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gotainer
Wednesday, June 8, 2005, 1:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi everyone!
I'm glad I coulf find so much info about candida from both Os and As.
I'm wondering whether going without food for a few days might help, provided one follows a progressive protocol towards it.
Also I would like to know if any of you heard of Neem extract, Charcoal, Organic germanium and Lactoferrin, for all of these seem to have good antifungal effetcs plus several other beneficial effects.
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gotainer, I personally don't see how going w/o food for a few days would help. That won't get the candida out of your system. Candida is a stubborn yeast. You'll need help getting rid of that.  
I have heard of people taking charcoal tablets to absorb the "ick" in their systems and then it's carried out in, well, you know..............     Have never tried it myself.



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I had candida a couple of years ago.  I started seeing a Natropath for low energy, depression, and eventually, started me on the yeast busters program, which is where I started giving up so much of the "bad" foods I had been eating, including sugar.  After  a few months on Yeast Busters, I continued with Olive Leaf and acidophilus daily, and then after awhile, I used other things prescribed by my ND.

I eventually gave up Olive Leaf as it started to cause some nasty stuff in my system and I was getting really sick from it.  Kept up the Primal Defence for a couple of years.  It seems that when I bloat now, it is from digestive problems, not candida.  So, I'll be looking to start back on something for that.  I also had tests done back then and confirmed  candida and a few other little critters!

I did the spit test not long ago and was pleased to see that it floated - yeah!  All that hard work and money, has paid off!  It took awhile, but worth it.  From there, although I felt better, when BTD fell into my lap, that is when dramatic changes to my health and energy began.  I committed to staying off of foods that I had started to eat again (wheat for example), and new foods that I was eating alot of while on Yeast Busters (tomatoes, pasta, potatoes to name a few), and now eat tons better - whole foods.


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Candida-yep.  Had a live blood analysis test done in April and one of my results was candida.  Just around the time of getting these results the candida test was posted and I tried it.  I felt like you, Bettycakes, the spit was growing tendrils before it even hit the water.     Bought some of Dr. D's supplements through the advice of IfHI expert Mike/the blogger and have been taking them for over a month now.  Did the spit test the other day, and yeeeeeaaaaaayyyyy, the spit stayed on top.  Even after half an hour.  For the first week and a half I did omit fruits to help the supplements along, but couldn't handle it after that.  Missed my banana, mango, blueberry, pineapple juice smoothies in the morning.  Although, I don't tend to have them every day now.  And...feeling soooooooo much better.  Every time I turn around this diet is helping me more and more.        

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Debra,
Which supplements did you take from Dr. D for the Candida?
Thanks
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debra,
can you share the protocol that worked for you?
I m sure many can benefit from your experience.
By 'protocol' I mean, what you ate and took as supplements...etc


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Debra,
I am also curious...I have been battling it for  about 2 months now. (Been battling it my whole life, just realized it 2months ago) I stopped taking the  product I was on. At that point I was totally clear. I am totally "anal" about my diet, so thats not it. but this morning there was  a little tiny tendril, that after about 15 seconds  vanished, but never the less it was there. I would like to take a prophylactic, besides  my probotic, which I take  alot of. I feel GREAT other than the spit test. I think  am just a  yeast machine!!  
thanks for your input!
Caroline


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For candida-polyflora O and ara6.  Eating as compliantly and beneficial as possible to the O diet. Lots of protein and veggies(lots of greens especially) and heavy exercise.  Gym one day 6 a.m. and biking 8 km the next.  Also, taking the 90 lb. lab/husky dog "Tank" for a brisk 40 minute walk everyday. No fruit for the first week and a half to keep the sugar down.  Hardly any grains except for rice once in a while.  Lot's of green tea and lot's of water with sea salt and lemon juice.   Also taking the following supplements:
          polyvite O-heart problems
          deflect O and quercitin-liver
          polyflora O and fucus plus(did not receive this one until last week)-detox
          pytocal O-multi-mineral
          harmonia-vital greens (did not receive this one until last week-first day I took it I had so much energy I had to make myself go to bed-had liver that day too though)
          bromelain-this is one of the best.    Almost all of achiness was gone except for in the mornings when I first woke up.  Mike suggested I up my intake to two before bed along with my flaxseed oil. Took about a week, but no achiness in joints when I wake up now.  

So-there you have it.  All combined has probably helped with the candida problem and hopefully the other problems that I have.  Still have to do a Heidi flush one of these days when I can find some time.  Hope that this has helped.  

Debra

P.S. Must not forget the  "Sip Right 4 Your Type" tea.  It has a wonderful blend that is just yummalicious.    

And...almost forgot-Protein Blend O.  I am trying not to take this too much and sticking mostly to whole foods.  Trying to keep this for times when I don't have anything ready made or when out of town and kitchen access is not too handy.
                                               


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thanks for the detailed protocol debra!)


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Debra...WOW I am so overwhelmed   , Can I purchase all this a a natural food store, like Whole Foods???
Ok..the eating thing I have been following without missing a beat for 2 months. (I am not a great choice to take to a Italian Restruant thats for sure!) The fruit thing is undercontrol, I have hardly hard any. an I am a basically grain free person anyways. The only reason I have had any rice at all, is because the weight loss  from this  is getting VERY serious at this point and freaking out everyone who is close to me.
One question I have is  should your spit be absoultely clear ever day? and if it isn't, do you bring out the heavy  armour?
I finished my course of  Candiase, which is what I was put on about a week ago....still eating compliant, taking 2 probotics three times a day, 2 tablespoon of ground flaxseed and 2 tablespoons of flaxseed oil a day.
I have a REALLY sensitive stomache, so I have to becareful of adding a bunch of stuff at one time. the oregano oil landed me in the ER.
I am beginning to feel crazy..seriously.  I can't seems to  get my arms around this thing. and I know being a R.N. isn't helping because I am used to "fixing" things. the things you described...seem WAY different from the yeast  protocol Dr. D. suggest.    Oh exercise isn't an issue either, I  workout in some form 6 days a week. Being a O, I have to!  
thank you for taking the time with me on this.


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One thing that I did learn from the live blood analysis tech is that before anything else could be fixed is that I had to get rid of the candida.  She said that once that was gone everything else would be easier to heal.  

CarolineC-I would have no idea what to tell you to buy in a HFS to help you with this.  My suggestion is to just order the products from NAP and go from there.  Why go through the middle man when you can go to the top.  

Hope this helps.

Debra

P.S.  Weighed myself this morning and I am down 3lbs.  Have not lost any weight since last July 2004.  Lots of shifting of the body though and I have lots of muscle, I realize that, but the ol' tummy needs to go.  Yeah, I know, do the tummy crunches, blah.


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Hi all and thanks for sharing some more infos about candida.
Italybound, the reason I was asking about going without food is that I read several articles about it in naturopathic journals stating that when your body is off food, it concentrates all its energy on the work to be done to restore maximum health, whatever condition you have . That's why some private hospitals and hospitals use it to treat and cure serious diseases like cancer or even multiple sclerosis. When under medical supervision, the non eating period can last up to several weeks (only a few days when on your own).
So basically I'm wondering what that would do in a candida situation.

Also I would like to say that for many years I wasn't able to comply to any serious diet (not even BTD) because of the cravings, so an anti candida diet wasn't an option (didn't know I had it anyway!). Then I started taking 5-htp and Tyrosin and since then, I have been able to eat only vegetables and rice and even enjoy it!
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Quoted from Bettycakes
I've taken grapefruit seed extract in the past to fight colds and flu and it was soooooo very bitter, the only way I found to ingest it was with fruit juice, which I assume is forbidden on a anti-candida diet.


Bettycakes, Grapefruit Seed Extract is available in pill form from (I believe) the original maker, GSE.  Each pill is equivalent to 14-15 drops of GSE, which I am convinced no one could consume in liquid form, due to the bitterness.  They are not perfect.  I know they contain corn, which A's can usually have some of.  But I seldom take more than 2-3 doses of the stuff in a matter of a few days.

Another wonderful Candida combination for A's is Candicin by Genestra Brands.  They are Manufactured in England for Seroyal International Inc (Toronto Canada).  It contains Oregano Oil, Clove Oil, Wormwood Extract, Ginger Extract and Evening Primrose Oil in a 100% vegetable capsule, suitable for vegatarians, vegans and type A's.  I think only doctors can order from Seroyal, but that could have changed.  My BTD doc/homeopath/ND carrys this in her clinic.  I usually use this at the first sign of anything remotely feeling like Candida.  I truly believe just sniffing the bottle starts to kill those little buggers!  It's very strong.  They recommend 1 capsule 2x daily with meals.  There are 60 capsules in a bottle and they run around $15.00US.


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Good Point about GRAPE SEED EXTRACT VS. GRAPE FRUIT SEED EXTRACT.  I have only used the GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT so I can't speak for the seeds of GRAPES as being an anti-Candida remedy.

I think these two are VERY commonly mistaken for one another.  I have told people to buy GSE (which is made from GrapeFRUIT seeds) and they have purchased the other (Grape Seed extract) only to call me and say it didn't do anything.  Then we realized the mistake and corrected it.

I reapeat though, that I have never used Grape Seed extract and am not familiar with it's uses.

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Quoted from jillthepilllady
Another wonderful Candida combination for A's is Candicin by Genestra Brands.  They are Manufactured in England for Seroyal International Inc (Toronto Canada).  It contains Oregano Oil, Clove Oil, Wormwood Extract, Ginger Extract and Evening Primrose Oil in a 100% vegetable capsule, suitable for vegatarians, vegans and type A's. .


Word of warning to anyone w/ arthritis. This product contains Wormwood and according to my sister-in-law who used a parasite cleanse product that contained this,   wormwood will flair arthritis symtoms in a big way. So no, this isn't personal info, but something to look in to before using IF you have arthritis. I think I may give this product  a try tho. Thanks Jill



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caroline i notice you mentioned you use flaxseed & flaxseed oil plus you have a sensitive tum.have you ever noticed a sensitive tum in conjunction with the oil? only i recall Dr D saying non's dont tolerate oil as well as secretors thats why we have less servings.However i too seem to notice digestive probs if i have too much oil (& even that isnt much) just a thought)


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Hi, I am new. I recently started following the BTD as well as Candida diet for most of my meals/snacks. I'm also taking probiotics. I have yet to take anything to get rid of the yeast, although I do have some Candidase that I am going to start taking soon. This thread has been very helpful.

My question is, what all symptoms have you had when you've started on Candida detox? My legs have been really achy today, and there's really no reason for it. I wondered if that was a symptom.

Thanks.
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Sarah, from my experience, your achy legs could be from eating something you shouldn't or you could be low in calcium. Or it could be something else.  



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Thanks. I'm new to this, so I don't think it's the calcium thing (I was all about dairy before). I took a calcium supplement this morning, so if that is the case, maybe it will go away soon. I definitely could have eaten something I shouldn't have. I'm trying to thing of any avoid I've eaten in the past few days that I don't normally eat.

Oh, I did have a lot of red meat yesterday, and I used to rarely ever eat it. I wonder if my body is just not used to it.
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gem77, even tho "you were all about dairy before", I wouldn't necessarily discount the calcium thing. As dairy is something that is an avoid for O's, the fact that you were eating it could have been throwing all kinds of other things off. When I had my hair analysis, my calcium was off the charts. Good? No. It meant the calcium I was taking and eating was not being ABSORBED by my body. Also, the KIND of calcium supplement you take makes a lot of difference. I was NAP Phytocal and I take it before bed.
Your body could be having a reaction to a lot of red meat all at once if it's not used to it. This eating right for your blood type thing takes a lot of "deciphering".    Alot of paying attention to exactly how your body reacts to what you are eating and drinking. Worth every minute of "paying attention".  



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Also, the KIND of calcium supplement you take makes a lot of difference.

I'm not sure what I take. What kind should I be taking? And I should take it with a meal, right?

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caroline i notice you mentioned you use flaxseed & flaxseed oil plus you have a sensitive tum.have you ever noticed a sensitive tum in conjunction with the oil? only i recall Dr D saying non's dont tolerate oil as well as secretors thats why we have less servings.However i too seem to notice digestive probs if i have too much oil (& even that isnt much) just a thought)


Deb..
Funny you bring that up. I haven't had any reaction to the oil, but I have to say its not doing all that much for the  constipation. so, I added the  flaxseed that I grind myself.  Now thats a different story.. BLOAT  badly. and I don't feel good after I eat it. so, not sure I will continue. Lola suggested senna tea, but I am a little afraid considering I have such a sensitive stomach. Frankly I am "going" more...but  it is still rabbit pellets. I am really at my  wits end on this.. To be totally honest with you, when I was taking Citrucel, I did much better, but it  full of C**P.
Caroline



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What kind should I be taking? And I should take it with a meal, right?


what I take is at this link:  (this is on the NAP site)
http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=BT007O

The bottle does say to take them w/ a meal, but I take them before bed, so basically on an empty stomach, but well, not really for me as we eat late and go to bed early.  I've seen a lot of people on here mention they take them at bedtime. Helps them to sleep better.

When I was having problems w/ my legs, my calcium was very low. They hurt so much they would keep me awake at night. Started taking some calcium/magnesium and poof!  legs all better.   My chiro helped me out w/ this one. Also had no leusin (energy). That would've been because my iron was in the toilet. He helped me out on that one too. For what is it we need MEDICAL doctors?  Oh, oh, yes, there are some things............................  



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Deb..Funny you bring that up. I haven't had any reaction to the oil, but I have to say its not doing all that much for the  constipation. so, I added the  flaxseed that I grind myself.  Now thats a different story.. BLOAT  badly. and I don't feel good after I eat it. so, not sure I will continue. Lola suggested senna tea, but I am a little afraid considering I have such a sensitive stomach. Frankly I am "going" more...but  it is still rabbit pellets. I am really at my  wits end on this.. To be totally honest with you, when I was taking Citrucel, I did much better, but it  full of C**P. Caroline


Maybe Melissa J will jump in here and help you, as she is a nonnie too.  Good luck. Those rabbit pellets aren't much fun. My g'daughters have them alot. From all the junk they eat. Sugar, dairy, wheat, did I mention sugar and junk???  Just drives me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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Maybe Melissa J will jump in here and help you, as she is a nonnie too.  Good luck. Those rabbit pellets aren't much fun. My g'daughters have them alot. From all the junk they eat. Sugar, dairy, wheat, did I mention sugar and junk???  Just drives me nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



italy,

i don't have grandchildren, still raising my own, but I do know the frustration of watching people you love eat junk!. thank you ....and your right, rabbit pellets are for RABBITS!  
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