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thanks Alek and for the headsup ieatmeatnlikeit,

the information will help many people stimied in their fight against candia and other overgrowths .....

John


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You might find this video news clip interesting.

A taste of honey: Can ancient remedies defeat superbug?

It is currently on the bottom right corner of this page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/default.stm#


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I think that honey is a beautiful aid for healings of wounds... but not for candida
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Isa,

why not, huh? maybe the bee propolis then?  kindly explain where the flaw is ......

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it could be a trigger because of the sugars in.... but the propolis is *the* enzymatic
bombe for better immunsystem but may trigger also... just you the O's with allergies;
and even for *anti-aging-products of all kind
candida is in need of sugar for its own growth... so far   sorry

I'll bet for propolis but may depending of the kind of bacteries to kill for ....but sorry with candida...I've got my little problems to solve in my head because I dont' think that it might help against candida.....but perhaps other fungii
John- I am sorry must have a look into my super-books... I've a lack here will get you later for this and give a report
I remain isa
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Alek well done.
Very well informed.
Do you remember in what kind of form you were taking it as a child?
See you soon.
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aaaand John sorry couldn't resiste didn't saw the *holy books* until now.. but it seems it depends :































              on their bloodtype (bee's btd )  

   they procure their salivatest directly with the pollen = propolis is done! bang........
  but..... what is in their saliva...... depends on ......  
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Agapimeni Ion, my mother knew honey keeper and was getting it fresh, and was making syrop, now it is tincture and here you get them in the pharmacy.
We can search together in Athens.
Isa, the best propolis i ever bought was in your country.

yaamanaki still searching bee milk but so far have no information through my honey book. Will ask the guy that has bees in the village.

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As a kid I used to get it in small brown lumps - I had to chew on it when I was having a sore throat or the flue.
It worked really well. However it was rather strong tasting- so maybe modern kids prefer unheated honey?
I have plenty of both propelis and honey
Here we can still buy it at the pharmacy
BTW A large study is peformed at one of the leading univercity hospitals here that show that honey spread on very bad wounds are far better than any other "chemical" -the docs are SO impressed- it works better than antibiotic creams.... I kind of want to say " I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU SO... BUT IT is great that thery finally look into the knowledge our forfathers/mothers had.


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Back sometime in the 70's I read about how raw honey could be smeared on surgical amputations and there would be no infections.  I think this was done during wars, or early America, or someplace there were no other alternatives.  But, it worked.  I also read about the use of raw honey, a small drop in the eye to treat a stye.  I have used it for that purpose several times in years past, and it works admirably!  Stings like the dickens for a minute, and then stops, but the next morning the stye would be gone (and the eye would be super sticky ).

I have used it for burns and it helps, although I prefer cold water soak follow by salt for this purpose.  

That was a very interesting site on Really Raw Honey, John.  I wouldn't doubt the healing properties of honey at all, except for that one thing....candida.  Even though the enzymes might actually help digest and kill the yeast, I am concerned about the high sugars feeding them and perhaps counterbalancing the beneficial effects.



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Quoted from Victoria
I have used it for burns and it helps, although I prefer cold water soak follow by salt for this purpose.  

Victoria Have you ever heard of Saint Johns wort oil?
Maybe you know it as Saint Johns balsam.
It is red colour oil which is fantastic for burns.
It is very useful to be around the house.
I recommend.
Ion





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Okay!

I worry about the fact that honey is listed as an AVOID for O nonnies! I hear what John is saying about the heating and sugar changes. (Regrigeration changes carbos in potatoes, simplifying them into sugars by the way.) How can I, an O- nonnie with candida, get around the AVOID-ness of honey, as per Dr. D., regardless of it's state? Should I be putting AVOID sugars in my body?

Hey! I want to believe it. I think this product - in fact all bee products, are extremely powerful. Propolis is the antifungal, etc.... This product claims to have propolis in it, and it probably does, but does that offset the sugars? Are these sugars safe for candida because they're unheated?
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Hi Victoria,

from what I understand, candida is indeed a persistent and difficult fungus for human beings.  However it is very much akin to other fungi types and so, it may be just one of many, many fungi types.

So when I understand that this honey is anti-fungal, this includes candida ... unless there were specific studies that said there was an 'exception with candida'.  I've not heard of one ... not even the hint of one.  All the FEAR about the sugars in honey would actually promote candida do not make this a fact.

There are indeed two kinds of honey (and in the USA, these can both be called: raw) - one is unheated honey (these rather rare types) such as at Really Raw Honey and Don's recommended-site http://www.honeygardens.com/htherapy.html ; the other (which is at most hfs) can be heated until the honey is liquid and can be filtered.  This heating seems rather 'low', but is high enough to kill all the enzymes found naturally in the honey and also alters the chemical structure of the sugars in honey.  These altered sugars would feed candida overgrowths.  To say that 'all' honey deserves such a warning label, may actually ahave us avoid one of the best anti-fungal agents that exists.

we must be vigilant in our choosing ..........

John


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and perhaps are there also secretors and nonnie-bees who knows
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Dr. D knows if it's for nonnies or not - it's in the LR4YT book and TYPEBase 4 database that way anyway. I wish John had addressed this in his post, the no honey for O and AB nonnies versus what most people think of as honey and Really Raw Honey.

As far as Candida, I just found, with the flick of a mouse of course, these websites with studies about honey and Candida, using candida honey as my search term.

Here is one site. http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/foods_view/1,1523,283,00.html

Here is a study that found in testing 3 types of raw honey from South Africa, one of them only did actually inhibit the growth of Candida after raising it initially. The others two raised it and inhibited it as well but not down to or below it's original level. However, it's unclear if it was heated at all since in the study it says that the samples were brought directly from the hive by apiarists and were "not subjected to any excessive heating." However, the methodology of this experiment, sitting 24 hours in  a tube, makes me wonder if one could possibly expect the same or similar results in the human digestive track, hardly an inert environment.

http://www.edpsciences.org/articles/apido/pdf/2001/04/theunissen.pdf?access=ok

Otherwise, a cursory web search presented a plethora of what must be prevailing conventional wisdom about avoiding honey when suffering from Candida. John mentions "All the FEAR about the sugars in honey would actually promote candida do not make this a fact." Nor does it make it fiction - just unproven. However, the second study above shows both to be true but only after testing it specifically, depending on the honey, but not at all relating it to the environment of the human digestive track.

I guess without scientific evidence about Really Raw Honey, it's just a hunch, unless someone has actual experience with their own Candida and Really Raw Honey to report as at least anecdotal evidence.
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Ion,  I have heard of St. Johnswort, but I have not seen nor used the oil.  Sounds useful......anything that is good for burns must be a good thing to have around the house.

Actually, now that I think a moment, I have used an olive oil/beeswax salve that has St. Johnswort among other herbs for healing all kinds of skin irritations.

John,
These are considerations worth thinking about.  
I sure don't know the final answer on the Raw honey for candida question, but I can certainly see the difference in honey being heated even a little bit vs honey that is totally raw, and thus very rich in enzymes, among other naturally existing agents that have to be raw in order to still exist.



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Thanks Markyd,

I had never checked the database myself ... I was relying on a post that said honey was an O (both sec and nonnie neutral).  I assume (perhaps falsely) that the rating follows the description of said product.  In this description ... the Really Raw Honey would likely fit under the 'chunky' catagorizing.  The listing at the right makes no allowance beteen heated and unheated varieties ... because the description talks about cooking with honey and re-liquifying by placing in a microwave.

I have run into this problem before ... I'm afraid Dr D does not know everything (nor have the SPACE TO WRITE ABOUT ALL THE SUBLITIES HE DOES KNOW) about all foods.  There are certain foods that undergo unusual changes while being processed these days.  Honey seems to be one of them.  Milk is another ... cabbage as sauerkraut is yet one more.  I rely somewhat on researchers from other sites and a dose of common sense.  Dr D nor I am trying to be a savior-of-mankind.  His directions for me are promising clues.  These are not doctrinaire distinctions that are rigidly followed.

If I chose to live on the 'fringe', trying to expand our diet... that's what I choose.  BTW ... all BTD is anecdotal ... when you apply certain scientific-rigidity.

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Victoria.
I make my own.
During summer the Saint John wort is blooming.
Take the little yellow flowers with a bit of the stem an leaves but mainly flowers and place them in a bottle then you fill the bottle up with olive oil.
Let is stay under sun for a month(even less) and you have the balsam ready.
Strain it put in dark glass bottle. It lasts for ever works wonders on burns and has a lot of other uses.
I have friends that they are using it to massage their painful knees or joints. They claim is very comforting.
I try it mostly on burns.
I don't know how the flora is where you live, but if you have it, is worth trying it.
If don’t, then some hfs may have it.
With my love
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Thanks Markyd,

I had never checked the database myself ... I was relying on a post that said honey was an O (both sec and nonnie neutral).  I assume (perhaps falsely) that the rating follows the description of said product.  In this description ... the Really Raw Honey would likely fit under the 'chunky' catagorizing.  The listing at the right makes no allowance beteen heated and unheated varieties ... because the description talks about cooking with honey and re-liquifying by placing in a microwave.

I have run into this problem before ... I'm afraid Dr D does not know everything (nor have the SPACE TO WRITE ABOUT ALL THE SUBLITIES HE DOES KNOW) about all foods.  There are certain foods that undergo unusual changes while being processed these days.  Honey seems to be one of them.  Milk is another ... cabbage as sauerkraut is yet one more.  I rely somewhat on researchers from other sites and a dose of common sense.  Dr D nor I am trying to be a savior-of-mankind.  His directions for me are promising clues.  These are not doctrinaire distinctions that are rigidly followed.

If I chose to live on the 'fringe', trying to expand our diet... that's what I choose.  BTW ... all BTD is anecdotal ... when you apply certain scientific-rigidity.

John



This is the same question as a post I had not long ago


I'm curious about how the form the food is in affects the reaction of lectins on specific blood types.  I firmly believe that a food cooked is basically an entirely different food from the same food raw which is an entirely different food from the same food sprouted or fermented.  So what form have foods been tested in?  And for example as a type A I cannot have cabbage, but can I have raw saurkraut with enzymes intact, same things go for meat, could I have raw beef or buffulo.  If sprouted wheat is ok, why wouldn't saurkraut they are undergoing the same process  




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Hi Laura,

When writing anything it is quite a job deciding what should be written about and at the same time not to be too offensive and making thing very short quite often cuts off many nuances.  So I assume Dr D faces the same constraints - most folks would dismiss the work as shear folly if Dr D had written that ALL modern foods that we eat, lead to early death.  I mean, would anyone even bother reading his ideas?  And then (especially if someone else edits) many of the sublities of the ideas get thrown in the waste basket because all together these pose a distraction from the main ideas.

There is an article I read on the net  ... I had googled: neurotoxicity multiple sclerosis diet drinks.  Sure enough up pops this article that strongly points-the-blame for much of modern cases of ms in Louisianna to diet drinks.  Since the author doesn't want to be sued for defamation by Monsanto (the only firm making the ingredients for 'diet' beverages) and spending time (read: years) in court just defending himself, he has a lot of written space defending Monstanto.  So I can only bow to Dr D's courage to try this 'impossible task' of pleasing everyone.

So where does this situation leave us ... you, me and many others?  What seems right because our processing is different from modern techniques is caution.  After BTD-avoid and taking Deflect, we become quite sensitive to personal avoids ... so re-introduce small amounts of these foods but as you have processed them and see how you react.

For instance, homemade sauerkraut is packed with enzymes, etc ... but you want to see if this is a personal avoid or not ... after a sensitizing process ... try a little.  There are a wide array of  foods that seem to come under this catagory ... unheatyed honey seems to be one.  ... for this try blending it with your raw veggies ... meat/fish raw, maybe freeze them first (like what happens in winter killing parasites) and marinating with such things as clove first, then blend the raw meat with unheated honey.

I haven't tried this and know some people on this board would balk at such a suggestion.  What would be the reaction to Dr D's work, if he had written this?  ... with no science or practical anecdotal evidence ???????????

John


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Lamb is a good example for me, when I eat cooked lamb I get terrible gas, when I eat raw lamb it goes down magically and acts some what medicinal for me



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I just bought a small jar of certified organic raw honey from my local HFS.  It is Y.S. Organic Bee Farms brand.  http://www.ysorganic.com/

I'm looking forward to trying it.


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I, too just bought a jar of Really Raw Honey from Whole Foods.  I had it w/ peanut butter and Ezekiel last night.  Really good and very calming to my stomach..........


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I've been in denial about my candida, but the spit test has brought me back to reality.

I've eliminated all grains, processed sugar, (aprox. two months) now I need to eliminate my dried fruit (dried mango is a favorite).

For a little over one week, I've been taking the following on an empty stomach, once in the morning and once before I go to bed:

2 O Polyflora
2 O Polyvite
2 Caprylic acid (400mg ea)
2 Garlic (600mg ea)
2 UDA Plus

Today, I've added 2 Bromelain to the mix.

I'm hoping I see some signifigant results in a month.  Mr. KK did the spit test, and he did have tendrils, but not nearly the mass that I have.  Mr. KK is slow on the uptake to admit that he might have candida.  He wan'ts to know of any other way to test for this.  He also wants to find on the web some photos or descriptions of what the spit should look like if there is NO candida infestation.

I think he's just unwilling to give up his  two Ezekiel hamburger buns he has each morning with his Trader Joe's chicken sausage, covered in butter.  He's emotionally attached to that food.


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I'm hoping some of the candida experts will chime in here.

Can we have agave syrup/nectar, or is that too much carb?
Can we have vegetable glycerin?
Can we have mangos?

I read on one of the sites CarolineC posted about the diet foods acceptable, and it does say berries are okay.  So, would that mean blueberries an raspberries would be okay, even though we are supposed to give up all fruit?

TIA!


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