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cyn
Friday, June 10, 2005, 7:57pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I'm new at this. - Found out about 2 months ago that my son has candida.  Treatment is frustrating - and now we're trying Threelac along with blood diet A.  Question is - How much should I modify the A diet for the candida?  Grains are a mainstay of A's but candida diet says stay away from too many grains.  I should also mention that this kid is already quite thin.  Eliminating the grains would mean even more weight loss for him.  Anyone had any experience with threelac and A diet together?
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Hi cyn,

In ER4YT DR. D makes a reference to this subject. Once more I have given out my book and can not quote.  

Dr. D. does mention that the term that "grains are not good for candida" is based on 1 diet for everyone. Type A's could further weaken their inmune system (less strenght to fight the candida) by following this recomendation.

Experts will be posting with good recommendations any time.

Best of luck and welcome.



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cyn,
If you click into member center, then avatar settings, you can select a blood
type avatar, if you'd like an easy way to share your type.
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Same as cyn: In a candida situation, as an A, should I avoid beneficial or neutral fruit or sugar in general (even honey or molasses) ? Anything specific like the problem O's have with fruit?
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Thanks Susana.  I didn't remember reading that.  Which book was it?  Do you recall if he mentions anything about peanut butter.  PB is specifically mentioned in all candida diets as being an absolute avoid. - and yet it's a beneficial for an A.  Also,  Gotainer asked a good question about fruit.  Avoid all sugars with candida, even beneficials - or just avoid white suger, molasses, honey, etc.?
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cyn,
I believe the peanut butter in stores is an avoid, because of the additives, glucose and hidrogenated oils...etc.
if you find organic one without sugar perhaps, that would do.
or make your own....very tasty!)


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I'm not sure if anyone's asked this question, but can you ever get rid of candida if you've got amalgam fillings?  I've got some (and also think I've got candida) but I know if will be a LONG time before I get rid of the fillings, if ever at all.  Is it just a losing battle to fight this thing??  


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cyn
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lola,  peanut and peanut butter are an avoid for all candida diets - I think they feed the yeast.  I would love to give my son organic peanut butter but don't want to do anything wrong with the candida.  Any thoughts on eating pb and beneficial fruits?  Also, has anyone done the diet with this threelac product?
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I d be intrested in Caroline and Debra s oppinion on this, since they both have been fighting candida all along.

what do you think of avoiding all nuts?


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lola-The one thing I do agree with you is the store bought brand is loaded with sugar and avoids.  I did and still eat nuts and butters (homemade).  Not alot as they are high in fat and I am trying to get rid of that myself.  I don't know what the natural sugar content of nuts are.  And remember, peanuts are a legume.  

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thanks debra!


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Quoted from cyn
Thanks Susana.  I didn't remember reading that.  Which book was it?  Do you recall if he mentions anything about peanut butter.


IN Eat Right 4 Your Type. Towards the end on the book where he cover some comon ailments. It is a two paragrah coment and does not mention PB or fruit. Can't remember what he says on sugar.

I have to buy the book again. I keep on buying it and and just inmediately I meet someone who can benefit and is interested... and there goes my book

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cyn,

I thinkI can help here some.  first of all, PB is not allowed in the diet  due to the high levels of mold in them....mold  and fungus along with sugars are the  things you wnt to  RUN from.  
I have eating a little  almond butter, because following this cadida diet I have lost  way to much weight. to be honest it si a very strict  diet. Regarding grains the only thing that you should have a little of  after a  time of  treatment is brown rice.  Fruits are absolutely out!  As are mushrooms,  honey, actually any sugars. Vegetable glycerin is OK. You have to think about  cadida as a  growing yeat organism. it needs  certain things to  grow, live and survive. The  restricted diet is to start to starve it. and trust me in its own way it get s very  "mad", that is where the  sugar craving come in.
How old  is your son?   I would suggest veggies and non avoids meats and fish.
It is truly a battle of sorts....Dr. D has a very good yeast protocol for candida..I would start there.  Is  your son also  fighting constipation?  that is  common and I am dealing with this myself and I am still experimenting with  what works for me.  
Of  course you can go the medical route and take  the persribed medications. but  the drawback to  that is that you really feel awful during the process, and it doesn't teach you how to continue prtecting your system from it. it is vitual  to keep your flora n good shape, during and after  candida.
here are some links  that include  the diets...i used them in the beginning and  took off anything that was BTD avoid for me.
http://www.wholeapproach.com/
http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/index.html
please feel free to ask a question anytime...it really is a day by day learing  experience.
Good luck!
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Quoted from CarolineC
You have to think about  candida as a  growing yeat organism. it needs  certain things to  grow, live and survive. The  restricted diet is to start to starve it. and trust me in its own way it get s very  "mad", that is where the  sugar craving come in.


So back my previous post: should you try to go without food for a while along with some antifungal remedies like grapefruit seed extract?
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Will candida make us more reactive to alcohol?

Might not be that strange, since it's alcohol, but I get a brain fog from just ONE glass of red wine.. Is that normal?

It's just lately that I've had one glass of wine and stopped there - before it was more like when I drink I drink etc, but since starting here in uni it has become more usual to just have a glass.. I still party from time to time, only drinking red wine now though.   Anyways, how much of a brain fog are you suppose to get from just one glass of red wine?

Just thought it might have something to do with the candida since someone said that it will also give you cravings for alcohol in a previous post..


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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From what I remember of the yeast info I read, alcohol would be an avoid, with sugar being the BIGGEST. Sugar actually FEEDS the yeast, not to mention we'd be better off if we could ONLY avoid it altogether.    Very tough to do!



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Tell me about it :/

I want to start fighting that horror within, but I've read that not pleasing it makes you feel very tired all the time etc, so guess I better try that after I'm done with the exams.. Only two more weeks to go though

Is it possible to fight the candida by just avoiding stuff eating the wrong things etc, or do we have to get any specific supplements or similar?
..I read some pages selling things to take while fighting candida, but is it neccessary?


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Thanks to all.  It's really comforting to talk with others who understand problems.

Caroline - you mention Dr. D's candida protocol.  Where would I find that?

Susana - I too can't find my book but the only thing I recalled was a mention of candida under the O section and it just said to follow the appropriate diet.  I don't think it mentioned any additional restrictions.

Anyone out there do threelac?  Yes, the grapefruit seed extract and garlic were working, but taking oh so long and causing incredible gas (mainly upper digestive tract) with just a fraction of a dose and my son was just losing too much weight.  Threelac says you can be a litte lax on your foods and still have success. ???  Any thoughts?  
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Hi cyn
have ou done the candida spit test yet?
i too have done other candida protocols but am now doing threelac with its enzymes & oxi(something?) to blast the little beggars.like all things it takes time which us o's are notorious for wanting to hurry up i like three lac it has a lovely fresh lemon taste & when i eat it i'm imagining lemon cheesecake yum   well a nonnie can dream cant they 'sigh'
i also use citricidal(g/seed extract) which i figured 1)i already had it why waste it? & 2) lets blast them beggars let them know i mean business.
However its hard i find symptoms come & go i suppose in line with as the candida slowly dies off.today the skin on my hands feels extremely dry & tight.
Body brushing i find very good.its very encouraging to brush & see the dust fly off.i imagine its the candida coming off & i brush a bit harder & imagine its me & my light sabre coming after the rotten sith Hee Hee i know getting carried away
hope it helps you


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Caroline - I just checked out the website yeastintectionadvisor and see they say it's okay to eat sour cream (from real cream), cream cheese, and butter.  This is so confusing because other sites say candida diet shouldn't include those things.  I'm looking for higher calories foods.  I notice that you used almond butter for that reason, but  my son is an A and shouldn't have almonds.  Any suggestions? - Are you eating all your good oils for your constipation?
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debs,  sounds like you like the threelac.  We just started it 2 days ago and I think I'm going to do the same thing you are - when this gas situtation gets better, add the anti fungal back in.  But how do you know when the overgrowth is completely gone?  Even after you feel better - how long to continue, and on what - probiotics, anti fungals or both?
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cyn, I'm not sure which list you are looking at, but almonds are neutral for A's UNLESS he, individually, has a reaction to them. I looked in the TYPEbase4 on this site, link is located on the home page.
debs in your last post you said "i also use citricidal(g/seed extract)", by g/seed, you mean grapefruit seed extract, correct? Just wanted to make the clarification for others that havent read all the other threads re: this, so they don't mistakenly think that meant grapeseed extract.  



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italybound,

 you're right.  thanks for the correction.  Almonds are neutral, as is almond butter.  I'll try that for the added calories.  For the last few days I've been doing almost all (95%) super beneficials but of course that can't be kept up for too long. - Also, regarding  grapefruit seed extract -

debs - how is that working?  Are you taking the full dose per day?
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and what would the full dose of g/seed extract be per day?
cyn, thank goodness almond butter is neutral for O's too. I would be lost w/o some kind of butter. Would love to find walnut butter, but no luck. Not brave enough to make my own. I know someone out there knows how, tho.    Do you need a food processor or can you use a blender?



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italybound-throw some walnuts and olive oil/grapeseed oil in your food processor/blender and whirl around to the texture you like and voila-instant walnut butter.  Just put a bit of oil in in the beginning and when it is churning up you can add the oil to the consistency you like.  Pumpkin seeds, almonds, etc.-the same.  Less expensive this way also.  Enjoy.  

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