any of you have used ThreeLac for candida, and if so, how successful was the program?



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Quoted from Victoria

I have taken a product called Candidase by a company called Enzymedica.  It works quite well, but it also contains protein digesting enzymes in addition to the cellulase type enzymes.  Candex does not recommend taking the Protease because they say it digests the beneficial probiotics in addition to the candida.  For this reason, I am interested in trying the Candex.  Thanks for this tip.
 


Victoria, I tried Canidase before I found Candex. It didn't work for me, I didn't feel like it really had the power I need.  After I take my first dose in the morning.. my body does some pretty strange things. So, even though it says  you will "see" no die off ......I  think depending on how severe the case is.. you can very well "see" die off.
I also take  garlic and caprylic acid, but  the product I'm using says take with meals. which I do when I take  my magnesium. so, I am curious on what yaman said.
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yamancim, (the candida expert)
or other moderators?......
how about putting both candida threads into one huge big one?
so no one misses one or the other?

you could also create a part I, II (with a direct link to part I)and so on.......so it doesn t get so looooong!! )
thanks!!


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Caroline,
What does the caprylic acid do?  I have been keeping Oregano oil caps around for when symptoms begin to appear, and I take them with the Candidase (now, it may well be Candex).  I took caprylic acid once a couple of years ago, and it upset my stomach.  Is it worth the discomfort??



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Victoria,

Peter recommends caprylic acid to O's.

For B's the protocol is tinctures of oregano, thyme, rosemary, coriander seed, plus olive oil.

Caroline, the bottle says that the caprylic acid should be taken with meals, but protocol says away from meals. As usual I take Peter's route..

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Oregano (Origanum vulgare) tincture: 4-7 drops, twice daily
Thyme (Thymus vulgaris) tincture: 5-10 drops, twice daily
Coriander seeds (Coriandrum sativum) tincture: 2-3 drops, twice daily
Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis)
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So morning spit looks like a miniature white squid, roiling around in a glass of water the minute it gets there, then settling and stretching down to the bottom.  Trying clove, caprilic acid, garlic, flaxseed for three days so far, waiting for NAP to get settled again to get stinging nettle root--noticeable GI affect, not positive (think blimp).  Didn't know I had a problem until reading about the test, but --but caprylic acid is a great mood-improver, I see.  Thanks to all for your input.  I will keep following the thread, looking for ideas.  
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there is another candida thread you might want to follow:
scroll down the' recent threads' page.


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Lola, Yaman and Caroline,
Thanks for the info, ideas, feedback and sharings.  I'm sorry I didn't follow the other thread when it was starting.  I went over there, and got cold feet, because it's so HUGE.

I am curious what the symptoms of Candida are.  (I know I can read the 40,000 posts in the other thread and find out ........but!)  I have several strange and seemingly disconected things that start to go on with my body whenever I get extremely tired, overworked and overstressed.  I'm starting to think that maybe all of them are Candida related, instead of just the narrow range of things that I used to think of as candida.  I always figured that it was stuff like....coated tongue, fungal toenails or gums, ear infections....oh, I dunno....

So, I'm getting intestinal stuff..gassy bloating, noisy intestines after eating, always in the same place (at the bend in the road where the ascending colon meets the transverse colon), , irregular bowel movements, plus foggy vision, fatigue, restless sleep, stiff joints, aches and pains, chronic stuffy sinus, on one side only.....

I did the spit test this morning.  One tiny tendril immediately formed and sank to the bottom.  After that, a cloudy spot of spit settled on the bottom of the glass.  The majority just sat on the top of the water.

What do you think?



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