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TheViking
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Hallois

I don't have any die-off experience yet, but will probably have soon. This week I decided to stop eating rice and oats, which I think is more or less all needed to be removed from my current diet in order to start bugging those critters..

Please keep posting all your new experiences from the battle Caroline, since it makes for really interested reading. Last night I reread the whole thread and it made me realise I might have been killing some critters earlier also, but then figured out I could have oats and rice and that made me unknowingly loose the battle - which I didn't know was occuring at the time, just realised reading this thread and some of the mentioned candida pages that I've had die off symptoms and started changing my diet because I thought something was wrong.. :/

Caroline: Did you do the colon cleansing thing first? ..reading and seeing the pictures of those parasites sounds really scary :| If you did that cleanse thing, did you ever experience anything like that?

I was planning on going on a gluten diet first, since then I could get it shown if I'm coeliac or not, but then I found out that any tests taken outside norway would probably not be accepted by the government as proof (there is a food support thing for coeliacs and other people who have to keep a more expensive food budget to keep well, that's why I would need the test to be accepted by the government..). So now I will not think more about the gluten side of my problems until I come back to norway and see then if I still think it's coeliac disease and if I need a positive diagnosis. In the mean time, for the next 4 months, I'll start fighting the war of the yeast - and maybe in the end I don't really have coeliac nor crohn's - time will show

I did send a long e-mail to Archer yesterday (figured out it was archer after rereading the thread), so if he ever gets through the whole e-mail (sorry it got that long) and comes with any suggestions I'll follow them ..I think I forgot to mention in the e-mail that I've done the spit test though and got heaps of tendrils coming down really quickly. That's about a month ago though, and tomorrow I'll be sure to do a retest, but my cravings tell me it's still pretty bad :/


The part about getting hungry again almost immediately after eating is a problem I've had also lately. I'll try upping the proteins though as you did with success - come to think about it that problem probably started/increased when I lowered the meat portion and upped the vegetables because I tried to match the portion recommendations in LR4YT. According to LR4YT I'm also eating meat way too often, but not sure what else to eat.. Only substitute I've got is fish which I probably don't eat often enough and the protein blend for you type which is great with some mango nectar, almons, walnuts, pumpkin seed, frozen blueberries.. The blueberries have been replaced with raspberries right now since I couldn't get hold of more frozen blueberries. I also include up to half a banana sometimes, but since I've had intollerance reactions towards it for the last 5 years or so I'm taking that very carefully and will try to increase the amount little by little..


Hmm, another long post :s
Well, thanks to all of you who bother reading my long posts and those who get through half of it


Greetings,
Glenn
- May the battle begin


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Has anybody experienced alot of hearburn with probiotics?  Recently upped the probiotics and heartburn has become a real problem.  I read somewhere that probiotics can do this - but what to do??  Any suggestions?  Thanks all
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Hi glenn,

My experience with colon cleansing was an odd one...Apparently I am very allerigic to Oil of Oregano, which I had no idea. When I started taken the colon cleansing, I had some very painful side effects....being  very focused in doing this, I tried to ignore it. Well, about the  third night of it, I was  laying on the  floor doubled over. Truly had not had that kind of  stomache pain. Even when I suffered with diverticulitis, colitis and IBS. so I ended up in the ER all night. the next day I went to my HP  and she  told me to stop that IF there had been any parasites becauseof my reaction, they  sure were gone. Do you have access to having a stool test done to test for them and  what species you might have?
At this point I would strongly suggest you back off the grains.. it will slow your improvement. Archer is a great guy and helped me more than I can say....his website also gives you the list of foods to avoid. Remember  even if food is in the  refrigerator do not eat leftovers past 24 hours max.
The BTD for O's and the Candida  Diet are  not suprisingly  very similar...just blend them and try to  stay as strict as you can, especially right now that your so infested.
Hope this helped.
Caroline


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Quoted from cyn
Has anybody experienced alot of hearburn with probiotics?  Recently upped the probiotics and heartburn has become a real problem.  I read somewhere that probiotics can do this - but what to do??  Any suggestions?  Thanks all


cyn,
This is puzzling to me, because probotics are given to help GERD....I would love  to read what you found.
Here is information that shows that heartburn is a symptom of Candida....
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We've pretty much discussed how we can get candida, now let's discuss symptoms of candida overgrowth, and they are numerous.  Common symptoms of candida in the GI tract are intermittent diarrhea and constipation, gas, bloating after meals, colitis, heartburn, gastritis, hemorrhoids, headaches and migraines.  In the urogential tract symptoms are chronic vaginitis, PMS, cramping, recurrent kidney and bladder infections, cystitis, endometriosis, urethitis.  Most people with allergies have candida also. This includes hay fever, sinusitis, earaches, hives, asthma, food and chemical sensitivities.  Other symptoms are chronic fatigue, "arthritis", cold hands and feet, numbing or loss of feeling in extremities, increased body hair in women, baldness, nail fungus, food cravings, loss of sexual desire, psoriasis, and acne.  It is because of these diverse symptoms that candida has been called the "Great Imitator".

It came from this website: http://www.parentsofallergicchildren.org/candida1.htm
Caroline


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Here's the website - http://www.ctds.info/acidic-foods.html  About halfway down under heading "probiotics" it says that excess amounts of probiotics may cause heartburn.
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Quoted from cyn
Here's the website - http://www.ctds.info/acidic-foods.html  About halfway down under heading "probiotics" it says that excess amounts of probiotics may cause heartburn.


hmm..I remember you saying you give them to him first thing in the  morning...maybe it would be better to spread them out? and is this new thing? did you change brands?  
this poor kid, it has been something  constantly, I can't image it, he is a very special guy.
Only other thing is not to take them for a couple days and see if  there is  any change. OHH.. has he  eatten any  foods that might attribute to heartburn lately? you might  go over the list that is on that website and see if there is any possiblities.

Hang in there  girl, Caroline


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Hello all.  I'm relatively new to BTD and have read this thread with much interest over the past few days.

I read on another web site that if you're overweight (and I am), you absolutely, positively have candida.  So I did the spit test, and it was positive.  But I have none of the symptoms!  Does this mean I haven't had the candida for that long so it hasn't had a chance to wreak havoc yet, or is this just a testament to my strong B immune system?  I'm really confused.  So should I do the candida protocol or not?  I really don't want to give up my fruits.  I was just starting to enjoy them for the first time in my life.  

Also, would I do well just to take the polyvite, polyflora, phytocal, and deflect?  I was going to order them anyway.

Thanks to all you experts for your advice.  
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I have a question along those same lines....maybe somebody knows. I follow the O non secretor blood type diet strictly, including no sugar or grains. Here's what I'm experiencing:

One day, no tendrils
the next 2 or 3 days, some tendrils so I take 2 caprylic acid tablets on an empty stomach morning and night and 1 clove capsule during the day with lunch and eat no fruit.
then, no tendrils again.

Then, I may have some fruit or almonds....could this be what's bringing the candida back? Am I that susceptible to it...are they lurking?

Am I doing the testing too much by doing it daily?


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annalisbeth74-if you are going to order the polyflora the ARA6 goes with it to help combat Candida.  If you can-order the greater amount of ARA6-1 lb. as I have ordered the 100 grams twice and could still use it.  Candida is very stubborn to get rid of.  

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Another thing-

I was perusing candidasupport.org and read that candida is anaerobic and cannot live in an oxygenated environment.  Has anyone out there tried the Chi machine?  I have one at home and wondered if anyone has used it in their candida protocols.

Also, it said a balanced pH is also hostile to candida and that coral calcium will help with that.  Anyone tried that?  I was thinking about taking it and would like to hear from someone who's been there.

Anna
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I've been following the candida diet for about a week now my body is starting to get sick.. yesterday my sinusitis seemed to return and I started getting a fever and my throat have started hurting and swalling up..

Today I woke up with an extremely soar throat and my nose all clogged up with discharge from time to time.. Am I just sick or can this also be die-off effects?

I've upped my flaxseed oil intake lately and started eating some grapefruit..


Also want to start with some sort of anti-candida supplements, but a custom recipe I got at yeastinfectionadvisor seemed very costly to me, and it's all from the US as well which further increases the cost because I'm in Australia.. The threelac sounds gerat, but Archer's comment about it just being a temporary relief thing and that you'd be back on with symptoms as soon as you stop using it didn't sound very interesting..

So anyone know any australian-available products to help me in this war which won't cost me an arm and a leg?


..And I take the unibars are off our eating list while fighting this? :/
I was so looking forward to ordering that, guess it will have to be in a few months time when my body hopefully is winning the war.



Thanks


Anna: Think I've read about that chi machine somewhere not too long ago.. What do you use it for and have you noticed any good results?




- Glenn


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Sorry, I just don't have the time to read all the posts in this Great Big Thread to find this answer.  I tried, honestly, but I only have a few minutes a day I can spend on my computer.  
Who is Archer?  and.....Where do I find him?  

I'd love a recommendation for a good Candida information site, especially with some clear education such as lists of symptoms and what to expect during die-off.



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Just some good news on candida: eating a leaf of red cabbage after every meal (while on a brief vacation) cleared up nearly all the remaining evidence in two days.  I was able to eat blueberries and a piece of spelt carrot cake with no sign of distress.  I had asked John for his mild sauerkraut recipe again (and am making it tonight), but while away thought I'd just start adding cabbage as "raw material" to the mix.  Amazing results all around.  Since part of what one needs to do is get the little acidophilus critters flourishing (at the expense of others), and cabbage is good for them, I thought I'd give it a try.  Just fyi I had been very diligent on the "no sugar no starch" diet since late July, and was better, but far from fully healed.  For me, the cabbage was nothing short of miraculous in its speed.  For a while I will keep up the overall plan, caprylic acid etc., just adding in a few fruits and yellow vegetables, but just wanted you all to know about and be encouraged to try CABBAGE!  If any moderator would like to link this to other parts of the candida chain, I'd appreciate it.
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Ah, thanks for sharing Elizabeth

I've been skipping cabbage to advantage of the beneficial lettuce romaine, but seems I'll need to start with the cabbage again after all then - which is great, because I kinda love it raw.. Haven't tried red cabbage yet though.. Does it matter if it's green or red cabbage?

And is berries to be avoided when fighting Candida? ..I read somewhere that blueberries was okei, or at least I think I read it.. Maybe not then..

Thanks!


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Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Elizabeth, thanks for that tip. I always load up on the bennies when I'm not feelin' too good, so I'll add this to it. Just had my kohlarabi tonight. I grate it and put it in my salad, but it is really good raw. Put some slices away for tomorrow.  And hubby has some planted in the garden. Hope we don't get an early frost.



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Yes, I had been hitting the romaine and other bennies, and skipping cabbage, but this is clearly a special medicinal use.  I cut out all sugar, starch, fermented anything, and alcohol of any sort when I realized back in July how badly I had a candida overgrowth.  Along the way I tried a serving of blueberries (early August); another day I tried a piece of yeast-free kamut bread.  In both cases, it was clear that the bugs benefitted happily and the rest of me did not, so I went back to a sugar and starch free diet.  Some people may want to take it more slowly (eating some fruit along the way), and type A's must really have a problem getting enough to eat.  I think each journey is unique.  Even as an O it was hard for me to get more than 1000-1200 calories a day and have the food be properly digested (I have needed supplemental HCl for about 10 years, and when I try to skip it or eat too much at once, I tend to have digestive trouble.)  I am now about 15 lbs. lighter, and feel better all around. (Not least because I can reclaim some of my winter clothes.)  I found what I craved was not starch, sugar, or wine but blueberries, sweet potatoes, carrots, raspberries, peaches, apples!  Using ground flax and leicithin (along with meat-chicken-fish and greens) took care of actual hunger--but it was hard to watch fruit season slipping away.  THANK YOU oh wonderful cabbage!  (I don't think it matters red or white, I just happened to have red.)  And thanks to John, for his home-brewed sauerkraut recipe!  A jar is sittting on top of the refrigerator, and it already (overnight) has a good tang.
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Does anyone know if caprylic acid destroys the good bacteria in the stomach? I've read that it breaks apart microbial walls to kill the candida....does it also do this to the good bacteria?
Thank you.


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Caprylic acid does not harm your friendly bacteria (not even the bad bacteria!). It kills yeast/fungi.

Here's a site with great information discussing all the common perceived causes of candida and boiling it down to an endocrine imbalance. Very convincing since it fits me to T!

http://www.candida-society.org.uk/

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I just had a total candida relapse after a year or two in remission.  I am about to DIE!

I bought some caprylic acid and it is not helping me at ALL!!!  I have been taking Solgar, and about 4 caps a day.  Any advice on taking this?  I am falling apart!


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follow the candida protocol....and avoid carbs!!!
eat beneficials ......


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I just had a total candida relapse after a year or two in remission.  I am about to DIE!

I bought some caprylic acid and it is not helping me at ALL!!!  I have been taking Solgar, and about 4 caps a day.  Any advice on taking this?  I am falling apart!


How did you fight it the first time?  What are your symptoms?   I know how terribly depressing it is but you can absolutely beat it.  Hang in there.

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Here's a site with great information discussing all the common perceived causes of candida and boiling it down to an endocrine imbalance. Very convincing since it firs me to T!

http://www.candida-society.org.uk/


Thanks for the link. Interesting read, particularly about APICH syndrome. My endocrine system problems may be tied into candida somehow.



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I was thinking the same thing Don. Glad you read it.

BTW, feeling better from the cold?
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My cold or whatever I had was basically over by the time I realized I had been sick.

That was the good news.  The bad news is my endocrine system problem seems worse now.


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